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Keyes receives fine for past violation
cnn ^ | 10-15-04

Posted on 10/15/2004 9:40:08 AM PDT by LouAvul

SPRINGFIELD, Illinois (AP) -- The Federal Elections Commission fined Alan Keyes' 2000 presidential campaign $23,000 Thursday, and an ethics group filed a new complaint alleging misconduct by his current U.S. Senate campaign.

The FEC found that Keyes took excessive contributions when he sought the Republican presidential nomination in 2000. It ordered him to pay a fine and repay the government $95,302 in public funding that his campaign accepted.

His presidential campaign admitted accepting $168,200 worth of contributions over the individual donation limit, which in 2000 was $1,000 per person. It also acknowledged it had taken at least $15,000 in anonymous contributions, among other violations.

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1 posted on 10/15/2004 9:40:08 AM PDT by LouAvul
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To: LouAvul

Wow, it only took the FEC 4 years to resolve this! Just in time for the election! Always better to release this in October rather than December.


2 posted on 10/15/2004 9:56:02 AM PDT by glorgau
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To: LouAvul
His presidential campaign admitted accepting $168,200 worth of contributions over the individual donation limit, which in 2000 was $1,000 per person. It also acknowledged it had taken at least $15,000 in anonymous contributions, among other violations.

So the 2000 Keyes campaign was a criminal enterprise?

3 posted on 10/15/2004 10:06:36 AM PDT by sinkspur ("If you disagree with me, you are a heretic. " Cardinal Fanfani)
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To: EternalVigilance

Is it only wrong if you get caught? How could you guys not know that anonymous donations are a violation of election law?


4 posted on 10/15/2004 10:09:07 AM PDT by sinkspur ("If you disagree with me, you are a heretic. " Cardinal Fanfani)
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To: LouAvul

You have an interesting posting history.


5 posted on 10/15/2004 10:12:08 AM PDT by TigersEye (Free speech! It's not just for Democrats anymore!)
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To: LouAvul

$10 donation to FR says this thread is going to be pulled before nightfall.


6 posted on 10/15/2004 10:20:44 AM PDT by RedBloodedAmerican
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To: sinkspur; Howlin; Luis Gonzalez
You really expecting an answer?

I am really disappointed in Keyes. I keep trying to drop back and be objective and rally myslef to support him, but he seems to be continually shooting himself in the foot.

So I am done. No doubt they will blame this on me or Bush.

7 posted on 10/15/2004 10:22:51 AM PDT by RedBloodedAmerican
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To: sinkspur; RedBloodedAmerican

Luis got banned for saying stuff just like this article.


8 posted on 10/15/2004 10:25:27 AM PDT by Howlin (Bush has claimed two things which Democrats believe they own by right: the presidency & the future)
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To: Howlin

Yikes.


9 posted on 10/15/2004 10:26:22 AM PDT by RedBloodedAmerican
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To: Howlin

The crickets on this thread from the absence of certain people are deafening.


10 posted on 10/15/2004 10:34:56 AM PDT by sinkspur ("If you disagree with me, you are a heretic. " Cardinal Fanfani)
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To: sinkspur
The crickets on this thread from the absence of certain people are deafening.

If a bear ducks in the woods, does it make a noise?

11 posted on 10/15/2004 10:48:39 AM PDT by Protagoras (When your circus has a big tent, you can fit a lot of clowns inside)
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To: sinkspur
The crickets on this thread from the absence of certain people are deafening.

I don't get it. Why is this thread controversial?

12 posted on 10/15/2004 10:52:03 AM PDT by LouAvul
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To: sinkspur

The most moral and ethical politician in America!

Now watch his supporters attack and blame President Bush's administration for hurting his campaign for Illinois Senator, with the 'suspicious' timing on this.


13 posted on 10/15/2004 10:58:32 AM PDT by Robert_Paulson2 (the madridification of our election is now officially underway.)
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To: RedBloodedAmerican

luis has been banned...

for criticizing Alan...


14 posted on 10/15/2004 10:59:43 AM PDT by Robert_Paulson2 (the madridification of our election is now officially underway.)
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To: LouAvul
I don't get it. Why is this thread controversial?

Well, there are a lot of people here on FR who thinks that Keyes is a saint that can do no wrong. And if anybody dares to criticize Keyes, they get called liberals, RINOs, etc, etc.
15 posted on 10/15/2004 11:02:01 AM PDT by Stone Mountain
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To: LouAvul
I don't get it. Why is this thread controversial?

We are not allowed to say anything negative about Alan Keyes. He's sort of a protected species here.

As someone posted............this thread may get pulled. I agree it shouldn't be controversial but I don't make the rules.

16 posted on 10/15/2004 11:02:48 AM PDT by Southflanknorthpawsis (FR = A pajama party 24/7)
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To: sinkspur

They may have some folks here who are directly or indirectly financial beneficiaries of his 'fund raising' political skills... I doubt much will be said, and believe it not entirely impossible that this thread will be pulled.


17 posted on 10/15/2004 11:07:01 AM PDT by Robert_Paulson2 (the madridification of our election is now officially underway.)
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To: sinkspur
Is it only wrong if you get caught? How could you guys not know that anonymous donations are a violation of election law?

Speaking of "you guys"...

GOP group pays $280,000 campaign fine

Two Republican Committees, Fannie Mae Agree to $132,000 Fine for 'Soft Money'

FEC Levies A Record Penalty [Against German Businessman who contributed to the Florida Republican Party, the National Republican Senatorial Committee, and Republican Sen. Connie Mack]

[Republican] Ferguson to pay $210K fine for violating federal campaign finance laws

GOP agrees to pay fine of $50,000

GOP committee agrees to pay fine in campaign investigation

State GOP to pay fine for misuse of funds

[Republican] Bishop's campaign hit with $7,600 fine

Missouri GOP will pay fine over campaign finance funds

Just for starters.

So the point is... ?

18 posted on 10/15/2004 11:13:29 AM PDT by k2blader (It is neither compassionate nor conservative to support the expansion of socialism.)
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To: k2blader
So the point is... ?

We rabble in the rest of the GOP don't claim to be the reincarnation of Moses.

19 posted on 10/15/2004 11:26:35 AM PDT by sinkspur ("If you disagree with me, you are a heretic. " Cardinal Fanfani)
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To: sinkspur

Somehow I don't think keeping track of the donations will be that big an issue for his Senate campaign.


20 posted on 10/15/2004 11:34:03 AM PDT by SJackson (They're not Americans. They're just journalists, Col George Connell, USMC)
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To: sinkspur

Ever had to deal with the FEC at the presidential level? Me neither, thank God. I'd rather chew broken glass.

FEC requirements for presidential campaigns are an ever-evolving morass of interpretations and constantly shifting mountains of paperwork. What they tell you they require this week may, and often does, bear no relationship with what they decide they require next week. They make an IRS audit look like child's play.

At one point I remember that the Clinton and the Dole campaigns were told by the FEC that they owed them millions....Dole over 17 million. Did they ever have to pony all of that up? Do you know?


21 posted on 10/15/2004 11:37:58 AM PDT by EternalVigilance (Defeatists Suck)
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To: LouAvul

Having just read the article, it brought to mind a question I've wondered about before. What happens if you receive anonymous donations? Surely there are rules if you get an envelope with cash in it. Anyone know what they are?


22 posted on 10/15/2004 11:49:28 AM PDT by OHelix
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To: EternalVigilance

Why not just answer the question regarding YOUR candidate, rather than trying to smear Bob Dole.


23 posted on 10/15/2004 11:52:00 AM PDT by Howlin (Bush has claimed two things which Democrats believe they own by right: the presidency & the future)
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To: Howlin
Why not just answer the question regarding YOUR candidate, rather than trying to smear Bob Dole.

Please offer the Senator proper respect. That would be The RINO Bob Dole.

24 posted on 10/15/2004 11:53:48 AM PDT by SJackson (They're not Americans. They're just journalists, Col George Connell, USMC)
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To: SJackson

LOL


25 posted on 10/15/2004 11:55:30 AM PDT by Republican Wildcat
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To: OHelix

There is a limit on it...supposedly they exceeded.


26 posted on 10/15/2004 11:57:13 AM PDT by Republican Wildcat
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To: Howlin
Howlin, PLEASE... smearing Bob Dole??? :oP
27 posted on 10/15/2004 11:58:20 AM PDT by OHelix
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To: Robert_Paulson2

His homepage doesn't show him banned.

http://www.freerepublic.com/~luisgonzalez/index?U=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.freerepublic.com%2Ffocus%2Ff-news%2F1246138%2Fpostshttp://www.freerepublic.com/~luisgonzalez/index?U=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.freerepublic.com%2Ffocus%2Ff-news%2F1246138%2Fposts


28 posted on 10/15/2004 11:59:27 AM PDT by Fatalis (The Libertarian Party is to politics as Esperanto is to linguistics.)
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To: OHelix

I think you got my point: address THESE charges rather than point a finger and say "They all do it."


29 posted on 10/15/2004 12:00:30 PM PDT by Howlin (Bush has claimed two things which Democrats believe they own by right: the presidency & the future)
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To: Republican Wildcat

What I'm wondering is, you get this money that's against the rules... WHAT DO YOU DO WITH IT??? You can't RETURN it, it's ANONYMOUS... ???

Do you burn it? Hand it over to the Feds? Donate it to a charity? Tell everyone in the office "Working Lunch Today!"???


30 posted on 10/15/2004 12:02:43 PM PDT by OHelix
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To: Howlin

Knowing what I do know about the FEC quagmire, I'm impressed that this was all there was.

Bush, Dole, Clinton, Gore, Kerry et al all have legions of lawyers and accountants that deal with this stuff, and still have major problems. They have the combined resources of a major party apparatus at their disposal.

The Keyes campaign in 2000 was a conservative grassroots campaign that operated on a tiny fraction of the financial and human resources that other campaigns run on. In my opinion, the good people that waded through it all are to be commended.

And I wasn't 'smearing' Bob Dole. I was simply pointing out reality. I know it is a reality you don't want to admit to, but oh well.


31 posted on 10/15/2004 12:06:13 PM PDT by EternalVigilance (Defeatists Suck)
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To: EternalVigilance
$168,200 worth of contributions over the individual donation limit

And the grassroots missed this HOW?

32 posted on 10/15/2004 12:07:41 PM PDT by Howlin (Bush has claimed two things which Democrats believe they own by right: the presidency & the future)
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To: EternalVigilance

First, everyone, I just checked and Luis' profile is showing that he's not banned. He may have been told to cool it, but that's all.

Second, what happened in the Keyes campaign in 2000 (and this was before EV came on to the campaign formally, I remember reading articles on this back then) was the result of honest mistakes by the citizen volunteers that staffed the Keyes campaign. The person who was the Grassroots Coordinator was quoted as saying that the FEC regs made the IRS look simple and understandable.


33 posted on 10/15/2004 12:07:47 PM PDT by Keyes2000mt (John Kerry: The Wrong Candidate, for the Wrong Office, at the Wrong Time)
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To: Howlin
And the grassroots missed this HOW?

Care to clarify that question?

34 posted on 10/15/2004 12:10:08 PM PDT by EternalVigilance (Defeatists Suck)
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To: LouAvul
Accounting irregularities by an overworked staff can happen in the rush and turmoil of any campaign, particularly with a candidate like Keyes, for whom the message is all that matters.

Money is probably the furthest thing from his mind.

35 posted on 10/15/2004 12:10:37 PM PDT by Scenic Sounds (Sí, estamos libres sonreír otra vez - ahora y siempre.)
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To: EternalVigilance

If you need it clarified, perhaps you're part of the problem.


36 posted on 10/15/2004 12:11:11 PM PDT by Howlin (Bush has claimed two things which Democrats believe they own by right: the presidency & the future)
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To: All
You can help!

37 posted on 10/15/2004 12:12:09 PM PDT by Scenic Sounds (Sí, estamos libres sonreír otra vez - ahora y siempre.)
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To: LouAvul

Take out your checkbooks.


38 posted on 10/15/2004 12:12:20 PM PDT by pete anderson
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To: Howlin

Yes, I did get your point. Just teasing you a little at Bob's expense.

I certainly agree that the "we all do it" defense is tactic of distraction, not a credible defense... Although I don't think the list was meant so much as a defense of Keyes but rather as an indictment of double-standard/hypocrisy (maybe that's not the best word but something like that) on behalf of the Keyes' bashers jumping on the report as if it's a stake in Keyes' heart, when they clearly dismiss similar allegations regarding people they approve of.


39 posted on 10/15/2004 12:13:16 PM PDT by OHelix
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To: Howlin
If you need it clarified, perhaps you're part of the problem.

Or perhaps it was a silly, meaningless question...

40 posted on 10/15/2004 12:13:48 PM PDT by EternalVigilance (Defeatists Suck)
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To: LouAvul

Dr. Keyes is fine by me, boy. Why doesn't Obama just concede now and avoid the public embarrassment?


41 posted on 10/15/2004 12:14:16 PM PDT by asgardshill (Got a lump of coal? Tell Mary Mapes to 'shove it' - in 2 weeks you'll have a diamond.)
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To: sinkspur
The crickets on this thread from the absence of certain people are deafening.

Maybe they are silent beause they realize how "progressive,'freedom-loving?',neo-conservatives",will attack with a flurry of supercilious,snide and sarcastic remarks and there is no point in wasting the time trying to defend something that at "face value" can be construed as wrong. It is too complicated and complex to even try to sort out,since truth doesn't matter to the enemies of Keyes anyway.

Face it sinkspur,most of the Keyes supporters are brighter,more genuine and more honest than the opposition. They are also more idealistic which just sets some pragmatists into a fury.

FYI There are about six topics that will trigger the usual sharks to unite and attack.

42 posted on 10/15/2004 12:20:04 PM PDT by saradippity
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Face it sinkspur,most of the Keyes supporters are brighter,more genuine and more honest than the opposition.

So they constantly remind me.

Let me guess. You're a Keyes supporter.

43 posted on 10/15/2004 12:24:21 PM PDT by sinkspur ("If you disagree with me, you are a heretic. " Cardinal Fanfani)
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To: sinkspur

And modest, too!


44 posted on 10/15/2004 12:25:39 PM PDT by Howlin (Bush has claimed two things which Democrats believe they own by right: the presidency & the future)
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To: sinkspur

Why don't we just make a chart, that shows who always praises Keyes in one column, verses who always derides him in the other, and post it at the start of all the Keyes threads just so everyone can know where everyone else is coming from. :o)


45 posted on 10/15/2004 12:30:58 PM PDT by OHelix
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To: saradippity; sinkspur
The crickets on this thread from the absence of certain people are deafening

Maybe they are silent beause they realize how "progressive,'freedom-loving?',neo-conservatives",will attack with a flurry of supercilious,snide and sarcastic remarks and there is no point in wasting the time trying to defend something that at "face value" can be construed as wrong. It is too complicated and complex to even try to sort out,since truth doesn't matter to the enemies of Keyes anyway.

Face it sinkspur,most of the Keyes supporters are brighter,more genuine and more honest than the opposition. They are also more idealistic which just sets some pragmatists into a fury.

FYI There are about six topics that will trigger the usual sharks to unite and attack.

………

Yeah, the Keyes supporters are better to their pets too. brighter,more genuine and more honest , classic Democratic talking point.

Actually it’s not such a difficult question to answer. He took in over $15 million in 2000, over $8 million from individuals. I’m not sure an error rate of 1% to 2% is that far out of line for a non-professional campaign.

But that’s too simple. Since the beginning of his candidacy the Keyes campaigners have taken as much joy in bashing Republicans, those nasty girlie men RINOs, as they do in bashing Democrats.

It’s all good fun you know.

46 posted on 10/15/2004 12:32:29 PM PDT by SJackson (They're not Americans. They're just journalists, Col George Connell, USMC)
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To: SJackson
"Since the beginning of his candidacy the Keyes campaigners have taken as much joy in bashing Republicans, those nasty girlie men RINOs, as they do in bashing Democrats.

I wonder if the word "bashing" is maybe too strong a word. Keyes doesn't really strike me as a "Basher", although I could believe people in his campaign could be.

47 posted on 10/15/2004 12:39:54 PM PDT by OHelix
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To: OHelix
I'd agree, that's why I said Keyes campaigners rather than Keyes, though some of his comments on sinners and Jesus's voting preferences have the potential to drive abay Dem's and Independents.
48 posted on 10/15/2004 12:44:36 PM PDT by SJackson (They're not Americans. They're just journalists, Col George Connell, USMC)
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To: SJackson
Actually it’s not such a difficult question to answer. He took in over $15 million in 2000, over $8 million from individuals. I’m not sure an error rate of 1% to 2% is that far out of line for a non-professional campaign.

You summed it up well. Better than I did, in fact. Nice job.

49 posted on 10/15/2004 12:48:33 PM PDT by EternalVigilance (Defeatists Suck)
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