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The FairTax: A Trojan Horse for America?
JPFO ^ | 10/15/04 | Claire Wolfe & Aaron Zelman

Posted on 10/15/2004 4:35:45 PM PDT by tpaine

Why is this article coming from a gun-rights group?

Jews for the Preservation of Firearms Ownership (of which one of the co-authors is executive director) is a Second Amendment educational foundation, not an economic think tank. So why is this article coming from us?

Two reasons. One: The tax will be used to attack and limit gun ownership;
Two, it's bad for freedom, and what's bad for freedom is bad for all gun owners.

It is painfully obvious to anyone who observes the tactics of the federal government (and the lobbying groups that buzz around it like flies) that a national sales tax will be used to attack gun ownership. Already, under the planned tax, anyone who wants to buy an imported firearm like a Glock or a SIG Sauer may have to pay 30 percent more than any American equivalent. But the ardent, and persistent gun prohibitionists in Congress – people like Hillary Clinton, Charles Schumer, Dianne Feinstein, Caroline McCarthy, and John Kerry – will never be content with that.

Do you want to see a 500 percent tax on firearms? A 1,000 percent tax on ammunition? A 200 percent tax on targets, smokeless powder, camouflage clothing, and knives? Then tell your Congressperson you want a national sales tax. Our second reason is that, as horrible as the IRS and the income tax are, the FairTax proposal is even worse for freedom.

Particularly worrying is the plan to put every single American household on federal welfare. Many households will become desperately dependent on government payments to help them survive the higher price of food, clothing, transportation, health care, and shelter. Wealthier people will simply see their monthly handout as an entitlement, a bonus – fun money to help fund their spending sprees.

Either way, a direct payment from the federal government each month will make people less inclined to protest injustice, less inclined to make waves, even when waves are seriously needed. Because people won't want to risk losing their monthly "freebie," they'll be less inclined to look critically upon the government – and more inclined to oppose anybody who threatens to cut off their monthly handout.

It's all a matter of perception; in all too many cases, people are going to view their $500 freebies as being more important than the even higher – but incrementally smaller – amounts they pay out in sales taxes day by day. They'll say (as so many do with government handouts now), "I'm entitled. After all, I'm only getting my own money back."

And besides, millions of households will be happily gaming the system – collecting their monthly handouts while buying tax-free goods on the black market. Big government will have achieved its ultimate dream: Citizens will like higher taxes.

In the end, as tyranny tightens its iron grip, Americans will be less inclined to bite the fist that they believe feeds them – even if they're actually paying more in taxes than they do now. All they'll see is that freedom might threaten their government payment. And since fewer will be able to buy guns, even those who want to fight a future tyrant will have a harder time doing so. Some time ago, we wrote an article claiming that gun-rights and Social Security couldn't co-exist in the long run (http://www.jpfo.org/ssandguns.htm). We'll go further now and add that gun-rights and a national sales tax cannot and will not co-exist in the long run.

We sincerely hope we're wrong. But from where we stand, the conclusion seems inescapable: Imposition of a national sales tax will inflict the same kind of long-term damage to American society that was earlier inflicted by imposition of the income tax, the adoption of fiat currency, and life-consuming programs like the New Deal and the Great Society. And it will be coming at a time when America's fiscal health is already too shaky to absorb one more such blow.

What type of tax do we propose instead?

Now comes the moment where we're supposed to propose our alternative. "Be constructive," someone will demand. "If you don't like their proposal, what have you got to offer that's better?"

Here's our alternative: Nothing.

Ban the income tax, definitely. Banish it. Disband the Internal Revenue Service and auction their buildings to the highest bidder. Let all the IRS auditors, clerks, and armed enforcers get honest jobs. But don't replace the income tax with any tax, of any variety.

The United States survived until 1913 without an income tax. It survived until World War II without wage withholding (a federal trick "for the duration of the war" that increased tax collections enormously). The income tax has enabled and encouraged wild governmental spending sprees. And irony of ironies, the federal government has now gotten so drunk on reckless spending and its attendant debt that (5) an amount equivalent to all the income taxes collected west of the Mississippi River accomplishes nothing but helping pay the interest on that debt! You pay and pay and you're not even getting government services for your money. Just paying off debt that should never have been incurred – and probably wouldn't have been incurred if Americans hadn't been forced to hand over so much money to government.

If you want smaller government, then don't spend your time thinking of "better" ways to feed big government. If you want freedom, don't fall for ploys that simply enable to government to find new routes into your pocket and your life.

If you want to tame the beast of tyranny – starve it into submission. Ban the income tax. Trash the unFairTax. And put the government back on a leash.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism
KEYWORDS: bang; fairtax; sillytalk; taxes; taxreform
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"Here's our alternative: Nothing."

And nothing is what you'll get. Nothing ventured, nothing gained. The income tax/social security system doesn't work. The 'fair tax' scheme could work, if it is made part of a Constitutional Amendment with appropriate limitations on government powers to 'regulate' it.

Ban the income tax, definitely. Banish it. Disband the Internal Revenue Service and auction their buildings to the highest bidder. Let all the IRS auditors, clerks, and armed enforcers get honest jobs.

Absolutely. I think everyone in America could agree on that point.

But don't replace the income tax with any tax, of any variety.

Pipe dream. Get Real.

The United States survived until 1913 without an income tax. It survived until World War II without wage withholding (a federal trick "for the duration of the war" that increased tax collections enormously). The income tax has enabled and encouraged wild governmental spending sprees. And irony of ironies, the federal government has now gotten so drunk on reckless spending and its attendant debt that (5) an amount equivalent to all the income taxes collected west of the Mississippi River accomplishes nothing but helping pay the interest on that debt! You pay and pay and you're not even getting government services for your money. Just paying off debt that should never have been incurred – and probably wouldn't have been incurred if Americans hadn't been forced to hand over so much money to government.
If you want smaller government, then don't spend your time thinking of "better" ways to feed big government. If you want freedom, don't fall for ploys that simply enable to government to find new routes into your pocket and your life.
If you want to tame the beast of tyranny – starve it into submission. Ban the income tax.

Nice rant, but it doesn't lead to your next conclusion:

Trash the unFairTax.
And put the government back on a leash.

We all want them leashed. -- But -- :

The Fair Tax plan, if Constitutionally safeguarded & phased in, could end our current tax/social security mess in a decade or so, imo.
I'm a little amazed at the trashing/bashing attitude of this article.

I couldn't find the real reasoning [long original article] on why this idea is opposed so vehemently. Can anyone point out something definite through all the hype?

1 posted on 10/15/2004 4:35:45 PM PDT by tpaine
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To: tpaine

already posted and disected here:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1245088/posts


3 posted on 10/15/2004 4:42:07 PM PDT by rolling_stone
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To: tpaine

I think they are making the point, if you think social engineering is bad under the income tax, wait until the sales tax is in place. Once the Dems get into power, they can cherry pick the items they don't like and place an extrodinary high tax on it. Liberals will no longer have to ban items, they can tax them out of existance.


4 posted on 10/15/2004 4:42:24 PM PDT by Always Right
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To: tpaine

I think I'm unique on FR because I believe that the "Fair Tax" will result in the criminalization of cash transactions.


6 posted on 10/15/2004 4:43:18 PM PDT by snopercod (I'm on the "democrat diet". I only eat when the democrats say something good about America.)
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I am not a fan of the fair tax either. I think their claims are grossly exaggerated.
7 posted on 10/15/2004 4:46:23 PM PDT by Always Right
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To: MikeAbboud

A Constitutional Amendment authorizing the 'Fair Tax' scheme could also solve the State sales tax 'problem'.

The idea would supposedly have a fed tax of 23%. We could limit State/local taxes to 7%, and end ALL of the mess.


8 posted on 10/15/2004 4:53:10 PM PDT by tpaine (No man has a natural right to commit aggression on the equal rights of another. - T. Jefferson)
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To: Always Right
Always Right wrote:

I think they are making the point, if you think social engineering is bad under the income tax, wait until the sales tax is in place.

Social engineering wold be impossible if the Fair Tax regs were protected by Constitutional resrictions.

9 posted on 10/15/2004 5:08:42 PM PDT by tpaine (No man has a natural right to commit aggression on the equal rights of another. - T. Jefferson)
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Social engineering wold be impossible if the Fair Tax regs were protected by Constitutional resrictions.

Haven't seen anyone propose that Constitutional Amendment yet as part of the fair tax, and it is unlikely that it would pass.

10 posted on 10/15/2004 5:10:13 PM PDT by Always Right
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To: snopercod

I don't see how 'outlawing cash' could be done under our Constitution.

Wanna explain?


11 posted on 10/15/2004 5:11:46 PM PDT by tpaine (No man has a natural right to commit aggression on the equal rights of another. - T. Jefferson)
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To: tpaine

FDR outlawed gold, besides money is already unconstitutionally controlled by the Fed.


12 posted on 10/15/2004 5:15:29 PM PDT by Always Right
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To: Always Right
Always Right wrote:

Haven't seen anyone propose that Constitutional Amendment yet as part of the fair tax, and it is unlikely that it would pass.

Backwards. It would never pass without repealing the income tax. It's common sense to do both in one Amendment.

13 posted on 10/15/2004 5:16:26 PM PDT by tpaine (No man has a natural right to commit aggression on the equal rights of another. - T. Jefferson)
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To: tpaine

I still haven't seen any proposal to even do such a thing?


14 posted on 10/15/2004 5:19:33 PM PDT by Always Right
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To: Always Right

FDR 'outlawed' using our gold coins as money. You could still own all the gold you pleased.

You have a very naive outlook on the real power of our government. They only control money because we let them.


15 posted on 10/15/2004 5:23:42 PM PDT by tpaine (No man has a natural right to commit aggression on the equal rights of another. - T. Jefferson)
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To: Always Right

I suggest you read more on the issue.


16 posted on 10/15/2004 5:24:44 PM PDT by tpaine (No man has a natural right to commit aggression on the equal rights of another. - T. Jefferson)
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To: tpaine

I have read enough on this issue. I have read every bill they have proposed.


17 posted on 10/15/2004 5:25:12 PM PDT by Always Right
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To: Always Right

So? No one has proposed a Constitutional Amendment. -- Yet.

When, and if this is done we may finally see some action to end this income tax insanity.




18 posted on 10/15/2004 5:29:24 PM PDT by tpaine (No man has a natural right to commit aggression on the equal rights of another. - T. Jefferson)
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To: tpaine

FAIR TAX IS NOT A VAT TAX.
PRESIDENT BUSH WILL NOT RE_START THE DRAFT.
LITTLE OLD LADIES ON SOCIAL SECURITY WILL NOT HAVE TO EAT CAT FOOD.

All caps were on purpose, anybody that dislikes that fact can line up behind me, take a number and KMA


19 posted on 10/15/2004 5:46:05 PM PDT by TexasTransplant ((I made my Fortune selling Sugar Coated Cat Turds on a Stick at the DNC Convention ))
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To: MikeAbboud

VAT and retail sales tax are quite different.


20 posted on 10/15/2004 5:55:15 PM PDT by xjcsa ("Everything matters if anything matters at all")
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