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What to make of this????
Reuters ^

Posted on 10/16/2004 5:26:01 PM PDT by Seeking to remain informed

RE: Flu vaccine


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: bioterrorism; flu; fluvaccine; vaccine
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An excerpt of the above mentioned article by Reuters regarding the cancellation of the flu vaccine: ...FDA inspectors have determined that Chiron's entire manufacturing process for the vaccine was unsafe and they have rejected all of the 48-odd million doses at the facility...Chiron found and reported contamination with a bacteria called Serratia, but had hoped to correct the problem in time to save most of the vaccine production. The FreeDictionary.com gives a definition of Serratia marcescens as: the type species of the genus Serratia; a species found in water and soil and milk and foods and insects; can cause infections of the endocardium and blood and wounds and urinary tract and respiratory tract; has been tested as a bioweapon. What do we make of this???
1 posted on 10/16/2004 5:26:01 PM PDT by Seeking to remain informed
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To: Seeking to remain informed
Well it is fairly simple. The Flu Vaccine was contaminated.
2 posted on 10/16/2004 5:27:46 PM PDT by Texasforever (Kerry has more positions on Iraq than the Kama Sutra)
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To: Seeking to remain informed

 


3 posted on 10/16/2004 5:27:51 PM PDT by Fintan (Oh...Am I supposed to read the article???)
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To: Seeking to remain informed

Well first off don't think i'll be mainlining any of that vaccine!


4 posted on 10/16/2004 5:27:59 PM PDT by traderrob6
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To: Seeking to remain informed
Thanks for looking that up. I had intended to research Serratia but didn't get around to it.
5 posted on 10/16/2004 5:28:06 PM PDT by steve86
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To: Seeking to remain informed

I'm I gonna need tin-foil for this thread? :->


6 posted on 10/16/2004 5:28:45 PM PDT by AZamericonnie (I'm out of my mind, but feel free to leave a message...)
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To: traderrob6
Well first off don't think i'll be mainlining any of that vaccine!

We are all going to die of the flu and it is all Bush's fault.

7 posted on 10/16/2004 5:29:24 PM PDT by Texasforever (Kerry has more positions on Iraq than the Kama Sutra)
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To: Seeking to remain informed

Jacques Al-Qerry blamed Bush for the "Flu Vaccine Crisis", today in a speech. The possibilty of tampering never entered his mind.


8 posted on 10/16/2004 5:29:27 PM PDT by cardinal4 (John Kerry- "A Hamster Tale..")
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To: Seeking to remain informed
Humorously, gently chiding here......"what we can make of it" is that you need a refresher course in headline writing..
9 posted on 10/16/2004 5:29:35 PM PDT by ken5050
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To: Fintan

LOL!

Remember, if the grass grows too fast, it's Bush's fault.


10 posted on 10/16/2004 5:29:38 PM PDT by BlindGuardian ("You'll pay for this Captain Planet!")
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To: Seeking to remain informed

I don't think that you should consider this bioterrorism. Although S. marcescans can be an obligate pathogen, it is doubtful that it would be used to contaminate the flu vaccine.


11 posted on 10/16/2004 5:29:53 PM PDT by Misplaced Texan
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To: Seeking to remain informed

If true, it certainly lends support to Bush's argument against allowing the free flow of drugs from Canada. It also takes the wind out of Kerry's sails to the extent he's grasping at straws to somehow blame the President for the shortage. Sounds like Bush's explanation in the third debate was balls-on accurate.


12 posted on 10/16/2004 5:30:50 PM PDT by CaptainVictory
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To: cardinal4

OK fine....let's all see that he's elected so we can continue to beat up on him about it


13 posted on 10/16/2004 5:30:56 PM PDT by traderrob6
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To: Seeking to remain informed; the_doc; Calpernia
Serratia...has been tested as a bioweapon.

Thanks for this information. Very troubling.

14 posted on 10/16/2004 5:31:49 PM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg (John Kerry is a GirlyManchurian Candidate.)
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To: Fintan
"It's Bush's Fault"


Thank you for giving us the official Kerry Campaign response to the contaminated Flu Vaccine issue.

Note to Kerry, "A plan is more the a litany of complaints"
15 posted on 10/16/2004 5:32:02 PM PDT by MNJohnnie (Vote Bush 2004-We cannot survive a 9-10 President in a 9-11 World)
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To: BlindGuardian

LOL!

Remember, if the grass grows too fast, it's Bush's fault.



It's rain and cold here. Is that Bush's fault too?


16 posted on 10/16/2004 5:32:56 PM PDT by MNJohnnie (Vote Bush 2004-We cannot survive a 9-10 President in a 9-11 World)
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To: Texasforever
I realize they were contaminated - I was refering to the last line that read..tested as a bioweapon.
17 posted on 10/16/2004 5:34:18 PM PDT by Seeking to remain informed
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To: CaptainVictory

Actually Ws argument in the debates was totally accurate. The blood sucking tort lawyers have basically sued vaccine maufacturers out of the country. You can't afford to make it here in the US because you can't make a high enough profit % to pay for your liability insurance


18 posted on 10/16/2004 5:35:29 PM PDT by traderrob6
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To: Seeking to remain informed
What do I make of this? Well we should never have forced vaccine manufacturers to sell vaccines at a price where they could never make a profit or break even. People need to realize that legislation, over-regulation, frivolous lawsuits, and confiscatory tax-codes forces a change in behavior. Our manufacturers where in a position that they stopped making the vaccines and we were force to go overseas for them. Let's predict a pattern...if we buy too many pharmaceuticals overseas, US drug companies may stop manufacturing them. Let's not be too quick for the "Canadian" option.
19 posted on 10/16/2004 5:36:31 PM PDT by SERKIT ("Blazing Saddles" explains it all.....)
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To: MNJohnnie

OH MY GOSH!
It's ALWAYS Bush's fault!


20 posted on 10/16/2004 5:38:31 PM PDT by BlindGuardian ("You'll pay for this Captain Planet!")
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To: Seeking to remain informed

I clicked on the Reuters link at the top of the page and read the story -- and then saw a link on their web page to a story "Pfizer links Bextra, some heart problems" -- but the link said "This story not available". I'd be interested in pursuing that story since I take Bextra. (I'm also aware of the recent Vioxx controversy.)


21 posted on 10/16/2004 5:39:35 PM PDT by Ciexyz (At his first crisis, "President" Kerry will sail his Swiftboat to safety, then call Teddy.)
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To: Ciexyz

Knocked the crap outta my Merck stock i don't mind tellin ya


22 posted on 10/16/2004 5:40:45 PM PDT by traderrob6
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To: Seeking to remain informed
What SHOULD we make of it?

If the procedures were faulty, the vaccine could have killed far more people than the illness. Are you suspecting a deliberate tainting of the supply? That's a little too far out for me...

23 posted on 10/16/2004 5:43:05 PM PDT by atomicpossum (If there are two Americas, John Edwards isn't qualified to lead either of them.)
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To: Seeking to remain informed
From Reuters -- "Crawford said whatever went wrong apparently affected everything Chiron made at the plant, which the California-based company acquired when it bought a British company called PowderJect."
24 posted on 10/16/2004 5:47:55 PM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg (John Kerry is a GirlyManchurian Candidate.)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg
Now it comes back after Googling...involved in those under-contact lens keratitis infections among other things: meningitis, sepsis, urinary tract, respiratory and soft tissue infections following surgery or trauma.

In 1819, Bartolomeo Bizio, a pharmacist from Padua, Italy, discovered and named S marcescens when he identified the bacterium as the cause of a miraculous bloody discoloration in a cornmeal mush called polenta. Bizio named Serratia in honor of an Italian physicist named Serrati, who invented the steamboat, and Bizio chose marcescens from the Latin word for decaying because the bloody pigment was found to deteriorate quickly.

25 posted on 10/16/2004 5:47:55 PM PDT by steve86
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To: Seeking to remain informed


I saw a clip of a new sKerry add yesterday that was blaming the president about the flu vaccine problems. I think that the dims are hoping that this issue will have some traction. Hopefully people are smart enough to know the truth.


26 posted on 10/16/2004 5:51:56 PM PDT by AllieOop
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To: Seeking to remain informed
"Serratia marcescens"

The article only gave the Genus Serratia, not the species. The presence of this indicates the outfit wasn't to particular about sterility. The fact the plant was closed, license suspended and all the doses were rejected as probably contaminated, supports that. Looks like the vaccine was produced by slobs that probably sneezed in the pot.

27 posted on 10/16/2004 5:54:05 PM PDT by spunkets
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To: Seeking to remain informed

I think that we can assume that the products of companies in countries who have socialized medicine are going to be substandard.


28 posted on 10/16/2004 5:54:59 PM PDT by Family Guy (I disagree with what you said, but I'll defend to the death your right to shut up.)
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To: spunkets
Marcescens identifies the species as I understand it.
29 posted on 10/16/2004 5:56:07 PM PDT by steve86
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To: Admin Moderator

Please add [Contaminated Flu Vaccine] to the thread title.


30 posted on 10/16/2004 5:58:57 PM PDT by steve86
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To: spunkets
The article only gave the Genus Serratia, not the species.

I see what you are saying: the poster may have added the species.

31 posted on 10/16/2004 6:01:38 PM PDT by steve86
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To: BlindGuardian

"OH MY GOSH!
It's ALWAYS Bush's fault!"

Well yeah, we don't have Nixon to kick around anymore. Actully I think it's all sKerry's fault. If he'd been in his seat in the Senate and voting, none of this stuff would happen.

'cuse me, I don't feel well...


32 posted on 10/16/2004 6:03:09 PM PDT by Oreo Kookey (How, indeed, do we click our tongues at be-headings and look the other way from abortion? I weep.)
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To: Seeking to remain informed; BearWash

Check out this link, "Mail Handling in the Age of Bioterrorism," which lists Serratia marcescens among the goodies --

http://www.freelabs.com/~whitis/biosafety/mail_handling.html


33 posted on 10/16/2004 6:05:26 PM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg (John Kerry is a GirlyManchurian Candidate.)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg

That web page is quite the compendium!


34 posted on 10/16/2004 6:07:36 PM PDT by steve86
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To: Texasforever

Just keep a lot of anti-bacterial soap or dish liquid around and wash your hands often, and you won't get sick..Use lysol on doorknobs and other places where people touch often.


35 posted on 10/16/2004 6:11:50 PM PDT by Kackikat
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To: Kackikat
Just keep a lot of anti-bacterial soap or dish liquid around and wash your hands often, and you won't get sick..

Not bad advice, but you might have to add DON'T BREATHE to that list to get full protection.

BTW, I've developed a really nasty sensitization to the Triclosan in those anti-bacterial soaps: Even if immediately rinsed off it causes deeps cracks and dermatitis on my fingers. I really do think it is overused.

36 posted on 10/16/2004 6:17:12 PM PDT by steve86
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To: BearWash

There are some good ones that skin doctors recommend, check into it....and use lots of cream to prevent drying. But PLEASE do breathe, that is necessary, LOL


37 posted on 10/16/2004 6:21:05 PM PDT by Kackikat
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To: Judith Anne; Domestic Church

Ping


38 posted on 10/16/2004 6:23:52 PM PDT by steve86
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To: AllieOop
Hopefully people are smart enough to know the truth

Exhibit A: Bill Clinton, elected twice. Case closed. A majority of Americans are morons.

39 posted on 10/16/2004 6:26:07 PM PDT by gnawbone
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To: BlindGuardian
Remember, if the grass grows too fast, it's Bush's fault.

But crab grass, well...crab grass has Kerry written all over it.

40 posted on 10/16/2004 6:26:13 PM PDT by grellis (Synchronize watches!!!)
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To: gnawbone

Make that a plurality of Americans are morons. Clinton never got that magic 50% +1.


41 posted on 10/16/2004 6:28:40 PM PDT by gnawbone
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To: BearWash

Next time you find yourself buying soap, look at the ingredients in Ivory. I think its the only hand soap out there which doesn't contain any antibacterials.


42 posted on 10/16/2004 6:30:23 PM PDT by grellis (Synchronize watches!!!)
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To: grellis

I'll do that, thanks. It has been getting harder and harder to find straight hand soap. I've had to buy "body wash" and stuff in a pinch.


43 posted on 10/16/2004 6:35:47 PM PDT by steve86
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To: BearWash

Just got my flu shot today;)


44 posted on 10/16/2004 6:39:25 PM PDT by Domestic Church (AMDG...)
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To: Ciexyz
"I clicked on the Reuters link at the top of the page and read the story -- and then saw a link on their web page to a story "Pfizer links Bextra, some heart problems" -- but the link said "This story not available". I'd be interested in pursuing that story since I take Bextra. (I'm also aware of the recent Vioxx controversy.)

I saw this in a google scan:

http://olympics.reuters.com/newsArticle.jhtml?type=healthNews&storyID=6517102

It seems to be connected with those who have had 'by-pass'. I was interested, too, as I MIGHT be put on it.

45 posted on 10/16/2004 6:46:08 PM PDT by Exit148 (Founder of the Loose Change Club. Every nickle and dime counts!!)
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To: MNJohnnie

Rain and cold? Yes. Definitely Bush's fault.

So was my daughter's car wreck today. (she's fine)

President Bush is a very powerful man.


46 posted on 10/16/2004 6:50:54 PM PDT by texasflower (Liberty can change habits. ~ President George W. Bush 10/08/04)
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To: All
My MD suggested gargling with Listerine a couple of times a day, to wash off supermarket-cart handles, to wash hands after using a menu and touching door knobs. Don't forget money!

I keep Purell hand sanitizer around and in the car. It's pure alcohol and will probably kill anything! Easy to use and dries almost instantly.

Now, I hold my breath when I pass people who cough!! LOL! What did we ever do before the 'flu-shot era'?

47 posted on 10/16/2004 6:53:02 PM PDT by Exit148 (Founder of the Loose Change Club. Every nickle and dime counts!!)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg

If you have ever seen a pinkish growth in any damp dark place, it is Serratia. It's everwhere.


48 posted on 10/16/2004 6:53:36 PM PDT by TASMANIANRED (What did Kerry know and when did he know it?)
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To: Seeking to remain informed
What? You don't say! The Feds have banned the cat's vaccine?


49 posted on 10/16/2004 6:54:44 PM PDT by Revolting cat! ("In the end, nothing explains anything!")
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To: TASMANIANRED

And interestingly enough, common micanozole nitrate (itchy pitooey cream) will stop it withing two to three days on the skin.


50 posted on 10/16/2004 6:58:34 PM PDT by MHGinTN (If you can read this, you've had life support from someone. Promote life support for others.)
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