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Police Called When Crowd Of 600 Gets Unruly Waiting For Flu Shots
http://www.wkmg.com ^ | October 17, 2004 | The Associated Press

Posted on 10/17/2004 10:13:00 AM PDT by sheikdetailfeather

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To: sheikdetailfeather

It's the media who's inciting the panic.


51 posted on 10/17/2004 10:43:58 AM PDT by primeval patriot (I'll stay in cowtown, I'll stick around)
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To: sheikdetailfeather
What is it with these flu shots? I have never had a flu shot. I get maybe one cold a year. I can't remember the last time I had a full-blown flu.

Why has it become so necessary for healthy American adults to get one? Go without and if you catch a cold/flu, deal with it!!!

I can understand for the elderly, but for the rest of us?

Does anyone know whether one of the larger group of recipients are HIV positive people? Or do they not get flu vaccines at all?
52 posted on 10/17/2004 10:44:52 AM PDT by Ghost of Philip Marlowe (I'm fresh out of tags. I'll pick some up tomorrow.)
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To: ArmyBratCutie

I washing my hands of this whole mess !.........:o)


53 posted on 10/17/2004 10:47:44 AM PDT by Squantos (Be polite. Be professional. But, have a plan to kill everyone you meet. )
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To: nhoward14

Strange Days. A mighty fortress (lower case) is the FreeRepublic...


54 posted on 10/17/2004 10:48:42 AM PDT by Calusa (One Nation Gone Under.)
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To: HungarianGypsy

I've wondered that, too. We should try to get photos of the people so desperately waiting for flu shots. I'm sure there will be a lot of the same crowd weeping after Nov. 2 that they just couldn't figure out the ballots, or that some Republican at the poll intimidated them not to vote.

It's a COLD for crying out loud!! Get over it.
You'd think it was the middle of the desert after 30 days and they were rationing out a ladle full of water.


55 posted on 10/17/2004 10:48:48 AM PDT by Ghost of Philip Marlowe (I'm fresh out of tags. I'll pick some up tomorrow.)
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To: Squantos

hehehe


56 posted on 10/17/2004 10:50:41 AM PDT by ArmyBratCutie ("Four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:soap, ballot, jury, ammo in this order!")
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To: ArmyBratCutie

"ok now tell me the name of those doughnut shaped boats or water spiders I rode on....I cant remember to save me.....
as for Tony, he is MORE than welcome to come to America...we love him here....well, most of us, the ones with brains :))"

Can't help you with the boats or the spiders.

The thing with Tony B. Liar is that he has a long history of saying and doing only that which he thinks will get himself re-elected (he also has a reputation for reneging on deals even with colleagues in his own government). I believe that the ONLY reason he backed Bush & the US on Iraq was that he felt it would strengthen his position at home (recall that Thatcher was on the way out before The Falklands conflict but her popularity soared after the victory).

While personally I am glad that we backed the US on Iraq as I believe that it was just and necessary, I don;t for one minute believe that Phoney Tony had any other interests in mind but his own when he made the decision.

Please remember that most Americans know Blair only form his stance on the war and haven't had to put up with 7 years of his leftist social policies and oily public declarations.

Also please know that Blair is very much PRO Europe and if it were not for the efforts of Gordon Brown (miserable Scots pinko that he is) we would inevitably be further ensconced in the quagmire that is the EU and would probably have already sacrificed our currency for the hated Euro.


57 posted on 10/17/2004 10:51:28 AM PDT by BritishBulldog (New Labour - Putting the "National" back into "Socialist")
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To: Calusa

*** I'm only 52 and rather lean and mean if I must say so, but my aortic valve was replaced with a carbon composite in '90. I take flu shots every year. ***

My Mitral valve was replaced same year. I'm 57 and have never taken a flu shot. I have not had flu in years but the common cold tears me up!
Years ago a physician said not to worry about flu as most people die as a result of complications from PNEUMONIA after having the flu. We still have plenty of pennicillin for that.


58 posted on 10/17/2004 10:54:35 AM PDT by Ruy Dias de Bivar (DEMS STILL LIE like dirty dam flea biten stinkin tick infested s*** eatin yellow dogs.)
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To: Ghost of Philip Marlowe
I'm sure there will be a lot of the same crowd weeping after Nov. 2 that they just couldn't figure out the ballots, or that some Republican at the poll intimidated them not to vote.

*L* I've wondered if these poor intimidated voters were actually people who didn't realize you are supposed to register to vote and were surprised they were turned away.
59 posted on 10/17/2004 10:55:06 AM PDT by HungarianGypsy (John Kerry for President of FRANCE)
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To: BearWash
I want to know what happened to the other half of the vaccine? Since my 13 year old son is in a very high risk group we were able to get him one, thank God, but it wasn't easy. Because he is so immuno-suppressed my wife, daughter and I normally get the shots to lessen the chance of even bringing the flu in the house (plus, I have asthma). This year we can't get them.

I literally know dozens of people that normally get the shots, but everyone of them I have talked to can't even find a place that has vaccine available. The local clinics don't have it, the hospitals we have called said they didn't, and my son's specialists don't have, nor had any vaccine. Several elderly folks are telling me they have the same results when they have searched for it. If they find a doctor that had/has the vaccine they tell you that they got far less than half of what they ordered. Many people have told me they aren't pursuing it this year, so where is the other half of the vaccine.

This shortage is a disgrace. Two sources for vaccine for the US and one is off shore? I think it is time to send Tommy Thompson out to get a job he can handle.
60 posted on 10/17/2004 11:00:11 AM PDT by chickenlips
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Cough on every old, sickly looking democrat you see. It will freak them out. And, if you HAVE the flu, go cough on them, it might keep them from voting.


61 posted on 10/17/2004 11:00:44 AM PDT by Nathan Zachary
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And, if anyone REALLY wants a flu shot, drive across the border and get one in Canada. They have a huge surplus and as long as the doctor buys extra for any America customer, it's perfectly ok to do so.


62 posted on 10/17/2004 11:05:19 AM PDT by Nathan Zachary
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To: chickenlips

suppose both factories had been in the US - and one of them contaminated their supply? we would be in the same position we are in now. what do you want - capacity to make 5 times the amount actually needed, just in case something goes wrong? who pays for that?

your son actually needs this - many of the seniors who get it, probably don't. and almost all of the healthy middle aged people getting it, definitely don't need it.


63 posted on 10/17/2004 11:05:40 AM PDT by oceanview
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To: Ruy Dias de Bivar

Yeah, I'm gonna go with multivitamins and echinaceae this year. I also generally keep away from the rest of the herd, but I work at a school. My greatest risk is that dash from the hot tub to the house on a cool evening.


64 posted on 10/17/2004 11:06:39 AM PDT by Calusa (One Nation Gone Under.)
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To: mylife
Here in Texas the local news is reporting that death row inmates are being given flu shots along with the all the other prison population because they are "high risk" since they live in such close confinement with each other!
65 posted on 10/17/2004 11:06:44 AM PDT by FreedomCalls (It's the "Statue of Liberty," not the "Statue of Security.")
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Some enterprizing person should gather a couple Canadian nurses together, buy a truckload of canadian vaccines, and set up a flu shot clinic just on the Canadian side of the border. They could make millions.


66 posted on 10/17/2004 11:11:02 AM PDT by Nathan Zachary
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To: sheikdetailfeather
Betty Castor comforts the victims in long line and blames our government. It is a consequence of the Clinton's administrations policy to make the flu shots affordable. Price is cheap, product is not available. La La land thinking!
67 posted on 10/17/2004 11:16:40 AM PDT by GregoryFul (Liberals are pathological liars. They admire liars, they regale in lies, they spread lies.)
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To: oceanview
the Dems are smelling a big political issue here - and they are running with it. the WH political operation better get plugged into this - fast.

They are trying to make this the "gas lines" of 2004 because fuel prices never reached $2.50-3.00/gal as they were projecting.


68 posted on 10/17/2004 11:17:40 AM PDT by jriemer (We are a Republic not a Democracy)
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To: FreedomCalls

Un freekin believable


69 posted on 10/17/2004 11:23:18 AM PDT by mylife (The roar of the masses could be farts)
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To: sheikdetailfeather; All
Flu Vaccine Crisis- Government Cure, or Government Problem?  P.J. O'Rourke said it best:
If you think medical care is expensive now, just wait 'till it's "free..."

70 posted on 10/17/2004 11:45:17 AM PDT by backhoe (Just a Keyboard Cowboy, ridin' the Trackball into the Dawn of Information...)
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To: Nathan Zachary
And, if anyone REALLY wants a flu shot, drive across the border and get one in Canada.

You can try, but there are plenty of people ahead of you. Also, the Canadian provincial governments are starting to have second thoughts about freely dispensing vaccine to American visitors.

71 posted on 10/17/2004 11:49:03 AM PDT by steve86
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To: sheikdetailfeather
Some people spent the night in sleeping bags to be near the front of the line. Elderly men and women waited in wheelchairs and leaned on walkers. Some brought lawn chairs and umbrellas. The nation's suddenly limited supply of flu vaccine is going fast. The rush for shots has become political fodder. Democratic Senate candidate Betty Castor talked with people waiting for shots at a Tampa supermarket. She said government is not doing its job. A new ad from John Kerry's campaign blames President George W. Bush for ignoring warnings about shortages three years ago.

Im sorry, is this a NEWS ARTICLE or a KERRY CAMPAIGN AD?

72 posted on 10/17/2004 11:50:47 AM PDT by stuck_in_new_orleans
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To: sheikdetailfeather

The best way to get the Flu is to spend the day in a crowd of 600 people.


73 posted on 10/17/2004 11:53:11 AM PDT by spodefly (I've posted nothing but BTTT over 1000 times!!!)
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To: chickenlips
Because he is so immuno-suppressed my wife, daughter and I normally get the shots to lessen the chance of even bringing the flu in the house

Since your son is immuno-suppressed that rules out the rest of you getting FluMist, unfortunately. I'm glad you found a shot for him.

74 posted on 10/17/2004 11:54:13 AM PDT by steve86
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To: sheikdetailfeather
The lines are quite long down here in Florida. My 78-year old mother went to the grocery store on Friday to get her shot. The clinic was scheduled from 4 to 8 p.m. She figured she'd get there around 2 p.m. with a lawn chair and a good book. Well, turns out folks had started lining up at 6 a.m.! The management gave out numbers, all before dawn, so my Mom just turned around and went home.
75 posted on 10/17/2004 12:08:45 PM PDT by dukeman
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To: Gator Bill

Kids are not on the specified list of who gets shots. Only those 6 months to 23 months. At least, that is what our pharmacist told a lady in line with me to pick up a prescription.


76 posted on 10/17/2004 12:08:55 PM PDT by MamaB (mom to an angel)
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To: .38sw
Why are there long lines in the first place? Are these "clinics" at supermarkets and drugstores the only places to get shots? Can't a person who is in the "at risk" category get one from their doctor without standing in line for hours at the local Safeway or Costco? I won't be getting one since I don't fit into these categories, but I'm genuinely curious about this. I would guess that part of the reason for the long lines is panic and fear at not being able to get a shot, but can't a person get one from their doctor?

No. The large NW Florida clinic where my Doctor practices is not being issued vaccine. Nationally we will see tens of thousands of people die because of the shortage.

77 posted on 10/17/2004 12:13:52 PM PDT by LPM1888 (What are the facts? Again and again and again -- what are the facts? - Lazarus Long)
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To: sheikdetailfeather
Maybe I'm naive but what the heck is a "flu shot" and why are people so desperate to get them? Especially in Florida!

I'm a lifelong resident of New England and deal with subzero temperatures every winter. Never once in my 42 years of living have I gotten a "flu shot." And in the few times that I do get the flu - about once every five years - I just drink a little extra water, sleep a little more and shake it off.

78 posted on 10/17/2004 12:16:25 PM PDT by SamAdams76 (The NHL is not playing - does anybody notice?)
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To: stuck_in_new_orleans

this whole issue is a media driven frenzy now, and it may well have some political effects because the administration isn't out there saying anything to try and calm people down.


79 posted on 10/17/2004 12:19:29 PM PDT by oceanview
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To: ArmyBratCutie
every year folks are offered a flu shot....most years NO ONE will take them, or very few.....this year they are PANICed gettting them.....what a bunch of idiots

I agree, the list should be limited to those who took one last year and those in chronic need. Half the reason for the gas lines of the 70's were people tried to keep full tanks all the time whereas under normal conditions the average tank is less than half full.

80 posted on 10/17/2004 12:20:32 PM PDT by HoustonCurmudgeon ( Id RAthER not!)
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To: SamAdams76

my parents are both in their mid 70s - they have never gotten one, never gave it a second thought. but so many americans, especially seniors, see health care as some kind of social event. if they aren't "doctored up" and taking pills for something, they freak out.


81 posted on 10/17/2004 12:21:26 PM PDT by oceanview
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To: sheikdetailfeather

What fools these mortals be!


82 posted on 10/17/2004 12:22:03 PM PDT by verity (The Liberal Media is America's Enemy)
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To: .38sw

"Why are there long lines in the first place? Are these "clinics" at supermarkets and drugstores the only places to get shots?"

Got my shot yesterday and heard there that over 75% of shots delivered each year are thru supermarkets and drugstores and the like.

"Can't a person who is in the "at risk" category get one from their doctor without standing in line for hours at the local Safeway or Costco?"

All of the docs where I live ordered from Chiron and, as a consequence, have no vaccine. The only docs I've heard of who have any vaccine are pediatricians. My experience yesterday bore that out. They had almost 1000 people on line for 700 doses and I swear I was the only person there under 65. No kids at all.


83 posted on 10/17/2004 12:25:22 PM PDT by MonaMars
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To: Nathan Zachary
Cough on every old, sickly looking democrat you see. It will freak them out. And, if you HAVE the flu, go cough on them, it might keep them from voting.

If you do so, you will probably be fed a cane and it won't be made of peppermint.

84 posted on 10/17/2004 12:25:39 PM PDT by LPM1888 (What are the facts? Again and again and again -- what are the facts? - Lazarus Long)
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To: sheikdetailfeather

It's a scare tactic story for Democrats to talk about.

Wanna bet this ends up being a vacine for the wrong flu when this is all over?


85 posted on 10/17/2004 12:26:06 PM PDT by A CA Guy (God Bless America, God bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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To: ArmyBratCutie

My thoughts exactly!
If the media hadn't reported the flu shot shortage, NONE of this would be happening.


86 posted on 10/17/2004 12:26:23 PM PDT by Muzzle_em
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To: HoustonCurmudgeon

The most ironic part of all of this is that the flu shot does not cover every type of flu possible. Many years the shot is useless because the prevalent flu is of a different strain.


87 posted on 10/17/2004 12:27:02 PM PDT by Erik Latranyi (9-11 is your Peace Dividend)
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To: Ruy Dias de Bivar
Years ago a physician said not to worry about flu as most people die as a result of complications from PNEUMONIA after having the flu. We still have plenty of pennicillin for that.

In December 1999, I ended up with pneumonia after the flu and have gotten the shots since then, but am not going to panic this year...will call my doc and get a pneumonia shot and when the panic dies down get the flu shot. I'm 64, but don't consider myself high risk. I have only had the flu that one time.

I think some seniors nowadays think they can live forever if only they do everything right, diet, meds, etc. etc. My 85 year-old mother is on numerous meds that I think are ridiculous for someone her age, and suffering from side effects, but she takes everything the docs tell her to. I really don't believe a slightly elevated cholesterol at her age is that bad since she hasn't had any symptoms of stroke or heart disease. But, I'm sure there are hundreds of thousands of people in that age bracket that are taking that expensive medication. I blame the doctors for this overprescribing. When she goes in complaining of aches and pains, instead of telling her that she should expect some discomfort at her age, they push another pill at her.

88 posted on 10/17/2004 12:28:10 PM PDT by greyfoxx39
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To: BearWash
Consider if gas stations suddenly had only 1/2 of the supply of gasoline. You would see lines and unruly behavior there also.

Only if they weren't free to raise the price. If they could raise the price, then there'd be no unruliness.

89 posted on 10/17/2004 12:32:25 PM PDT by Koblenz (Not bad, not bad at all. -- Ronald Reagan, the Greatest President.)
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To: LPM1888
Nationally we will see tens of thousands of people die because of the shortage.

What is the source for this statement?

90 posted on 10/17/2004 12:32:29 PM PDT by greyfoxx39
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To: SamAdams76

"Never once in my 42 years of living have I gotten a "flu shot." And in the few times that I do get the flu - about once every five years - I just drink a little extra water, sleep a little more and shake it off."

85% of deaths from flu or, more accurately, from complications from flu, are in people over the age of 65. The other deaths are from kids under 2 and folks with asthma, heart/lung disease, deficient immune systems, etc. Hence, the distribution guidelines.

PS- If all you had to do was sleep a little, drink some water, and shake it off, you didn't have the flu. Influenza, as opposed to the zillion other bugs that people catch during flu season, will knock even the healthiest person on his a** for two weeks.


91 posted on 10/17/2004 12:33:17 PM PDT by MonaMars
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To: greyfoxx39

tens of thousands of elderly people die every winter - of pneumonia. The media and the Dems will attribute every one of these deaths this year - to the low supply of flu vaccine.


92 posted on 10/17/2004 12:34:02 PM PDT by oceanview
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To: oceanview

I agree, and my bout with pneumonia was scary. That's why I'm getting a pneumonia shot.


93 posted on 10/17/2004 12:35:47 PM PDT by greyfoxx39
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To: sheikdetailfeather

I have no idea why during the debate Bush didn't say "we will fix this. I'm going to overturn the bad legislation Bill and Hillary Clinton enacted that caused these shortages.


94 posted on 10/17/2004 12:36:44 PM PDT by Vision ("When you trust in yourself, you're trusting in the same wisdom that created you")
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To: Trepz
"Any bets that the unruly behavior was planned by members of the DNC? Just looking for a reason to start trouble and then blame Bush?"

I am betting yes. Either that or a good deal of people have gone on their ear. What is the big deal?

95 posted on 10/17/2004 12:37:06 PM PDT by Diva Betsy Ross (God bless the Swift Boat Vets!)
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To: greyfoxx39

another related thread running now:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1248047/posts


96 posted on 10/17/2004 12:37:41 PM PDT by oceanview
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To: BritishBulldog; ArmyBratCutie

Thank the Trial Lawyers for suing our pharm companies out of the USA boys and girls :)


97 posted on 10/17/2004 12:45:29 PM PDT by Calpernia (Breederville.com)
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To: RightWhale
Standing in line like communists

My first thought too, but vodka came to mind (eases the line-numbing effect).

98 posted on 10/17/2004 12:48:40 PM PDT by budwiesest
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To: Muzzle_em

amen!!


99 posted on 10/17/2004 12:55:10 PM PDT by ArmyBratCutie ("Four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:soap, ballot, jury, ammo in this order!")
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To: Calpernia

you got that right!!!


100 posted on 10/17/2004 12:55:34 PM PDT by ArmyBratCutie ("Four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:soap, ballot, jury, ammo in this order!")
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