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DID A NYTIMES "REPORTER" FABRICATE A BUSH QUOTE? (KERRY USED IT FOR A COMMERCIAL!)
Wizbang ^ | Paul

Posted on 10/17/2004 6:08:39 PM PDT by hipaatwo

Kerry/Edwards/NYTimes campaign has launched another sleazy attack in an apparent effort to define just how low low really is.

First, the NY Times ran a Bush quote from an event the reporter did not attend, then within hours of the piece running, the Kerry campaign managed to put an ad together and have the press releases done and all the media reporting on it.

New Kerry Ad Exposes Bush's January Surprise - Social Security Privatization Just over two weeks before the election, the Kerry-Edwards campaign Sunday released a new ad revealing George Bush's real agenda - his intention to "come out strong" to privatize Social Security should he be sworn in for a second term. ... JOHN KERRY: "I'm John Kerry and I approve this message."

NARRATOR: "The truth is coming out... George Bush has finally admitted that he intends to privatize Social Security in a second term. 'I'm going to come out strong after my swearing in,' Bush said, 'with...privatizing of Social Security.'"

-- Bush at Private Luncheon: "I'm Going to Come Out Strong After My Swearing In With ... Privatizing of Social Security." "'I'm going to be real positive, while I keep my foot on John Kerry's throat,' George W. Bush said last month at a confidential luncheon a block away from the White House with a hundred or so of his most ardent, longtime supporters, the so-called R.N.C. Regents. ... 'I'm going to come out strong after my swearing in,' Bush said, 'with fundamental tax reform, tort reform, privatizing of Social Security.'" (Ron Suskind, "Without a Doubt," New York Times Magazine, 10/17/04)

There's only one problem. The reporter in question, Ron Suskind, did not attend the event he got the quote from. Further, it was not televised, it was a private event and there were no transcripts available. Yet he reports the quote as fact.

Suskind does not explain how he got the controversial quote so accurate but does say about an earlier quote "According to notes provided to me, and according to several guests at the lunch who agreed to speak..."

So Suskind got "notes provided to him" and that was good enough to run such an important quote. I hope Bill Burkett was not the source. Is this what passes for reporting at the Times today?

The Kerry/Edwards/NYTimes campaign has decided they can't convince voters with ringing endorsements so they'll scare old people to death.

For their part, the Bush campaign is denying the quote and some even claimed Suskind made the quote up from whole cloth. In the end, it is of little use, the media is running wild with the story, facts be damned.

--Oh, and who is Ron Suskind that the New York Times is having write a 10 (web) page story on Bush just days before the election? He is the author of "The Price of Loyalty: George W. Bush, the White House and the Education of Paul O'Neill.''"

What do you think the odds are that the NY Times would let John O'Neil write a piece on John Kerry next Sunday?

Update: Jim Kouri is working this story for Wizbang and he has been in contact with Fox News who has questioned the Kerry camp. So far, Kerry is saying "Hey, it was in the NY Times". (paraphrased of course)


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1 posted on 10/17/2004 6:08:39 PM PDT by hipaatwo
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To: hipaatwo

They were talking about this on Fox today...not a lot but I did hear it.....I think Carl Cameron said Kerry had found this "nich" and was going to town with it....


2 posted on 10/17/2004 6:11:38 PM PDT by ArmyBratCutie ("Four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:soap, ballot, jury, ammo in this order!")
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To: hipaatwo

These guys will stop at nothing.. "despicable"


3 posted on 10/17/2004 6:11:45 PM PDT by CT CONSERVATIVE (NOT FAIR-That's Dan's Story to Break!!!)
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To: hipaatwo
So far, Kerry is saying "Hey, it was in the NY Times" That is like Kerry saying, "My military records are on my website and that settles it" Of course, some of the documents are almost certainly frauds and the collection there is BY NO MEANS COMPLETE. He will no release all of his military records.
4 posted on 10/17/2004 6:12:33 PM PDT by elizabetty
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To: hipaatwo

What is going to be done about it????


5 posted on 10/17/2004 6:12:59 PM PDT by Perdogg (Dubya - Right Man, Right Job, at the Right Time!)
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To: hipaatwo

What is going to be done about it????


6 posted on 10/17/2004 6:13:01 PM PDT by Perdogg (Dubya - Right Man, Right Job, at the Right Time!)
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To: hipaatwo
A Registered Democrat's Creative Writing (RNC primer on Suskind)
7 posted on 10/17/2004 6:13:04 PM PDT by RWR8189 (Its Morning in America Again!)
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To: hipaatwo
Is this what passes for reporting at the Times today?

Who cares? The self-professed "mainstream media" (WSJ excepted) have so many liars in their midst I don't bother with them anymore -- and consider anyone who follows them to be an ignorant fool, or at least a "useful fool," to quote V.I. Lenin.

8 posted on 10/17/2004 6:13:32 PM PDT by sionnsar (Cbs: "It's fake but true!" | Iran Azadi | Traditional Anglicans: trad-anglican.faithweb.com)
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To: hipaatwo

This hit piece from the NY Slime was the basis for all talking points of the demo scum attack on the talk shows and for the attacks from the street.

It's amazing how the NY Slime understands the details of a "secret plan" about Bush that doesn't exist but yet fails to publish any details about all the public plans that Kerry has announced (for which there are many).

This is the smear of the week and is oriented toward scaring elderly into choosing between buying catfood to eat, their prescription medicines or heating oil so they won't freeze to death.

This week is Social Security / Mediscare week. Same old nonsense as always. Not so many fall for this swill anymore.


9 posted on 10/17/2004 6:13:42 PM PDT by putupjob
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To: hipaatwo
DID A NYTIMES "REPORTER" FABRICATE A BUSH QUOTE? (KERRY USED IT FOR A COMMERCIAL!)

Heck, Kerry can "channel" a lesbian and Edwards can predicts dead men
will rise up from their wheelchairs at President Kerry's command...

If Kerry/Edwards lose the election, they at least have a future appearing
on Art Bell's show as "remote viewers" and/or paranormal healers.
10 posted on 10/17/2004 6:16:59 PM PDT by VOA
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To: hipaatwo

11 posted on 10/17/2004 6:17:18 PM PDT by Paleo Conservative (Hey! Hey! Ho! Ho! Dan Rather's got to go!)
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To: hipaatwo

But the NYT endorsed kerry. (sic)


12 posted on 10/17/2004 6:18:06 PM PDT by onyx eyes (............just act normal........)
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To: hipaatwo

Why would any Republican speak with a NY Times reporter without a recording device present?


13 posted on 10/17/2004 6:18:23 PM PDT by cicero's_son
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To: hipaatwo

Get it to the Media Research Center and all the talk radio guys/gals


14 posted on 10/17/2004 6:18:27 PM PDT by GeronL (John Kerry believes in a right to privacy and in gay rights............ ask "fair game" Mary Cheney)
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To: hipaatwo
The reporter in question, Ron Suskind, did not attend the event he got the quote from. Further, it was not televised, it was a private event and there were no transcripts available. Yet he reports the quote as fact.

Bob Woodward never lets that stop him. In fact, he can even relate what people are thinking.

15 posted on 10/17/2004 6:20:20 PM PDT by martin_fierro (I'm stuned, stuned!)
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To: hipaatwo
yes, it's a repeat of Rathergate - sympathetic liberal reporters provide the story & Kerry campaign has commercials coordinated at the ready.
16 posted on 10/17/2004 6:22:59 PM PDT by Steven W.
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To: ArmyBratCutie
"The Kerry/Edwards/NYTimes campaign has decided they can't convince voters with ringing endorsements so they'll scare old people to death."

The democrats will stop at nothing to win this election, which includes lying, cheating and exploiting. Why didn't they quote Edwards when he told a crowd that if Kerry is elected the cripple would walk? Now that's a story!! I did hear the news on FOX. Are there any other stations covering it?
17 posted on 10/17/2004 6:23:51 PM PDT by Raquel (Keep praying for W - he feels it!!!)
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To: hipaatwo

I thought Kerry fixed Social Security in 1997.


18 posted on 10/17/2004 6:28:15 PM PDT by 11x62
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To: hipaatwo
Mainstream News Media Motto:

All the news that's fit to print.

All the news that fits our agenda.

All the lies that fit our agenda.

19 posted on 10/17/2004 6:31:16 PM PDT by Samwise (It must be scary to be trapped in John Kerry's mind. No wonder he's nuts.)
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To: hipaatwo
We need to respond ASAP-as this is the stuff that will scare the voters in FL. Even though it is made up-people will still believe the crap.
20 posted on 10/17/2004 6:33:00 PM PDT by tagawgrag
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To: CT CONSERVATIVE

The big final MSM push started today, IMO. They are coordinating with the kerry campaign. The next two weeks will be jaw-dropping in bias and dishonesty by the media.


21 posted on 10/17/2004 6:33:58 PM PDT by San Jacinto (Dems intend to steal the election.)
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To: RWR8189; MeekOneGOP; PhilDragoo; Happy2BMe; potlatch; ntnychik; onyx; FairOpinion; ambrose; ...





A FUN VISIT WITH TERESA!




22 posted on 10/17/2004 6:34:21 PM PDT by devolve ( -HEINZ-KERRY - LIFESTYLES Of The RICH & FLAMING! - http://pro.lookingat.us/ThisOldDump.html --)
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To: CT CONSERVATIVE
These guys will stop at nothing.. "despicable"

It's about time Bush says John Kerry "is not fit for command."

This is in summary what JFK's band of brothers has been saying all along and there is no one better qualified to make this judgment, nor more obligated to pass this assessment on to the American people (or forever hold their peace). Bush would just be concurring that they were right.

Kerry keeps throwing out fabricated lies in preemptive attacks to take Bush off message, just as he did in the debates. It would be time to take him off message and for him to answer to his brothers.

23 posted on 10/17/2004 6:34:35 PM PDT by NJJ
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To: hipaatwo

The New York Times--frabricate? Naaaaaaaaaw ...


24 posted on 10/17/2004 6:34:42 PM PDT by silent_jonny (Kicking Ass & Taking Hyphenated Names!)
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To: hipaatwo

Looks like we have another Old Media problem.


25 posted on 10/17/2004 6:35:33 PM PDT by Peach (The Clintons pardoned more terrorists than they ever captured or killed.)
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To: hipaatwo
[ 'I'm going to come out strong after my swearing in,' Bush said, 'with fundamental tax reform, tort reform, privatizing of Social Security.'" ]

If true that would be a plus for him(Bush) in my book...

26 posted on 10/17/2004 6:37:41 PM PDT by hosepipe (This propaganda has been edited to include some fully orbed hyperbole....)
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To: San Jacinto

boy you got that right!!.....it started with Koppels piece of crap lie about Kerry in VietNam ( NOT ONCE DID THEY WANT TO INVESTIGATE HIS RECORDS OR THE FACT HE WONT SIGN THE 180 ) .. but Koppel got killed by ONeil....but the rest of the weekend, on every single show was a push for Kerry, and the New York Times with their lies that kerry and others used as if that was some kind of gospel truth....its maddening!!


27 posted on 10/17/2004 6:41:22 PM PDT by ArmyBratCutie ("Four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:soap, ballot, jury, ammo in this order!")
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To: hipaatwo
It begins...

"Kerry: Bush planning ‘January surprise’" (click through to article on msnbc)

"Kerry: Bush would break promise on Social Security" (click through to article on cnn)

28 posted on 10/17/2004 6:41:28 PM PDT by sandalwood (Once we get Kerry out of the way, we're coming for you, Rendell!!)
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To: hipaatwo

A major Kerry donor has personally told me that Kerry plans to grant a pardon to cop killer Mumia Abu Jamal within a month after taking office.


29 posted on 10/17/2004 6:42:17 PM PDT by zook
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To: ArmyBratCutie
They were talking about this on Fox today...not a lot but I did hear it.....I think Carl Cameron said Kerry had found this "nich" and was going to town with it....


I sure hope that is the "Gospel" truth! It works in Texas!!
Go to: http://www.ncpa.org/ba/ba215.html and see how well Privatized Social Security works in Galveston, Brazoria and Matagorda counties. A $50.000 per year would receive $6.843 per month compared to $1,302 from Social Security!!!
Which system would you be opted for???
30 posted on 10/17/2004 6:44:25 PM PDT by danamco
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To: devolve; RWR8189; hipaatwo
The MSM are LIARS .....


31 posted on 10/17/2004 6:48:16 PM PDT by MeekOneGOP (There is only one GOOD 'RAT: one that has been voted OUT of POWER !! Straight ticket GOP!)
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To: danamco

oh yeah Pres Bush's actual quote was a great one....he said that he would allow "younger" americans to use part of their SS if they wanted to , to invest on their own....that is a GREAT idea.....but it had nothing to do with guting the system as it is now.....the NYTimes Reporter just did a hit piece and it was an out and out lie and now Kerry is running with it.....I hope it KILLS HIM...


32 posted on 10/17/2004 6:48:45 PM PDT by ArmyBratCutie ("Four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:soap, ballot, jury, ammo in this order!")
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To: hipaatwo

The NYT is not known for its accuracy or its impartiality. They still have not retracted their story based on the forged CBS memos.


33 posted on 10/17/2004 6:56:08 PM PDT by Brilliant
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To: hipaatwo

Does the President actually get sworn in a second time when re-elected?


34 posted on 10/17/2004 6:56:32 PM PDT by Kirkwood (I think, therefore I am Republican!)
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To: ArmyBratCutie

Well .. just what "town" was he going to ..??

Seriously, the President has been talking about this for over a year. I find it amazing that Kerry has just now picked up on it. The President's plan is to allow younger workers to begin to put a portion of their SS money into a private account.

The President has also said several times that those who are currently receiving (or about to receive) payments from SS .. are NOT A PART OF THE PROGRAM.

WHAT MORE DO PEOPLE NEED TO KNOW ..?? I'm glad my son (who has a young family) can begin now to have money put into a money market or 401 type of plan, and when he retires, he will have 3-4 times the amount of money he would have if he had stuck with just SS alone.

What the dems don't like about it is two-fold. First they don't like it because it means they lose more control over people's lives - especially after they retire. Secondly, they don't like it because IT MEANS THERE's LESS MONEY COMING INTO THE TREASURY FOR THEM TO SPEND. That can also mean that since the money usually paid into the treasury will no longer be there - a whole bunch of trimming of govt will be necessary.

No wonder Kerry's "going to town" .. the barn is about to be looted.


35 posted on 10/17/2004 6:58:50 PM PDT by CyberAnt (Election 2004: This election is for the SOUL OF AMERICA)
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To: hipaatwo

Please am email address to the NYSlimes


36 posted on 10/17/2004 6:59:03 PM PDT by feedback doctor (Fundamentalist Liberals, Fundamentalist Muslims, the only difference is the clothes)
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To: hipaatwo

As we say so often around here, there is nothing the left won't do.


37 posted on 10/17/2004 7:00:30 PM PDT by ladyinred (The simple lie always conquers the more complex truth. (propaganda))
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To: hipaatwo; sistergoldenhair

Bump; ping. Here's the Suskind scam.


38 posted on 10/17/2004 7:01:03 PM PDT by facedown (Armed in the Heartland)
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To: CyberAnt

CyberAnt that was brillant!!
amen!!....


39 posted on 10/17/2004 7:01:44 PM PDT by ArmyBratCutie ("Four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:soap, ballot, jury, ammo in this order!")
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To: feedback doctor

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40 posted on 10/17/2004 7:02:28 PM PDT by hipaatwo
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To: putupjob

Are the American people so stupid that they don't know that a President can't even do some of this stuff? Congress has to make these laws in most cases.


41 posted on 10/17/2004 7:02:50 PM PDT by ladyinred (The simple lie always conquers the more complex truth. (propaganda))
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To: Peach; All

PUBLIC EDITOR
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42 posted on 10/17/2004 7:02:50 PM PDT by bitt
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To: feedback doctor

PUBLIC EDITOR
To reach Daniel Okrent, who represents the readers, e-mail public@nytimes.com or call (212) 556-7652.


43 posted on 10/17/2004 7:03:39 PM PDT by bitt
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To: bitt; prairiebreeze

Ping to #25; I copied parts of the post and sent it to the NYT. Old Media is at it again.


44 posted on 10/17/2004 7:05:59 PM PDT by Peach (The Clintons pardoned more terrorists than they ever captured or killed.)
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To: zook

Wouldn't surprise me. It should go over well with the Dems' felon voting base.


45 posted on 10/17/2004 7:07:25 PM PDT by livius
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To: Perdogg

Assuming the statement was "made up", of course, you go after this one hammer and tong. First: you deny it (seniors are still getting the SSI checks the Democrats said they wouldn't have if GWB was elected). You explain that the "reporter" who wrote this fiction was not there when the statement was supposed to have been made, and you point out the apparent "advance notice" Kerry had that the "quote" would appear in NYT. Most of all, you deny it, loud and long!


46 posted on 10/17/2004 7:09:28 PM PDT by pawdoggie
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To: pawdoggie
Most of all, you deny it, loud and long!

...and while you're at it, provide statistics on how seniors benefitted from dividend and estate tax cuts. Surely the campaign has this info on a state-specific basis (like FLORIDA?).

47 posted on 10/17/2004 7:13:17 PM PDT by Timeout (Bush isn't trying to shrink the SUPPLY of gov't. He wants to shrink the DEMAND for gov't.)
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To: Kirkwood
"Does the President actually get sworn in a second time when re-elected?"

LOL.. I LOVE your train of thought. :)

48 posted on 10/17/2004 7:15:58 PM PDT by Dubya-M-Dees
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To: Peach

Smells like panic in Kamp Kerry to me. Twisted lies, scare tactics. Typical.

Prairie


49 posted on 10/17/2004 7:30:15 PM PDT by prairiebreeze (John F. Kerry. Wrong war? WRONG MAN!!)
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To: hipaatwo
I wonder if Ron Suskind is friend with Jayson Blair?

Using a quote from an event that he wasn't even at? Isn't that EXACTLY what the Jayson Blair deal was about?

I know, I know. It's the New York Times. Fabricating false stories just to hurt President Bush. What else is new?

50 posted on 10/17/2004 7:32:06 PM PDT by mattdono ("Crush the democrats, drive them before you, and hear the lamentations of the scumbags" -Big Arnie)
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