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American internet link to Ken Bigley torture videos
Daily Mail (UK) ^ | 17th October 2004 | SHARON CHURCHER

Posted on 10/18/2004 1:05:54 AM PDT by JohnathanRGalt


American internet link to Ken Bigley torture videos

by SHARON CHURCHER, Mail on Sunday 11:44am 17th October 2004
Bigley blindfolded

Terror: Hostage Ken Bigley blindfolded in Iraq



The brutal videos of British hostage Ken Bigley begging for his life were distributed on the internet by a radical Islamic website hosted by an American firm with ties to the Bush administration.

The Mail on Sunday began investigating the site, hostinganime, after it showed images of Mr Bigley being held in a cage, shortly before he was decapitated by the Al Qaeda cell known as Tahid wal Jihad.

The site posted links to footage in which the terrorists were seen hacking off the heads of four other hostages, including the two Americans, Eugene Armstrong and Jack Hensley, kidnapped with Mr Bigley.

We traced hostinganime to the computer servers of Everyone's Internet, a Houston-based firm that boasts it is the "world's largest dedicated hosting company", providing space to one million websites. The company's chief financial officer, Roy Alvin Marsh III, 45, is a flamboyant Texan whose influential friends include President Bush's Secretary of the Navy, Gordon England, Sharon Bush, the President's former sister-in-law, and her daughter, fashion model Lauren Bush. The firm's chief executive is his 44-yearold brother, Robert Marsh.

According to independent internet experts, the firm's clients include hostinganime. "I did an electronic trace and discovered that it is being hosted by Everyone's Internet," says Jeremy Reynalds, a British-born campaigner against internet hate peddlers.

Similar conclusions were reached by Web Sheriff, an internet policing company based in London. Investigators say the site has been used as a propaganda, recruitment and fund-raising tool by several Middle-Eastern terror networks.

American law allows websites to be registered under phony names at post office boxes. Thus hostinganime uses a Los Angeles address that is a mail drop. It is registered through NameCheap, a company owned by Richard Kirkendall, a 29-year-old Texan. He could not be located by The Mail on Sunday.

We also were unable to obtain a comment from Everyone's Internet.

However, an internet expert who advises the US Government on terrorism said the site will enable them eventually to find the terrorists.

US Customs deputy special agent for Houston, Robert Rutt, said last night: "There's going to be no comment on this whatsoever."


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Extended News; Foreign Affairs; Government; Miscellaneous; News/Current Events; US: Texas; United Kingdom; War on Terror
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Is the Daily Mail trying to say that Bush is somehow responsable for the terror videos being hosted by EV1 in Houston?
1 posted on 10/18/2004 1:05:54 AM PDT by JohnathanRGalt
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To: JohnathanRGalt
*snif* *snif* Smell that? That's Leftist desperation.

Rancid enough to knock a buzzard off a sh*t wagon.

2 posted on 10/18/2004 1:08:05 AM PDT by Prime Choice (The Leftists think they can tax us into "prosperity" and regulate us into "liberty.")
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To: Tom Jefferson; GulliverSwift; Dutchgirl; Tolik; nw_arizona_granny; Velveeta; HipShot; paltz; ...

Jehadi website ping: (let me know if you want on or off)

3 posted on 10/18/2004 1:08:34 AM PDT by JohnathanRGalt (---- Fight Islamist CyberTerror at: http://haganah.org.il/haganah/ ----)
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To: JohnathanRGalt

That is what is sounds like to me.


4 posted on 10/18/2004 1:09:54 AM PDT by Jet Jaguar (Who would the terrorists vote for?)
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To: JohnathanRGalt; Peach; Cindy; JustPiper

of interest ping?


5 posted on 10/18/2004 1:11:29 AM PDT by Jet Jaguar (Who would the terrorists vote for?)
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To: Timesink; martin_fierro; reformed_democrat; Loyalist; =Intervention=; PianoMan; GOPJ; ...
Media Schadenfreude and Media Shenanigans PING
6 posted on 10/18/2004 1:14:56 AM PDT by weegee (Ted Kennedy, your brother defined Vietnam antiwar protesters as traitors, giving aid to Ho Chi Mihn)
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To: JohnathanRGalt
Newspaper (?) playing six degrees from Kevin Bacon.

No wonder they lost their empire.

7 posted on 10/18/2004 1:15:05 AM PDT by leadhead
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HOUSTON PING


8 posted on 10/18/2004 1:15:36 AM PDT by weegee (Ted Kennedy, your brother defined Vietnam antiwar protesters as traitors, giving aid to Ho Chi Mihn)
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To: Calpernia; StillProud2BeFree; Revel; Alabama MOM; DAVEY CROCKETT; lacylu

Ping


9 posted on 10/18/2004 1:17:15 AM PDT by nw_arizona_granny (On this day your Prayers are needed!!!!!!!)
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To: Jet Jaguar
Sharon is using the new version of XP.........The Homer Edition !

Stay safe !

10 posted on 10/18/2004 1:20:29 AM PDT by Squantos (Be polite. Be professional. But, have a plan to kill everyone you meet. ©)
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To: Squantos

Always safe.

Thanks.


11 posted on 10/18/2004 1:25:15 AM PDT by Jet Jaguar (Who would the terrorists vote for?)
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To: weegee
What a CROCK!! A shameless attempt to make a link that is non-existent.

There is no limit as to how low the liberals will go.

They're so low they need umbrellas so the ants won't pee on them.

12 posted on 10/18/2004 2:10:39 AM PDT by Allegra (GO ASTROS!!! (Don't Break My Heart AGAIN!))
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13 posted on 10/18/2004 2:41:14 AM PDT by Cindy
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To: JohnathanRGalt

They get more despicable by the minute... the left are truly scary people.


14 posted on 10/18/2004 3:25:33 AM PDT by Tamzee (How many men in their 50's need reminders from mom about integrity?)
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To: JohnathanRGalt

And in further news, it was discovered that the blinfold on Bigley is a Canon towel. Canon towels is an American company based in Texas. Coincidence??? I think NOT!!!!!!!


15 posted on 10/18/2004 3:30:10 AM PDT by Casloy
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To: JohnathanRGalt

Webhosting is an anonymous, automated business as is the purchasing of Internet names. There is no complicity here except the morons chose one webhosting company instead of another.


16 posted on 10/18/2004 3:32:04 AM PDT by Glenn (The two keys to character: 1) Learn how to keep a secret. 2) ...)
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To: JohnathanRGalt; All
ARTICLE SNIPPET:

"However, an internet expert who advises the US Government on terrorism said the site will enable them eventually to find the terrorists."

My opinion: The expert is right.

17 posted on 10/18/2004 3:46:38 AM PDT by Cindy
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To: Prime Choice

The Daily Mail a leftist newspaper? Er... I don't think so. It's one of Britain's most staunchly conservative papers and has been for decades. Try doing a little fact-checking first.


18 posted on 10/18/2004 4:13:47 AM PDT by Bombay Bloke
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To: JohnathanRGalt

So, bottom line, they want to add their bloody voices to the pressure of Congresscritters in America to remove all privacy on the Internet for Americans?


19 posted on 10/18/2004 8:02:58 AM PDT by ApesForEvolution (You will NEVER convince me that Muhammadanism isn't a veil for MASS MURDERS. Save your time...)
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To: JohnathanRGalt
"I did an electronic trace and discovered that it is being hosted by Everyone's Internet," says Jeremy Reynalds, a British-born campaigner against internet hate peddlers.

So now this is internet hate peddling? It's perfectly okay for every news outlet to air over and over the images from Abu Ghraib, the images of civilian casualties in Iraq and Gaza, ... but it's not okay for websites to show what the terrorists are doing to civilians?

I'm one of those Americans who thinks everyone should see these videos - even if it is only one of them. So they know WHO and WHAT our enemy is. Evil.

20 posted on 10/18/2004 9:06:29 AM PDT by cgk (Teresa Heinz Kerry: ``The Democratic machine in this country is putrid.'')
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To: Glenn
Webhosting is an anonymous, automated business as is the purchasing of Internet names. There is no complicity here except the morons chose one webhosting company instead of another.
No, it stopped being an automated business when many people, myself included, informed the abuse@ev1.net that they were hosting and facilitating terrorists deliver their murderous threats and extortions. EV1 has been hosting Islamist terrorists for years -- it currently refuses to apply it's own EV1 Acceptable Use Policy:
  1. Illegal use: Use of the EV1® service to transmit any material (by e-mail, uploading, posting or otherwise) that, intentionally or unintentionally, violates any applicable local, state, national, or international law, or any rules or regulations promulgated thereunder.
  2. Threats: Use of the EV1® service to transmit any material (by e-mail, uploading, posting or otherwise) that threatens or encourages bodily harm or destruction of property.

  3. Harassment: Use of the EV1® service to transmit any material (by e-mail, uploading, posting or otherwise) that harasses another.

Why is al-Qaeda not subject to EV1 policy like a common spammer, child pornographer, or other mass murderer would be?
21 posted on 10/22/2004 2:43:40 PM PDT by JohnathanRGalt (---- Fight Islamist CyberTerror at: http://haganah.org.il/haganah/ ----)
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To: JohnathanRGalt
No, it stopped being an automated business

Yes. It is an automated business. I have many domains on several servers and I've never talked to a human.

22 posted on 10/22/2004 2:45:36 PM PDT by Glenn (The two keys to character: 1) Learn how to keep a secret. 2) ...)
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To: Glenn

And I've talked to several ISPs abuse desks. Once informed that the ISP is hosting criminal activity -- be it SPAM, child porn, or murderous extortion -- the ISP needs to take the sites down.


23 posted on 10/22/2004 4:18:09 PM PDT by JohnathanRGalt (---- Fight Islamist CyberTerror at: http://haganah.org.il/haganah/ ----)
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To: JohnathanRGalt
Once informed

That's much different than saying the process is manual, right?

24 posted on 10/22/2004 5:04:52 PM PDT by Glenn (The two keys to character: 1) Learn how to keep a secret. 2) ...)
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To: JohnathanRGalt
radical Islamic website hosted by an American firm with ties to the Bush administration.

'Scuse me but... HUH? "ties?"

25 posted on 10/22/2004 5:06:12 PM PDT by Terriergal ("Woe to you...Blind guides, who strain out a gnat and swallow a camel!"Matthew 23:23a,24)
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To: Terriergal
'Scuse me but... HUH? "ties?"

Yep, silly ain't it.

It's as though people don't really care that al-Qaeda is ensconced securely and comfortably at an ISP in Houston Texas -- openly carrying out propaganda, recruitment, fundraising, planning, murder, and extortion. But if they can prove that the ISP owner is personal friend of a few of Bush's 3rd or 4th removed family members -- then it becomes important.

Up until now, only conservatives have been complaining.  Jeremy Reynalds, a writer on BushCountry.org has been in the forefront of criticizing ISPs such as EV1.NET who continue to host Islamist terror sites.  Here's a discussion from July of this year on the same subject.

26 posted on 10/22/2004 5:29:39 PM PDT by JohnathanRGalt (---- Fight Islamist CyberTerror at: http://haganah.org.il/haganah/ ----)
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To: Cindy
ARTICLE SNIPPET: "However, an internet expert who advises the US Government on terrorism said the site will enable them eventually to find the terrorists." My opinion: The expert is right.

I think I know who the expert is. It's a reasonable assumption that it is Rita Katz or a member of the S.I.T.E. Institute (the Search for International Terrorist Entities, website: http://www.siteinstitute.org/ ) They keep tabs on terrorist groups though the internet.

This is their methodology: "Through continuous and intensive examination of extremist websites, public records, and international media reports, as well as through undercover work on both sides of the Atlantic, the SITE Institute swiftly locates links among terrorist entities and their supporters. Once a potential terrorist entity is identified, either through SITE's ongoing internal research or via a client's specific query, SITE conducts a comprehensive investigation on the target and entities affiliated to it, scouring corporate records, tax forms, credit reports, videotapes, internet newsgroup postings, and owned websites, among other resources, for indicators of illicit activity. Such research has often yielded important leads that have been, and are continuously being, forwarded to pertinent law enforcement or government agencies, and/or information that has been used for government investigations, raids, and prosecutions, in the U.S and abroad."

There are a few other groups that come to mind, by SITE is my bet.

27 posted on 10/22/2004 5:40:06 PM PDT by samson1097
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To: samson1097

Thank you for your opinion.

I don't know who the expert is as noted in the article.


28 posted on 10/22/2004 5:47:35 PM PDT by Cindy
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To: cgk
So now this is internet hate peddling? It's perfectly okay for every news outlet to air over and over the images from Abu Ghraib, the images of civilian casualties in Iraq and Gaza, ... but it's not okay for websites to show what the terrorists are doing to civilians?

Yes, I think it's important too. If Americans were actually allowed to view the murder videos they would get angry (which would not serve the liberal media's agenda).

However, you need to understand that these sites are being put up by al-Qaeda. You are watching the videos made and uploaded to EV1.NET by the same people who did the actual murders.

If you want to watch the snuff porn second hand, there's always orgrish.com -- First hand it's posted to the Islamist websites. The second part of a terrorist act is to actually deliver the message to the civilian population. The second part of the terrorist act is as important as the first. ISPs such as EV1.NET are facilitating the second part of the terrorist act.

29 posted on 10/22/2004 5:50:08 PM PDT by JohnathanRGalt (---- Fight Islamist CyberTerror at: http://haganah.org.il/haganah/ ----)
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To: samson1097
I think I know who the expert is. It's a reasonable assumption that it is Rita Katz or a member of the S.I.T.E. Institute (the Search for International Terrorist Entities, website: http://www.siteinstitute.org/ ) They keep tabs on terrorist groups though the internet.

There are a few other groups that come to mind, by SITE is my bet.

I don't think so.  Rita Katz and Josh Devon of the Site Institute have called for the sites to be shut down many times:

Ms. Katz said she was not discouraged by the criticism of the prosecutions. "When you call for the death of people and then it results in actions - that is beyond the First Amendment," she said. "You are organizing a crime."

From a Virtual Shadow, Messages of Terror:
Rita Katz, director of the SITE Institute, a nonprofit group in the District that monitors terrorist sites for the federal government, said she believed that without the Internet, Zarqawi's group would not be as revered as it is today. "Zarqawi has progressed tremendously over the past two years," she said, "and I think that the Internet contributes very much to his reputation." A Tool of Radicals


30 posted on 10/22/2004 6:17:15 PM PDT by JohnathanRGalt (---- Fight Islamist CyberTerror at: http://haganah.org.il/haganah/ ----)
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To: samson1097; Cindy
This quote is even more unequivocal.  Katz and Devon are definately NOT the 'terrorist experts' who are keeping the sites up. Here they are calling for the sites to be shut:
President Bush has urged Americans to remain vigilant, keeping themselves aware of their surroundings and reporting suspicious activities. This vigilance must extend into cyberspace. Millions of Americans scour the internet every day, viewing more Web sites than the government ever could. We should routinely report, to police or the FBI, Web sites that support terrorism.

To pull off their attacks on Sept. 11, the hijackers utilized American planes, American bank accounts, American flight schools and American credit cards. Terrorists continue to use American servers. By allowing these sites to remain active, we permit terrorists to communicate and to disseminate their propaganda. The sites must be shut down.

Rita Katz is the Director of the SITE Institute, based in Washington, D.C. Josh Devon is a senior terrorism analyst.


31 posted on 10/22/2004 6:27:19 PM PDT by JohnathanRGalt (---- Fight Islamist CyberTerror at: http://haganah.org.il/haganah/ ----)
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To: samson1097; Cindy
This quote is even more unequivocal.  Katz and Devon are definately NOT the 'terrorist experts' who are keeping the sites up. Here they are calling for the sites to be shut:
President Bush has urged Americans to remain vigilant, keeping themselves aware of their surroundings and reporting suspicious activities. This vigilance must extend into cyberspace. Millions of Americans scour the internet every day, viewing more Web sites than the government ever could. We should routinely report, to police or the FBI, Web sites that support terrorism.

To pull off their attacks on Sept. 11, the hijackers utilized American planes, American bank accounts, American flight schools and American credit cards. Terrorists continue to use American servers. By allowing these sites to remain active, we permit terrorists to communicate and to disseminate their propaganda. The sites must be shut down.

Rita Katz is the Director of the SITE Institute, based in Washington, D.C. Josh Devon is a senior terrorism analyst.


32 posted on 10/22/2004 6:27:42 PM PDT by JohnathanRGalt (---- Fight Islamist CyberTerror at: http://haganah.org.il/haganah/ ----)
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To: Cindy

"However, an internet expert who advises the US Government on terrorism said the site will enable them eventually to find the terrorists."

My opinion: The expert is right.

Certainly not the opinion of some experts such as Katz and Devon.

My opinion is that it's a 'terrorist expert' with a vested interest in promoting more terrorism. With more terrorism in the world, we'll alway's have a need for more terrorist experts -- and shoe screeners at airports.  Kinda like a doctor who encourages kids to smoke cigarettes so they can get cancer so he can treat them.
33 posted on 10/22/2004 6:37:05 PM PDT by JohnathanRGalt (---- Fight Islamist CyberTerror at: http://haganah.org.il/haganah/ ----)
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To: Cindy

"However, an internet expert who advises the US Government on terrorism said the site will enable them eventually to find the terrorists."

My opinion: The expert is right.

Certainly not the opinion of some experts such as Katz and Devon.

My opinion is that it's a 'terrorist expert' with a vested interest in promoting more terrorism. With more terrorism in the world, we'll alway's have a need for more terrorist experts -- and shoe screeners at airports.  Kinda like a doctor who encourages kids to smoke cigarettes so they can get cancer so he can treat them.
34 posted on 10/22/2004 6:37:21 PM PDT by JohnathanRGalt (---- Fight Islamist CyberTerror at: http://haganah.org.il/haganah/ ----)
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To: JohnathanRGalt

My mistake. I misread the original article. I was under the impression that the websites were located by an expert and then passed to the government.

I thought Ms. Katz was a reasonable person to guess at location their websites, as she has links to website of groups like Al Qaida, HAMAS and others.


35 posted on 10/22/2004 6:58:25 PM PDT by samson1097
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To: samson1097
I thought Ms. Katz was a reasonable person to guess at location their websites, as she has links to website of groups like Al Qaida, HAMAS and others.

Yes, Ms. Katz does. She is a very reasonable person. I have learned to trust what she and the Site Institute says.

I have only the highest admiration of the work of the Site Institute!

36 posted on 10/23/2004 12:01:07 AM PDT by JohnathanRGalt (---- Fight Islamist CyberTerror at: http://haganah.org.il/haganah/ ----)
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