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FCC adopts rules for broadband over power line
Mobile Radio Technology ^ | Oct 15, 2004 | Donny Jackson and Glenn Bischoff

Posted on 10/18/2004 6:43:55 AM PDT by Denver Ditdat

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The end of HF?
1 posted on 10/18/2004 6:43:58 AM PDT by Denver Ditdat
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2 posted on 10/18/2004 6:44:32 AM PDT by Denver Ditdat (Ronald Reagan belongs to the ages now, but we preferred it when he belonged to us.)
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To: Denver Ditdat

Bump.


3 posted on 10/18/2004 6:52:54 AM PDT by jokar (On line data base http://www.trackingthethreat.com/db/index.htm)
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To: Denver Ditdat

Hmm. A ZOT would really mean something with a broadband connection over a power line!


4 posted on 10/18/2004 7:08:15 AM PDT by 6SJ7
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To: Denver Ditdat
“They can’t even supply power. There are power outages everywhere,”....

Patton comes across as a lower than low used car salesman. He doesn't do us any favors.

5 posted on 10/18/2004 7:11:10 AM PDT by JoJo Gunn (Help control the Leftist population - have them spayed or neutered.©)
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To: Vic3O3

Ping!


6 posted on 10/18/2004 7:24:00 AM PDT by dd5339 (A sheepdog, a warrior, someone who is walking the hero's path.)
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To: JoJo Gunn

Yeah, that particular talking point is a loser.


7 posted on 10/18/2004 7:30:03 AM PDT by Denver Ditdat (Ronald Reagan belongs to the ages now, but we preferred it when he belonged to us.)
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To: Denver Ditdat
IMSO, Amateur Radio GHz 99.5% arcane hobby and %.5% beneficial to society. The whinings of the ARRL are self serving, ludicrous and narrow sighted. Technology available to non-hobbyists continues to advance, ever diminishing the benefits of Amateur Radio to society while at the same time, the Amateur Radio Community struggles radically to gain membership. In fact, the common track is to continually reduce aptitude requirements for licensing. A death spiral I see!
8 posted on 10/18/2004 7:32:29 AM PDT by off-roader
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To: Denver Ditdat

Why would this provide significantly more interference than electricity only power lines?


9 posted on 10/18/2004 7:33:21 AM PDT by Diddle E. Squat
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To: JoJo Gunn
“They can’t even supply power. There are power outages everywhere,”....

Patton comes across as a lower than low used car salesman. He doesn't do us any favors.

Yeah, most all of us have to surf on our battery-powered laptops all the time because the electric power cuts out on our desktops so often...

10 posted on 10/18/2004 7:44:14 AM PDT by leftcoaster
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To: Denver Ditdat

I really don't see how this would be either cost effective or even workable. Coaxial cable works well because it has an outer shielding on the cable that keeps out external interference, but power lines lack that shielding. From the standpoint of offering broadband, it's not what gets out of your lines and bothers the amateur radio guys, it's what gets into your lines and corrupts your signal. Also in order to run an RF signal you need amplifiers spaced at regular intervals, the higher the frequency the more amplifiers, and who in the world is going to want to do the maintenance work on amps that are hooked up to primary power lines? They're not like transformers that you can just leave there for decades at a time.


11 posted on 10/18/2004 7:58:12 AM PDT by elmer fudd
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To: Diddle E. Squat

Because of the frequency range used. Normal power lines are at 60 Hz which is well below any kind of radio transmission.


12 posted on 10/18/2004 8:02:51 AM PDT by elmer fudd
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To: Denver Ditdat
"The end of HF?"


"Get Smart; use this:"

13 posted on 10/18/2004 8:04:38 AM PDT by hoot2
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To: Denver Ditdat
Great, I can see a new item on my electrical bill..

"Federal Broadband Equality Act Access Charge" (for the "poor" of course).


14 posted on 10/18/2004 8:09:50 AM PDT by unixfox (Close the borders, problems solved!)
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To: elmer fudd
"...who in the world is going to want to do the maintenance work on amps that are hooked up to primary power lines?..."

16kv gloves; might present a problem when trying to use a screwdriver...

16 posted on 10/18/2004 8:12:06 AM PDT by hoot2
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To: NOTTAHERO
"Where there is a will, there is a way."

Haven't we been paying the "algore tax" for years? Why isn't this country coast to coast, border to border, fibre optic?

17 posted on 10/18/2004 8:15:30 AM PDT by hoot2
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To: off-roader

You are forgetting alot of things here, IMO.
First, for those of us in "rural" areas, Ham radio does lots of things. The Sheriff's office RELIES on the Ham radio operators as back up to when their ordinary systems get hammered by weather or whatever.
Ham radio operators are ESSENTIAL in mountain rescue operations, co-ordinating search teams, bouncing their signals off the mountain top relays THEY have INSTALLED and PAID FOR. This may not count for much in the city areas, but it means alot to the rural areas.
Alot of athletic events in the rural areas are also dependent on the Ham operators, as event communications.
What will also be affected, I have heard, is CB communications. For those of you who don't travel by car alot, the entire trucking system relies on CB communications from truck to truck on the open road. I have a CB in my truck, and I have had to use it 5 times with various breakdowns of mine or another person. There is an incredible amount of goods moved by truck that the whole country uses EVERY day. The Homeland Security agency has enlisted and trained long haul truckers for more eyes and ears in the problems of possible terrorist activities. That is their communication.
Lots of truckers have cell phones, but they live on the CB radios. What disruption to that part of the commerce of the USA will be hammered by this "advance" in technology?
Short wave radio will be overrun, also, and there are a great number of persons who enjoy listening to shortwave from all around the world.
I personally don't see the need for "broadband" to be using the electrical system of the country, effectively riding the coattails of the power companies who placed the lines and poles in place. Not every person in a rural area even wants broadband. They barely use computers, and they like it that way. They have no use for alot of "big city" ways, and they are not going to appreciate it being crammed down their throats and added to their current telephone bills.
As for power outages not being as bad as another poster stated? I live north of Sacramento. The power went out 3 times yesterday for short periods- NOT just a flicker. Don't tell us about "NO POWER OUTAGES". We live with it all the time, expecially in winter. The longest I have dealt with was almost 2 days in the last couple of years.


18 posted on 10/18/2004 8:16:48 AM PDT by ridesthemiles (ridesthemiles)
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To: hoot2
The Maxwell Smart technology I'd really like is the Cone of Silence. ;-)

Fiber. Gotta love it. Kinda tough to use from a boat or when camping on a mountaintop, though. RF still rules there.

19 posted on 10/18/2004 9:33:59 AM PDT by Denver Ditdat (Ronald Reagan belongs to the ages now, but we preferred it when he belonged to us.)
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To: Denver Ditdat

My own oppinion is that the future will be fiber run all the way to the house for home service and fiber run to wireless relay stations for laptops, cars and cellphones. I also think that phone, TV and internet service will become so intertwined as to be indistinguishable. You might buy an entertainment computer for your TV/moniter that would download programs off the net rather than pick them up as a broadcast or a communications computer that would essentially be a jacked up telephone that also operated on the net. Of course the entertainment or communications computer could still do your regular computing functions as well, they just wouldn't be built specifically for that purpose.


20 posted on 10/18/2004 10:56:44 AM PDT by elmer fudd
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