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Kerry Military Discharge Deception
NewsMax.com ^ | 10/18/04 | Geoff Metcalf

Posted on 10/18/2004 11:21:57 AM PDT by kattracks

John Kerry is a thoroughly reprehensible person. When Lynn Cheney commented on Kerry, she said, “This is not a good man.” she was articulating a truism that sadly was a grossly inadequate means of describing the loathsome presidential wannabe.

I recently got a note from my old Battalion Commander asking if there is any substance to the controversy surrounding Kerry’s military discharge. I responded, “You damnbetcha!” I have previously written about questions surrounding Kerry’s discharge (9/10/04 http://www.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2004/9/9/154130.shtml) and the ginned up DD214 (8/23/04 http://www.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2004/8/23/95437.shtml). The growing conventional wisdom (in military circles) is that Kerry GOT a discharge but it was other than honorable. He subsequently got Clinton to sign the fix in 2001. HOWEVER, the more egregious aspect is his having been subject to the Uniform Code of Military Justice when he met with the commies in Paris. THAT was and is chargeable! Reportedly, after the slug told a Senate hearing about his meetings with enemy agents, some senior Department of Defense types actually wanted to prosecute him. He was a Naval Reserve officer who had violated an excrement pot full of assorted laws and regulations.

However, the paranoid, dysfunctional Nixon White House allegedly didn’t want to fuel the anti-war gang rhetoric and so they made the strategic and tactical error of ignoring the obvious.

The Navy was p.o.-ed too. They yanked Kerry’s security clearance when it became axiomatic he was a Naval Reserve officer not to be trusted. One retired agent reportedly observed, “Lieutenant Kerry wasn’t cleared to know what time it was!”

The reason Kerry refuses to sign Standard Form 180 and release ALL his records (over a hundred pages still under wraps), doesn’t have ‘jack’ to do with medal inflation and hyperbolized heroics.

President Bush, former Vice President Gore, Senator McCain and others have authorized release of their records ... Kerry won’t!

Kerry’s Honorable Discharge some 30 years after his end of service (March 2001) is suspicious because it is so out of the ordinary.

There are five classes of Discharge: Honorable, General, Other than Honorable, Bad Conduct, and Dishonorable. It smells like Kerry’s ‘first’ discharge was probably no better than a ‘General’ discharge.

It has been suggested (and probably true) that the sandbagged records are loaded with appeal efforts and reports of his having provided “aid and comfort” to the enemy.

The mainstream co-conspirator/enablers media will not be able to ignore THIS elephant in the living room forever. Oh, they will try .... but if you think Clinton was harassed for sexual improprieties with an intern; get ready for a coordinated Military community Tsunami over Kerry’s FULL military record. The Monica mess will compare to a small yellow hole in a Montana snow bank when contrasted with the Kerry conundrum.



TOPICS: Editorial; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: aidandcomfort; dishonorable; kerry; kerrydischarge; militaryrecord

1 posted on 10/18/2004 11:21:57 AM PDT by kattracks
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To: kattracks
Good grief, he's a traitor AND a convict. He should have been shot, or at the least been given life without parole. This leaves me to believe that Kerry is either THE antichrist, or antichrist Jr. LOL
2 posted on 10/18/2004 11:27:57 AM PDT by NRA2BFree
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To: kattracks; Egon; Eb Wilson

Thank you for posting this. Geoff does a good job. I wish he was still on KSFO560 (SF CA).


3 posted on 10/18/2004 11:28:18 AM PDT by RhoTheta (Democrats are the coalition of the coerced and the bribed!)
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To: kattracks

Traction - gaining.


4 posted on 10/18/2004 11:29:25 AM PDT by Only1choice____Freedom ("Anyone who calls Moore a Dumb $#$@$ is okay with me." -areafiftyone)
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To: kattracks

Nationwide TV Scedule for Stolen Honor is at:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1248856/posts

Let's spread the word and try to get undecided voters, independents, and receptive Democrats to watch the program.


5 posted on 10/18/2004 11:32:40 AM PDT by fleur-de-lis (Great intelligence, talent, or fame has no relation to knowing right from wrong or applying it.)
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To: kattracks

One thing that has occurred to me that when I left the Navy in '74, because I had a clearence and worked as an EW, I had to sign a paper that said I would not leave the country without informing the DOD (or USN?). I'm sure Kerry had to do the same as he was a CIC watch officer with a TS. Wonder if that is what they got him on.


7 posted on 10/18/2004 11:37:26 AM PDT by ProudVet77 (Flush John 'Fonda' Kerry)
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To: NRA2BFree

And yet, many Americans seem to think that he'll make a good president. *shaking head*


8 posted on 10/18/2004 11:40:44 AM PDT by .38sw
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To: NRA2BFree

"Good grief, he's a traitor AND a convict. He should have been shot, or at the least been given life without parole. This leaves me to believe that Kerry is either THE antichrist, or antichrist Jr. LOL"

John Kerry is the Junior Anti Christ from the state of Taxechusettes.


9 posted on 10/18/2004 11:40:56 AM PDT by EQAndyBuzz (Control the information to society and you control society.)
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To: kattracks
Grow little Discharge Story, grow! We've not much time left!

Grow little fella, grow quickly!

10 posted on 10/18/2004 11:42:01 AM PDT by TexasCajun
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To: kattracks
A Timeline of Treason the complete time line from Winter Soldier is posted at the Veterans Journal http://www.veteransjournal.net/cgi-bin/news/current_issue.cgi?page=15

A Timeline of Treason
11 posted on 10/18/2004 11:51:01 AM PDT by Foolsgold
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To: TexasCajun

He's out there bringing up Viet Nam again, telling the crowds how he shed blood for his country. I pray that this discharge story really grows some legs.


12 posted on 10/18/2004 11:58:01 AM PDT by surrey
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To: kattracks

Bump for later bookmark


13 posted on 10/18/2004 11:58:06 AM PDT by Renfield (Philosophy chair at the University of Wallamalloo!!)
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To: stockpirate
More on Kerry in Paris.
14 posted on 10/18/2004 12:01:05 PM PDT by Fatalis (The Libertarian Party is to politics as Esperanto is to linguistics.)
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To: kattracks; Viet-Boat-Rider
There may indeed be a way around getting Kerry to sign his 180. This is a rather long method, but I ask you to bear with me on this.

President Putin's remarks last night about Kerry being bad for the country made me do some thinking about why he would make such comments at this time. And then I remembered his KGB past.

The KGB, like all of their subordinate agencies all over the world, kept meticulous records - to a fault. During the early '70s, Kerry's VVAW sent groups not only to Paris but to Moscow as well to work with the KGB. It is common knowledge that the anti-war movement was given guidance from Moscow, as they wanted nothing more than to disgrace the US over 'Nam.

If Kerry was considered to be an enemy collaborator by the FBI (who kept a pretty close watch on Kerry for most of two years), then no doubt there exists an extensive file on Kerry within the KGB's records. He may have even been assigned a "handler" - whether Kerry knew it or not - but most likely he did. The KGB declassified all or nearly all of their files after the Soviet Union collapsed, so anything that they had on Kerry should be available for viewing at least. When you consider the relationship between presidents Putin and Bush, I would imagine that those documents or files could be released rather quickly.

Additionally, Kerry's first trip as a Senator was to Nicaragua to do some heavy fellatio to Ortega and his band of commies. This too would've been documented by the KGB, especially since Ortega left the following day to go to Moscow. So here again there should be files either in Moscow or Nicaragua showing something that would be quite damaging to Kerry.

No foil intended, just trying to piece together a way to put the nails into Dork's coffin once and for all. Anybody else think it's a possibility?
15 posted on 10/18/2004 12:28:04 PM PDT by datura (Let's roll? No, Lock and load.)
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To: kattracks

sKerry will NEVER release his military records and mrs. sKerry will NEVER release her income tax records. And if by some chance, God forbid, that these two reprensible Bubba & Hill'y remakes take the WH, we can kiss our country down the tubes.


16 posted on 10/18/2004 12:36:25 PM PDT by lilylangtree (Veni, Vidi, Vici)
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To: datura

"so anything that they had on Kerry should be available for viewing at least. When you consider the relationship between presidents Putin and Bush, I would imagine that those documents or files could be released rather quickly."

Excellent idea. Anybody read Russian? Putin today endorsed Bush.

IMO should not come from the Bush camp, however. I'm sure there are retired Intel officers/specialists who know Russian. I just saw a write up in a magazine about an officer who knows fluent Russian, which helped him in his assignment in Iraq. But an active duty guy could not do it.


17 posted on 10/18/2004 12:46:43 PM PDT by AMDG&BVMH
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To: datura

Another possibility is the Stasi files of the former East Germany. They are accessible, but I don't remember what the rules are. I'm trying to remember the present name of the agency which controls access to them.


18 posted on 10/18/2004 12:50:03 PM PDT by AMDG&BVMH
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To: lilylangtree

I certainly hope they are leaked, like the Petagon papers were. Personal privacy is NOT the issue here. We have a RIGHT as voters to understand the full facts of this man's military service. If absurd PC laws (mostly created by Democrtic administrations) are in the way some one needs to VIOLATE them.

I know as conservatives this is not our first instinct, nor should it be. But there does come a time when it becomes the right thing to do to violate bad laws.

I firmly believe this is such a time.

Should Kerry win, and these records have not been made public, they should be at that time. Bush should pardon whoever releases them. At that point it's not a "dirty trick" the campaigns over. It's a simple warning to the American people. See what you have done! Beware.


19 posted on 10/18/2004 12:51:51 PM PDT by Jack Black
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To: kattracks

"There are five classes of Discharge: Honorable, General, Other than Honorable, Bad Conduct, and Dishonorable. It smells like Kerry’s ‘first’ discharge was probably no better than a ‘General’ discharge."

I would argue that is was worse. I would argue that it was an Other than Honorable discharge at best. The reason is that a General Discharge is automatically upgraded to Honorable in 90 days (at least at present, I assume it was the same then).


20 posted on 10/18/2004 12:54:02 PM PDT by 2ndreconmarine
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To: datura

Bingo.

You have nailed it. 'Effin was too high profile in the anti war movement, NOT to have extensive KGB files.

Now all it needs is a journo to get over to Moscow and start digging.


21 posted on 10/18/2004 12:58:16 PM PDT by crazycat
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To: kattracks

ping


22 posted on 10/18/2004 1:28:01 PM PDT by Truth Table
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To: kattracks

Kerry has a *plan*...

http://www.asjewelers.com/FRstuff/7/I_have_a_plan.wmv


23 posted on 10/18/2004 1:30:48 PM PDT by 7.62 x 51mm ( veni vidi vino visa "I came, I saw, I drank wine, I shopped")
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To: crazycat

Perhaps a Freeper out there has the expertise and time to do this immediately, Imean right now. Time is of the essence. The election is only two weeks away.
This group can and will supply the funds to do it.
We need to do it for all the guys like our own Aloha Ronnie, the true heroes of Vietnam...


24 posted on 10/18/2004 1:38:26 PM PDT by snowtigger
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To: Polybius

~~Piiiing~~~


25 posted on 10/18/2004 1:50:24 PM PDT by AMDG&BVMH
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To: kattracks
Although I believe there may be something to this theory, I distrust this Nash guy that the author refers to. He's been floating the Kerry "less than honorable discharge" story for some time now, but when I tried to verify his allegations at other web sites, I ran into a brick wall. I concluded that he is the right wing's answer to Burkett. My advice is don't swallow any of this until you actually see copies of the documents in question.
26 posted on 10/18/2004 2:10:03 PM PDT by finnigan2
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To: finnigan2
don't swallow until...you see

Since Kerry is refusing to show those documents, then the only way to get them seen is to smoke them out.

The evidence that shows he received less than an honorable discharge is compelling.

Those of us who've had military service know that the current information available adds up to a bigtime circumstantial case that he received less than an honorable discharge.

27 posted on 10/18/2004 2:28:40 PM PDT by xzins (Retired Army and Proudly Supporting BUSH/CHENEY 2004!)
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To: kattracks

I was reviewing Kerry's DD214 on his website and I noticed something that indicated to me that these documents have definitely been altered and/or revised. We all recall the flap about his silver star and the request for an investigation by Judicial Watch. On the second page of his DD214, in box 24, all of his decorations are listed INCLUDING a Silver Star with a Combat "V"! There is no such thing as a Silver Star with a Combat "V" as the Navy does not add a Combat V to Silver Stars. Prior to 1974, a Combat V was added to the Legion of Merit, Bronze Star Medal, Joint Service Commendation Medal, Navy Commendation Medal and Navy Achievement Medal only. http://www.wordiq.com/definition/Valor_device Now, if this is an award that does not even exist, then this cannot be an unaltered original copy of his DD214.
See http://www.johnkerry.com/pdf/jkmilservice/DD214.pdf, page 2, box 24.

Additionally, there is a DD215 posted on his site, which is a correction to his DD214, dated 03/12/2001. See http://www.johnkerry.com/pdf/jkmilservice/DD-215_Correction.pdf This form "corrects" his DD214 by deleting his Vietnam Service Medal and adds a Vietnam Service Medal with 4 bronze stars. I am not 100% sure of this but wouldn't 4 bronze stars on a service medal indicate 4 combat tours of duty? Kerry only had one or maybe two, if his first tour on the Gridley was considered combat.

It is likely that by 03/12/2001, Kerry had decided to run for the presidency in 2004. If this DD215 was filed to falsely inflate his decorations, it is a clear indication that he habitually and routinely alters his military record for political purposes. The point to my longwinded and somewhat redundant post is that if Kerry's habitually alteres these documents, it is very easy to assume that a less than honorable discharge could have been "revised" to an honorable discharge and nobody could prove otherwise without Kerry signing a form 180.


28 posted on 10/18/2004 2:36:48 PM PDT by tefis (Time for the truth to be told!)
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To: kattracks

bttt


29 posted on 10/18/2004 2:58:20 PM PDT by happygrl
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To: AMDG&BVMH

The name you seek is GAUK (sp?) - probably won't release (quickly) to foreigners - especially if it concerns the German's favorite candidate . . .


30 posted on 10/18/2004 3:05:25 PM PDT by An.American.Expatriate (A vote for JF'nK is a vote for Peace in our Time!)
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To: tefis
wouldn't 4 bronze stars on a service medal indicate 4 combat tours of duty?

Interesting, that bit. I was in the Army so perhaps not the same rules but bronze "Campaign stars" were added to the Vietnam Service Medal based on declared "Campaigns" that one participated in; Tet counter offensive etc. I had four originally, earned over a period of just over twelve months, and later a fifth campaign was declared during the period I was there. I seriously doubt you could participate in four campaigns in four months. That, I would think, could easily be checked on line though (And then, Kerry was in the Navy)

31 posted on 10/18/2004 3:06:50 PM PDT by Chuckster (Neca eos omnes. Deus suos agnoset)
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To: All

Wouldn't the FBI have files on Skummy Skerry?


32 posted on 10/18/2004 3:47:50 PM PDT by Stopislamnow
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To: Stopislamnow

Anything that comes from official government sources will be viewed as "dirty tricks" in the campaign and could backfire. This issue is being ignored by the MSM and will never see the light of day....unfortuneately.


33 posted on 10/18/2004 4:15:23 PM PDT by vigilence
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To: Chuckster

I think I just answered my own question...and added a few more. From wordiq.com:

"The Department of Defense established twenty nine military "named" campaigns during the Vietnam War. For those service members participating in one or more campaigns, a service star is worn on the Vietnam Service Medal...Some campaigns apply to all of the military services while others are specific to a particular branch of the U.S. Armed Forces."

There was only 1 named campaign (out of 29) for which service stars were awarded from 12/68-3/69, the period in which Kerry was in combat. This is listed as the Vietnam Counteroffensive, Phase VI (Army, Navy, USCG): Nov 2, 1968 to Feb 22, 1969. For comprhensive list see: http://www.wordiq.com/definition/Vietnam_Service_Medal

Clearly, Kerry was not eligible for four bronze service stars. The question, then, is why was his DD 214 amended to indicate 4 stars? And did the Navy actually award these in error or did Kerry simply amend them himself as he was preparing for his presidential run? This should be investigated just like the Silver Star with Combat "V". Is there anything that this man saya that is factual?

Also, it looks like there's some unusual stuff with respect to the 4 additional awards added to his record in this form. I am researching now and will post if there's anything there.


34 posted on 10/18/2004 5:08:18 PM PDT by tefis (Time for the truth to be told!)
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To: kattracks

BUMP for future bookmark!


35 posted on 10/18/2004 5:11:51 PM PDT by The SISU kid (I'm the swizzle stick in the cocktail of life)
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To: tefis

I thought so.


36 posted on 10/18/2004 5:38:11 PM PDT by Chuckster (Neca eos omnes. Deus suos agnoset)
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To: tefis
or did Kerry simply amend them himself as he was preparing for his presidential run?

Consider that sKerry mentions his "war" service in virtually EVERY conversation, speech, or comment he has made. I believe he has a serious mental defect that makes him believe his own lies, and that, in his mind, he is a genuine Yankee Doodle Dandy!

37 posted on 10/18/2004 5:54:18 PM PDT by Auntie Dem (Hey! Hey! Ho! Ho! Terrorist lovers gotta go!)
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To: RhoTheta

I miss his show a lot. I haven't been able to get it online, as it is on at really odd hours.


38 posted on 10/18/2004 5:56:03 PM PDT by Politicalmom ( Everyone's entitled to their own opinion, but they're not entitled to their own facts -D. Rumsfeld)
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To: fleur-de-lis

BUMP


39 posted on 10/18/2004 5:57:27 PM PDT by Dante3
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To: An.American.Expatriate

"GAUK "

Yes, you are right

They are apolitical, though; IWO have their own rules of access, which also seek to protect persons who had been followed by the Stasi by anonymous informants. Katarina Witt and former Chancellor Kohl have had their tussels with the agency.


40 posted on 10/18/2004 6:46:56 PM PDT by AMDG&BVMH
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To: AMDG&BVMH; 68-69TonkinGulfYatchClub

I don't know if Tonk has seen this yet, but he might want to give a holler to NavyChief regarding this.

Tonk....this seems right up NC's alley!

(Sorry, I am just leaving for a while and am doing this on the fly....if you have already checked this out, Tonk...sorry!)


41 posted on 10/18/2004 8:29:52 PM PDT by MistyCA (I think if you were to ask Edward's wife, who is fat, she would tell you she is being who she is...)
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To: kattracks

Detailed analysis of Kerry discharge now online at

http://www.vetsforbush.net/kerry-oth-discharge.pdf


42 posted on 11/01/2004 1:04:36 AM PST by mindwest
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