Protests Already Planned for November 3 (regardless of EVs, fraud, turn-out)

United for Peace and Justice ^ | 10/10/2004 | ?

[mabelkitty]

We all remember the votes that were never counted in Florida 2000. So, while we are all working hard for a positive outcome on November 2nd, we also have to be prepared for a repeat of a 2000 stolen election. Below is a pledge for people to sign, supporting efforts to mobilize and protect the vote on November 2nd and making a commitment to protest starting on November 3rd in the case of a fraudulent vote count. By signing this pledge, you will be joining with thousands of others in the November 3rd Urgent Response Network. Please sign the pledge at www.nov3.us and pass it around far and wide.

We are setting up a Fair Elections Advisory Council made up of US and international elections experts who will give us their assessment on election day itself. If they find significant fraud, we will activate the Urgent Response Network on or immediately after November 3rd, calling on people everywhere to engage in protest, including non-violent civil disobedience, in front of their local federal buildings and other appropriate places. We will also be asking those who can to converge in the states where the most serious fraud occurred, as well as in Washington DC.

In addition to signing the pledge, please work with other people and groups in your area to protect the vote on November 2nd and to build the Urgent Response Network. Pick a venue for your local protest in the case that the Urgent Response Network is activated, and list the time and place on the website at www.nov3.us. We also recommend that you set up a place to jointly watch the election results on November 2nd.

Let us commit ourselves to making sure that this time around, the person who occupies the White House is the one who won the election.

November 3rd Pledge of Action:

”I remember the stolen presidential election of 2000 and I am willing to take action in 2004 if the election is stolen again. I support efforts to protect the right to vote leading up to and on Election Day, November 2nd. If that right is systematically violated, I pledge to join nationwide protests starting on November 3rd, either in my community, in the state where the fraud occurred or in Washington DC."

INITIAL SIGNATORIES

Stewart Acuff, Organizing Director, AFL-CIO Fred Azcarate, Jobs with Justice Patrick Barrett, RadFest: Midwest Social Forum Brian Benford, Madison Common Council Medea Benjamin, CodePink Adrienne Maree Brown, League of Pissed Off Voters Mike Brune, Executive Director, Rainforest Action Network Dennis Brutus, poet Andrea Buffa, Global Exchange Linda Burnham, Women of Color Resource Center Leslie Cagan, United for Peace and Justice John Cavanagh, Institute for Policy Studies Steve B. Cobble, political strategist David Cobb, Green Presidential Nominee Rev. James Demus, III, Director, NAACP, Chicago Southside Charlie Derber, Professor of Sociology, Boston College Karen Dolan, Institute for Policy Studies & Cities for Peace Theresa El-Amin, Southern Anti-Racism Network (SARN) Daniel Ellsberg, author Larry Fahn, President, Sierra Club Lisa Fithian, Root Activist Network of Trainers Arun Gandhi, M.K. Gandhi Institute for Nonviolence Ed Garvey, Fighting Bob Fest Greg Gerritt, Executive Director, Friends of the Moshassuck Ted Glick, National Coordinator, IPPN Jim Goodman, Family Farm Defenders Rev. Graylan Hagler, Ministers for Racial, Social and Economic Justice Jody Grage Haug, Green Peace Action (GPAX) Andy Heidt, Madison Common Council Dolores Huerta, United Farm Workers Rev. Jesse Jackson, Rainbow/PUSH Natalie Johnson Lee, Minneapolis City Council Van Jones, Ella Baker Center for Human Rights Rabbi Michael Lerner, Tikkun Pete Karas, Racine Common Council Brenda Konkel, President, Madison Common Council Doug La Follette, Wisconsin Secretary of State Reverend James Lawson, civil rights leader Barbara Lubin, Middle East Children's Alliance Ben Manski, Liberty Tree Foundation Elizabeth Martinez, Institute for Multiracial Justice Mike McCabe, Wisconsin Democracy Campaign Robert McChesney, Free Press Holly Near, singer-songwriter Maya O'Connor, Labor Greens Network Jamala Rogers, Organization for Black Struggle, St. Louis Rebecca Rotzler, Alder, New Paltz Marc Sanson, Co-Chair, Green Party of the United States Renee Saucedo, La Raza Centro Legal John Sellers, Ruckus Society Charles Shaw, Newtopia Magazine Jane Slaughter, Labor Notes Damu Smith, founder, Black Voices for Peace Starhawk, activist and writer Chuck Turner, Boston City Council Chris Vaeth, This Time We're Watching Jason West, Mayor, New Patlz, New York Bob Wing, War Times Dean Zimmerman, Minneapolis City Council Howard Zinn, historian

[mabelkitty]

They can't win through fraud or legal means, so here is intimidation or activities to bring about martial law. The only factor for protests is the date - November 3. Send this to everyone you know - the propaganda parade continues....let's pre-empt.

[Prime Choice]

I personally look forward to these protests. I can't wait to frost the Leftists around here with a "Bush Won! Stop Whining!" placard.

[cvq3842]

So, if they lose again they're going to "take it to the streets."

I guess that's all that's left of the Democrat Party.

Disgusting.

[TwoWolves]

Does this mean that they intend to protest their own vote fraud? /sarcasm

[OpusatFR]

This is a huge mistake.

Soros apparently thinks he can have it his way and overturn a president by a bloodless coup.

The tenor of this election has affected people very badly and any and all attempts of this nature will end very very badly for the democrat party. It will be the end of it.

[mk2000]

I'm sure you have all heard yesterday on Fox News Sunday Eric Holder (former asst attorney general under reno) said if all the votes are counted in this election kerry will win. I suppose with that moronic logic than we shouldn't even hold the election!

[eureka!]

Same strategy in California for the recall and election of Arnold. Lawsuits prepared, crowds ready to protest and then blowout. They all went home, unhappy. So too this time around...

[TheBigB]

I'm sick of farting around with these a-holes. When Bush wins, and these folks do this, I hope he orders all of them rounded up and held for sedition and treason.

We have countries full of Islamofascists wanting to murder us all. We don't have time for this sh*t.

[counterpunch]

Good. Get them all together in the same place for easy pickins.

[The Sons of Liberty]

To me this is encouraging. It must mean that sKerry's internal polls show that he won't win Florida.

[austinaero]

Professional malcontents,,that's the whole lot of 'em!

[austinaero]

Maybe we should show up with loads of Kleenex boxes and violins,,,to offer our condolensces.

[hoagy62]

Bloodless?

Any attempt by any number of liberal/communist/leftist yahoos should be met with an EQUAL number of armed citizens (are you listening, NRA members?) who're willing to do WHATEVER it takes to keep that from happening.

And I mean exactly what I said. When Bush wins (!), I dare any group to try to oust him by force, peaceful or otherwise. If the SEcret Service can't protect him, and the Armed Forces can't protect him, WE, the American People WILL!!

[Riverman94610]

Slow your roll,partner.As long as they keep it peaceful,whats the problem?By"rounding them up"etc,you just play into their hands and help them expand their"base"and give their cause legs.

[SilentServiceCPOWife]

Let 'em protest. While they're screaming and suing, GWB will still be in the White House. They can keep it up for four years if they want to.

[bikepacker67]

Eventually we're gonna need to shoot at these communists in our midst - as long as we all understand where this is all leading....

[E. Pluribus Unum]

We all remember the votes that were never counted in Florida 2000.

HOW GEORGE BUSH STOLE ELECTION 2000

"Al, this is David Boies. I apologize for calling so late, but this won't wait."

"Look, I know you've already conceded, but I've been talking to some folks in Florida and they think they can find enough extra votes down there to give you the state in a recount."

"Just a recount in Volusia, Palm Beach, Broward, and Miami-Dade counties, though."

"If it goes statewide our people will be spread too thin to keep things under control."

"Do you want to give it a try? At this point you've got nothing to lose."

"That's great, Al. I'll give 'em a call and we'll get this show on the road."

"Call Bush right away to let him know you've changed your mind."

"On second thought, call a press conference first."

"Talk to you later, Mr. President."

[dawn53]

November 3rd in the case of a fraudulent vote count

I read a couple lib threads today that said that if Bush won by only 3 percent, then they would know it was fraud.

Don't know where they came up with the 3 percent number being the benchmark.

[Seeking the truth]

I just Freeped that petition.

Hopefully, my nom de plume will appear on that list.

I signed the petition as:

Joe Goebbels
President, Americans United Agaist Lies & Deceit.

Perhaps some other freepers may want to have some fun!

[Shermy]

"I guess that's all that's left of the Democrat Party."

Kerry has no substance to discuss. His outrageous comments about not revealing his plans until after the election are prejudicially underreported by the MSM.

All they have is anticapatory victimization. Another example "the draft".

Kerry is scaremongering. Bush notes it, MSM gives uncritical airing of Kerry's petulant retorts. It's a losing tactic for Bush. He had no one fully explain the "draft" issue, likewise all the other memes thrown out by the Kerry camp for months. But maybe that's just the "genius" tactic of his top adviser...

"Stay the course!"

[tet68]

Let us commit ourselves to making sure that this time around, the person who occupies the White House is the one who won the election.

The democrats by their actions in 2000 have brought this country to the edge of a precipice, they have dishonored
200 years of our history and brought us closer to civil war.

By bringing our electoral system into question, they threaten our very existance as a nation, and this in a
time of war.

They cannot stop themselves now and they will deserve
everthing they get, and I will do everything I can
to make sure they get it good and hard
when the time comes.

[wizardoz]

...making a commitment to protest starting on November 3rd in the case of a fraudulent vote count.

Ah yes. "If I didn't win, then it wasn't fair!!" I see this behavior in my 7th grade students all the time. Whenever I have any kind of contest, they wait eagerly to see if they won, and if they didn't, immediately begin whining "That's not faaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaair!!!"

When I say, "What was unfair about it?" They look lost for a minute, and then begin sulking.

[Trepz]

I went to the site and use the name

SAVE AMERICA VOTE BUSH

added more names to be emailed with that as the SENDERS name.

johnkerry@johnkerry.com
johnedwards@johnkerry.com
THEIVES@dnc.org

I think they'll NOT be too happy receiving an email with the name I used.

[wizardoz]

Don't know where they came up with the 3 percent number being the benchmark.

I'll give you a hint: whoever came up with it had to stand up to pull it out.

[luckodeirish]

On November 3rd Republicans will be returning to work or raising their families while the Dims will be protesting Bush's win. Titty babies, all of em.

[XHogPilot]

COMMUNISTS!

[js1138]

The recount situation in Florida will be interesting. There are no punch card ballots. |there will be optically scanned paper ballots, which were flawless in 2000, and there will be touch screen machines that cannot be recounted (confirmed by the courts).

[Chris_Shugart]

I don't want to be over-melodramatic but what concerns me is the possibility of some lawyers being able to successfully get enough judges to keep the election from being certified. Imagine Flordia 2000 happening again, except in a dozen states, not just one. I'm not an alarmist by nature, but the possibility of an uprecented number of legal challenges to this election has me, frankly a little worried. If the courts can prevent or at least postpone the outcome of the election, this in my mind could be a pretext to civil war. Is my anxiety justified?

[68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub]

If you recall the media tried to give FL to Gore in 2000
VNS was a private consortium owned by
ABC News, The Associated Press, CBS News, CNN, Fox News, and NBC.
4 of the 5 of the networks and cable newsrooms
(only ABC waited till both time zones closed)
"announced" Gore had won
BEFORE the 2nd time zone in FL had closed.
This cost President Bush votes in the FL panhandle.

I was at a friends house and the State of FL election website results showed President Bush was winning

In fact, the networks which called Florida for Gore did so early in the evening—before polls had even closed in the Florida panhandle, which is part of the Central Time Zone. NBC called Florida for Gore at 7:49:40 p.m., Eastern Time. This was 10 minutes before polls closed in the Florida panhandle. Thirty seconds later, CBS called Florida for Gore. And at 7:52 p.m., Fox called Florida for Gore. Moore never lets the audience know that Fox was among the networks which made the error of calling Florida for Gore prematurely. Then at 8:02 p.m., ABC called Florida for Gore. Only ABC had waited until the Florida polls were closed.

About an hour before the polls closed in panhandle Florida,
the networks called the U.S. Senate race in favor of the Democratic candidate.

The premature calls may have cost Bush thousands of votes from the conservative panhandle, as discouraged last-minute voters heard that their state had already been decided;
some last-minute voters on their way to the polling place turned around and went home. Other voters who were waiting in line left the polling place. In Florida, as elsewhere, voters who have arrived at the polling place before closing time often end up voting after closing time, because of long lines. The conventional wisdom of politics is that supporters of the losing candidate are most likely to give up on voting when they hear that their side has already lost. Thus, on election night 1980, when incumbent President Jimmy Carter gave a concession speech while polls were still open on the west coast, the early concession was blamed for costing the Democrats several Congressional seats in the West, such as that of 20-year incumbent James Corman. The fact that all the networks had declared Reagan a landslide winner while west coast voting was still in progress was also blamed for Democratic losses in the West; Congress even held hearings about prohibiting the disclosure of exit polls before voting had ended in the any of the 48 contiguous states.

Even if the premature television calls affected all potential voters equally, the effect was to reduce Republican votes significantly, because the Florida panhandle is a Republican stronghold. Most of Central Time Zone Florida is in the 1st Congressional District, which is known as the "Redneck Riviera." In that district, Bob Dole beat Bill Clinton by 69,000 votes in 1996, even though Clinton won the state by 300,000 votes.

So depress overall turnout in the panhandle,
and you will necessarily depress more Republican than Democratic votes.

A 2001 study by John Lott suggested that the early calls cost Bush at least 7,500 votes,
and perhaps many more.

At 10:00 p.m., which network took the lead in retracting the premature Florida win for Gore?
The first retracting network was CBS, not Fox.

Over four hours later, at 2:16 a.m., Fox projected Bush as the Florida winner,
as did all the other networks by 2:20 a.m.

At 3:59 a.m., CBS took the lead in retracting the Florida call for Bush. All the other networks, including Fox, followed the CBS lead within eight minutes. That the networks arrived at similar conclusions within a short period of time is not surprising, since they were all using the same data from the Voter News Service. (Linda Mason, Kathleen Francovic & Kathleen Hall Jamieson, “CBS News Coverage of Election Night 2000: Investigation, Analysis, Recommendations” (CBS News, Jan. 2001), pp. 12-25.)

The big 5 media TV and Cable newsrooms are the real threat to the 2004 election.

..."Early on Tuesday, November 7th 2000, TV stations and various media based in Florida reported that Gore has won Florida which was a big surprise for everyone because of strong republican support. Bush's brother Jeb is governor there and Florida usually gives support to the Republicans. Some of them questioned that and during the night CNN showed 52% Bush's lead over 46% for Gore. It is almost impossible to believe that media could have been that blind and biased to report Gore's victory."...

[no dems]

Jason West, Mayor, New Patlz, New York That's the Mayor who defied the law and married gay couples isn't it?

[DonnerT]

Turkies conveniently gathering for a Turkey shoot?

[SandRat]

Lists are our friends.

• Stewart Acuff, Organizing Director, AFL-CIO
• Fred Azcarate, Jobs with Justice
• Patrick Barrett, RadFest: Midwest Social Forum
• Brian Benford, Madison Common Council
• Medea Benjamin, CodePink
• Adrienne Maree Brown, League of Pissed Off Voters
• Mike Brune, Executive Director, Rainforest Action Network
• Dennis Brutus, poet
• Andrea Buffa, Global Exchange
• Linda Burnham, Women of Color Resource Center
• Leslie Cagan, United for Peace and Justice
• John Cavanagh, Institute for Policy Studies
• Steve B. Cobble, political strategist
• David Cobb, Green Presidential Nominee
• Rev. James Demus, III, Director, NAACP, Chicago Southside
• Charlie Derber, Professor of Sociology, Boston College
• Karen Dolan, Institute for Policy Studies & Cities for Peace
• Theresa El-Amin, Southern Anti-Racism Network (SARN)
• Daniel Ellsberg, author
• Larry Fahn, President, Sierra Club
• Lisa Fithian, Root Activist Network of Trainers
• Arun Gandhi, M.K. Gandhi Institute for Nonviolence
• Ed Garvey, Fighting Bob Fest
• Greg Gerritt, Executive Director, Friends of the Moshassuck
• Ted Glick, National Coordinator, IPPN
• Jim Goodman, Family Farm Defenders
• Rev. Graylan Hagler, Ministers for Racial, Social and Economic Justice
• Jody Grage Haug, Green Peace Action (GPAX)
• Andy Heidt, Madison Common Council
• Dolores Huerta, United Farm Workers
• Rev. Jesse Jackson, Rainbow/PUSH
• Natalie Johnson Lee, Minneapolis City Council
• Van Jones, Ella Baker Center for Human Rights
• Rabbi Michael Lerner, Tikkun Pete Karas, Racine Common Council
• Brenda Konkel, President, Madison Common Council
• Doug La Follette, Wisconsin Secretary of State
• Reverend James Lawson, civil rights leader
• Barbara Lubin, Middle East Children's Alliance
• Ben Manski, Liberty Tree Foundation
• Elizabeth Martinez, Institute for Multiracial Justice
• Mike McCabe, Wisconsin Democracy Campaign
• Robert McChesney, Free Press
• Holly Near, singer-songwriter
• Maya O'Connor, Labor Greens Network
• Jamala Rogers, Organization for Black Struggle, St. Louis
• Rebecca Rotzler, Alder, New Paltz
• Marc Sanson, Co-Chair, Green Party of the United States
• Renee Saucedo, La Raza Centro Legal
• John Sellers, Ruckus Society
• Charles Shaw, Newtopia Magazine
• Jane Slaughter, Labor Notes Damu Smith, founder, Black Voices for Peace
• Starhawk, activist and writer
• Chuck Turner, Boston City Council
• Chris Vaeth, This Time We're Watching
• Jason West, Mayor, New Patlz, New York
• Bob Wing, War Times
• Dean Zimmerman, Minneapolis City Council
• Howard Zinn, historian

[Check6]

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[mac_truck]

Any attempt by any number of liberal/communist/leftist yahoos should be met with an EQUAL number of armed citizens (are you listening, NRA members?) who're willing to do WHATEVER it takes to keep that from happening.

I agree. Communists should be resisted with force wherever they try to take power.

[tapatio]

DUmmies are talking about it http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x1098161#1098187

[dsc]

"Lists are our friends."

Is that the retroactive abortion list?

[SandRat]

I was thinking more of the "toss more chlorine in the gene pool" list.

[Fiddlstix]

[dsc]

I'm fine with that.

[Petronski]

Hugh Jorgan from Intercourse PA signed the petition this morning, but they deleted his signature! Not fair.

[SandRat]

Now that's class!

[RightWhale]

bring about martial law

Only if they are confronted in the streets. The country is wound tight, don't light the fuse.

[Indie]

So, if they lose again they're going to "take it to the streets." I guess that's all that's left of the Democrat Party. Disgusting.

Yep. Agreed. And it will be equally disgusting if what is nothing more now than a front organization for the Communist Party USA [the democrat party] is allowed to act violently and/or resorts to terroristic acts, without a defense of our Republic and order by "us" The People...The Militia.

[NCC-1701]

The up-side to your theory is that W would be president for as long as those thugs want to draw out the process. Good for Bush, a nightmare for Lurch/Oppie team.

[armymarinemom]

I have about had enough. I started reading websites again and ended up on the Veterans for Peace local website. I learned that the local high school has been receptive for working with Veterans for Peace. Arrrrrghhh. pdf report. What really ticks me off is that the Veterans for Peace enjoys a 501 (c)3 tax status. Now a 501(c)3 states that your organization is nonpolitical. Veterans for Peace is nothing but political. They have a few small gestures for charities but I think it's safe to say that most of their funds are spent protesting and trying to bring political change to our country.

I think it may be past time to start putting pressure on local officials to look into the tax status of some of these groups. We also need to start putting pressure on local and National officials to turn around the NEC status on WWP's exception to the rule for reporting contributions.

[Brad’s Gramma]

Bumping your post.

[TexasKamaAina]

Maybe we should show up with loads of Kleenex boxes and violins,,,to offer our condolensces.

I like that one! Let's show up and give them tissues and tell them to use them to make spitballs.

[Ciexyz]

I think they missed an organization: "Save the Trees", honorary chairperson Al Gore.

[prairiebreeze]

Medea Benjamin and the Reverend Jaaack-sennn. What a shock.

Prairie

[Chieftain]

Let 'em take to the streets and watch the Silent Majority rise up and CRUSH their mealy mouths with a FURY!