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Kerry's Real Gaffe
RealClearPolitics.com ^ | 10/20/2004 | James Glassman

Posted on 10/20/2004 6:09:01 AM PDT by jhigh

Did you catch John Kerry's gaffe in the third debate?

No, not the one about Mary Cheney being born a lesbian. That abusive and cynical outburst produced gasps in living rooms around the nation and certainly cost Kerry votes.

But there was a more serious gaffe in the debate. It revealed how Kerry's vision of government is at odds not just with that of George Bush but with that of America's founders. In answer to a question about gay marriage, Kerry said: "Because we are the United States of America, we're a country with a great, unbelievable Constitution, with rights that we afford people, that you can't discriminate in the workplace. You can't discriminate in the rights that you afford people."

"A gaffe," as columnist Michael Kinsley once wrote, "is when a politician tells the truth." In this case, Kerry's gaffe is an inadvertent statement of what he--and many on the left--believe is the truth but is actually false and dangerous.

The key phrase was "rights that we afford people." This was no mistake. He said it twice.

Kerry believes that the United States government, through the Constitution, "affords" rights to Americans. My dictionary defines "afford," in this context as "give, grant, confer." In other words, we fortunate, benighted Americans have a country, a government that grants us rights.

That's an utterly inaccurate reading of the great documents of the founding of this nation. Our government does not grant us any rights at all. On the contrary, Americans start off with rights, and it is we who grant the government certain limited powers to protect those rights.

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: gaffe; humanrights; issues; kerry; thirddebate
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1 posted on 10/20/2004 6:09:01 AM PDT by jhigh
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To: jhigh

Wow. What a commercial this would be.


2 posted on 10/20/2004 6:11:46 AM PDT by bust (A biased media is the biggest threat to our democracy...)
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To: jhigh

Wow. What a commercial this would be.


3 posted on 10/20/2004 6:11:46 AM PDT by bust (A biased media is the biggest threat to our democracy...)
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To: jhigh

Exactly. . .they are "endowed by our creator."


4 posted on 10/20/2004 6:13:30 AM PDT by McBuff
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To: jhigh

By god you're right. Very very good!

ping!


5 posted on 10/20/2004 6:13:33 AM PDT by C0y0Te
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To: jhigh
Yeah I noticed that right away. From the look of the live thread that night a lot of us noticed that little "slip up".

Personally I'm not so sure it was a slip up as an actual belief.
6 posted on 10/20/2004 6:13:41 AM PDT by cripplecreek (We've turned the corner and we're not smokin crack.)
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To: jhigh

This has been churning for a while now between both this statement and later when he said the Constitution gives us rights. I'm really glad we're not the only ones to see it. Let's hope more people are made aware of this.


7 posted on 10/20/2004 6:14:06 AM PDT by TrojanMan
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To: bust

Seriously man, this should be sent right to the leaders of the Bush campaign. You know anyone with a direct line?


8 posted on 10/20/2004 6:15:41 AM PDT by C0y0Te
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To: jhigh

I in fact did notice that and it wsa discussed here briefly, but it would be good if more were made of it.

It shows that he doesn't understand the Constitution of the US.


9 posted on 10/20/2004 6:15:43 AM PDT by stockpirate (Kerry; supported by, financed by, trained by, guided by, revered by, in favor of, Communists.)
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To: jhigh

"That's an utterly inaccurate reading of the great documents of the founding of this nation. "

What Kerry said is right on par with socialist documents though. hmmmm...


10 posted on 10/20/2004 6:16:33 AM PDT by socialismisinsidious ("A government that is big enough to give you all you want is big enough to take it all away.")
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To: jhigh

Given the current state of education in this country not too many people would understand why it's a gaffe.


11 posted on 10/20/2004 6:17:19 AM PDT by TigersEye (Free speech! It's not just for Democrats anymore!)
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Its no surprise actually.
The left has always thought that the government should control their lives.
From affirmative action to religion, the left looks to the government for support.
It is the right, the Conservatives that think we the people should lead the government, and in doing so take responsibility for our own position in life.

Maybe this is why the majority of business owners are Republicans.
Leaders look to themselves to do what is needed.
Followers look to the leaders to tell them what to do.


12 posted on 10/20/2004 6:18:16 AM PDT by What-to-do
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To: bust

ping

I'll get back to this later (I hope I remember). I have video of the entire debate.


13 posted on 10/20/2004 6:19:01 AM PDT by z3n
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To: jhigh; Luis Gonzalez; Howlin; Peach
And that is a big difference.

I watched Jay Sekulow the other night on TV and he said that the whole idea behind the Constitution is that at the very begninning it acknowledges mans rights and freedoms are given to us by our Creator, something Bush has said over and over (that should make the "true conservative" and "constitutionalist conservative" crowds happy!), and that the Governments job is to "protect those rights

Then he said Kerry wants to change it so that it is the Government that supplies those right and determines them for us.

"You shall have no other Gods before me", and I think that includes the Government.

If I can find text of Sekulow's interview I will post it.

14 posted on 10/20/2004 6:21:04 AM PDT by RedBloodedAmerican
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To: TigersEye

Yeah, I with TigersEye on this one. Most people are quite comfortable with the notion that the government affords them rights. Nine out of ten people will just look at you funny when you bring this up. Those musty old historical figures who wrote the Constitution just didn't understand what it would be like today, don'tcha know?


15 posted on 10/20/2004 6:22:30 AM PDT by gridlock (BARKEEP: Why the long face? HORSE: Ha ha, old joke. BARKEEP: Not you, I was talking to JF'n Kerry!)
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To: jhigh

a glance into a liberals heart and brain. Government provides for US. The founders and conservatives know it is US that give government the power.


16 posted on 10/20/2004 6:23:06 AM PDT by ilgipper
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To: ilgipper

Bush emphasized several times with crowd enthusiasm that we were endowed by our Creator - not by our Government leaders in his stump speeches- apparently he caught the arrogant gaffe as well!


17 posted on 10/20/2004 6:27:17 AM PDT by newzhawk
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To: jhigh
God gave us the PEOPLE the RIGHTS.

People like Kerry, Kennedy, Schumer, Fine-Swine, Barney Franks, Janet Reno and Clintons sees it as their birthrights to take it away piece by piece and to have the USA kowtowing to the like of blackman and Christian Mass Murderer Kofi Annan.

18 posted on 10/20/2004 6:27:34 AM PDT by prophetic (What do u call someone who flip-flops so much? A Politician? No, a HYPOCRITE!!)
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To: jhigh
From the third debate:

I'm not going to appoint a judge to the Court who's going to undo a constitutional right, whether it's the First Amendment, or the Fifth Amendment, or some other right that's given under our courts today -- under the Constitution. And I believe that the right of choice is a constitutional right.

He is truly a DANGEROUS man!

19 posted on 10/20/2004 6:28:23 AM PDT by Heart of Georgia (John Kerry: If you can't baffle 'em with brilliance, dazzle 'em with BS!)
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To: jhigh
yea, but how about THIS gaff to go along with it...?

"Because we are the United States of America, we're a country with a great, unbelievable Constitution, with rights that we afford people, that you can't discriminate in the workplace. You can't discriminate in the rights that you afford people."

20 posted on 10/20/2004 6:31:07 AM PDT by houeto
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To: Heart of Georgia

I think he is dumb too.


21 posted on 10/20/2004 6:31:56 AM PDT by cajungirl (Jammies Up!!)
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To: Heart of Georgia

It is fair to say that we do have a right of choice.

However, when that choice involves murder, it becomes a choice that is not acceptable.


22 posted on 10/20/2004 6:31:57 AM PDT by What-to-do
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To: houeto

gaff = gaffe


23 posted on 10/20/2004 6:32:21 AM PDT by houeto
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To: jhigh

Absolutely. I caught that when he said it and I told my wife that's exactly why I could never vote for a modern liberal. If they 'afford' me my rights, they can dis-afford them too. Any politician who fails to realize that my rights were endowed upon me by my Creator is unfit for office.


24 posted on 10/20/2004 6:32:53 AM PDT by pgkdan
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To: socialismisinsidious
That's very interesting.

Last night the discovery channel ran a show about Ronald Reagan. Reagan saw the Soviet state as being without religion and therefore the sole giver and taker of rights. The state was a giver and taker of rights without conscience.

Reagan discovered that the Russian population was very spiritual even if the state tried to suppress it. That was the turning point. Reagan maneuvered himself into positions that allowed himself to be seen by the Russian people. The Russian people began to hear something they had never heard before. They saw a world leader who didn't speak over them, he spoke to them as an equal who saw their rights on par with his own.

It brought about a change in the Russian public. They stopped asking and begging for their rights and began demanding their rights.
25 posted on 10/20/2004 6:33:37 AM PDT by cripplecreek (We've turned the corner and we're not smokin crack.)
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To: jhigh

"Rights" are constantly claimed but many are bogus. Jesse Jerkson believes there is a "right" to health care, affordable housing, reparations for his brain-dead admirers, clean air, clean water, a job, the list is virtually endless.

Governments do not recognize many claimed "rights" and their proponents just keep howling at the moon.

Our Bill of Rights recognizes certain rights as fundamental the rest are just more Leftist puffery.

This is a none starter or worse since many of the moochers and leeches DO believe that they have a "right" to what is in my wallet.


26 posted on 10/20/2004 6:34:55 AM PDT by justshutupandtakeit (RATmedia will no longer control American politics if patriots have their way.)
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To: jhigh
In order to have "God-given" rights, one must first acknowledge that God exists and is involved in the affairs of men. This was a basic concept to our Founding Fathers.

To Kerry, Liberals and huge chunks of our dumbed-down electorate which were "educated" in publick sckoolz, this basic concept does not register and is in fact foreign in the extreme. To them, our rights are conferred by men, or government, and therefore may be changed or taken away by the same. Kerry speaks to, and for, them.

Kerry does not speak from ignorance but from knowing malice.

27 posted on 10/20/2004 6:34:59 AM PDT by Gritty ("The soft culture of welfare raises its citizens to be bystanders in their own fate-Mark Steyn)
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To: What-to-do

It's the basic "Conflict of Visions" that Sowell writes about in his book by that name.

The left sees certain individuals (of their ideology) as being endowed with enough wisdom, intelligence, experience, morality, and virtue to
make decisions for the rest of us better than we can for ourselves. It is a basic core belief (if there is such a thing in a person like Kerry).


28 posted on 10/20/2004 6:35:50 AM PDT by MrB (You can't reason people out of a position that they didn't use reason to get into in the first place)
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To: C0y0Te; bust

See 26. This will go nowhere fast.


29 posted on 10/20/2004 6:36:01 AM PDT by justshutupandtakeit (RATmedia will no longer control American politics if patriots have their way.)
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To: jhigh

Good post. BTTT.


30 posted on 10/20/2004 6:36:52 AM PDT by eastsider
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To: justshutupandtakeit
Jesse Jerkson believes there is a "right" to health care, affordable housing, reparations for his brain-dead admirers, clean air, clean water, a job, the list is virtually endless

It's a simple test, really. If you claim a right that incurs an involuntary cost on another individual, it is not a right.

31 posted on 10/20/2004 6:38:56 AM PDT by MrB (You can't reason people out of a position that they didn't use reason to get into in the first place)
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To: cajungirl
I think he is dumb too.

I agree!

32 posted on 10/20/2004 6:40:49 AM PDT by Heart of Georgia (John Kerry: If you can't baffle 'em with brilliance, dazzle 'em with BS!)
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placemarker for later


33 posted on 10/20/2004 7:01:21 AM PDT by RedBloodedAmerican
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To: What-to-do
Just pointing out similarities between the example quoted above, "rights that we afford people", and another gaffe from the third debate, "some other right that's given under our courts today."

We have rights, but they aren't given to us by the courts. He realized what he'd said and corrected himself by saying "under the Constitution."

34 posted on 10/20/2004 7:22:25 AM PDT by Heart of Georgia (John Kerry: If you can't baffle 'em with brilliance, dazzle 'em with BS!)
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To: jhigh

This is deadly stuff. John F. Kerry has a fundamental misunderstanding about the nature of govenment. It is very serious. He is disqualified, in my opinion, from serving as president. This needs to be trumpeted far and wide!


35 posted on 10/20/2004 7:24:58 AM PDT by Genoa
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To: MrB

Thus, you believe there is a right for Gays to get married.


36 posted on 10/20/2004 7:32:15 AM PDT by justshutupandtakeit (RATmedia will no longer control American politics if patriots have their way.)
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To: jhigh

The Traitor must have a foot fetish because every time he opens his mouth he sticks his foot in it! LMAO

He gives a whole new meaning to the term "educated fool."


38 posted on 10/20/2004 7:34:40 AM PDT by kellynla (U.S.M.C. 1/5 1st Mar Div. Nam 69&70 Semper Fi http://www.vietnamveteransagainstjohnkerry.com)
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To: justshutupandtakeit

That inflicts the involuntary cost of devaluing the traditional family.

I really don't know where you jumped to the conclusion that you did...


39 posted on 10/20/2004 7:35:30 AM PDT by MrB (You can't reason people out of a position that they didn't use reason to get into in the first place)
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To: What-to-do
The left has always thought that the government should control their lives.

Very true. Dennis Prager adds that while the right holds dear the traditional American value of liberty, the left is more concerned with equality.

40 posted on 10/20/2004 7:39:20 AM PDT by glennaro
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To: McBuff

well.....DUH....but the liberals will never understand that...they believe all rights and good things flow from the goobermint to the sheeple,..but in fact, its supposed to be the other way around. Liberals dont get this basic fact: God-People-Goobermint. the natural and real order of things.
The Capt.


41 posted on 10/20/2004 7:41:45 AM PDT by Capt.YankeeMike (get outta my pocket, outta my car, and outta the schools)
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To: jhigh

GWB and the RNC should be made aware of this.


42 posted on 10/20/2004 7:42:02 AM PDT by crushelits
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To: MrB

Such subject factors can never be considered objective.

It is easy to claim that increased expenditures on health increases productivity and therefore economic activity which benefits everyone.

Almost everything imposes "involutary costs" on someone which is one of the reasons government grows as the societies become more complex.

There was a reason the BoR listed specific rights.


43 posted on 10/20/2004 7:42:38 AM PDT by justshutupandtakeit (RATmedia will no longer control American politics if patriots have their way.)
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To: justshutupandtakeit
There was a reason the BoR listed specific rights.

and your interpretation is specifically why the founders balked at a listing of rights.

They were concerned that those rights listed would be considered to be the only rights that the government couldn't infringe on - Kerry's view.

In reality, people hold ALL rights, and the government is only allowed to infringe on those rights in the areas that it is specifically authorized to.

44 posted on 10/20/2004 7:45:31 AM PDT by MrB (You can't reason people out of a position that they didn't use reason to get into in the first place)
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45 posted on 10/20/2004 7:48:06 AM PDT by machman
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To: jhigh

What about when JF'nK said somenting about (paraphrase from memory)"...interpert the Constitution according to law..."


46 posted on 10/20/2004 7:51:30 AM PDT by CPOSharky (JF'nK - Billionaire playboy, courtsey of a deceased Republican.)
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To: MrB

The reason the BoR was explicit was because those were the only ones they could agree on. It is true that Hamilton and Madison did not want a BoR for the reason you stated. But to secure the support of the ideologues (generally nutcases) for the Constitution they promised to pass the BoR as soon as possible.

I place little concern for nebulous lists of "rights" since there is no universal agreement on many as my initial list demonstrates. Most of those who do seem to be ideologues to me.


47 posted on 10/20/2004 7:55:47 AM PDT by justshutupandtakeit (RATmedia will no longer control American politics if patriots have their way.)
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To: CPOSharky
What about when JF'nK said somenting about (paraphrase from memory)"...interpert the Constitution according to law..."

I remembered that so I went looking for it. Is this the one?

From the second debate (1st paragraph for some context):

KERRY: Will we have equal opportunity? Will women's rights be protected? Will we have equal pay for women, which is going backwards? Will a woman's right to choose be protected?

These are constitutional rights, and I want to make sure we have judges who interpret the Constitution of the United States according to the law.

48 posted on 10/20/2004 8:39:35 AM PDT by Heart of Georgia (John Kerry: If you can't baffle 'em with brilliance, dazzle 'em with BS!)
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To: jhigh

Oooh. Good catch!

But just as an aside: "rights that we afford people" is too complicated a phrase for the average Dumbocrat to absorb anyway. Even if it is said very slowly.


49 posted on 10/20/2004 8:42:02 AM PDT by uncitizen
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To: jhigh

bump!


50 posted on 10/20/2004 6:48:36 PM PDT by Mia T (Stop Clintons' Undermining Machinations (The acronym is the message.))
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