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Kerry camp raises white flag in WVA
Charleston Daily Mail ^ | Wednesday October 20, 2004 | Brad McElhinny Daily Mail staff

Posted on 10/20/2004 8:52:59 AM PDT by Perdogg

Kerry camp pulls plug on TV ads W.Va. spokeswoman insists that doesn't mean state was written of

John Kerry's presidential campaign has pulled advertisements from area television stations only two weeks before the election.

"I guess they figured the ads were no longer going to change the outcome of the election, so either they thought they were going to lose or they thought they had it locked up," said Bray Cary, president of West Virginia Media Holdings, which owns WOWK- TV 13.

Area television station officials said the Kerry campaign got in touch with them on Friday, and the pullout became effective Tuesday. The Bush campaign has continued to advertise.

Kerry's spokeswoman in West Virginia, Amy Shuler Goodwin, said the advertising pullout is no indication that the campaign doesn't hope to win the Mountain State.

She said the campaign is still working to shade West Virginia in the color blue that is used by networks to indicate states that have voted for the Democratic candidate.

"Our strategy to win in West Virginia has never changed," she said. "We have more than 30 staffers working in locations across the state. We'll work harder tomorrow than we did yesterday to make sure West Virginia goes blue."

Both Kerry and President Bush worked hard to secure West Virginia during the past few months, with headliners from both campaigns frequently appearing in the state.

But West Virginia has gone from a competitive swing state to one that national analysts now consider to be leaning toward Bush.

Kerry's campaign must be putting its money in bigger states such as Ohio and Florida that remain more competitive, said Neil Birch, a political scientist at West Virginia University.

"It doesn't mean they're giving up. It simply means they see other, closer, bigger targets," Birch said.

"I think what they're doing is not saying, ‘We can't win West Virginia.' They're saying, ‘We have a better chance of winning some of the other swing states.' "

He suggested the Bush campaign might also scale back its advertising in West Virginia during the final two weeks of the campaign.

"It's the fact that West Virginia is perceived to be less close and only five electoral votes," he said. "I think you'll see a decrease from the Bush side. So it's bad news for the television stations."

Area television stations still can reach into the southeastern Ohio region that remains competitive, so some stations are trying to get the Kerry campaign to reconsider.

"That's the point we're trying to make with them," said Don Ray, the general manager of WSAZ NewsChannel 3.

"The Bush campaign is a little more on the ball. They're staying put here in this market so they can capture southeastern Ohio. The Kerry campaign seems to be missing that."

There will be no slowdown in political advertising, which might be a disappointment for viewers. Other campaigns are expected to swoop in for the airtime.

Contact writer Brad McElhinny at 348-4872.


TOPICS: Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: election; jeanfrancois; vote; westvirginia; wva

1 posted on 10/20/2004 8:52:59 AM PDT by Perdogg
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To: Perdogg

It didn't cost them much to raise the white flag. They used one of Robert Byrd's old sheets.


2 posted on 10/20/2004 8:54:12 AM PDT by Question Liberal Authority (Visualize Smaller Government)
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To: Question Liberal Authority

LOL! Damn, that was Cooold!


3 posted on 10/20/2004 8:54:56 AM PDT by Perdogg (Dubya - Right Man, Right Job, at the Right Time!)
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To: Perdogg

Why spend any money running ads at all when the MSM is willing to give sKerry all the positive coverage he wants.


4 posted on 10/20/2004 8:56:22 AM PDT by austinaero
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To: Perdogg


See this..

Most of the West Virginia polls are still showing it fairly close.. anywhere from 2 to 4 points.

I think the internals for each campaign know what's really going on. Bush and Kerry are both advertising like crazy-men in Michigan, where polls have shown it to be a big lead for Kerry.

Bush is in better shape than the polls indicate I feel.


5 posted on 10/20/2004 8:57:15 AM PDT by Josh in PA
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To: Perdogg

So far, they've written on MO and WV, former battleground states. WIsh they would write off OH!


6 posted on 10/20/2004 8:57:23 AM PDT by MHT
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To: MHT

Wish Jeb had a bigger lead for his brother. 4% is still within margin of error. I would like to see a nice 7-8% lead by the end of next week in Florida for W.


7 posted on 10/20/2004 8:58:54 AM PDT by My Favorite Headache (Absalom, Absalom, Absalom....)
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To: Question Liberal Authority
It's interesting that the Klansman has a daughter who is married to a Muslim.

Both the KKK and Islam are known for their anti-Semitism.

8 posted on 10/20/2004 8:59:13 AM PDT by wideawake (God bless our brave soldiers and their Commander in Chief)
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To: Josh in PA
Bush is in better shape than the polls indicate I feel.

I'm with you.

9 posted on 10/20/2004 9:02:14 AM PDT by Gabz (Hurricanes and Kerry/Edwards have 2 things in common - hot air and destruction.)
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To: Perdogg
"The Bush campaign is a little more on the ball. They're staying put here in this market so they can capture southeastern Ohio. The Kerry campaign seems to be missing that."

Interesting.

10 posted on 10/20/2004 9:03:11 AM PDT by ClearCase_guy (The fourth estate is a fifth column.)
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To: Perdogg
"Our strategy to win in West Virginia has never changed,"

It's just not working!

11 posted on 10/20/2004 9:07:57 AM PDT by Redbob
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To: Perdogg

It's not in the bag until you go out and vote.


12 posted on 10/20/2004 9:08:53 AM PDT by rabidralph (Take responsibility for your life. Vote Republican)
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To: MHT
So far, they've written on MO and WV, former battleground states. WIsh they would write off OH!

I wish the Ketchup/Breck ticket (or its successor) would write off Wisconsin.

13 posted on 10/20/2004 9:10:07 AM PDT by steveegg (Hiliary Rodham Clinton - Let the Torching of Ketchup/Breck begin)
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To: Perdogg

Joins the growing list of states Kerry has given up on:
Arizona
Arkansas
Louisiana

aand more to come!


14 posted on 10/20/2004 9:10:32 AM PDT by Redbob
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To: MHT
So far, they've written on MO and WV, former battleground states. WIsh they would write off OH!

Gov. Arnold is due to campaign for the President in Ohio the weekend before the election. That may help.

15 posted on 10/20/2004 9:10:46 AM PDT by Bosco (Remember how you felt on September 11?)
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To: Josh in PA
Bush is in better shape than the polls indicate I feel.

I would agree completely were it not for the "fraud factor".

IMO, we are being set up. The MSM is leading the country to believe that this is a tight race while at the same time the Dem machinery is setting up the biggest voter fraud movement in history.

When the election shows to be tight but in the Dem favor (despite more votes cast than there are eligible voters) they (Dem+MSM) will point their fingers at the 'whining' pubbies. (or some scenario close to that)

16 posted on 10/20/2004 9:11:13 AM PDT by houeto
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To: Redbob
"Our strategy to win in West Virginia has never changed,"

It's just not working!

And Ketchup Boy and Breck Girl have the nerve to call President Bush brickheaded.

17 posted on 10/20/2004 9:11:19 AM PDT by steveegg (Hiliary Rodham Clinton - Let the Torching of Ketchup/Breck begin)
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To: Perdogg

Joins the growing list of states Kerry has given up on:
Arizona
Arkansas
Louisiana

aand more to come!


18 posted on 10/20/2004 9:11:59 AM PDT by Redbob
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To: Perdogg

WVA was never in play for Kerry.

I'm telling you this, I don't think Kerry can win Ohio, Wi or Iowa either! I also think the only way he will carry PA is due to voting in the Philly area.

The mans a cuckold, and his VP's a primadonna... he won't in any state where Metrosexualism isn't considered cool.


19 posted on 10/20/2004 9:15:33 AM PDT by HamiltonJay ("You cannot strengthen the weak by weakening the strong.")
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To: MHT

They'll never write off Ohio, even if they know they have lost it..because if they lose Ohio they have lost the election and everyone will know it. So even if Bush is up by 10 in internals, Kerry and Dems will keep pounding Ohio hard just for show.


20 posted on 10/20/2004 9:17:14 AM PDT by HamiltonJay ("You cannot strengthen the weak by weakening the strong.")
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And kerry's ship continues to sink...............


21 posted on 10/20/2004 9:18:27 AM PDT by Legion04
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To: MHT; Redbob
If my informal tracking chart is accurate, in addition to pulling ads from WV and MO, they also pulled out of AR, AZ, VA, NC, and LA.

[A Kerry volunteer told me they were told Kerry had Virginia sewn up so they didn't need to spend any more money here!]

I remember reading the Bush campaign has stopped ads in WA. Any other updates?

If I have it right, the Battleground has narrowed to seven states: FL (27 Electoral Votes), PA (21), OH (20), WI (10), IA (7), OR (7), and NV (5 ). The President needs a minimum 48 votes from these seven states to hit 270.

And even if he just gets the 47 EVs from OH and FL he'll have 269, sending it to the House of Representatives who will go for Bush.
22 posted on 10/20/2004 9:37:40 AM PDT by StayAt HomeMother
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To: ClearCase_guy

I've often wondered how Bush can be doing well in West Virginia, and he apparently is, and not be doing well in Ohio.


23 posted on 10/20/2004 9:52:58 AM PDT by rushmom
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To: houeto

Well if things are that bad that a Republican administration can't impact on it and state attorney generals can't impact on it, we've lost the country anyway. A huge Bush win would take care of this.


24 posted on 10/20/2004 9:55:42 AM PDT by rushmom
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To: Perdogg

Meanwhile Terayza raises a white raisin.


25 posted on 10/20/2004 9:56:07 AM PDT by dfwgator (It's sad that the news media treats Michael Jackson better than our military.)
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To: Gabz

It seems like in the past few elections, the polls seemed to give Democrats a couple more points than the national results showed.


26 posted on 10/20/2004 10:03:19 AM PDT by TechnicalEcstacy (Ann Coulter - want to touch the heiny - aaoowwwooo!)
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To: Perdogg
Kerry's campaign must be putting its money in bigger states such as Ohio and Florida that remain more competitive, said Neil Birch, a political scientist at West Virginia University.

The campaigns' internals on Ohio and Florida are not necessarily competitive. The point is Kerry must try to win them to have any chance at all. Meanwhile, the campaigns are acting as if some of the Kerry leaners are battle grounds, and the Bush leaners are done deals.

Knowing this, it starts to make sense that Kerry/Edwards is acting so desperatly.

27 posted on 10/20/2004 10:05:14 AM PDT by AndyTheBear (Disastrous social experiments are the opiate of elitist snobs.)
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To: rushmom
Well if things are that bad that a Republican administration can't impact on it and state attorney generals can't impact on it, we've lost the country anyway. A huge Bush win would take care of this.

Agreed.

28 posted on 10/20/2004 10:08:12 AM PDT by houeto
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To: Perdogg
"Area television stations still can reach into the southeastern Ohio region that remains competitive, so some stations are trying to get the Kerry campaign to reconsider. "That's the point we're trying to make with them," said Don Ray, the general manager of WSAZ NewsChannel 3. "

Where's the editorial commentary on the inappropriate partisanship of the part of the stations, such as with Sinclair Braodcasting? Why dosens't it read "...said Don Ray, the general manager of WSAZ NewsChannel 3, a Democrat and Kerry donor"???

They never leave that tidbit of information out when there is any perceived leaning in the Right direction.

29 posted on 10/20/2004 10:24:20 AM PDT by intolerancewillNOTbetolerated (I suck at my current job, so PROMOTE me. - Peter-Principle Kerry)
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To: StayAt HomeMother

The same states that gave Bush 271 last time would give him 278. If Kerry takes NH, at 4, Bush still gets 274. I don't know where people are coming up with the 269 scenario.


30 posted on 10/20/2004 11:03:50 AM PDT by MHT
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To: Perdogg

Thank goodness!! I was getting tired of watching them! They made my blood pressure go up :o)


31 posted on 10/20/2004 11:06:59 AM PDT by N8VTXNinWV (4 More Years! 4 More Years!)
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To: MadelineZapeezda

Like you said!


32 posted on 10/20/2004 11:09:03 AM PDT by mountaineer
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To: MHT

The 269 could happen if Kerry also took NV, which he won't. I am sure there are some other scenarios that could get the same results.


33 posted on 10/20/2004 11:10:28 AM PDT by gswilder
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To: StayAt HomeMother
[A Kerry volunteer told me they were told Kerry had Virginia sewn up so they didn't need to spend any more money here!]

This sKerry volunteer must be living in a dreamworld...and are being told lies, and is an idiot for believing them! I live in SE VA and can tell you with all due certainty...Virginia is going GWB! No doubt about it! It's not even close!

34 posted on 10/20/2004 11:12:18 AM PDT by nfldgirl ("It was on a Monday, somebody touched me! ... must have been the hand of the Lord!")
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To: Perdogg

So many West Virginians watch TV stations just across the borders, Kerry really doesn't need to buy any more time on WV stations. For example, here in the Northern Panhandle, we watch Pittsburgh and Steubenville stations, and believe me, he's spending the bucks in
PA and OH! Having said that, I think there's some reason for hope in WV, as Kerry's anti-military, pro-gay, pro-abortion routine doesn't play too well, even with union Democrats.


35 posted on 10/20/2004 11:12:35 AM PDT by mountaineer
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To: Redbob

ROTFL


36 posted on 10/20/2004 11:13:16 AM PDT by bwteim (Begin With The End In Mind. Preventing carpal tunnel; signed up post 9/11 on Oct 5, 2001)
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To: steveegg

I just received an e-mail about John Kerry's resume (humor) and it had this:

>COLLEGE:
>
>I graduated from Yale University with a low C average. Unlike my counterpart George Bush, I have no higher
education and did not get admitted to Harvard nor graduate with an M.B.A

Was Kerry a low C student at Yale? This was news to me.


37 posted on 10/20/2004 11:48:39 AM PDT by BushisTheMan
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To: mountaineer

Even in my demoncRATic stronghold hometown , my daughter classes in High School found Pres. Bush to be the next winner by a vote of 54 to 57%


38 posted on 10/20/2004 11:57:11 AM PDT by MadelineZapeezda
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To: Perdogg

They need the cash to buy votes


39 posted on 10/20/2004 11:58:18 AM PDT by AppyPappy (If You're Not A Part Of The Solution, There's Good Money To Be Made In Prolonging The Problem.)
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To: BushisTheMan

Dunno what his GPA was at Yale, but Ketchup Boy is a certified lawyer (he received his JD from Boston College Law School in 1976).


40 posted on 10/20/2004 12:01:06 PM PDT by steveegg (Hiliary Rodham Clinton - Let the Torching of Ketchup/Breck begin)
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To: MHT

More fun with spereadsheets: Here is a tentative allocation of EVs with all the usual caveats about trusting ANY polls for anything:

The President: 222
AK (3)
AL (9)
AR (6)
AZ (10)
CO (9)
GA (15)
ID (4)
IN (11)
KS (6)
KY (8)
LA (9)
MO (11)
MS (6)
MT (3)
NC (15)
ND (3)
NE (5)
OK (7)
SC (8)
SD (3)
TN (11)
TX (34)
UT (5)
VA (13)
WV (5)
WY (3)

Kerry: 219
CA (55)
CT (7)
DC (3)
DE (3)
HI (4)
IL (21)
MA (12)
MD (10)
ME (4)
MI (17)
MN (10)
NH (4)
NM (5)
NJ (15)
NY (31)
RI (4)
VT (3)
WA (11)

Battleground: 97
IA (7)
FL (27)
NV (5)
OH (20)
OR (7)
PA (21)
WI (10)

To get from 222 to 269 the President would need 47 EVs, which is the total of FL and OH. Everything else is gravy.


41 posted on 10/20/2004 12:01:21 PM PDT by StayAt HomeMother
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