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Rush Limbaugh: The Most Amazing John Kerry Quote
The Washington Post | October 19, 2004 | Peach

Posted on 10/20/2004 9:13:15 AM PDT by Peach

Edited on 10/20/2004 7:41:44 PM PDT by Sidebar Moderator. [history]

There is a story today in the Washington Post by Helen Dewar and Thomas Ricks, the headline: Help of Allies Among Three Key Themes. I want you to listen to this quote from Kerry. This quote is actually from April 17th of 1994 on CNN's Late Edition. This is back when Frank Sesno hosted the program. This is the third paragraph of the story in the Washington Post today.

"Kerry's belief in working with allies runs so deep that he has maintained that the loss of American life can be better justified if it occurs in the course of a mission with international support. In 1994, discussing the possibility of U.S. troops being killed in Bosnia, he said, 'If you mean dying in the course of the United Nations effort, yes, it is worth that. If you mean dying American troops unilaterally going in with some false presumption that we can affect the outcome, the answer is unequivocally no.'"

So I mean there you have it. John Kerry believes that American troops dying under the banner of the UN flag is acceptable, when dying under the banner of the American flag is not. I hope he's asked about this. This is something that shows up again in the Washington Post today, it's from 1994. This is the best evidence we have, and this is from Kerry's own lips, of his obsession -- and I don't think that's too strong a word to use here -- his obsession with the UN. If you take this quote and combine it with his other words and his record, you have irrefutable evidence, all the evidence we need that he worships at the shrine of the United Nations. Here's the actual question and answer from Frank Sesno CNN on Late Edition, April 17th of 1994. Sesno says: Senator Kerry, it begs the question, what are the U.S. interests and the strategic interests in this place called the Balkans? Kerry: Well, they are less than our interests in perhaps Haiti. They are greater than our interests in Somalia. Sesno: But worth dying for? That's the question, are they worth fighting and dying for? Kerry: Well, it depends what you mean by that, Frank. If you mean dying in the course of the United Nations effort, yeah, it's worth that. If you mean dying American troops unilaterally going in with some false presumption that we can affect the outcome the answer is unequivocally no. So I think it's a question of where you place the interest.

So John Kerry thinks that American troops dying under the American flag is not justified, and is not worthwhile, but under the UN flag, then of course American deaths are justified. Now, this is all about Bosnia, and Clinton went in without the United Nations, if you recall. So I would think that Kerry would be in opposition to what we did there and that any deaths that we incurred are not worth it because we went in with some unilateral false presumption that we could affect the outcome.

We will keep a sharp eye on this. I just think this is a devastating quote. You put it in context with the global test quote that he had in the first debate. Make no mistake, this is the Washington Post, this is the third paragraph of the story, this will be picked up on and harped on by the Bush campaign I'm certain, it has to be, later on today.

We found the audio sound bite of John Kerry on CNN April 17th, 1994. Frank Sesno with the question. This is all about going to the Balkans. Is it worth American lives to go to Balkans? And here's the sound bite.

SESNO: Are they worth dying for? That's the question. Are they worth fighting and dying for?

KERRY: It depends what you mean by that, Frank. If you mean dying in the course of the United Nations effort, yes, it is worth that. If you mean dying American troops unilaterally going in with some false presumption that we can affect the outcome, the answer is unequivocally no.

RUSH: I mean, there you have it. Here's John Kerry saying that American deaths under the UN banner are permissible and honorable, American deaths under American flag only are not, April 17th, 1994. It doesn't sound to me like this position of his, this global test and the UN will have a veto over what we do doesn't sound like his position has changed, sounds like it's hardened, sounds like it's the one policy Kerry is actually firm in believing. It sounds like that Kerry does not flip-flop when it comes to the UN. He may flip-flop on everything else, but when it comes to the UN, boy, it trumps everything. And he's been consistent, at least as we can prove from the record from 1994 to the present, about ten years, ladies and gentlemen.


TOPICS: Breaking News; Foreign Affairs; Government; Miscellaneous; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: 1994; bosnia; kerry; napalminthemorning; soros; troops; un; wot
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1 posted on 10/20/2004 9:13:17 AM PDT by Peach
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To: jmstein7; kristinn

Can you grab the exact quote that Kerry made in 1994 regarding this matter?


2 posted on 10/20/2004 9:14:48 AM PDT by Peach (The Clintons pardoned more terrorists than they ever captured or killed.)
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To: Peach

Interesting. Got a link?


3 posted on 10/20/2004 9:15:40 AM PDT by Prime Choice (The Leftists think they can tax us into "prosperity" and regulate us into "liberty.")
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To: Peach

http://www.weeklystandard.com/Content/Public/Articles/000/000/004/804suggy.asp


4 posted on 10/20/2004 9:15:59 AM PDT by ChuckShick (He's clerking for me...)
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To: Prime Choice

We need a link. I'm posting what Rush just said. He gave the exact quote. It's devastating (for sKerry).


5 posted on 10/20/2004 9:16:57 AM PDT by Peach (The Clintons pardoned more terrorists than they ever captured or killed.)
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To: ChuckShick; Prime Choice

Thank you for that link, ChuckShick.

Here's a quote from the article:

Kerry's belief in working with allies runs so deep that he has maintained that the loss of American life can be better justified if it occurs in the course of a mission with international support. In 1994, discussing the possibility of U.S. troops being killed in Bosnia, he said, "If you mean dying in the course of the United Nations effort, yes, it is worth that. If you mean dying American troops unilaterally going in with some false presumption that we can affect the outcome, the answer is unequivocally no."


6 posted on 10/20/2004 9:18:01 AM PDT by Peach (The Clintons pardoned more terrorists than they ever captured or killed.)
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To: Peach

I wish it were devistating. Kerry could molest a child, rob a bank, burn a church and commit a hate crime and the media wouldn't even take notice.


7 posted on 10/20/2004 9:18:17 AM PDT by Se7eN
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To: Peach

Ka-ka-kaboom!


8 posted on 10/20/2004 9:18:49 AM PDT by steveegg (Hiliary Rodham Clinton - Let the Torching of Ketchup/Breck begin)
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To: Peach

Help! The Dems' ship is going under thanks to captain sKerry.


9 posted on 10/20/2004 9:19:39 AM PDT by conservativepoet
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To: Peach

If this is correct it validates anyone who said Kerry would place our National Security under UN control even if they don't have our best interest in mind. Now we see what the "global test" is, "global control" of America.


10 posted on 10/20/2004 9:20:13 AM PDT by tobyhill (The war on terrorism is not for the weak!)
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To: ChuckShick

That is sick


11 posted on 10/20/2004 9:20:14 AM PDT by madison46 (Are there kerry Republicans or only Bush Democrats?)
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To: ChuckShick

This probably doesn't have the legs it appears to at first glance.


12 posted on 10/20/2004 9:21:09 AM PDT by no dems (NICE GUYS FINISH LAST !!! GET RADICAL.)
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To: tobyhill

It's an exact quote. Both The Weekly Standard and The Washington Post have quoted him from '94.

Bush needs to use this quote on the campaign trail.

People have already heard that Kerry voted for the war but against funding the troops a gazillion times.


13 posted on 10/20/2004 9:21:23 AM PDT by Peach (The Clintons pardoned more terrorists than they ever captured or killed.)
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To: Peach
Any flag but the Stars & Stripes for sKerry!


14 posted on 10/20/2004 9:21:24 AM PDT by Lady Jag (Used to be sciencediet but found the solution)
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To: Peach
It doesn't matter. Nothing Kerry says or has said seems to matter. The Kerry zombies have had their minds made up for them already and nothing will change it. As for the undecided, if they haven't made up thier mind by now there is little hope for them to be swayed by any Kerry comment now.

If we want to see a Bush victory we will have to get out the Republican vote like never before in our history. A 60 or 65% turnout will not do it. With so much at stake, any registered Republican who is able and doesn't vote isn't worth the space they take up on our planet.

15 posted on 10/20/2004 9:22:21 AM PDT by Russ
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To: Se7eN
Kerry could molest a child, rob a bank, burn a church and commit a hate crime and the media wouldn't even take notice.

They'd notice, just not report it.

16 posted on 10/20/2004 9:22:31 AM PDT by b4its2late (John John Kerry Edwards change positions more often than a Nevada prostitute!!!)
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To: Peach
Dubya should verify this and use it big time.

Apparently my opponent believes that the oath of office is to the United Nations. On Jan. 20, 2001, I took an oath to the United States of America. I will repeat that oath to the United States of America on Jan. 20, 2005.

17 posted on 10/20/2004 9:22:42 AM PDT by doug from upland (Michael Moore = a culinary Pinocchio ---- tell a lie, gain a pound.)
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To: ChuckShick

Outstanding. Thanks very much for the link!


18 posted on 10/20/2004 9:22:53 AM PDT by Prime Choice (The Leftists think they can tax us into "prosperity" and regulate us into "liberty.")
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To: Peach

Is this the essence of Kerry's Global Test. If the United Nations is NOT involved then there is NO justification for United States military action -- preemptive or otherwise. Only with the United Nations involved would the commitment of United States military forces be justified. Actually, Kerry even violated this "test" when he voted against the commitment of our military in oust Saddam from Kuwait in 1991.


19 posted on 10/20/2004 9:23:47 AM PDT by Pharlap
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To: Russ

It will only matter to the handful of undecideds, probably. And security moms who are on the fence.

I urge freepers to call your local Republican office and ask what you can do to get the vote out and to combat voter fraud.

I've been volunteering for our Republican Headquarters and have loved it. I meet great people and it helps with my frustration level that "there's nothing we can do."

There is a LOT we can do but not if we're the silent majority.


20 posted on 10/20/2004 9:24:20 AM PDT by Peach (The Clintons pardoned more terrorists than they ever captured or killed.)
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To: Peach

People people people. I think we can stop the charade.

John Kerry is anti-military. His constituency is anti-military. They could care less if he spit on the monument of General George Washington. Actually this would make them happy.

So do not think you are changing the equation one iota by "discovering" new allegations of Kerry misconduct towards the military.

The anti-military pro-illegal drug pro-narcissism (fetal cell research is really for narcisstic reasons) anti-Israel anti-capitalism crowd could not care less.


21 posted on 10/20/2004 9:24:38 AM PDT by kinghorse
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To: Peach

22 posted on 10/20/2004 9:24:59 AM PDT by Prime Choice (The Leftists think they can tax us into "prosperity" and regulate us into "liberty.")
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To: Peach

BTTT


23 posted on 10/20/2004 9:26:05 AM PDT by OldFriend (It's the soldier, not the reporter who has given US freedom of the press)
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To: Peach

The link to the WashPost article from today ragarding this is here.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A46225-2004Oct19.html


24 posted on 10/20/2004 9:26:07 AM PDT by trashcanbred (Anti-social and anti-socialist)
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To: Prime Choice

That nailed Kerry to a tee.


25 posted on 10/20/2004 9:26:08 AM PDT by Peach (The Clintons pardoned more terrorists than they ever captured or killed.)
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To: Se7eN

Just like Clinton. The media wanted him...and we got him...a rapist at least and he dishonored the Oval Office. Did anyone hear Ann Coulter on Joe Scarborough last night. She really gave it to Clinton and Kerry.


26 posted on 10/20/2004 9:26:08 AM PDT by queenkathy
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To: trashcanbred

Thank you so much for that link!


27 posted on 10/20/2004 9:26:33 AM PDT by Peach (The Clintons pardoned more terrorists than they ever captured or killed.)
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To: Peach

It is a pretty harsh article on Kerry... the problem is the Kerry supporters probably believe this with him...


28 posted on 10/20/2004 9:27:56 AM PDT by trashcanbred (Anti-social and anti-socialist)
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To: prairiebreeze; Mo1

ping to new Kerry comments unearthed.


29 posted on 10/20/2004 9:28:32 AM PDT by Peach (The Clintons pardoned more terrorists than they ever captured or killed.)
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To: Peach
Dying for the United Nations [Bill Kristol]

Kerry's belief in working with allies runs so deep that he has maintained that the loss of American life can be better justified if it occurs in the course of a mission with international support. In 1994, discussing the possibility of U.S. troops being killed in Bosnia, he said, "If you mean dying in the course of the United Nations effort, yes, it is worth that. If you mean dying American troops unilaterally going in with some false presumption that we can affect the outcome, the answer is unequivocally no."

30 posted on 10/20/2004 9:29:28 AM PDT by QQQQQ (Defeat Kerry. Support the SwiftVets. Keep the ads on the air. http://www.swiftvets.com)
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To: Peach
Kerry said that it was acceptable for US troops to die under the UN flag and international effort but not under the US flag.

Screw Kerry.

Screw the UN.

Piss on that damn blue snot rag.

31 posted on 10/20/2004 9:30:12 AM PDT by OldSmaj (Islam is a false religion. It's adherents and followers are doomed to hell.)
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To: Peach
Also interesting that he seems to approve of a volunteer army only if it is under the control of the UN.

http://www.thecrimson.com/article.aspx?ref=352185"/

"When he approached his draft board for permission to study for a year in Paris, the draft board refused and Kerry decided to enlist in the Navy."

"He supports a volunteer Army, "if and only if we can create the controls for it. You're going to have to prepare for the possibility of a national emergency, however." Kerry said that the United Nations should have control over most of our foreign military operations. "I'm an internationalist. I'd like to see our troops dispersed through the world only at the directive of the United Nations.""

32 posted on 10/20/2004 9:30:31 AM PDT by LZ_Bayonet
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To: Se7eN
Agreed.

Kerry could be on film molesting a five year old boy and the media would ignore it.

People, nothing is going to hurt Kerry this late in the game,the MSM will make sure of that.

We must vote Bush in for a second term to put this insanity behind us.

Only Bushs' reelection will secure a safer America.

Forget Kerry!

Concentrate on the election.

33 posted on 10/20/2004 9:30:43 AM PDT by processing please hold (All I ever need to know about Islam, I learned on 9-11)
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To: QQQQQ; Pukin Dog

That's a devastating quote. The most dedicated leftists won't care, but reasonable Rats will.

PD - is this part of what you thought would come out against Kerry this week or are there more goodies to come?


34 posted on 10/20/2004 9:31:36 AM PDT by Peach (The Clintons pardoned more terrorists than they ever captured or killed.)
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Kerry cares not for America, Kerry only cares for himself


35 posted on 10/20/2004 9:31:58 AM PDT by Legion04
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To: LZ_Bayonet

This bears repeating:

Kerry said that the United Nations should have control over most of our foreign military operations. "I'm an internationalist. I'd like to see our troops dispersed through the world only at the directive of the United Nations.""


36 posted on 10/20/2004 9:32:19 AM PDT by Peach (The Clintons pardoned more terrorists than they ever captured or killed.)
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To: Peach

Kerry is walking a fine line between closely guarded nuance designed for the American voter and the other being a lifetime of anti-American sentiment that if elected will be a mandate for the implementation of his radical and socialist ideals. He will easily be able to say, "I have made my beliefs public since I returned, "as a young man", from Vietnam, and I was elected because of these ideals, I am doing the people's work."


37 posted on 10/20/2004 9:32:33 AM PDT by Toespi
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To: Russ

I AGREE WITH YOU, BUT IF BUSH QUOTES KERRY IT WILL PROVE WHAT HE MEANT WHEN HE SAID "GLOBAL TEST".


38 posted on 10/20/2004 9:33:58 AM PDT by WILDBILLIE
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To: no dems
I have to agree. But it's consistent with Al Gore's position on the same thing, as I recall.
George W. Bush will be reelected by a margin of at least ten per cent

39 posted on 10/20/2004 9:34:40 AM PDT by SunkenCiv ("All I have seen teaches me trust the Creator for all I have not seen." -- Emerson)
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To: Peach; GeronL; Grampa Dave; risk; Robert_Paulson2

I hope the RNC makes some anti-Kerry ads out of his lifelong internationalist fervor.

Start with the Harvard Crimson quotes about only sending the US armed forces abroad with UN approval.

Go to the 1994 sound bites.

Finish with the recent "Global Test" sound bites.


40 posted on 10/20/2004 9:38:25 AM PDT by Travis McGee (----- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com -----)
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To: Peach

And I'd still like to know what Lurch knew about Oil For Food and when he knew it. And what he did with the info.


41 posted on 10/20/2004 9:39:17 AM PDT by mewzilla
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To: Peach
This bears repeating:

"Kerry said that the United Nations should have control over most of our foreign military operations. "I'm an internationalist. I'd like to see our troops dispersed through the world only at the directive of the United Nations.""

After reading my post over, I was just going to re-post this as a separate paragraph. This Crimson article, combined with the 1994 article, combined with "global test", (and who knows what other statements) shows a continuing effort to implement an agenda to turn our protection over to the UN.

42 posted on 10/20/2004 9:40:15 AM PDT by LZ_Bayonet
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To: LZ_Bayonet

You should start a separate thread on that statement and include links to the comments he made in '94 as reported by the Washington Post today.

Off topic:

Teresa says that Laura Bush hasn't had a real job since she's been an adult.


43 posted on 10/20/2004 9:42:01 AM PDT by Peach (The Clintons pardoned more terrorists than they ever captured or killed.)
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To: Peach

I guess this is part of his Global Test huh?


44 posted on 10/20/2004 9:42:02 AM PDT by Mo1 (This Sept 10th attitude is no way to protect our country)
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To: Peach
In 1994, discussing the possibility of U.S. troops being killed in Bosnia, he said, "If you mean dying in the course of the United Nations effort, yes, it is worth that. If you mean dying American troops unilaterally going in with some false presumption that we can affect the outcome, the answer is unequivocally no."

Apart from the U.N. angle, note how, even in Bosnia, Kerry is so utterly drenched in defeatism that he actually believed that the U.S. did not have the military might to "affect the outcome".

The fact of the matter turned out to be that, without the U.S., European U.N. troops found themselves handcuffed to bridges, to lamposts and to each other.

Once the U.S. came in, the outcome of the war in Bosnia was dictated by the U.S.


45 posted on 10/20/2004 9:42:45 AM PDT by Polybius
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To: Mo1

He can run but he can't hide!

I love how he pretends he's been misquoted or misunderstood.

If the president doesn't use this and change some of his lines, it will be a big mistake.


46 posted on 10/20/2004 9:45:15 AM PDT by Peach (The Clintons pardoned more terrorists than they ever captured or killed.)
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To: Se7eN
Don't you know that only evil conservatives commit hate crimes?? <g>
47 posted on 10/20/2004 9:47:12 AM PDT by NewJerseyJoe (Rat mantra: "Facts are meaningless! You can use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true!")
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To: doug from upland
"If you mean dying in the course of the United Nations effort, yes, it is worth that. If you mean dying American troops unilaterally going in with some false presumption that we can affect the outcome, the answer is unequivocally no."

I guess im dense. But reading this quote, it sounds like Kerry is basically saying that American deaths under the UN flag is better than American deaths under an American flag but for a reason not deemed worthy to him. If I understand that, how is this news? He has always stated this and as far as I can tell, still insinuates this in everything he says.

48 posted on 10/20/2004 9:49:21 AM PDT by smith288 (Only if Al Qaeda was a debate team would they be scared of Kerry... Bush 04)
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To: smith288

Limbaugh just played the audio clip of the sound bite.


49 posted on 10/20/2004 9:51:08 AM PDT by mewzilla
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To: Peach

Rush playing 1994 sound clip now. Wow.


50 posted on 10/20/2004 9:51:22 AM PDT by jdm
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