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Jimmy Carter: American Revolution Was 'Unnecessary'
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Posted on 10/20/2004 10:18:10 AM PDT by lnbchip

Jimmy Carter: American Revolution Was 'Unnecessary'

Recently we described Jimmy Carter as the worst president of the past 100 years. We apologize.

He's the worst president ever.

In trying to compare the American Revolution to the war in Iraq, here's what the jug-headed Georgian said to fellow Democrat Chris Matthews on "Hardball" Monday night, according to MSNBC's own transcript:

'A Little More Sensitive'

Well, one parallel is that the Revolutionary War, more than any other war up until recently, has been the most bloody war we've fought. I think another parallel is that in some ways the Revolutionary War could have been avoided. It was an unnecessary war.

Had the British Parliament been a little more sensitive to the colonials' really legitimate complaints and requests the war could have been avoided completely, and of course now we would have been a free country now as is Canada and India and Australia, having gotten our independence in a nonviolent way.

I think in many ways the British were very misled in going to war against America and in trying to enforce their will on people who were quite different from them at the time.

Does the catastrophic ex-prez really think the war in Iraq is bloodier than the Vietnam War, the Korean War, World War II, World War I, the Civil War ...?

Note to Jimmy: Canada did not begin to gain independence until 1867. Australia did not receive partial independence as a commonwealth until 1901. India did not gain independence until 1947, and all the Indians who were killed by the British would hardly describe their deaths as "nonviolent."


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To: WoodstockCat

Roger that ~ Bump!


51 posted on 10/20/2004 10:40:59 AM PDT by blackie (Be Well~Be Armed~Be Safe~Molon Labe!)
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To: dts32041

Speaking of bunnies.....We need the pancake!


52 posted on 10/20/2004 10:41:03 AM PDT by Repub4bush
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To: Reagan Man
On that same Hardball show, Ron Suskind spent 20 minutes talking about how President Bush thinks he is the messiah and how Bush ignores all facts because he is hearing the voice of God... Matthews was willing putty. Suskind article
53 posted on 10/20/2004 10:43:49 AM PDT by Bryher1
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To: Grampa Dave
"I nearly had a car accident."

Drive down there to GA and do some chit-hooks on the idiots front lawn!!!

54 posted on 10/20/2004 10:44:00 AM PDT by SierraWasp (The demeaning of America's morale... Why can't people see it's "an inside job?")
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To: elbucko
"Jimmy" needs to pass on to the "other side".

He did. Then he came back. You forgot to take into account his having seen UFO's.

55 posted on 10/20/2004 10:44:39 AM PDT by Robert Drobot (God, family, country. All else is meaningless.)
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To: SierraWasp

Will do! :-D


56 posted on 10/20/2004 10:44:58 AM PDT by freepertoo
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To: LittleLassieDog

Naw....
Cigars & Sinks & Knee Pads & Blue Dresses & Black Berets.....


57 posted on 10/20/2004 10:47:30 AM PDT by buffyt (We can fight terrorism THERE ~ or we can face terrorists HERE. I prefer over there.)
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To: lnbchip
Had the British Parliament been a little more sensitive to the colonials' really legitimate complaints and requests the war could have been avoided completely, and of course now we would have been a free country now as is Canada and India and Australia, having gotten our independence in a nonviolent way.

Possibly true, but tact would only have smoothed over the crisis for a short while. In the long run, Britain would have been required either to extend parliamentary representation to the American colonies or invent the notion of a quasi-autonomous, self-governing dominion a couple of generations earlier than it did. Canada and Australia are not good parallels because they remained small in population and economically subordinate to the mother country throughout the 19th century. The explosive growth of the American colonies meant that a subordinate status could not have been long maintained.

One of my idle speculations is what would have happened had the Brits given the colonies representation in parliament. By the mid to late 19th century, the Americas would have been outvoting Britain in a transatlantic United Kingdom.

58 posted on 10/20/2004 10:47:57 AM PDT by sphinx
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To: lnbchip
Jimmy Carter obviously is going senile

His wife needs to intervene.

I'm serious. He is a former President after all and his wife needs to stop him from embarrassing himself.

This is like the fourth time in as many months he has made a ass of himself.

59 posted on 10/20/2004 10:48:53 AM PDT by Popman (Democrat Party Political Values are Condescension, Hypocrisy, Bigotry)
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To: lnbchip
Well, one parallel is that the Revolutionary War, more than any other war up until recently, has been the most bloody war we've fought.

Idiot. He must be the ONLY Southerner who's nevr heard of the Civil War!

60 posted on 10/20/2004 10:49:18 AM PDT by pgkdan
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To: buffyt

"I am a 12th cousin of George Washington and I think he, Reagan, and Bush are the best presidents we have ever had."

I once visited Mount Vernon and was stunned to discover a little known vignette about Washington. There is a key in a case near Washington's front door. The key is the very key that opened the gates to the Bastille. LaFayette gave the key to Washington as a gift, because, he said, it rightfully belonged to "the Father of Liberty".

Later, LaFayette himself was so disgusted with the outcome of the horrific French Revolution that he had himself interred in "free soil" shipped to France from America.

Now there was a Frenchman to admire!


61 posted on 10/20/2004 10:51:06 AM PDT by bowzer313
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To: Foolsgold

http://www.usembassy-mexico.gov/bbf/bfdosi2.htm

The following text comes from the above link "Treaty negotiations led to a declaration of principles signed in 1973 by Secretary of State Henry Kissinger."

But yea, let's blame the whole thing on Carter.

The maroons are the ones who think that Carter did the whole thing by himself in 18 months.

But why bother letting facts intrude on a Carter-bash.


62 posted on 10/20/2004 10:51:11 AM PDT by dmz
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To: lnbchip

The American Revolution was unnecessary?

The liberals must all have a foot fetish!
Every time they open their mouths, they put their foot in it!!! LMAO


63 posted on 10/20/2004 10:56:33 AM PDT by kellynla (U.S.M.C. 1/5 1st Mar Div. Nam 69&70 Semper Fi http://www.vietnamveteransagainstjohnkerry.com)
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To: lnbchip
Had the British Parliament been a little more sensitive...

If only and buts were candy and nuts, oh what a merry Christmas it would be!

Shut up loser!

64 posted on 10/20/2004 10:58:06 AM PDT by mc5cents (Always trust your fellow man, and always cut the cards)
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To: lnbchip
"Unnecessary" is the euphemistic way to describe Jimmy Carter. He was not only unneeded, he was inexcusable.
65 posted on 10/20/2004 10:58:12 AM PDT by .cnI redruM ("Two Kerrys for the two Americas.")
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To: lnbchip

Jimmy is obviously suffering from some mental delusions.. He is getting too old and needs to go retire somewhere quite before he says something that really is stupid... hahahhaha....


66 posted on 10/20/2004 11:04:27 AM PDT by tomnbeverly (Kerry will bring the Big Dig to Washington in the form of Healthcare becasue thats what liberals do)
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To: lnbchip

I pretty much agree with him, except that the Civil War and WWII were far bloodier.


67 posted on 10/20/2004 11:04:32 AM PDT by Aquinasfan (Isaiah 22:22, Rev 3:7, Mat 16:19)
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To: dts32041
"Oh go suck a rabbit, ex naval officer, figures."

When I was the in the Marine Corps the Corps was very dependent on the Navy to accomplish this missions.

Everything the Navy did when I was in the military was done with honor and courage.

I think the same is true today.

One dumb as a rock apple does not spoil the fine reputation of the rest of the bushel.

68 posted on 10/20/2004 11:07:43 AM PDT by TYVets (First and Last rule when interpreting a Poll, who paid for it?)
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To: lnbchip
"Well, one parallel is that the Revolutionary War, more than any other war up until recently, has been the most bloody war we've fought."

Carter's ignorance knows no bounds.

69 posted on 10/20/2004 11:08:01 AM PDT by Redbob
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To: lnbchip
Jimmy was educated way beyond his intelligence and therefore statements like this are to be expected.

I think he would gain more credibility if he launched a line of Peanut Oil based sexual lubricants.

70 posted on 10/20/2004 11:08:12 AM PDT by FatLoser
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To: mc5cents
Had the British Parliament been a little more sensitive...

And if my aunt had you-know-what, she'd be my uncle.

71 posted on 10/20/2004 11:09:48 AM PDT by dfwgator (It's sad that the news media treats Michael Jackson better than our military.)
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To: WoodstockCat

When Carter get the Peace award....I recalled that Arafat
also got one....Jimmy boy is a world class ass...he said
he was proud to be sitting next to Michael Moore at the
Dem convention......guess he gets used to B.O....if he likes
sitting next to Mr. Clean- Moore???????? Jake


72 posted on 10/20/2004 11:10:16 AM PDT by sanjacjake
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To: lnbchip

Please tell me this is a joke. I mean I know it's from Newsmax so the source is questionable to begin with. But this is really just too over the top to make up.


73 posted on 10/20/2004 11:10:22 AM PDT by Tempest (Click on my name for a long list of press contacts)
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To: lnbchip

carterweb@emory.edu


74 posted on 10/20/2004 11:12:05 AM PDT by Redbob
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To: bowzer313

Viva the memory of Lafayette.


75 posted on 10/20/2004 11:12:14 AM PDT by freepertoo
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To: lnbchip

Jimmy submitted this to the "Global Test" and England objected.


76 posted on 10/20/2004 11:14:15 AM PDT by DannyTN
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To: Aquinasfan

It's an argument that doesn't hold water because the founders obviously considered every option before taking the course of action they did. If this had been an option, I'm sure they'd have tried it (and, in fact, negotiations HAD been tried). And there WAS a vigorous debate about independence in the Continental Congress...the ultimate vote was for war and ultimately independence. Thank God!


77 posted on 10/20/2004 11:14:17 AM PDT by freepertoo
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To: bowzer313

GWB made Lafayette an honorary U.S. citizen in August 2002.


78 posted on 10/20/2004 11:14:47 AM PDT by angkor
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To: Aquinasfan
I pretty much agree with him, except that the Civil War and WWII were far bloodier.

What exactly do you agree with him on?

And werent WWI and Vietnam far bloodier? How about Korea?

79 posted on 10/20/2004 11:15:05 AM PDT by Phantom Lord (Advantages are taken, not handed out)
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To: sphinx

Plus, Canada, Austraila, New Zealand, et. al. are still not completely sovereign. The Queen is still their Sovereign and legally still holds power, although she chooses not to. The Governor General of Canada still can legally be removed by the Queen and the Queen can still disolve parliament in Canada and Austrailia. The Crown still holds the cards; I guess Jimmy wishes the Crown still held the cards here, too.


80 posted on 10/20/2004 11:15:41 AM PDT by Galena Nevada
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To: lnbchip

I like Jimmy Carter as a human being, but to suggest Canada is a free country is silly. It doesn't have a BOR and firearms ownership is under heavy attack.


81 posted on 10/20/2004 11:16:01 AM PDT by society-by-contract
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To: angkor

Do you know I didn't know that! All RIGHT, Monsieur, er, I mean MISTER Lafayette!!


82 posted on 10/20/2004 11:16:48 AM PDT by freepertoo
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To: freepertoo
It's an argument that doesn't hold water because the founders obviously considered every option before taking the course of action they did.

I don't think the war met the criteria for a just war, specifically "right authority," "last resort," and "proportionality." You're entitled to your own judgement.

83 posted on 10/20/2004 11:18:48 AM PDT by Aquinasfan (Isaiah 22:22, Rev 3:7, Mat 16:19)
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To: lnbchip

The Revolution was necessary, it was PRESIDENT Carter that was unnecessary.


84 posted on 10/20/2004 11:20:23 AM PDT by CWOJackson
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To: lnbchip

Carter is the worst pres. EVER. he cost me my job of twenty years and I BECAME A Reagan dem./REPUBLICAN and have never looked back.
His double digit int. rate bankrupted many companies.


85 posted on 10/20/2004 11:21:52 AM PDT by grounhog ( grounhog)
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To: lnbchip
Ever notice how, according to some, it's OK for Carter to say "nucular" but not for W?

Dear Jimmah: some would say you're unnecessary. But I think you were a great object lesson in failed leadership.

86 posted on 10/20/2004 11:21:52 AM PDT by the invisib1e hand (do not remove this tag under penalty of law.)
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To: Phantom Lord
And werent WWI and Vietnam far bloodier? How about Korea?

WWII. Don't know about Korea and Vietnam, as far as deaths as a percentage of the population goes. See my reply above.

87 posted on 10/20/2004 11:22:51 AM PDT by Aquinasfan (Isaiah 22:22, Rev 3:7, Mat 16:19)
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To: lnbchip

LaFayette: An American born overseas.
Carter: An anti-American hatched at home.

Goes to show, what immigration problem? Immigrants are great!



Random notes: Over the years, I've come to change my opinion on the Canal treaty; it was definately gunboat diplomacy at its worst. Giving it up fixed one of the biggest mistakes we made (even if everyone benefited from it, how we did it was wrong). However, my flexible morals say "no" to reversing the Treaty of Guadalupe-Hidalgo. Some things are too broke to fix, that Zimmerman guy notwithstanding.

I can't take blame for Jimmy; I was only 14 when he was elected.

And in a manner of speaking, Ford was right, insofar as Poland was concerned. Which was the first Soviet state to defy the Russians? Poland, in '81(?) with the formation of Solidarity. (Whoops, no, Hungary, 1956. *Rumble* sez the tank. Ok, the first to get away with it, then.)

Of course, that requires a Kerryesque stretch to believe...


88 posted on 10/20/2004 11:24:05 AM PDT by ubu (puncturer of balloons--usually my own....)
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To: lnbchip

I can't understand why my girlfriend still thinks Carter was our best President.


89 posted on 10/20/2004 11:27:47 AM PDT by RockinRight (Bush's rallies look like World Series games. Kerry's rallies look like Little League games.)
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To: lnbchip

Not only that, but Sam Adams and John Hancock lied - it wasn't a war for liberty, it was a war for whale oil.


90 posted on 10/20/2004 11:27:53 AM PDT by Argus
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To: RockinRight

Was she around when he made us set our thermostats to 68 degrees in the winter?


91 posted on 10/20/2004 11:28:38 AM PDT by freepertoo
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To: lnbchip

Technically, he's right.
When the Revolutionary War broke out, the Brits had some folks on a ship on their way to colonies to discuss a fix for the "no taxation without representation" issue. IIRC they were prepared to give the colonies representation in Parliament and possibly roll back some of the more onerous parts of the Navigation acts.
However, it was still a GOOD thing.


92 posted on 10/20/2004 11:29:16 AM PDT by Little Ray (John Ffing sKerry: Just a gigolo!)
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To: freepertoo

Well, she was born in 1979.


93 posted on 10/20/2004 11:29:19 AM PDT by RockinRight (Bush's rallies look like World Series games. Kerry's rallies look like Little League games.)
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To: lnbchip

Watching Jimma Carter last night on TV, I got to thinking that something reeks to high heaven----he's insane---why does MSM keep showing us this lunatic loser nightmare of a president?

Could it be that 'someone' wants us to equate 'Carter' with 'Kerry'? ie. that Kerry equals the WORST PRESIDENT in U.S. History?! Who benefits from such a strategery?

Hhnm...


94 posted on 10/20/2004 11:29:37 AM PDT by reagandemocrat (I'm an internationalist. I'd like to see our troops dispersed through the world only by the U.N.)
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To: lnbchip
a little more sensitive
Oh jeez - back to the FEELINGS again???
95 posted on 10/20/2004 11:30:43 AM PDT by cgk (Teresa Heinz Kerry: ``The Democratic machine in this country is putrid.'')
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To: Little Ray

Perhaps if Paine hadn't written Common Sense it might have gone a different way. I'm not a great admirer of Paine, but thank the Lord he wrote that pamphlet! (saying thank the Lord and Paine in the same sentence just made Mr. Paine roll over, I think).


96 posted on 10/20/2004 11:32:11 AM PDT by freepertoo
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To: Sthitch

Will boiled peanuts do? They're ALMOST as nasty.

97 posted on 10/20/2004 11:32:30 AM PDT by AnAmericanMother (. . . Ministrix of ye Chace (recess appointment), TTGC Ladies' Auxiliary . . .)
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To: RockinRight

Ah-HAH! :-D You hadda be there.


98 posted on 10/20/2004 11:33:15 AM PDT by freepertoo
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To: talleyman
what a maroon?

He was purple?
99 posted on 10/20/2004 11:50:43 AM PDT by Ptaz
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To: lnbchip

The lunacy and disaster of the Carter presidency, the Iranian hostage crisis, and the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan could have been completely avoided - if Reagan had been nominated by the GOP in '76.

Minus the Soviet invasion of Afganistan...who knows...maybe 9/11 never would have happened. The Cold War might have ended sooner as well.

100 posted on 10/20/2004 11:50:47 AM PDT by HowlinglyMind-BendingAbsurdity
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