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Being George Steinbrenner
ESPN ^ | 10/21/04 | Page 2 Staff, ESPN

Posted on 10/21/2004 10:38:11 AM PDT by misterrob

Being George Steinbrenner

Biggest choke in sports history by the team with the biggest payroll in the biggest rivalry in sports. Needless to say it's a safe bet that George Steinbrenner is well on his way to insanity. Page 2 looks inside Steinbrenner's head to find out just how far along he is:



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SWEEEEETEEEEEW!!!!!!
1 posted on 10/21/2004 10:38:11 AM PDT by misterrob
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To: misterrob

George is getting angry!


2 posted on 10/21/2004 10:38:53 AM PDT by counterpunch (The CouNTeRPuNcH Collection - www.counterpunch.us)
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To: counterpunch

Quick! Get him a calzone!


3 posted on 10/21/2004 10:39:54 AM PDT by West Coast Conservative
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To: West Coast Conservative

Who could feel sorry for the Yankees and their fans after all the success they enjoyed? Deal with it, George.


4 posted on 10/21/2004 10:42:07 AM PDT by Callahan
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To: counterpunch

Joe Torre your FIRED.


5 posted on 10/21/2004 10:42:12 AM PDT by embedded_rebel
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To: misterrob

As a relatively disinterested Mets fan, I must point out that all the way back in Spring Training, the Yankees' central worry was their October pitching. And that's what bit them in the butt last night.


6 posted on 10/21/2004 10:42:16 AM PDT by NativeNewYorker (Don't blame me. I voted for Sharpton.)
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To: misterrob

I saw on TV that George sprained his arm and is having trouble writing checks. :)


7 posted on 10/21/2004 10:42:40 AM PDT by lyingisbetter ("Let's wait Kerry or let's go Bush")
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To: West Coast Conservative

"Quick! Get him a calzone!"


---That was one of my favorite episodes of Seinfeld


9 posted on 10/21/2004 10:43:30 AM PDT by MichelleWSC
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To: misterrob

The Emporer might not be dead yet, but he sure is on his way. I'm predicting a Sox sweep of the WS. They've already made history in the past 2 nights, why not push for one more? Ha!!!


10 posted on 10/21/2004 10:44:17 AM PDT by PappyM (Another Service Member In Support Of The Commander In Chief!!!)
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To: misterrob
It's those ex-Rangers.

A-Rod and Kevin Brown did nothing for the Yankees in the Red Sox series.

11 posted on 10/21/2004 10:44:18 AM PDT by sinkspur ("If you're always talking, I can't get in a word edge-wise." God Himself.)
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To: embedded_rebel
Joe Torre your FIRED.

If Steinbrenner were to do something that foolish, I'm sure the Mets would be glad to hire Torre.

12 posted on 10/21/2004 10:45:30 AM PDT by malakhi
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To: misterrob

13 posted on 10/21/2004 10:47:11 AM PDT by Lunatic Fringe (http://www.drunkenbuffoonery.com/mboards/)
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To: sinkspur
A-Rod and Kevin Brown did nothing for the Yankees in the Red Sox series.

Not true. AROD had a decent series, batting about .300 with 2 HR and 7 RBIs or so. Brown on the other hand was total garbage. He's on the boss's short list of players to kick to the curb (if anyone would ever take his contract).

14 posted on 10/21/2004 10:49:08 AM PDT by GAGOPSWEEPTOVICTORY
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To: misterrob
Biggest choke in sports history ....

Some folks may agree with that statement. I don't. Need I remind people.

26 World Series Championships and 39 AL pennants.

The New York Yankees are the most successful sports team/franchise in the history of sports. Boston deserves all the credit for coming back down three games to none and winning the series. But this is only one season.

The Yankees will be back and they will be champs again. Btw, George Steinbrenner is a great owner. He has put together some of the best teams in baseball history. Look for the Yanks to pick up at least two quality starters for next season.

15 posted on 10/21/2004 10:50:46 AM PDT by Reagan Man (.....................................................The Choice is Clear....... Re-elect BUSH-CHENEY)
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To: malakhi

Joe Torre is a class act and an example of how to manage in times of crisis. He's brought Steinbrenner three championships, took a relatively weak Yankee team to a 4th series in 2001 and lost to a team with Randy Johnson and Curt Schilling, both players he made major efforts to obtain in later years, and a series against a Marlins team with hot pitching.

He's a whiney spoiled little boy who thinks that the Series belongs to him. Cashman and Torre should tell him to stick his job up his ass. Several teams would take those guys in a heartbeat. George went out and pissed away major money as well as his farm system and really, it looks bleak for them in the upcoming years.


16 posted on 10/21/2004 10:51:09 AM PDT by misterrob
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To: Reagan Man

Not likely....he's just about stuck at $200 million next year in payroll, he's in major luxury tax bracket and with baseball's socialistic policies, he has to revenue share.

He wants:

Beltran, Richie Sexton, Mike Lowell, Carl Pavano and Brad Radke. Signing even 3 of these guys means another $30-35 million and at some point, the dam breaks. Plus, signing free agents means you lose your first round draft picks which that farm system cannot afford to lose.

They won in the 90's with home grown talent. The free agents have helped but not won them a championship. Now they are stuck with Brown (trade), Giambi, Musina, Sheffield, A-Rod and Jeter contracts. Still good players but untradeable.


17 posted on 10/21/2004 10:57:45 AM PDT by misterrob
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To: FrankWild
I'm just waiting for him to fire future Hall-of-Fame player and manager, Joe Torre. It's the way George does things.

And then you can wait 1/2 a season or so for him to RE-hire Torre. Then he'll fire him again, then he'll RE-re-hire him.

It's the way the worlds biggest jack@ss (a.k.a. Steinbrenner) does things.

18 posted on 10/21/2004 10:58:04 AM PDT by Sicon
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To: misterrob


The with exception of the Red Sox, the Yankees have had the luxury of being in a very weak divsion, that has allowed them to get away with weak pitching. With a pitching staff whose average age is around 38, the Yankees are at a point they can no longer obtain quick fixes.


19 posted on 10/21/2004 10:58:40 AM PDT by RFT1
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To: Reagan Man
Biggest choke in sports history .... Some folks may agree with that statement. I don't. Need I remind people. 26 World Series Championships and 39 AL pennants.

Um, no, you DON'T need to remind anyone. One of the reasons people dislike the Yankees, and even more so, their fans, is because of their tendency to "remind" everyone of their past success.

Besides, if the Yankees had won every World Series since the dawn of time, it wouldn't change the fact that they CHOKED, BIG TIME! Their 26 World Series and 39 pennants don't erase that reality. They blew what up until last night had been an insurmountable lead.

But that's what you get when you spend $190 million on a bunch of all-stars who are far more interested in their own incomes, careers, and images, than they are in being part of a team. Money can buy you talent (and lots of drooling, fist-pumping morons in the stands), but it can't buy you heart.

20 posted on 10/21/2004 11:03:00 AM PDT by Sicon
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To: Sicon

Torre has too much class and self respect to tolerate that crap.


21 posted on 10/21/2004 11:05:02 AM PDT by misterrob
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To: RFT1

Angelos of the Orioles is an idiot. He has put bad people into the front office and spent his money follishly. Toronto is playing MoneyBall and we will see them reemerge in a few years. Tampa is chronically pathetic...


22 posted on 10/21/2004 11:06:51 AM PDT by misterrob
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To: misterrob

Yeah, you're probably right about that. He is a good guy, and I do hope he does well, wherever he ends up.


23 posted on 10/21/2004 11:08:01 AM PDT by Sicon
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To: Callahan
Absolutely. I think the Yankees have been to WS 22 times? Whatever it is, they've been there enough and I'd like to see someone new in it. (I felt the same way about the Bulls year after year after boring year).

Go Astros! And if the Astros don't make it, then go Cards!

24 posted on 10/21/2004 11:10:56 AM PDT by dougherty (I saw the angel in the marble and carved until I set him free. - Michelangelo)
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To: Sicon
One of the reasons people dislike the Yankees, and even more so, their fans, is because of their tendency to "remind" everyone of their past success.

Well, yes that and having the riot police go onto the field because they cannot act civilized. Sheesh, after that display I'm not surprised NY is a democrat stronghold!

25 posted on 10/21/2004 11:16:11 AM PDT by dougherty (I saw the angel in the marble and carved until I set him free. - Michelangelo)
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To: misterrob
>>>>Not likely....

What's not likely? That the Yanks are done?! LOL

>>>>They won in the 90's with home grown talent.

It was a mix of home grown talent and stars. The success of the Yanks has spread throughout baseball. All the successful teams have tried to copy the Yankees for years. Some have done it right. Some haven't. But the fact remains. The Yanks management, front office and scouting operations, are the best in MLBB. This year on the field, the Yanks were stopped by a better team. Boston won fair and square. Congrats to the Red Sox.

But the Yanks aren't stuck with anyone. A healthy Giambi will be back in the lineup next year and there are no plans to trade any of the big name stars at this point. Although, if Kevin Brown doesn't stay healthy, he could be gone. The starting pitching wasn't up to championship standards this year. That will change next year.

Frankly, I think you hate the Yanks and thats too bad.

26 posted on 10/21/2004 11:18:28 AM PDT by Reagan Man (.....................................................The Choice is Clear....... Re-elect BUSH-CHENEY)
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To: Sicon
>>>>... you DON'T need to remind anyone. One of the reasons people dislike the Yankees, and even more so, their fans, is because of their tendency to "remind" everyone of their past success.

Typical rhetoric from another Yankee hater. How can anyone overlook the success of the NY Yankees? Its reality. Just like the Raiders and the Cowboys. Year in and year out, the Yanks have been one of the very best teams in baseball.

>>>>But that's what you get when you spend $190 million on a bunch of all-stars who are far more interested in their own incomes, careers, and images, than they are in being part of a team.

That's silly. A-Rod and Sheffield came to the Yanks to win a championship. Both players are known for their unselfish desire to win!

27 posted on 10/21/2004 11:25:53 AM PDT by Reagan Man (.....................................................The Choice is Clear....... Re-elect BUSH-CHENEY)
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To: Reagan Man
What you don't seem to understand is that the Yankees success over the years ADDS to the perception of them choking like no other. They are, as you wrote, the most successful franchise in baseball, been in a string of post season appearances, with the highest payroll in the game, at home, after leading the series 3-0, against the same team they beat in the seventh game last year, AND STILL MANAGED TO COLLAPSE LIKE NO OTHER TEAM IN THE HISTORY OF BASEBALL!!!!!!!!!
28 posted on 10/21/2004 11:34:26 AM PDT by SoCal Pubbie
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To: Reagan Man

Giambi is heading downhill and yes, they are stuck with some huge contracts. The core of that team, Posada, Williams, Jeter, Petite, Rivera weren't bought players. They were scouted well and developed. key players like O'Neil, Knobloch, Nelson, Stanton were acquired but with smart thinking. Matsui has been great but A-Rod was a dumb move just to spite the Sox and Brown was also a desperation move.

Cashmen is great but steinbrenner is his own worst enemy and the team will be paying that bill for years to come. He is repeating his mistakes from the 80's all over again.


29 posted on 10/21/2004 11:34:43 AM PDT by misterrob
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To: misterrob
The Expos are going all the way in 2005, baby!

What?

Oh.

Never mind.

30 posted on 10/21/2004 11:38:48 AM PDT by Dont Mention the War (How important a Senator can you be if Dick Cheney's never told you to "go [bleep] yourself"?)
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To: Reagan Man
The Yankees will be back

So they got the flu. It will make them appreciate their health all the more when they get better.

31 posted on 10/21/2004 11:38:55 AM PDT by RightWhale (Withdraw from the 1967 UN Outer Space Treaty and establish property rights)
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To: Reagan Man

Didn't the Red Sox only get in the playoffs in the first place because of the damned wild card?


32 posted on 10/21/2004 11:40:45 AM PDT by Dont Mention the War (How important a Senator can you be if Dick Cheney's never told you to "go [bleep] yourself"?)
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To: misterrob

Paying those two pitchers last night $15million apiece per year tells me someone is crazy.


33 posted on 10/21/2004 11:41:45 AM PDT by 1Old Pro
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To: SoCal Pubbie
>>>>What you don't seem to understand ...

I understand. I understand that people like you hate the Yanks and you're happy they lost. So be it. LOL But the Yanks will be back next season. When you've been in the post season as much as the Yankees have been --- 26 WS Championships & 39 AL Pennants --- there's a good chance that you'll be involved in some losses. Even some historic losses. This time the Yanks came out on the short end. But when you're one of the best organizations around, you take your lumps and come back better and stronger.

34 posted on 10/21/2004 11:45:30 AM PDT by Reagan Man (.....................................................The Choice is Clear....... Re-elect BUSH-CHENEY)
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To: misterrob
Giambi was injured the last two seasons. He'll be back and he'll make a difference next year. And if you want good players on your team, you have to pay the price. In NYCity, that means paying extra to get the best talent around.

>>>>The core of that team, Posada, Williams, Jeter, Petite, Rivera weren't bought players.

You're preaching to the choir.

Like I said, what hurt the Yanks this season, especially in the playoffs was startring pitching. The Yanks will get two quality starters for next season and maybe try to fill secondbase with a higher caliber player then Cairo. If they get Beltran for CF, Bernie will go DH full time.

The Yanks will be fine.

35 posted on 10/21/2004 11:53:36 AM PDT by Reagan Man (.....................................................The Choice is Clear....... Re-elect BUSH-CHENEY)
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To: misterrob

Joe Torre has won not 3 but 4 World Series for the Yankees...1996, 1998, 1999 and 2000


36 posted on 10/21/2004 11:55:13 AM PDT by xp38
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To: Dont Mention the War

Yes! But wildcard teams count. Don't forget, Boston won 98 games this year. Third most in MLBB.


37 posted on 10/21/2004 11:55:53 AM PDT by Reagan Man (.....................................................The Choice is Clear....... Re-elect BUSH-CHENEY)
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To: misterrob

Posted earlier on FR:

Hillary!'s Curse-

2001 - Year #1 of Senator Hillary! Rodham Clinton
(N.Y. Yankees lose World Series to AZ Diamondbacks)

2002 - Year #2 of Senator Hillary! Rodham Clinton
(N.Y. Yankees lose Divisional Series to Anaheim Angels)

2003 - Year #3 of Senator Hillary! Rodham Clinton
(N.Y. Yankees lose World Series to Florida Marlins)

2004 - Year #4 of Senator Hillary! Rodham Clinton
(N.Y. Yankees lose ALCS to Boston Red Sox)

The New (York) Curse still going strong....


39 posted on 10/21/2004 12:02:23 PM PDT by Peelod (Perversion is not festive)
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To: misterrob
Kinda hoping Steinbrenner fires Torre, but it's not gonna happen. My team, the Mariners, is looking for a manager. I'm still mourning Piniella.
40 posted on 10/21/2004 12:15:58 PM PDT by Billthedrill
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To: Reagan Man
I do not hate the Yankees. Sometimes I even root for them. However, when your team has just lost, particularly in embarrassing fashion, you do not point to all the titles your team has won over the years. We're talking about this year. I did not point to the 14 titles the Lakers have won when they got whipped by the Pistons this year. And that final series should have been on the all time upset list last night, IMHO. It's a losers response to talk about the past. I notice Notre Dame fans seem to do it a lot these days.

Anyway, the Yankees just committed the biggest collapse in baseball history, that cannot be disputed. The biggest choke, that's debatable, but definitely right up there.

41 posted on 10/21/2004 12:23:21 PM PDT by SoCal Pubbie
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To: Billthedrill
My team, the Mariners, is looking for a manager.

The Mariners announced the hiring of Mike Hargrove yesterday.

42 posted on 10/21/2004 12:26:08 PM PDT by malakhi
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To: Reagan Man

Giambi was a BALCO client. He's got lower joint problems (which is consistant with roid usage) and he's going down hill. His defense sucks and at best, he's a DH.


43 posted on 10/21/2004 12:28:27 PM PDT by misterrob
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To: xp38

That's right, thought that was Showalter.


44 posted on 10/21/2004 12:29:04 PM PDT by misterrob
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To: Reagan Man

The past is not relevant in this case, it was a Chizzz-oke!

No team has ever done what the sox did. Or what the yankees did either.

Each team is essentially new after about 5 years. The fact that they won in the late 90's is meaningless here.


45 posted on 10/21/2004 12:29:19 PM PDT by Conservomax (There are no solutions, only trade-offs.)
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To: Billthedrill

Hargrove was announced


46 posted on 10/21/2004 12:29:49 PM PDT by misterrob
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To: embedded_rebel
"Joe Torre your FIRED. "

Ya got that right. The team looked like it was on sleeping pills and past their bedtime. They watched the fat pitches float by and struck out on stuff outside the strike zone. The Red Sox with superior team play outdid the Yankees all year. Torre the bucks stopped for you.

47 posted on 10/21/2004 12:32:00 PM PDT by ex-snook (Vote for someone who represents your views or your views will be ignored.)
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To: Dont Mention the War

Given the number of teams teh wild card is neeeded. And yes, that is how they got in. after winning almost one hundred games and beating the Yankees 11 out of 19 times this year, let alone crushing the top teams in the west.

The 'Damned' Wild card team has disposed of two division winners.

In 2002 the Wild Card team won it all.


48 posted on 10/21/2004 12:32:03 PM PDT by Conservomax (There are no solutions, only trade-offs.)
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To: RFT1

I disagree, the Blue Jays were supposed to be a good Team this year (god knows what happened there), and if the O's were in the central division they would have given The twins a run.


49 posted on 10/21/2004 12:33:43 PM PDT by Conservomax (There are no solutions, only trade-offs.)
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To: Conservomax
In 2002 the Wild Card team won it all.

The Marlins were the wildcard last year, too.

50 posted on 10/21/2004 12:33:47 PM PDT by malakhi
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