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The SHADOW Behind the Middle East Peace Conference
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Posted on 10/21/2004 8:08:20 PM PDT by TapTheSource

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To: Fedora

"I prefer to start with data that can be established independently of what defectors allege."

Golitsyn let it all hang out when he made those predictions. They were designed to be independently verified. That's why Riebling researched them. His conclusion? 94% of Golitsyn's predictions came to pass (whereas, every other Soviet analyst was completely taken by surprise). Indeed, his prediction about the effect this would have on the EU, NATO and the US are unfolding before our very eyes.

Did you read Golitsyn's books for yourself? If not, the summary of Golitsyn's predictions and analysis I posted above is a good place to start.


51 posted on 10/23/2004 5:52:08 PM PDT by TapTheSource
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To: Fedora

Sorry, that would be post #47


52 posted on 10/23/2004 5:54:36 PM PDT by TapTheSource
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To: TapTheSource

"That's why Riebling researched them. His conclusion? 94% of Golitsyn's predictions came to pass"

I've read Riebling pretty closely and while his work is useful I find flaws in his arguments in a number of places and I disagree with a number of things he says.

Regarding Golitsyn's predictions coming true, keep in mind that a disinformation agent is going to say some things that are true--usually giveaway information which is already known--in order to make the rest of his story seem plausible.

Thanks for the references on Golitsyn. I will check that out when I get a chance.


53 posted on 10/23/2004 6:03:29 PM PDT by Fedora
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To: Fedora

"Regarding Golitsyn's predictions coming true, keep in mind that a disinformation agent is going to say some things that are true--usually giveaway information which is already known--in order to make the rest of his story seem plausible."

Are you saying that Golitsyn, as a potential disinformation agent, could have been telling the truth (at least in part) about the upcoming phony collapse of the Soviet Union? How would accurate predictions of events that would not materialize until 10+ years later help to make the "rest of his story seem plausible?"

I realize you're preoccupied with other things, so if you want to pick this up after the election, that's fine with me--TTS.


54 posted on 10/23/2004 6:12:00 PM PDT by TapTheSource
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To: TapTheSource

"Are you saying that Golitsyn, as a potential disinformation agent, could have been telling the truth (at least in part) about the upcoming phony collapse of the Soviet Union?"

I'm more suggesting along the lines that someone familiar with Communist strategy can make long-term predictions about the unfolding of that strategy which will seem prophetic in retrospect, but this doesn't necessarily imply the person had specific knowledge of the details of how, where, and when that strategy would be implemented.

I will try to discuss this more adequately another time. It's a big subject to try to cover all at once! The whole issue with Golitsyn and the other defectors who came over at that time is quite complicated. I'm not sure even the FBI and CIA ever figured out exactly what the truth was there. There were other defectors saying some of the same stuff Golitsyn was on certain things but contradicting him on others.


55 posted on 10/23/2004 6:31:20 PM PDT by Fedora
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To: Fedora

Fair enough. I look forward to your take on all this--TTS


56 posted on 10/23/2004 6:36:26 PM PDT by TapTheSource
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To: TapTheSource

Thanks for the discussion and the interesting pings! Look forward to talking with you more later.


57 posted on 10/23/2004 6:43:53 PM PDT by Fedora
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To: Destro
"I think you are correct! Communisim has taken root in America - even fooled and tempted a rightous man like Bush - like Satan tempted Adam and Eve. They are the Trotskyite Neo-cons whose coils have this nation in a Satanic vice grip. I have seen the Anti-Christ - and it just may well be us!

Am I making it up? No! It is in the Bible! Where? Read Genisis on! Duh!!"


Your own words expose your lack of understanding.... You have no clue what went on in the Garden Party.... You have no clue who the Anti-christ is.

"IF" you had a clue you would not be filled with FEAR because Christ said these things NEED BE, and neither you nor any other human is going to change what has been written will take place.

Making slanderous statements about President Bush shows the level of your lack of understanding.
58 posted on 10/24/2004 2:10:42 AM PDT by Just mythoughts
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To: TapTheSource

Bookmarked


59 posted on 10/24/2004 2:19:38 AM PDT by Just mythoughts
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To: Just mythoughts

Manchurian Candidate?


60 posted on 10/24/2004 2:50:01 AM PDT by ketchikan (Widen your horizons if you want to survive)
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To: Just mythoughts
The Gordian Knot will be cut with Moshiach's help.
61 posted on 10/24/2004 2:51:45 AM PDT by Bandaneira (The Third Temple/House for All Nations/World Peace Centre...Coming Soon...)
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To: ketchikan

"Manchurian Candidate?"

Are you asking about the Vietnam warlord, JFKerry?


62 posted on 10/24/2004 2:55:02 AM PDT by Just mythoughts
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To: Bandaneira
"The Gordian Knot will be cut with Moshiach's help."


You will have to explain "Gordian Knot". Our Heavenly Father is in control and things are right on schedule.
63 posted on 10/24/2004 2:56:55 AM PDT by Just mythoughts
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To: Just mythoughts
History - The Gordian Knot

The father of gods had ordained that when it came time for the people to select a king, they must choose the first person to ride up to the temple of Zeus in a wagon. Gordius innocently fulfilled the oracle and was made king. (The system might be an improvement over a methods of election held today. Certainly it would eliminate political campaigns). In any event, Gordius seems to have done very well. One of his first acts was to dedicate his wagon to Zeus and to place it near the temple, the yoke tied to the pole by an intricate knot of cornel bark. Another oracle declared that anyone who succeeded in untying the knot would be the conqueror of all Asia. The knot stayed tied until the arrival of Alexander. Then, as everybody knows, he cheated on the oracle by cutting the knot with his sword instead of untying it. Zeus honored his initiative by making the prophecy come true.




I use the idea of the Gordian Knot as a metaphor. The various geometries of consciousness that are swirling around the world right now, and which centre on the Holy Land will settle in the not-too-distant future, thus the "Knot" will be cut forever.
64 posted on 10/24/2004 3:10:19 AM PDT by Bandaneira (The Third Temple/House for All Nations/World Peace Centre...Coming Soon...)
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To: Bandaneira

"I use the idea of the Gordian Knot as a metaphor. The various geometries of consciousness that are swirling around the world right now, and which centre on the Holy Land will settle in the not-too-distant future, thus the "Knot" will be cut forever."

As it is Written, Jerusalem is where we are to watch, and the crowd is beginning to gather.


65 posted on 10/24/2004 3:13:15 AM PDT by Just mythoughts
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To: Just mythoughts
The wise counselor, righteous redeemer guy who has been prophesied about for son long now, may just be present right now on Planet Earth. He is equipped and qualified to solve the problems of sovereignty over the Temple Mount, Jerusalem and the Holy Land.
66 posted on 10/24/2004 3:16:38 AM PDT by Bandaneira (The Third Temple/House for All Nations/World Peace Centre...Coming Soon...)
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To: Just mythoughts
I spent a lovely couple of hours at the Shrine of Remembrance this afternoon here in Melbourne. it was a wonderful Spring day. It really is a beautiful place and is one of our city's most "Holiest" places. It helps me visualize what the Third Temple space will be like. I visited Jerusalem in July 1997 and hope to return there one day soon.

The space where memory, vision and the present interconnect is an interesting space.
67 posted on 10/24/2004 3:21:45 AM PDT by Bandaneira (The Third Temple/House for All Nations/World Peace Centre...Coming Soon...)
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To: Just mythoughts; Bandaneira

Alexander the Great already cut the Gordian Knot.


68 posted on 10/24/2004 10:37:19 AM PDT by Destro (Know your enemy! Help fight Islamic terrorism by visiting johnathangaltfilms.com and jihadwatch.org)
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To: Just mythoughts
No - I was actually making fun of your types - the end times crowd that thinks Russia will invade Israel - based on what? A flawed interpretation of Revelations long discredited except in Christian endtime cults in America and by false prophets like Hal Lindsey that keep getting their predictions wrong.
69 posted on 10/24/2004 10:41:19 AM PDT by Destro (Know your enemy! Help fight Islamic terrorism by visiting johnathangaltfilms.com and jihadwatch.org)
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To: Just mythoughts
Yes, Kerry. Saw the original movie few months ago. It was eerie. Even had a scene where a Heinze 57 Ketchup bottle plays a part. I kid you not.
70 posted on 10/24/2004 11:53:14 AM PDT by ketchikan (Widen your horizons if you want to survive)
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To: Destro

I know...It is just a metaphor.


71 posted on 10/24/2004 3:53:35 PM PDT by Bandaneira (The Third Temple/House for All Nations/World Peace Centre...Coming Soon...)
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To: TapTheSource
Interesting and informative article.

BTTT

72 posted on 01/29/2005 11:03:20 AM PST by Mr. Mojo
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To: Calpernia; Velveeta; Revel; jerseygirl; DAVEY CROCKETT; WestCoastGal; lacylu

An interesting thoughtful, ping......


73 posted on 01/29/2005 2:42:18 PM PST by nw_arizona_granny (The enemy within, will be found in the "Communist Manifesto 1963", you are living it today.)
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To: TapTheSource
I agree.
Here is more:
The KGB's Man Moscow turned Arafat into a terrorist.
74 posted on 01/31/2005 11:32:03 PM PST by DaveTesla (You can fool some of the people some of the time......)
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To: DaveTesla

Thanks for the excellent post--TTS


75 posted on 02/01/2005 12:47:32 AM PST by TapTheSource
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To: TapTheSource
Have you seen this:
The Russians Are Coming (FBI concerned about Moscow's growing number of spies)
76 posted on 02/01/2005 1:05:49 AM PST by DaveTesla (You can fool some of the people some of the time......)
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To: TapTheSource; Calpernia; Velveeta; Revel; DAVEY CROCKETT; WestCoastGal; jerseygirl; lacylu

Ping to an older thread.


77 posted on 02/11/2005 2:23:42 AM PST by nw_arizona_granny (The enemy within, will be found in the "Communist Manifesto 1963", you are living it today.)
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To: DAVEY CROCKETT; MamaDearest; WestCoastGal

Ping


78 posted on 06/23/2005 4:32:36 AM PDT by nw_arizona_granny (My prayer of thanks is for all the Freepers who make my days so interesting,educational and loving.)
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