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Did John Kerry Break State and Federal Law?(vanity)
http://www.dnr.state.oh ^ | 10-22-04 | quack

Posted on 10/22/2004 9:58:01 AM PDT by quack

Only my third thread post,so be gentle.

Did John Kerry break state and federal law during his goose hunt?All of the photos I've seen DO NOT show a "tag" attached to any goose.Ohio state,and therefor federal,law requires that all migratory game birds that you have killed,but are not in posession of,be tagged with pertinent information.John Kerry said he was "Too lazy" to carry his own bird.If that goose did not have a tag,then I submit that Kerry is violation of state and federal law.

Source:

Tagging:No person shall give,put,or leave any migratory game birds at any place OR IN THE CUSTODY OF ANOTHER PERSON unless the birds are tagged by the hunter with the following information:(1)the hunters signature;(2)the hunters address;(3)the total number of birds involved,by species;and(4)the dates such birds were killed.No person or business shall receive or have in custody any migratory game birds BELONGING TO ANOTHER PERSON UNLESS SUCH BIRDS ARE PROPERLY TAGGED.

DUAL VIOLATION.Violation of state migratory bird regulations is also a violation of federal regulations.

Source:http://www.dnr.state.oh.us/wildlife/PDF/pub295.pdf

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Government; Politics/Elections; US: Ohio
KEYWORDS: cooked; federal; goose; kerry; migratory; tag
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To: WildTurkey

You are correct. My apology. I confused you with another poster replying to me at the same time. Sorry.


61 posted on 10/22/2004 10:56:12 AM PDT by Phantom Lord (Advantages are taken, not handed out)
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To: Nathan Zachary

That's how I can tell those aren't wild geese they are carrying. They are farm raised geese. Tame geese. Nice plump fat things. If I had my scanner working I'd show you the difference.


62 posted on 10/22/2004 10:56:26 AM PDT by Nathan Zachary
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To: So Cal Rocket
So, Gooseless Kerry just said he was "too lazy" to carry his.

Billionaires can't be bothered with menial labor like carrying ANYTHING!!!

I didn't realize that Youngstown, Ohio, was a mecca for billionaires who 'hunt' on their days off from their busy and stressful lives!!

63 posted on 10/22/2004 10:57:50 AM PDT by stockstrader
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To: Phantom Lord
As I said before, I don't hung geese and I stated the issue was whether the goose was properly tagged, whatever those requirements are.

If it was not required to be tagged, the issue is closed but where I come from, if you don't properly tag when required (at that means immediately) you are in for a fine.

64 posted on 10/22/2004 10:59:59 AM PDT by WildTurkey
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To: hoosiermama
Remember no press was allowed near.

Would you want to be around when Kerry is handling a shotgun?

65 posted on 10/22/2004 11:00:47 AM PDT by savedbygrace
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To: quack

yes quak, that's correct. But that is if he leaves his game at say, a butcher shop, sends it to a taxidermist, or it leaves his custody for transportation. Kerry is standing right there, how has it left his costody?

We don't know what he did with it later, if he gave it away or not, (he probably did) Besides, any one of his hunting freinds can take possesion of it, as they are all probably permit carriers. Nobody will waste time challenging them as to whether they shot it or not.


66 posted on 10/22/2004 11:03:24 AM PDT by Nathan Zachary
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To: WildTurkey

In many states, turkey hunting has a different set of rules compared to migratory game birds. here, you have to tag a turkey the same as you would tag a deer.


67 posted on 10/22/2004 11:05:28 AM PDT by Nathan Zachary
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To: WildTurkey
If it was not required to be tagged, the issue is closed

Ahh,but Ohio state law requires the tagging of migratory game birds IF they are in someone else's posession other than the hunter who shot it.If you're hunting by yourself or retain posession of your own birds you don't have to tag.The tagging is to help reduce over harvesting.

68 posted on 10/22/2004 11:06:08 AM PDT by quack
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To: Nathan Zachary
In many states, turkey hunting has a different set of rules compared to migratory game birds. here, you have to tag a turkey the same as you would tag a deer.

Correct. I was going to comment on that when a poster stated big game required tagging but forgot to.

Signed, a Wild Turkey Hunter.

69 posted on 10/22/2004 11:10:28 AM PDT by WildTurkey
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To: quack

I think, by law, I'm even supposed to have all the ducks and geese, deer, moose and elk meat and fish in my freezer identified, I've never known this "law" to have ever been enforced. For my own reasons, i simply write "duck, goose deer, moose, elk etc. " on the packages.


70 posted on 10/22/2004 11:10:59 AM PDT by Nathan Zachary
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To: Nathan Zachary
Besides, any one of his hunting freinds can take possesion of it, as they are all probably permit carriers.

No they can't.If they are carrying it,it is in their "custody".If they also shot a goose,then they are considered over the legal limit (1 per day)for having two geese.That's why there is a law on tagging.

71 posted on 10/22/2004 11:11:38 AM PDT by quack
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To: quack
Ahh,but Ohio state law requires the tagging of migratory game birds IF they are in someone else's posession other than the hunter who shot it.If you're hunting by yourself or retain posession of your own birds you don't have to tag.The tagging is to help reduce over harvesting.

As I said in my first post, I don't hung geese and claim ignorance on the requirements. I merely made that statement to keep the other poster focused on the discussion - that is, if tagging is required, it is very serious not to follow tagging instructions. He had earlier stated that if he were caught, he hoped a judge would 'forgive' him.

72 posted on 10/22/2004 11:13:03 AM PDT by WildTurkey
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To: Nathan Zachary
I've never known this "law" to have ever been enforced.

My uncle is a conservation officer in Mississippi.I've known it to be enforced.Guy was caught poaching.(probable cause)CO's went to his home and found he was over his legal possession limit.Yes,it was in the freezer.

73 posted on 10/22/2004 11:13:44 AM PDT by quack
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To: quack

loosing "possesion" usually means transporting, taxidermy, butcher shops. If you go out hunting with your buddies, and later one of your pals takes the goose, plucks it or whatever, and cooks it up for dinner later that night, that really isn't considered "loosing possesion".

The tagging of ALL wild game law is more for those pouchers who get caught transporting illegaly taken game.


74 posted on 10/22/2004 11:19:44 AM PDT by Nathan Zachary
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To: quack

Guys who poach become known to conservation officers. If I was hunting deer, and selling it, sooner or later I would come to be known, and then you could bet I'd be challenged to the letter of the law. But I don't sell a deer a week, so anything I have in my freezer wouldn't be picked over.
I give away meat all the time, I don't bother to tag it. But, I should. You are right in that it is technicaly the law that it be tagged if it leaves my possesion.
The law however, isn't really intended for that, it's intended to catch pouchers.


75 posted on 10/22/2004 11:27:03 AM PDT by Nathan Zachary
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To: Nathan Zachary
and later one of your pals takes the goose, plucks it or whatever, and cooks it up for dinner later that night, that really isn't considered "loosing possesion".

Yes it is.If your freezer has 2 geese in it and your plucking one in the yard,you are over your legal possesion limit(unless it's tagged,in Ohio).(1 per day,2 in possesion)Why do you think there is a possesion limit seperate from the per day limit?It doesn't mean you can have 2 birds in your hand (untagged)when the legal limit per day is 1.

76 posted on 10/22/2004 11:27:50 AM PDT by quack
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To: Phantom Lord
NC State Law: It is illegal to sing off key

As a chronic offender, I'll take the Fifth.

77 posted on 10/22/2004 11:30:01 AM PDT by TC Rider (The United States Constitution © 1791. All Rights Reserved.)
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To: quack

your should be you're


78 posted on 10/22/2004 11:32:09 AM PDT by quack
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To: quack

Lock him up! If this is what it takes, then fine!


79 posted on 10/22/2004 11:33:56 AM PDT by dubyain04jebin08and12
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To: dubyain04jebin08and12

Geese limits here are : Canada's Daily-5, possesion -15
White: (snow geese) daily-20, possesion -80


80 posted on 10/22/2004 11:37:47 AM PDT by Nathan Zachary
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