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Stolen Honor/Sinclair a Bust
10/22/2004 | steve reeves

Posted on 10/22/2004 5:38:21 PM PDT by kaferhaus

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To: kaferhaus

I guess you read my profile, since you know me so well.


101 posted on 10/22/2004 6:05:52 PM PDT by airborne (God answers all prayers. Sometimes the answer is ,"No".)
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To: kaferhaus

No doubt about it. The hour long show was dominated by Kerry partisans. They showed a 6 min clip from a Pro Kerry film and spoke with its producer for about 5 minutes. I doubt they even showed a two minute clip of the movie critical of Kerry and spoke to its producer for less than 30 seconds.


102 posted on 10/22/2004 6:05:56 PM PDT by RonnG
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To: UsnDadof8

Just call them the self ordained clean up crew....


103 posted on 10/22/2004 6:06:08 PM PDT by Just mythoughts
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To: VOA

Thanks...Good idea!


104 posted on 10/22/2004 6:06:08 PM PDT by MEG33 (John Kerry has been AWOL on issues of national security for two decades)
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To: kaferhaus

You are correct.

It was not what was feared. It strongly supported the Kerry lies.

The producer of the movie up the river should be hunted down and shot like a mad dog.


105 posted on 10/22/2004 6:06:11 PM PDT by bert (Peace is only halftime !)
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To: Gabz
No, you are wrong. They were originally going to do a show about Stolen Honor, not necessarily showing it in its entirety.. If you look back at their original announcement that it what it was going to be. They changed their format after all the flack they received, and barely mentioned or excerpted Stolen Honor except at the very beginning.

The POWs were shafted again.

106 posted on 10/22/2004 6:06:21 PM PDT by gramho12 (Got wood?)
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To: Libloather

I smell something too, a know it all who hasn't watched the program and knows what everyone's opinion on it should be.

Stolen Honor looks like a wonderful documentary, unfortunately 5 minutes of clips surrounded by 55 minutes of a second rate news program is lame.


107 posted on 10/22/2004 6:06:36 PM PDT by rwilson99 (I am a South Park Republican)
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To: Thinkin
>>>The slash and burn ( that I wanted ) probably would have turned off the people who are still confused.
Perhaps its better to 'plant a seed' of doubt about kerry and hope to hell it germinates REALLY fast.

Finally! Someone gets it!!
108 posted on 10/22/2004 6:06:52 PM PDT by Keith in Iowa (At CBS - "We don't just report news - we make it - up.")
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To: Howlin

That's it Howlin - you're cut off. Man, you're ornery when you drink !


109 posted on 10/22/2004 6:06:53 PM PDT by UsnDadof8 (W stands for We dont need no stinkin global test)
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To: Howlin
I never thought it was going to be Stolen Honor in total.

Apparently very little of it was, based on comments on the other thread.

110 posted on 10/22/2004 6:06:59 PM PDT by CedarDave (Viet Nam Vet, USN Coastal Div. 13, Cat Lo, USCG patrol boat, 1968: No atrocities on my watch!)
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To: gramho12

Well, George Butler said things that were really stupid and he was very hard to listen to. MONOTONE! One statement close to the end made me laugh. Someone was questioning why did he have a video camera filming his every move when he was supposed to be fighting? I also liked the part where Nixon and Colson was discussing Kerry. They said Kerry was doing this because he wanted to get into politics. After that clip, the newscaster stated that Kerry ran for office shortly after. Of course, all this is paraphrased. It was a boring documentary and I don't think the Dems can complain about it. They are probably proclaiming victory right now.


111 posted on 10/22/2004 6:07:10 PM PDT by imskylark
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To: Real Cynic No More

We must have seen a different show than you did. There was nothing negative about Kerry that wasn't countered and the counter not questioned. I well remember the Vietnam era and the traitor's testimony and this farce did nothing to show the pain Kerry caused.


112 posted on 10/22/2004 6:07:13 PM PDT by nclady
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To: Howlin
Try to remember that the rest of the world isn't quite as strident about John Kerry as we are.

(Howlin, the following angst is not against you...)

That's because they have poor powers of imagination and empathy.

Sadly, you are describing at least 40% of the USA electorate. (And about
95% of Old Europe)

As in not being able to conceive of what it would be like to be in The Hanoi Hilton
for YEARS and get to listen to some American reserve officer droning on over the
intercom about the "war crimes" that have gotten you imprisoned.
113 posted on 10/22/2004 6:07:14 PM PDT by VOA
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To: gramho12

I agree completely. The DNC got to Sinclair.


114 posted on 10/22/2004 6:07:21 PM PDT by EdReform (Have you seen FAHRENHYPE 9/11? - www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1240926/posts)
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To: rwilson99

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1253812/posts
STOLEN HONOR: WATCH IT FREE ONLINE



115 posted on 10/22/2004 6:07:33 PM PDT by MEG33 (John Kerry has been AWOL on issues of national security for two decades)
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To: Thinkin
The slash and burn ( that I wanted ) probably would have turned off the people who are still confused.

Exactly. Why give them PROOF positive that conservatives are as nasty as they think we are?

Hell, I'm still waiting for the Clintons to be hung in stockades on the Mall in D.C.

116 posted on 10/22/2004 6:07:51 PM PDT by Howlin (Bush has claimed two things which Democrats believe they own by right: the presidency & the future)
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To: marway
I hoping for some "steak" and all we're getting is hamburger.

No, we're getting hamburger helper without tuna, let alone hamburger. This is pure 'bait & switch'.

117 posted on 10/22/2004 6:07:52 PM PDT by No Longer Free State
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To: kaferhaus

they did not say one thing about how he did not get his honourable discharge till Clinton.....20 years later.

i am certain he got a less than honourable before that.


traitor bastards


and I met with the sister of a colonel killed in Iraq today.

Many in this country make me fear we aren't worth it....and in the long run will collapse.


118 posted on 10/22/2004 6:08:08 PM PDT by wardaddy (handmaidens for everyone!)
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To: Howlin

I did not think that they would air all of it either, but what they did was a joke. They mislead everyone by implying that they would air part of it when they in fact did not air any of it (maybe 10 seconds of it). It was a total junk IMO.


119 posted on 10/22/2004 6:08:10 PM PDT by Hendrix
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To: Howlin

I see you didn't watch what Sinclair broadcast tonite.


120 posted on 10/22/2004 6:08:25 PM PDT by rwilson99 (I am a South Park Republican)
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To: mammer

Then maybe they should have shown nothing.


121 posted on 10/22/2004 6:08:53 PM PDT by highlandbreeze
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To: UsnDadof8

I don't drink, punk.


122 posted on 10/22/2004 6:09:10 PM PDT by Howlin (Bush has claimed two things which Democrats believe they own by right: the presidency & the future)
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To: Acrobat

You didn't watch the Sinclair program. It was crap.


123 posted on 10/22/2004 6:09:27 PM PDT by rwilson99 (I am a South Park Republican)
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To: EdReform

Paid off, me thinks. I smell something real bad.


124 posted on 10/22/2004 6:09:35 PM PDT by BonneBlue
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To: Howlin

Shore Patrol !!! LOL


125 posted on 10/22/2004 6:09:58 PM PDT by UsnDadof8 (W stands for We dont need no stinkin global test)
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To: VOA

I agree 100 percent with what you said.

We just have to keep fighting.


126 posted on 10/22/2004 6:10:05 PM PDT by Howlin (Bush has claimed two things which Democrats believe they own by right: the presidency & the future)
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To: kaferhaus

They kissed the DNC and Kerry's ass .What a shame. The truth can no longer be told.This is the start of our new country under Kerry,It will be Kerry's way or get destroyed!!!!!!!!!!!


127 posted on 10/22/2004 6:10:06 PM PDT by patriciamary
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To: Howlin

C'mon Howlin! They stated outright that Bush hasn't released all his records and NO mention of Kerry's records at all! It was outrageous!


128 posted on 10/22/2004 6:10:19 PM PDT by Dianna
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To: kaferhaus

LOL, Butler (director of 'Without a Paddle'...errr 'John Kerry's Long Snore') sounded medicated! You'd have to be a kool-aid sipper to buy his garbage. Overall I thought it was OK but they certainly could have been a little more hard-hitting with the TRUTH!


129 posted on 10/22/2004 6:10:22 PM PDT by Dienekes
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To: Howlin

Join date means when I "registered to post" it has nothing to do with how long I've been reading the board...


Guess even though my observations of this show were absolutely correct they don't count because I choose not to be a prolific poster?

Man you guys are tough...


130 posted on 10/22/2004 6:10:28 PM PDT by kaferhaus
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To: mammer
you guys need to think about something, the lawyer that is defending Kerry is the same guy thats putting companies like Enron in jail, he is very well known. He has threatened to charge Sinclair with insider trading, bogus but could bring the network down. And by the way he has donated thousands to John Edwards.

All the more reason to believe this was a setup.

131 posted on 10/22/2004 6:10:48 PM PDT by No Longer Free State
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To: kaferhaus

OK, I made it through about 30 minutes of it, taping it for my dad, who thought it was going to be mostly about "Stolen Honor", the documentary. I stopped the tape about halfway through.

It was poorly edited, with no clear message, it rambled, and the cuts from the documentary weren't even the best cuts.

I think the whole point the POWs were, and are, trying to make was lost in this program. They didn't pin that pro-Kerry Vietnam Vet down with respect to the impact their testimony had on the POWs. It doesn't matter what they thought they were trying to achieve. Whether their intentions were bad or good (giving them the benefit of the doubt for the moment, for the sake of argument), they have NEVER acknowledged the harm they caused the POWs, the psychological and physical harm. They refuse to acknowledge the consequences of their actions were visited upon the POWs in a very hurtful and negative way. They want to dismiss it, ignore it, sweep it under the rug, and even say their anti-war activities actually SHORTENED the POWs misery, which only adds insult to injury.

I was hoping this program would finally give them a voice, but their voice wasn't adequately heard tonight.


132 posted on 10/22/2004 6:10:49 PM PDT by wimpycat (John Kerry has a fevah, and the only prescription is "MORE COWBELL".)
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To: kaferhaus
The dems successfully OVERHYPED the Clinton impeachment testimony too,,,,they OVERHYPED it enough,,,that the high expectations were never met---and it became a CLINTON net-plus!!

SAME THING!

This must have been Kerry's "October Surprise"--they must be laughing their butts off over at DU!

The Sinclair VP on FOX today admitted that there are many more Kerry bumperstickers in their parking lot--than there are Bush ones.

133 posted on 10/22/2004 6:10:54 PM PDT by stockstrader
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To: rwilson99

I watched 60 minutes of it; was there more?


134 posted on 10/22/2004 6:11:01 PM PDT by Howlin (Bush has claimed two things which Democrats believe they own by right: the presidency & the future)
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To: kaferhaus

This was a thoroughly disappointing production...


135 posted on 10/22/2004 6:11:26 PM PDT by PowerPro (REMEMBER: Every State's a Swing State Until the Votes are Counted ... Go VOTE!)
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To: Howlin

I agree Howlin. It was better than nothing, better than Dan Rather, Dan Brokaw, Peter Jennings.

Maybe as good as Brit Hume on Fox when he's fired up.


136 posted on 10/22/2004 6:11:40 PM PDT by Rebelbase (President Jimmy Carter is a complete idiot .)
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To: snarkytart

can you buy it anywhere????


137 posted on 10/22/2004 6:11:44 PM PDT by patriciamary
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To: Howlin

No, I registered yesterday I believe. I've been lurking for awhile now, thought I'd finally join in since the election is right around the corner.

I'm bashing Sinclair for folding!!


138 posted on 10/22/2004 6:11:53 PM PDT by ruralgal
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To: Rebelbase; Howlin

Tom Brokaw.


139 posted on 10/22/2004 6:12:06 PM PDT by Rebelbase (President Jimmy Carter is a complete idiot .)
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To: KoRn
Does anyone think they will actually get credit for balancing this show?

You call that BALANCE? What rock were you under? They always let Kerry's camp go last & unrefuted. It was pure crap.

140 posted on 10/22/2004 6:12:38 PM PDT by No Longer Free State
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To: kaferhaus
Join date means when I "registered to post" it has nothing to do with how long I've been reading the board...

Ah, sure.

141 posted on 10/22/2004 6:12:46 PM PDT by Howlin (Bush has claimed two things which Democrats believe they own by right: the presidency & the future)
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To: Howlin

The libs must really be scared if they signed up just to try and tell us what to think of the show. Hmmmm.. now I think it was even more damaging to Kerry.. or why would they bother?


142 posted on 10/22/2004 6:12:46 PM PDT by Diva Betsy Ross (God bless the Swift Boat Vets!)
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To: Howlin

Not sure who this new character is, but, frankly it was trash. It did nothing more then to say "Kerry says we need to keep on doing what we are doing!"

As a vet I am horrified and my husband who is on active duty is beyond pissed. It was the worst waist of air time that Bush could have received.


143 posted on 10/22/2004 6:12:50 PM PDT by Former Military Chick (REALLY REALLY Ticked OFF in the heartland)
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To: All

Like I said on another thread. This was their "October suprise". Bet the DUmmies are really laughing at how we were taken in.


144 posted on 10/22/2004 6:13:28 PM PDT by tirednvirginia
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To: kaferhaus

It was kinda lame ... about 45 minutes in I became distracted by my desire for Maker's Mark!


145 posted on 10/22/2004 6:13:38 PM PDT by Mr. Buzzcut
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To: TheLurkerX

YEah, Butler may have got more time but could you actually listen to him? I couldn't stand it. No emotion and completely MONOTONE! I think his voice probably drowned out anything he said.


146 posted on 10/22/2004 6:13:51 PM PDT by imskylark
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To: kaferhaus

What a bunch of crap. I'm so ticked I can hardly type. What did they show? 30 seconds?


147 posted on 10/22/2004 6:14:03 PM PDT by VA40
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To: CedarDave
"I watched PhiKapMom's download of Stolen Honor and it is very moving and a compelling adjustment of Kerry. Don't confuse the two."

Let's not forget the talk and debate this issue is going to generate for the next few days. The MSM will create the buzz that will get more internet hits and people will eventually see/hear the true story.

148 posted on 10/22/2004 6:14:08 PM PDT by airborne (God answers all prayers. Sometimes the answer is ,"No".)
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To: MizSterious
I agree with you, and with the other posters, that this program is cobbled together like a college TV show run by first year students. It has only one lasting value. All the squabbling about this show in advance, plus the Internet, plus talk radio, plus the availability (free) of Stolen Honor, WILL get the word out.

And the word will get out through the network of American veterans of all wars. The vets, who reach into every town, every business, every community, will complete the circuit and get the word to all Americans who are willing to listen. I call that the WCN (Water Cooler Network). It is below the radar of the press, but it reaches into more nooks and crannies of America than all the alphabet networks put together.

That's why I wrote two months ago that "this election was over when John Kerry say down after his acceptance speech in Boston." His marketing plan was to make Vietnam the center of his campaign. And that was a fatal mistake.

Congressman Billybob

Latest column, "Mein Fuhrer, I Can Valk!"

149 posted on 10/22/2004 6:14:16 PM PDT by Congressman Billybob (Visit: www.ArmorforCongress.com please.)
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To: Neoc0n

Example ??

It was supposed to be on channel 64 wstr cincinnati and instead they showed a rerun of some 80's sitcom ! jeers or queers or something like that !


150 posted on 10/22/2004 6:14:20 PM PDT by ATOMIC_PUNK (Want to know why I don't vote Democrat?" http://www.museumofleftwinglunacy.com)
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