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More Nasal Spray Flu Vaccine Coming -U.S. Officials (ONE MILLION doses of nasal flu spray incoming!)
Yahoo! News/Reuters ^ | Oct 21, 2004 | Lisa Richwine

Posted on 10/22/2004 6:29:46 PM PDT by philman_36

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Another 1 million doses of a nasal spray influenza vaccine will be available in the United States this year, Bush administration officials said on Thursday as they sought to calm concerns about a flu shot shortage.

The spray vaccine, called FluMist and made by Gaithersburg, Maryland-based MedImmune Inc., is approved only for healthy people aged 5 to 49. It is not intended for the elderly, very young children and others at high risk of serious flu complications.

The United States will have enough vaccine and antiviral medicines "to cope with this year's flu season, even if it turns out to be a severe season," Health and Human Services (news - web sites) Secretary Tommy Thompson told reporters.

Officials also are negotiating with France and Canada and talking to some European companies in hopes of obtaining any surplus vaccine, Acting Food and Drug Administration (news - web sites) Commissioner Lester Crawford said. Up to 5 million more doses might become available, Crawford said.

President Bush (news - web sites), speaking at a campaign stop in Pennsylvania, acknowledged growing public concern about the shortage and sought to offer reassurance and advice.

"If you're feeling healthy like I'm feeling healthy these days, don't get in line for the flu shot," Bush said, alluding to the long lines that have formed in parts of the country.

Shortages of the flu prevention shots have become a campaign issue for Bush as his Democratic challenger, Sen. John Kerry (news - web sites), has accused him of not having done enough to ensure sufficient stocks.

A total of 3 million FluMist doses will be available in the U.S. market for the current flu season, along with 58 million flu shots made by France-based Aventis-Pasteur.

U.S. officials had hoped to have 100 million flu vaccine doses available this year, but maker Chiron Corp. lost its license to make the inoculation on Oct. 5. Emeryville, California-based Chiron had been expected to supply the U.S. market with 48 million doses.

Influenza kills about 36,000 Americans in an average year and lands about 200,000 in the hospital.

Thompson urged seniors not to stand in long lines waiting for the vaccine, as that could threaten their health.

Millions of flu vaccine doses have yet to be distributed, he stressed. Aventis-Pasteur is shipping an average of up to 3 million doses each week to health-care providers.

"Just because your doctor does not have the vaccine today does not mean he or she ... (will) not get it" in the coming weeks, Thompson said.

Democratic vice presidential candidate John Edwards (news - web sites) charged Thompson with spending too much time campaigning for Bush. "It's a problem when the secretary of HHS, instead of dealing with the flu vaccine crisis, is out campaigning in battleground states," Edwards said.


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It seems to me that there is plenty to go around.
And there is no telling how much flu spray has been stockpiled from last year.
1 posted on 10/22/2004 6:29:48 PM PDT by philman_36
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To: philman_36

Have they sent the new Flu Vaccine supositories to San Francisco.


2 posted on 10/22/2004 6:32:01 PM PDT by isthisnickcool (Only dummies play poker with George W. Bush.)
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To: philman_36
And there is no telling how much flu spray has been stockpiled from last year.

Yes, there is. ZERO.

3 posted on 10/22/2004 6:33:51 PM PDT by steve86
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To: philman_36
Just one of many! From Wisconsin Physicians Service...
WPS Health Insurance Approves Nasal Spray Flu Vaccine
"One important way we can help ensure there's enough vaccine for everyone who needs it is to provide insurance coverage of FluMist," said David Luce, M.D., WPS Medical Director.
Snip..."We want our customers to know that despite recent reports of a flu shot shortage, the FluMist nasal spray vaccine is available to help prevent influenza," said Dr. Luce.
4 posted on 10/22/2004 6:35:36 PM PDT by philman_36 ("I think the future of the Republic is at stake." Ann Coulter)
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To: BearWash
Yes, there is. ZERO.
And how do you know this? Don't just say it, SHOW IT!
I've no idea one way or the other so please, educate me!
5 posted on 10/22/2004 6:37:24 PM PDT by philman_36 ("I think the future of the Republic is at stake." Ann Coulter)
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To: isthisnickcool
Barney Frank will be administering both in suppository and nasal form.
6 posted on 10/22/2004 6:38:36 PM PDT by cripplecreek (We've turned the corner and we're not smokin crack.)
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To: isthisnickcool
Have they sent the new Flu Vaccine supositories to San Francisco.
Has that been invented now as well? /sarcasm
7 posted on 10/22/2004 6:38:40 PM PDT by philman_36 ("I think the future of the Republic is at stake." Ann Coulter)
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To: philman_36
What's all the brouhaha on this flu vaccine thing. I didn't even know they existed till like a year ago when there was some more whining going on that brought it to my life. We get the flu, we vomit, we have the runs, we are better the next day. This whining and complaining about a flu vaccine makes us look weak in the world's eyes. My wife and 3 kids have never had them either, but somehow we all survived, even when we have had the flu.
8 posted on 10/22/2004 6:40:20 PM PDT by Mediterranean Madman
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To: philman_36
The spray vaccine, called FluMist and made by Gaithersburg, Maryland-based MedImmune Inc., is approved only for healthy people aged 5 to 49. It is not intended for the elderly, very young children and others at high risk of serious flu complications.

And isn't the reason for this restriction because this is a live virus? That seems like just a good way to spread the flu around --- the healthy person gets a little sick like they would if they actually caught the wild virus --- they pass it around to those who are immunocompromised. They wouldn't give the small pox vaccine for this very reason.

9 posted on 10/22/2004 6:40:41 PM PDT by FITZ
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To: Mediterranean Madman

The flu kills about 35,000 people a year in the United States.
Mostly elderly and people with weak immune systems, but hey it'd be nice if those folks could spend a few more christmas dinners with their families.


10 posted on 10/22/2004 6:41:54 PM PDT by Mount Athos
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To: Mediterranean Madman

I think we're supposed to be getting convinced that we need the government to take over health care and take good care of us all. SARS and West Nile didn't get us convinced because hardly anyone died from those --- so now we're being told we're all going to die from the flu.


11 posted on 10/22/2004 6:42:08 PM PDT by FITZ
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To: philman_36

The flu (and hence the vaccine) changes and is new every year. So even if there was any vaccine left, it would be useless against this year's flu.


12 posted on 10/22/2004 6:44:10 PM PDT by Principled
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To: Mediterranean Madman
What's all the brouhaha on this flu vaccine thing.
It's all just a hyped up scenario to me with nothing actually to it in the long run.
I'm just sick of hearing about it when there is nothing, IMO, to it!
13 posted on 10/22/2004 6:45:06 PM PDT by philman_36 ("I think the future of the Republic is at stake." Ann Coulter)
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To: Principled
Yes, and the FluMist has an expiration date at the end of the season. So, if any pharmacy had held onto it instead of returning it to the manufacturer it would be illegal to sell or administer.
14 posted on 10/22/2004 6:47:43 PM PDT by steve86
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To: Mediterranean Madman

yep. I guess the draft scare and sosh security scare aren't working well so they needed a new one.

...all the news that's fit to print.

“This is a Time Bomb”
Mike Davis on the Looming Threat of a Deadly Flu Pandemic
by Alan Maass
www.dissidentvoice.org
October 22, 2004
First Published in Socialist Worker


15 posted on 10/22/2004 6:48:44 PM PDT by Rakkasan1 (Justice of the Piece:Charity is conservative;doing it with someone else's money is liberal.)
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To: Mount Athos
"The flu kills about 35,000 people a year in the United States. Mostly elderly and people with weak immune systems, but hey it'd be nice if those folks could spend a few more christmas dinners with their families."

Yes, then we can begin to kill babies by the millions and rape them of their stem cells so that we can give 90 yr old decrepit people an extra 3 months to live. The only people that I have ever known that took this crap got the worst flu of their lives from it, so I am in no way convinced that not having an extra 10 million doses saves any lives. I wouldn't take it to begin with even if they were paying to give it away. A little good vomit and day of runs cleans out the system. :-) There are no lines at all down here in Little Rock, it isn't that big of a deal believe me, I could care less personally.
16 posted on 10/22/2004 6:51:09 PM PDT by Mediterranean Madman
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To: philman_36
Yeah, the silly media will play up anything. Remember that West Nile Virus, like 50 people died nationwide and all of a sudden there was a national epidemic on our hands if you listened to them. I didn't hear one peep out of them this summer on it, probably because it wouldn't hurt Bush and couldn't obtusely be linked to him so it wasn't profitable
17 posted on 10/22/2004 6:54:02 PM PDT by Mediterranean Madman
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To: Mediterranean Madman

I was offered a flu shot today and declined it --- no matter how much hype, I don't believe I need one --- I've never had a flu shot.


18 posted on 10/22/2004 6:56:02 PM PDT by FITZ
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To: FITZ
And isn't the reason for this restriction because this is a live virus?
Doesn't the article say that those groups are simply persons "at high risk of serious flu complications/at high risk for complications from influenza"?
I don't see where it says the restriction is because it's a live virus.
19 posted on 10/22/2004 6:56:17 PM PDT by philman_36 ("I think the future of the Republic is at stake." Ann Coulter)
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To: Principled
The flu (and hence the vaccine) changes and is new every year. So even if there was any vaccine left, it would be useless against this year's flu.
If this is true then how could any pre-prepared vaccine be effective? What you're saying doesn't make sense.
Aren't there a limited number of strains with very few variations?
Influenza
Etiology
Influenza viruses are orthomyxoviruses of 3 antigenic types (A, B, and C). Epidemic disease is caused by influenza virus types A and B. Influenza A viruses are subclassified by 2 surface antigens. Major changes in the predominant strain in either of these antigens, are called antigenic shifts; minor variations within the same subtypes are called antigenic drifts. Antigenic shift has occurred only with influenza A, usually at irregular intervals of 10 or more years. Antigenic drift occurs almost annually in influenza A and B viruses.

20 posted on 10/22/2004 7:04:52 PM PDT by philman_36 ("I think the future of the Republic is at stake." Ann Coulter)
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To: philman_36

There might be plenty to go around, with 3 million doses of FluMist and 58 million doses of the regular vaccine; except for panicky demand driven by media and government; tort lawyers and government price controls, and government rationing; making it effectively illegal for those of us over 49 (too old for FluMist) and under 65 (too young for the conventional vaccine)to be vaccinated; unless we work on Capital Hill in any capacity, in which case it will be provide free of charge.


21 posted on 10/22/2004 7:10:28 PM PDT by David M. Brooks (Twenty Minutes Into The Future)
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To: BearWash
...FluMist has an expiration date at the end of the season.
Now that makes sense. Thanks for the keywords. I've never seen a bottle of it.
All unused doses of FluMist shipped between December 31, 2003 and March 31, 2004 and stored in a frost-free freezer without a FluMist™ FreezeBox must be either returned or discarded effective March 31, 2004, regardless of the expiration date imprinted on the sprayer.
22 posted on 10/22/2004 7:10:35 PM PDT by philman_36 ("I think the future of the Republic is at stake." Ann Coulter)
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To: philman_36
They don't make the vaccine until after they've identified what strain they think is coming each year. So even if you get a flu shot, you may be doomed if it's the wrong strain.

You could always take last year's shot, but that would be akin to taking cough medicine for arthritis...???

Scientists make a different vaccine every year because the strains of flu viruses change from year to year. Nine to 10 months before the flu season begins, they prepare a new vaccine made from inactivated (killed) flu viruses. Because the viruses are killed, they cannot cause infections. The vaccine preparation is based on the strains of the flu viruses that are in circulation at the time. It includes those A and B viruses (see section below on types of flu viruses) expected to circulate the following winter.

Sometimes, an unpredicted new strain may appear after the vaccine has been made and distributed to health care providers and clinics. Because of this, even if you do get the flu vaccine, you still may get infected. If you do get infected, however, the disease usually is milder because the vaccine still will give you some protection.

From this link

23 posted on 10/22/2004 7:15:09 PM PDT by Principled
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To: Mount Athos
The flu kills about 35,000 people a year in the United States. Mostly elderly and people with weak immune systems, but hey, it'd be nice if those folks could spend a few more christmas dinners with their families.

I agree. Give the older folks their shot. healthy people step aside. Gammy & Gamps have a few more years to share with us.

24 posted on 10/22/2004 7:15:56 PM PDT by ExtremeUnction
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To: Mount Athos
The flu kills about 35,000 people a year in the United States. Mostly elderly and people with weak immune systems, but hey, it'd be nice if those folks could spend a few more christmas dinners with their families.

I agree. Give the older folks their shot. healthy people step aside. Gammy & Gamps have a few more years to share with us.

25 posted on 10/22/2004 7:15:56 PM PDT by ExtremeUnction
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To: David M. Brooks
...unless we work on Capital Hill in any capacity...
I heard about that too...a "news" article with no legs.
26 posted on 10/22/2004 7:17:37 PM PDT by philman_36 ("I think the future of the Republic is at stake." Ann Coulter)
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To: Principled

Thanks for the link and info. I feel more informed now and I learned something new.


27 posted on 10/22/2004 7:20:09 PM PDT by philman_36 ("I think the future of the Republic is at stake." Ann Coulter)
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To: philman_36

here's another link:

http://www.agingwell.state.ny.us/flu/flureview/caqs1.htm#q01


Most years at least one of the influenza virus subtypes changes. The results of this change are viruses and virus combinations against which previous years' vaccine formulas offer little protection. A government agency monitors the flu to identify and to track the most common virus variations. Based on data collected from previous years and on predictions about which virus strains will be most prominent in the coming year, this agency decides what subtypes of killed virus to include in the current influenza vaccine.

FR is great, ain't it!?


28 posted on 10/22/2004 7:22:07 PM PDT by Principled
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To: philman_36
is approved only for healthy people aged 5 to 49

Well ---- it's "approved" only for healthy people --- my understanding is that it's a live virus and shouldn't be given to those at risk for getting the flu --- because the live virus is dangerous for them --- but what if the healthy person passes the live virus onto them?

29 posted on 10/22/2004 7:22:19 PM PDT by FITZ
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To: philman_36

At least in some health care settings, health care workers and others who could expose people on chemotherapy or who are immunosuppressed have been told not to get the nasal spray because they could pass on the live virus to the patients who have little immunity to fight it.


30 posted on 10/22/2004 7:24:04 PM PDT by FITZ
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To: philman_36

Ya'll get yo shots, ya hear? Then I won't have to git mine...


31 posted on 10/22/2004 7:26:41 PM PDT by lancer (If you are not with us, you are against us!)
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To: BearWash

For what it is worth, our physician told us that anyone over 55 should not take a nasal flu shot. That they are meant for kids.

He especially warned respiratory and cardiac patients that they would actually be putting their health at risk if they took a nasal injection.

Any doctors in the House?


32 posted on 10/22/2004 7:28:37 PM PDT by not2worry (What goes around comes around!)
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To: philman_36

Anyone ever read The Stand (by Steven King)? In that book the deadliest flu ever was created by military scientists in a bio warfare lab(well, it is Steven King after all) but the story of how it overwhelmed the public and wiped out 99% of the population left a lasting impression. As did the very real Spanish Influenza of 1918.

Airborne viruses scare the ____ out of me. They're very hard to control. Unlike AIDS. Hopefully our wonderful benevolent authorities are spending as much $ to solve the former problem as the latter.


33 posted on 10/22/2004 7:29:05 PM PDT by etwgmdn
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To: Mediterranean Madman

Yes, then we can begin to kill babies by the millions and rape them of their stem cells so that we can give 90 yr old decrepit people an extra 3 months to live. The only people that I have ever known that took this crap got the worst flu of their lives from it, so I am in no way convinced that not having an extra 10 million doses saves any lives. I wouldn't take it to begin with even if they were paying to give it away. A little good vomit and day of runs cleans out the system. :-) There are no lines at all down here in Little Rock, it isn't that big of a deal believe me, I could care less personally.
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Well said and my sentiments exactly. What ever happened to sacrfice for your children, not grow children to sacrifice for you. Sick..its a sick form of cannablism.

No vaccine will stop a super flu. Amazes me the people who will line up to have a virus put in their bodies that chances are they wouldn't have come in contact with anyway.


34 posted on 10/22/2004 7:29:10 PM PDT by BriarBey
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To: Principled
And thanks for some more keywords...
From the CDC...Questions & Answers: Flu Shot
The flu shot is an inactivated vaccine (containing killed virus) that is given with a needle, usually in the arm. It contains three influenza viruses. The three vaccine strains – one A (H3N2) virus, one A (H1N1) virus, and one B virus – are representative of the influenza vaccine strains recommended for that year.
35 posted on 10/22/2004 7:33:41 PM PDT by philman_36 ("I think the future of the Republic is at stake." Ann Coulter)
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To: Principled
FR is great, ain't it!?
Yes it is and thanks for that too. Glad you're helping and participating. I'm learning something here. To me this is what it's supposed to be about.
36 posted on 10/22/2004 7:35:48 PM PDT by philman_36 ("I think the future of the Republic is at stake." Ann Coulter)
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To: FITZ
...but what if the healthy person passes the live virus onto them?
Form what I've been reading, between replies, the injected person doesn't get the flu at all.
Perhaps if the particular strain in effect that year isn't included in their innoculation they may get the flu.
Even then, based upon the information I've read, they shouldn't get it real bad because they've already got partial protection from the innoculation.
37 posted on 10/22/2004 7:39:46 PM PDT by philman_36 ("I think the future of the Republic is at stake." Ann Coulter)
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To: etwgmdn
Anyone ever read The Stand (by Steven King)?
Isn't that "required reading"? Captain Trips!
38 posted on 10/22/2004 7:42:45 PM PDT by philman_36 ("I think the future of the Republic is at stake." Ann Coulter)
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To: Principled
BTW...that last link is a little outdated...Intranasal (nose spray) flu vaccine has been under development for over 20 years but is not yet licensed in the United States.
39 posted on 10/22/2004 7:46:15 PM PDT by philman_36 ("I think the future of the Republic is at stake." Ann Coulter)
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To: philman_36

I think the injected person gets a killed virus which they bill build up antibodies against that then should save them from a live virus but the mist is a live virus which is why it's only approved for the healthy because they can easily fight of the live virus --- mist or wild. I don't see what stops that live mist virus from getting spread around --- or why would they tell healthy health care workers who work with unhealthy patients not to take that vaccine.


40 posted on 10/22/2004 7:46:51 PM PDT by FITZ
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To: philman_36

washingtonpost.com
No Flu Vaccine Shortage at Capitol
Hill's Doctor Urges Members to Get Shots

By Charles Babington and David Brown
Washington Post Staff Writers
Wednesday, October 20, 2004; Page A01

While many Americans search in vain for flu shots, members and employees of Congress are able to obtain them quickly and at no charge from the Capitol's attending physician, who has urged all 535 lawmakers to get the vaccines even if they are young and healthy.

The physician's office has dispensed nearly 2,000 flu shots this fall, and doses remained available yesterday. That is a steep drop from last year's 9,000 shots, a spokesman for attending physician John F. Eisold said, because many congressional employees have voluntarily abided by federal guidelines that call for this season's limited supply to go mainly to the elderly, the very young, pregnant women, long-term-care patients and people with chronic illnesses.

But people of all ages who are credentialed to work in the Capitol can get a shot by saying they meet the guidelines, with no further questions asked, said the spokesman, who cited office policy in demanding anonymity.

"We leave it up to people to read the guidelines" issued by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention and then to state whether they want the shot, Eisold's spokesman said. "We don't ask. We trust people. . . . Most of the people have been very good."

The policy applies to thousands of legislative staffers, police officers, construction workers, restaurant employees, journalists and others who work in the Capitol complex.

Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist (Tenn.), a heart surgeon, sent letters urging his 99 colleagues to get the shots because they mingle and shake hands with so many people, his spokeswoman, Amy Call, said. She said she did not know how many senators have taken his advice.

Eisold "is a big believer that members of Congress are at high risk, because they shake hands with a lot of people" and then visit veterans centers and other concentrations of susceptible people, his spokesman said. Because lawmakers can be both victims and spreaders of flu, he said, Eisold urged all 535 to get the shots.

The practice appears to directly contravene the instruction being given by the government's executive branch...


"What we are telling people is: If you are not in a priority category, do not get the shot," he said.

etc, etc,


41 posted on 10/22/2004 7:49:29 PM PDT by David M. Brooks (Twenty Minutes Into The Future)
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To: not2worry

The FluMist is approved only for ages 5-49. I happen to be the latter.


42 posted on 10/22/2004 7:52:13 PM PDT by steve86
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To: philman_36

I guess I just don't see the point in the mist --- unless you decide you're likely to get the flu so you want to have it at a time that's more convenient --- get it over with --- but you might not get it at all otherwise. I haven't had the flu in years --- no flu shots either so why would I deliberately expose myself to the virus?

Or maybe the mist contains a virus that is considered less pathological, less aggressive so you deliberately get sick from that one to get protections against a more aggressive strain of the same type. Still --- if they advise the young and old not to take the mist --- they could catch it from someone else who did take it.

It's like the oral polio vaccine given to newborns --- everyone in the house gets a booster --- revaccinated -- when the baby is vaccinated because that's a live virus and isn't supposed to be given to babies living with someone who lacks an immune system.


43 posted on 10/22/2004 7:53:21 PM PDT by FITZ
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To: FITZ; All; Principled
I think...
Why not read some of the links and know?

...why would they tell healthy health care workers who work with unhealthy patients not to take that vaccine.
Is this a question or a statement? If a question, then my question is where did you get that from?
My understanding is that healthcare workers are being urged to get the vaccine and are being given priority in some instances. From 1999...FLU VACCINES FOR HEALTH CARE WORKERS
Some places, it seems, are already getting their workers prepared...
'Healthy people' may be out of luck on flu shots (10 days ago)(notice the "alarming" headline)
Rapides Regional Medical Center, for instance, began vaccinating its employees Monday.

MedImmune bumps up production of FluMist vaccine Friday, 22-Oct-2004
MedImmune has announced that it is increasing its planned delivery of FluMist (Influenza Virus Vaccine Live, Intranasal) up to a total of three million doses. Originally the company had completed production of 1.1 million doses.

44 posted on 10/22/2004 8:03:59 PM PDT by philman_36 ("I think the future of the Republic is at stake." Ann Coulter)
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To: David M. Brooks

It simply hasn't got legs.


45 posted on 10/22/2004 8:05:08 PM PDT by philman_36 ("I think the future of the Republic is at stake." Ann Coulter)
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To: philman_36

Does anyone know if the Flu-Mist is safe for people allergic to eggs? I also understand that conventional flu shots use mercury as a preservative. Yuck! I'm more worried about what mercury might do that a virus. I wonder whether or not the nasal spray has mercury in it.


46 posted on 10/22/2004 8:43:16 PM PDT by Wilhelm Tell (Lurking since 1997!)
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To: philman_36

Screw the flu vaccine. I want to be re-inoculated for 12 diseases just like in the Air Force. My antibodies need something to do. And I noticed I've been catching colds lately. I was never sick in the AF.


47 posted on 10/22/2004 8:49:09 PM PDT by BobS
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To: philman_36
I found this on great comment on an ABC news in DC website
All of you need to get over yourselves. The #1 reason people need to get flu shots is to prevent older more frail people from developing pneumonia. Pneumonia is the number one killer for our elderly citizens. The pneumovax injections, which is also a vaccine used to prevent pneumonia, is in ample supply. Anyone of age or frailty in regards to health can go get one - any day of the week without waiting in line. The truth is that last year flu season was mild, which is expected again this year. The makers of the flu shots can only predict what virus will hit the hardest and create a vaccine for it. Apparently last year the vaccines missed altogether - - those who had them had no benefit. I am just glad that our CDC and other government agencies were bold enough to refuse contaminated supplies to prevent more illnesses than it would prevent, and even death of American citizens.

48 posted on 10/23/2004 11:05:01 AM PDT by TaxRelief
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To: Mediterranean Madman
Welcome to FR!

We can tell you're new because you have some misconceptions about several pieces of medical information, which are regularly discussed on these flu threads.

1. The symptoms of flu are aches and pains from fever, cold symptoms including a runny nose, and a loose mucousy cough.

2. "A little good vomit and day of runs" are not symptoms of flu, although vomiting can be an occasional side effect of too much mucous being swallowed.

3. People do NOT catch the flu from the flu shot. Many people wait until they see co-workers developing symptoms before getting the shot, which is TOO late. If they have already been exposed...

4. Some people have allergic reactions to the shot.

49 posted on 10/23/2004 11:23:10 AM PDT by TaxRelief
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To: TaxRelief

Since I am in no way new to FreeRepublic, your misconceptions have already proved false, so it is almost useless to go on since this in itself shows you don't you are talking about when it comes to me or what I know. Second, I did not say the vaccine caused the flu, I said the only people I have ever known who took the vaccine got the worst flu of their life, including the only person that works in my office, and since I didn't have the flu, or anybody else where I work for that matter, your assumption there is also false. The runs and vomit comment I made was obviously facetious, it has been a long long time since I had the flu so I can't recall the symptoms. It looks like you have only been around since 2003, maybe I should be telling you welcome to FreeRepublic. In closing I would still like to state, who cares about some "shortage" as I did with my initial comments. I am sorry if I don't subscribe to the "common knowledge" that you may offer, but that is that.


50 posted on 10/23/2004 12:27:58 PM PDT by Mediterranean Madman
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