Skip to comments.United Methodists Call for Accountable Leadership (Petition for B/C to repent)
Posted on 10/22/2004 10:56:20 PM PDT by hipaatwo
Who are we? We are United Methodists bringing a letter of complaint against United Methodist Church members George W. Bush and Richard "Dick" Cheney for their chargeable offenses of crime, immorality, disobedience to the order and discipline of The United Methodist Church (UMC), and dissemination of doctrine contrary to the established standards of doctrine of The UMC. We are calling for accountability and repentance from these two members for their sinful behavior. This specific letter of complaint originates from two United Methodist members, Rev. Courtney Ball and Josh Steward, from the Iowa Annual Conference, but we are encouraging anyone who reads the letter below and agrees with it to sign their name to the letter as well. When the letter has had time to circulate and gain signatures, it will be presented to the various recipients listed on the letter in order that they may investigate the claims and push for a resolution to the complaint.
Our hope: Our hope is that George W. Bush and Dick Cheney (respondents) will recognize the sinfulness of their actions, sincerely repent for what they have done, and move on to change their ways. Although we recognize the improbability of that outcome, we believe that with God all things are possible.
If, however, they do not repent sincerely, immediately, and publicly for their chargeable offenses, we believe that the respondents should have their membership revoked from The United Methodist Church until such time that they see the error of their ways and wish to return.
Why are we doing this? We are taking this action as Christians who are desperate to hold two of our own accountable. We, as United Methodists, understand that it is our duty to support and encourage our members and our leaders, and we have been doing so faithfully through prayers and petitions. But enough is enough. The guidance of our bishops and our church-members has been ignored by the respondents for too long. Too many people have died or suffered from the sins of these two men. Now it is time for them to answer for their actions with repentance, to turn back and follow the teachings of Jesus Christ, or to be judged for not doing so.
Read and Sign the Letter: Read the letter of complaint, and if you are a member of the United Methodist Church, add your name to the list of signatures. The more signatures we get, the clearer the message is that we will not stand for two of our own perpetrating these crimes against humanity
I stopped going to church 27 years ago. Methodist church, if I recall.
Barf Alert...Go elect a woman or gay as minister and leave us alone.
When Methodists try to act like Catholics it just comes out all wrong somehow.
just evil filling there hearts
Say, isn't the United Methodist Church one of the principal funders and supporters of The Religious Coalition for Reproductive Choice (= Abortion Rights)?
After promoting the murder of 40 million unborn babies, they're calling on Bush and Cheney to repent????
That takes brass bells (in your belfry), heh?
What do they claim their "sins" are?
This is so lame.
i wonder if this is a 527 doing the methodist church .... this just sounds so out of character for them...
I don't get it, these 2 guys out of the whole conference are going to call out Bush/Cheney. Who are they? Nobody I bet (or k-wad staffers). Do they expect this to be shattering or scathing? Is this the best they can do to try to counter the Catholics (like me) who despise k-wad and are supporting Bush?
If you'd like to respond to them, here's their email address:
What are their "sins"?
The church I joined as a youth had nothing bad to say about the sort of middle of the road politics of John F. Kennedy, which is who George W. Bush most resembles.
If the church has moved to the political left along with the Democratic Party since then, I recognize no obligation to follow it there. Leftism is simply saying whatever will make you feel superior to the people who actually are expert in the problem you are discussing and therefore understand that simply saying a magic formula will not solve the world's problems overnight.
I wrote the following letter to them:
Why did I find your organization on a pro-abortion website and a pro-homosexual website? Do you even read the REAL Bible? Both are condemned by God Almighty, you may or may not know Him, but He created you and everyone in your congregation, and believe it or not.....THE ENTIRE UNIVERSE!!! Do you know what that means. HE gets to make the rules, and YOU people must obey them or pay the consequences for YOUR disobedience. YOU must obey the 10 Commandments (they are not the 10 suggestions), and YOU must remember that He is not just a God of Love, but a Righteous and Holy God, a Jealous God who demands that YOU worship HIM and HIM ALONE!!! Did you heretics know that? So I think you should, as Jesus said, "Remove the logs in YOUR OWN EYES FIRST, so that you can see clearly when removing the sliver in President Bush's and Vice President Cheney's eyes. Did you also know that women according to the Bible are not suppose be Pastors or Reverends and the like in any Christian Church? You should confess to God Almighty if you have done this also. And because God Almighty considers homosexuality an abomination, He also abhors homosexual marriages or unions, and therefore any homosexual unions and marriages performed by any Christian minister or in any Christian Church is an abomination also. Did you know that? WELL, you know it now, so it's time for your church to repent of your total disobedience to God's Word, Laws, Statutes, and Covenants.
I'm lost on this, I'm Jewish. But I don't see what either one of them need to repent for. The petition confused the hell out of me because I see the two of them acting within their faith.
This is an embarrassment. Especially if you're a Methodist...and I am. I've always been proud to share the same denomination as the President. Unfortumately, their statement is not a surprise to me because people in nat'l leadership positions have been trending left for quite awhile now. How can we let them know they don't speak for us??
In my faith we have women Rabbi's now. Creeps me out big time.
I really don't know. I grew up in a houseful of left Dem's. After Sept. 11th and seeing the ilk that has come out of the Dem party and the liberal Jews I know, I don't understand it either.
I think Bush/Cheney are acting in their faith as well, genuinely. I wonder who these two are? Are they supposed to be "heavy hitters" in their church? I think this is just a feeble attempt for them to say that there are "fellow" Methodists who are opposed to Bush.
What diseased souls they are.
Too bad this crap always reflects badly on the UMC. The vast majority would likely lock these maroons out of the church on Sunday.
Check out the official web page, and see if you can find any reference to sin anywhere in there.
And of course, let the flaming of Fred begin...
What's the Bible say about "baring false witness against others"?
This is NOT an official UMC site..Some nitwits wrote the letter and I haved an idea the dems picked it up and ran with it..They didn't even get Bush's church right if I read the site correctly..
So far less than 700 signatures?..My one church is larger..Good Grief.
The sect was founded by John and Charles Wesley in the 1700's in their day they danced shouted and poeple spoke in other tongues in their meetings -- by 1840 they were so backslidden in England that when William Booth the founder of the salvation army (1869) preached in their churches he was expelled for shouting and daring to wave a hankerchief to make a point in a message.
In the 1970's they joined with the world council of churches -- I wrote extensevely about that in two posts early last summer -- The denomination was taken over by radicals at about the same time that the democratic party was taken over.
The sinners are the united methodist church members. They must be smoking crack to have made such an outrageous statement. These fools remind me of the mindless liberal preacher in the movie, "ZULU." I would also presume they are having their delusional kerry moment. Bush/Cheney 2004
Jesus said " He that is without sin , cast the first stone "
Hey ? ministers ? ARE YOU WITHOUT SIN ? GET YOUR OWN HOME IN RIGHT ORDER BEFORE YOU EXPECT BUSH AND CHENEY TO REPENT !!!
These are the people who go around proclaiming to others that they are a christian. My first thought would be why are you telling me? Are they insecure in what they portray? A real christian doesn't have to go around in a religious fervor thumping the good book. One will be identified by their good works and not frantic verbal self- expression. "Deeds Not Words" Bush/Cheney 2004 Let's Roll!!
Six Words in Response: Sola Fide, Sola Gratia, Sola Deo Gloria.
I can repeat them again if somehow these 'Methodists' don't get it.
2 words: Free Methodist
Maybe thirty pieces of silver from the kerry kooks have greased some palms. As Abe said, better to remain silent and thought a fool, than to speak and remove all doubt. These are just some radicals and does not reflect on all methodists.Bush/Cheney 2004
UMC churches vary in their strict biblical allegiance, as well. I visited one in Jackson, Mississippi that, except for the characteristic Arminian theological bent of Methodism, could have passed for its Southern Baptist brethren.
opps.. I meant in my passed posting ( young people can spot and see a phony when they see one ).
"Come, let us reason together, though thy sins be as scarlet"
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