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To: Still Thinking
the debate has been moved too far to the left. ..........it's considered a victory for a Republican merely to hold the status quo............Doesn't some positive progress have to be made as a floodwall against future liberal governments?

Absolutely. But how, pray tell, is a Kerry Presidency going to accomplish that? (And by voting "L" that is precisely what the practical result of your voting will be). Best to let the GOP "hold the status quo" while citizen-patriots actively attempt to move the debate away from its current (far left) position on the politcal spectrum. Politicians themselves are rarely (if ever) able to move that debate, only grassroots efforts and unforeseen events (like 9/11) can.

Former (big L) Libertarian Ron Paul eventually realized the futility of remaining on that sinking ship and is now a Republican. .......and he didn't have to change his views one iota to do it. Libertarians would be wise to follow his lead.

21 posted on 10/23/2004 11:06:13 AM PDT by Mr. Mojo
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To: Mr. Mojo

I wasn't suggesting not voting for Bush, or even commenting on the issue as it relates to the presidential election (thus being a bit off topic, I admit), just carping about the assumptions underlying the argument. But I'll ask the corresponding question: How are these "citizen patriots" going to restore the issue to its proper form?


22 posted on 10/23/2004 11:11:54 AM PDT by Still Thinking
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To: Mr. Mojo
Former (big L) Libertarian Ron Paul eventually realized the futility of remaining on that sinking ship and is now a Republican. .......and he didn't have to change his views one iota to do it. Libertarians would be wise to follow his lead.

I've been a libertarian since the 1980s but I don't view the Republican party as the enemy, as do many libertarians. The R's and the L's have a common enemy...the LEFT. It is far more important to defeat the left and the only way to do it is by working together.

51 posted on 10/27/2004 5:28:03 PM PDT by jess35
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