Skip to comments.Fighters Escort Two Small Planes Away From Bush Rally
Posted on 10/23/2004 2:43:45 PM PDT by sheikdetailfeather
Fighters Escort Two Small Planes Away From Bush Rally
POSTED: 3:48 pm EDT October 23, 2004 UPDATED: 5:31 pm EDT October 23, 2004
MELBOURNE, Fla. -- Federal authorities said Saturday two small private planes violated restricted air space over a campaign rally by President George W. Bush at a Melbourne baseball stadium.
Fighter jets escorted the plane to Merritt Island Airport near Cocoa Beach, according to the Federal Aviation Administration. The Secret Service has interviewed the pilot. FAA spokesman Greg Martin said further action is possible.
Reporters covering Bush's campaign event said the military jets drowned out Bush's words at Space Coast Stadium.
Earlier at a Lakeland event, a plane was escorted to an airport in nearby Winter Haven after it violated the president's airspace.
The activity in the sky repeatedly distracted the crowd from Bush's speechs.
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Why are small planes even allowed to go anywhere near where the President is?
What is this, Sept 10th?
Demo-terrorists at it again?
They should have taken them out
Hmmmmm...is right. Are these events in the same pattern as the sign vandalism, voter intimidation, headquarters' break-ins?????
Those idiots are damn lucky they didn't get their butts shot down.
Who knew that John Sweeney and George Soros knew how to fly airplanes?
Talk to the air traffic controllers
I hear the ......PPP....coming as we speak.
>>>Why are small planes even allowed to go anywhere near where the President is?
They're not. The pilots were in violation of restricted air space.
That was just the AFL-CIO on vacation in FL.
I would be willing to bet these are just more democrat anarchist tactics. Throw the book at them.
"FAA spokesman Greg Martin said further action is possible. "
This sounds like it was more serious, than we may know.
I assume that airspace over such an event is restricted only temporarily, while the event is in progress, and not indicated on any map. Since I am not a pilot, can anybody tell me how private planes are supposed to know about these temporary restrictions?
Well, Jimmy-Jim-cricket - what will they think of next -
Great response by our guys though - nice to see - makes one feel they are on top of anything that might come this way -
just my opinion
C-Span showed the event on Tv. I was getting nervous, the jet roar was continous and for at least 5 minutes. A number of times the Secret Service was looking up nervously and moved out of position.
I think C-span will be re-running shortly.
VFR TFR's can be an SOB. Check the ATIS or call FSS. Otherwise your SOL with the FAA.
They are not allowed. But how do you stop them, except escort them or shoot them down.
There are temporary no-fly restrictions, of which pilots are notified, someone posted that on another thread.
Some pilots choose to disregard them.
After a couple of them would get shot down, maybe they would pay more attention.
Crop Duster Buzzes Bush Appearance in Florida
Here is the post, which posted the official restriction:
I was born and raised in Winter Haven - home town ping.
I think CSPAN is going to re-air the rally at 6:00pm EST (NOW!) for anyone who missed it earlier.
No Josh, I'm sure a NOTAM was issued for pilots. However, people who don't obey the laws wouldn't care would they? That's the trouble with government, sometimes people just don't pay any attention to them.
"The President's travels and the TFR's, Temporary Flight Restrictions, which result are published and disseminated constantly by the FAA.
To be ignorant of them means the pilot never checked nor did he receive an official weather briefing via a Flight Service Station which would have contained them."
From this post:
And check out the actual restriction in post 51 of the same thread.
It was probably George Stepanopolus & Craig Livingstone in thier Chicken George outfits with banners reading "Iran-Contra Dogs You"
Mirage, this is Eagle, I have tone, permission to fire, Sir?
CSPAN 1 NOW SHOWING MELBOURNE RALLY.
Sure - that would have been a good move - reigning down pieces of burning metal on the President or members of the crowd - great idea! [I don't need a tag do I?]
C-Span repeating it just now.
Two planes. One pilot. Now that is NEWS.
Splash one Piper Cub. I repeat Splash the Cub.
More detail about one of the planes here:
"Hargrove said he had set out from Brunswick, Ga., this morning, landed for fuel and lunch in Flagler County and headed south again. He said he knew of flight restrictions around Jacksonville, and made a wide circle around the city, but didn't know of anything unusual over Brevard.
Upon overflying Space Coast Stadium, he circled to see what the crowd was about.
He realized something was wrong when the fighter closed in. Hargrove switched to an emergency radio frequency, on which he was ordered to land at Merritt Island."
C-span repeating just now.
THE RATS HAVE TURNED INTO A RATHER DIRTY BUNCH OF ANIMALS!!!
> Why are small planes even allowed to go anywhere
> near where the President is?
They aren't, but with all the impromptu unscheduled
campaigning being done, unless the pilots check the
NOTAMs for new TFRs just before take-off, they won't
have any idea, until an F16 appears along side.
This is highly unlikely to be a DNC attempt to
heckle from the air. The reports I've seen indicate
that at least one of these planes was close enough
to the rally that ground fire would not have been
I doubt if this had been a serious attempt at anything - the pilots would have followed the other planes away. Probably safe to think these are guys/gals who don't know what they should know in order to fly around this nation - since 9/11. Some people just don't get it yet -
in my opinion -
Beautiful Day in Florida! Look at all the enthused people! FOUR MORE YEARS! FOUR MORE YEARS!
A pie carpet-bombing?
Oh Hargrove.... you got some splainin to do.
Naturally, these pilots will claim ignorance on the airspace violation, and I hope the FAA doesn't cut 'em any slack.
Then all of those some should lose their wings permanently. That'll serve as a wake-up call to stop screwing around.
We don't need any Air Canada flights making an unscheduled stop at Fenway......
Are pilots required to check such things before they take off?
I'm not being argumentitive, I honestly don't know.
The plane I saw on TV was just a piddly little thing, the kind I assumed could just take off or land on any grass strip as long as the pilot had a license. No need to check with anybody as long as the pilot stayed in the mapped space where such joyrides are allowed.
If the pilot was simply participating in Flight Following he would have been advised well in advance of busting the TFR. Instead He's flying fat and happy and out of comm with everyone. He will have his own personal TFR once the FAA yanks his ticket for a few months.
I'd hate to be on the receiving end of the ramp check those pilots received today. The FAA doesn't take it lightly when you don't bother to check the NOTAMs, nor should they.
I'd say a minimum 90 day suspension of their tickets is in order. They'll be lucky to keep their license at all, but at least suspend them for stupidity.
Maybe those were the planes with Jesse Jackson, Corrine Brown and all the disenfranchised disgruntled early voters who got bullied and tricked and were looking for the complaint booth.
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