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Fighters Escort Two Small Planes Away From Bush Rally
http://www.wesh.com ^ | October 23, 2004 | The Associated Press

Posted on 10/23/2004 2:43:45 PM PDT by sheikdetailfeather

Fighters Escort Two Small Planes Away From Bush Rally

POSTED: 3:48 pm EDT October 23, 2004 UPDATED: 5:31 pm EDT October 23, 2004

MELBOURNE, Fla. -- Federal authorities said Saturday two small private planes violated restricted air space over a campaign rally by President George W. Bush at a Melbourne baseball stadium.

Fighter jets escorted the plane to Merritt Island Airport near Cocoa Beach, according to the Federal Aviation Administration. The Secret Service has interviewed the pilot. FAA spokesman Greg Martin said further action is possible.

Reporters covering Bush's campaign event said the military jets drowned out Bush's words at Space Coast Stadium.

Earlier at a Lakeland event, a plane was escorted to an airport in nearby Winter Haven after it violated the president's airspace.

The activity in the sky repeatedly distracted the crowd from Bush's speechs.

Copyright 2004 by The Associated Press. All rights reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten or redistributed.


TOPICS: Front Page News; News/Current Events; US: Florida
KEYWORDS: bushrally; escort; lakeland; melbourne; planes
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The crowd was repeatedly distracted....hmmmmm.
1 posted on 10/23/2004 2:43:45 PM PDT by sheikdetailfeather
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To: sheikdetailfeather


Why are small planes even allowed to go anywhere near where the President is?

What is this, Sept 10th?


2 posted on 10/23/2004 2:44:53 PM PDT by Josh in PA
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To: sheikdetailfeather

Demo-terrorists at it again?


3 posted on 10/23/2004 2:44:59 PM PDT by MisterRepublican
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To: sheikdetailfeather

They should have taken them out


4 posted on 10/23/2004 2:45:48 PM PDT by debboo (Stop socialism, vote conservative)
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To: sheikdetailfeather

Hmmmmm...is right. Are these events in the same pattern as the sign vandalism, voter intimidation, headquarters' break-ins?????


5 posted on 10/23/2004 2:46:13 PM PDT by Molly Pitcher (How do you ask a goose to be the last goose to die for a shameless political stunt???)
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To: sheikdetailfeather

Those idiots are damn lucky they didn't get their butts shot down.


6 posted on 10/23/2004 2:46:24 PM PDT by dc-zoo
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To: sheikdetailfeather

Who knew that John Sweeney and George Soros knew how to fly airplanes?


7 posted on 10/23/2004 2:46:30 PM PDT by orangelobster
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To: Josh in PA

Talk to the air traffic controllers


8 posted on 10/23/2004 2:46:41 PM PDT by debboo (Stop socialism, vote conservative)
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To: sheikdetailfeather

I hear the ......PPP....coming as we speak.


9 posted on 10/23/2004 2:47:39 PM PDT by cynicom (<p)
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To: Josh in PA

>>>Why are small planes even allowed to go anywhere near where the President is?

They're not. The pilots were in violation of restricted air space.


10 posted on 10/23/2004 2:47:51 PM PDT by Keith in Iowa (At CBS - "We don't just report news - we make it - up.")
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To: sheikdetailfeather

That was just the AFL-CIO on vacation in FL.


11 posted on 10/23/2004 2:48:11 PM PDT by Taggart_D
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To: sheikdetailfeather

I would be willing to bet these are just more democrat anarchist tactics. Throw the book at them.


12 posted on 10/23/2004 2:50:12 PM PDT by McGavin999 (We have planted the seeds of democracy and watered them with our blood, now let freedom reign)
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To: sheikdetailfeather

"FAA spokesman Greg Martin said further action is possible. "

This sounds like it was more serious, than we may know.


13 posted on 10/23/2004 2:51:11 PM PDT by FairOpinion (GET OUT THE VOTE. ENSURE A BUSH/CHENEY WIN.)
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To: dc-zoo
Those idiots are damn lucky they didn't get their butts shot down.

I assume that airspace over such an event is restricted only temporarily, while the event is in progress, and not indicated on any map. Since I am not a pilot, can anybody tell me how private planes are supposed to know about these temporary restrictions?

14 posted on 10/23/2004 2:51:17 PM PDT by Willie Green (Hawkins/Tonnelson in 2004!!!)
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To: sheikdetailfeather

Well, Jimmy-Jim-cricket - what will they think of next -


Great response by our guys though - nice to see - makes one feel they are on top of anything that might come this way -



just my opinion


15 posted on 10/23/2004 2:51:58 PM PDT by Pastnowfuturealpha
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To: sheikdetailfeather

C-Span showed the event on Tv. I was getting nervous, the jet roar was continous and for at least 5 minutes. A number of times the Secret Service was looking up nervously and moved out of position.
I think C-span will be re-running shortly.


16 posted on 10/23/2004 2:52:40 PM PDT by tort_feasor (www.swiftvets.com)
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To: sheikdetailfeather

VFR TFR's can be an SOB. Check the ATIS or call FSS. Otherwise your SOL with the FAA.


17 posted on 10/23/2004 2:53:15 PM PDT by Pajama Blogger (Pajama Power)
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To: Josh in PA

They are not allowed. But how do you stop them, except escort them or shoot them down.

There are temporary no-fly restrictions, of which pilots are notified, someone posted that on another thread.

Some pilots choose to disregard them.

After a couple of them would get shot down, maybe they would pay more attention.


Crop Duster Buzzes Bush Appearance in Florida
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1254568/posts

Here is the post, which posted the official restriction:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1254568/posts?page=51#51


18 posted on 10/23/2004 2:53:52 PM PDT by FairOpinion (GET OUT THE VOTE. ENSURE A BUSH/CHENEY WIN.)
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To: sheikdetailfeather

I was born and raised in Winter Haven - home town ping.


19 posted on 10/23/2004 2:53:58 PM PDT by taxcontrol (People are entitled to their opinion - no matter how wrong it is.)
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To: sheikdetailfeather
Drudge has an Article from the UK GUARDIAN in bold red letters:

UK GUARDIAN: 'John Wilkes Booth, Lee Harvey Oswald, John Hinckley Jr - where are you now that we need you?'...


We need to pray and pray hard!! I wouldn't doubt for one minute SOROS has hired a hit man to kill our president!! This is getting extremely insane and scary!! GAWD, I LOATHE THE RATS....I'm praying hard that God destroys every scum rat there is, especially, SOROS, MOORE, the MSMwhores etc___________...fill in the blank!! You get the point!
20 posted on 10/23/2004 2:54:10 PM PDT by RoseofTexas
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To: Pastnowfuturealpha

I think CSPAN is going to re-air the rally at 6:00pm EST (NOW!) for anyone who missed it earlier.


21 posted on 10/23/2004 2:54:31 PM PDT by sheikdetailfeather
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To: Josh in PA

No Josh, I'm sure a NOTAM was issued for pilots. However, people who don't obey the laws wouldn't care would they? That's the trouble with government, sometimes people just don't pay any attention to them.


22 posted on 10/23/2004 2:54:52 PM PDT by dljordan
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To: Willie Green

"The President's travels and the TFR's, Temporary Flight Restrictions, which result are published and disseminated constantly by the FAA.
To be ignorant of them means the pilot never checked nor did he receive an official weather briefing via a Flight Service Station which would have contained them."

From this post:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1254568/posts?page=16#16

And check out the actual restriction in post 51 of the same thread.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1254568/posts?page=51#51



23 posted on 10/23/2004 2:55:42 PM PDT by FairOpinion (GET OUT THE VOTE. ENSURE A BUSH/CHENEY WIN.)
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To: sheikdetailfeather

It was probably George Stepanopolus & Craig Livingstone in thier Chicken George outfits with banners reading "Iran-Contra Dogs You"


24 posted on 10/23/2004 2:55:46 PM PDT by nobs04
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To: Pajama Blogger

PDQ!


25 posted on 10/23/2004 2:57:44 PM PDT by JennysCool (Terrorism: Not a global test, John, but a pop quiz.)
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To: debboo
They should have taken them out

Mirage, this is Eagle, I have tone, permission to fire, Sir?

26 posted on 10/23/2004 2:58:44 PM PDT by EGPWS
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To: RoseofTexas

CSPAN 1 NOW SHOWING MELBOURNE RALLY.


27 posted on 10/23/2004 2:58:44 PM PDT by sheikdetailfeather
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To: debboo

Sure - that would have been a good move - reigning down pieces of burning metal on the President or members of the crowd - great idea! [I don't need a tag do I?]


28 posted on 10/23/2004 2:58:45 PM PDT by The Final Harvest (Election 2004: This election is for the SOUL OF AMERICA)
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To: RightWhale

ping


29 posted on 10/23/2004 2:58:59 PM PDT by shield (The Greatest Scientific Discoveries of the Century Reveal God!!!! by Dr. H. Ross, Astrophysicist)
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To: tort_feasor

C-Span repeating it just now.


30 posted on 10/23/2004 2:59:51 PM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg (John Kerry is a GirlyManchurian Candidate.)
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To: sheikdetailfeather
The Secret Service has interviewed the pilot.

Two planes. One pilot. Now that is NEWS.

31 posted on 10/23/2004 3:00:40 PM PDT by Fester Chugabrew
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To: EGPWS

Splash one Piper Cub. I repeat Splash the Cub.


32 posted on 10/23/2004 3:01:06 PM PDT by Pajama Blogger (Pajama Power)
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To: sheikdetailfeather

More detail about one of the planes here:

http://www.floridatoday.com/!NEWSROOM/102304bushplane.htm

"Hargrove said he had set out from Brunswick, Ga., this morning, landed for fuel and lunch in Flagler County and headed south again. He said he knew of flight restrictions around Jacksonville, and made a wide circle around the city, but didn't know of anything unusual over Brevard.

Upon overflying Space Coast Stadium, he circled to see what the crowd was about.

He realized something was wrong when the fighter closed in. Hargrove switched to an emergency radio frequency, on which he was ordered to land at Merritt Island."


33 posted on 10/23/2004 3:01:10 PM PDT by FairOpinion (GET OUT THE VOTE. ENSURE A BUSH/CHENEY WIN.)
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To: sheikdetailfeather

C-span repeating just now.


34 posted on 10/23/2004 3:01:13 PM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg (John Kerry is a GirlyManchurian Candidate.)
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To: sheikdetailfeather
Sounds the RATS are at it again. Just before President Bush's first debate. A fake anthrax scare happened...in Florida so our Prez had to spend most of the day on that, instead of resting and preparing for the first debate.

THE RATS HAVE TURNED INTO A RATHER DIRTY BUNCH OF ANIMALS!!!


35 posted on 10/23/2004 3:02:54 PM PDT by shield (The Greatest Scientific Discoveries of the Century Reveal God!!!! by Dr. H. Ross, Astrophysicist)
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To: Josh in PA

> Why are small planes even allowed to go anywhere
> near where the President is?

They aren't, but with all the impromptu unscheduled
campaigning being done, unless the pilots check the
NOTAMs for new TFRs just before take-off, they won't
have any idea, until an F16 appears along side.

This is highly unlikely to be a DNC attempt to
heckle from the air. The reports I've seen indicate
that at least one of these planes was close enough
to the rally that ground fire would not have been
surprising.


36 posted on 10/23/2004 3:02:55 PM PDT by Boundless (Was your voter registration sabotaged by ACORN? Don't find out Nov. 2. Vote early.)
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To: RoseofTexas

I doubt if this had been a serious attempt at anything - the pilots would have followed the other planes away. Probably safe to think these are guys/gals who don't know what they should know in order to fly around this nation - since 9/11. Some people just don't get it yet -


in my opinion -


37 posted on 10/23/2004 3:03:14 PM PDT by Pastnowfuturealpha
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To: Dr. Eckleburg

Beautiful Day in Florida! Look at all the enthused people! FOUR MORE YEARS! FOUR MORE YEARS!


38 posted on 10/23/2004 3:03:18 PM PDT by sheikdetailfeather
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To: sheikdetailfeather

A pie carpet-bombing?


39 posted on 10/23/2004 3:03:38 PM PDT by SquirrelKing ("I have to march because my mother couldn't have an abortion." - Maxine Waters (D-California)
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To: Willie Green
I assume that airspace over such an event is restricted only temporarily, while the event is in progress, and not indicated on any map. Since I am not a pilot, can anybody tell me how private planes are supposed to know about these temporary restrictions?

NOTAMS (Notice to Airmen) that are required reading before flying into any area.
40 posted on 10/23/2004 3:03:39 PM PDT by jimthewiz
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To: FairOpinion

Oh Hargrove.... you got some splainin to do.


41 posted on 10/23/2004 3:04:03 PM PDT by Pajama Blogger (Pajama Power)
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To: sheikdetailfeather
Seems there's always some jackass in Florida just aching to get his wings pulled. I can't tell you how many times some idiot enters Kennedy Space Center's airspace during shuttle countdowns.

Naturally, these pilots will claim ignorance on the airspace violation, and I hope the FAA doesn't cut 'em any slack.

42 posted on 10/23/2004 3:05:25 PM PDT by Prime Choice (The Leftists think they can tax us into "prosperity" and regulate us into "liberty.")
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To: SquirrelKing
A pie carpet-bombing?

BWAAAAAAAH!!!!

43 posted on 10/23/2004 3:06:52 PM PDT by sheikdetailfeather
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To: FairOpinion
Some pilots choose to disregard them.

Then all of those some should lose their wings permanently. That'll serve as a wake-up call to stop screwing around.

44 posted on 10/23/2004 3:07:15 PM PDT by Prime Choice (The Leftists think they can tax us into "prosperity" and regulate us into "liberty.")
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To: sheikdetailfeather
I'm wondering whether we have CAP in the Boston area tonight for the game.

We don't need any Air Canada flights making an unscheduled stop at Fenway......

45 posted on 10/23/2004 3:08:04 PM PDT by ninonitti
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To: FairOpinion
To be ignorant of them means the pilot never checked nor did he receive an official weather briefing via a Flight Service Station which would have contained them."

Are pilots required to check such things before they take off?
I'm not being argumentitive, I honestly don't know.
The plane I saw on TV was just a piddly little thing, the kind I assumed could just take off or land on any grass strip as long as the pilot had a license. No need to check with anybody as long as the pilot stayed in the mapped space where such joyrides are allowed.

46 posted on 10/23/2004 3:09:02 PM PDT by Willie Green (Hawkins/Tonnelson in 2004!!!)
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To: jimthewiz

If the pilot was simply participating in Flight Following he would have been advised well in advance of busting the TFR. Instead He's flying fat and happy and out of comm with everyone. He will have his own personal TFR once the FAA yanks his ticket for a few months.


47 posted on 10/23/2004 3:09:47 PM PDT by Pajama Blogger (Pajama Power)
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To: jimthewiz

I'd hate to be on the receiving end of the ramp check those pilots received today. The FAA doesn't take it lightly when you don't bother to check the NOTAMs, nor should they.

I'd say a minimum 90 day suspension of their tickets is in order. They'll be lucky to keep their license at all, but at least suspend them for stupidity.


48 posted on 10/23/2004 3:10:15 PM PDT by datura (Let's roll? No, Lock and load.)
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To: Willie Green
In my experience as a pilot years ago the presence of any kind of fighters flying CAP is a dead give away. Of course it is usually to late by the time you see them!
49 posted on 10/23/2004 3:11:29 PM PDT by mad_as_he$$ (Frell Stark , this is the other side. I was hoping to go back.)
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To: Prime Choice

Maybe those were the planes with Jesse Jackson, Corrine Brown and all the disenfranchised disgruntled early voters who got bullied and tricked and were looking for the complaint booth.


50 posted on 10/23/2004 3:11:41 PM PDT by sheikdetailfeather
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