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Cheney says if Kerry had been president, Soviet Union likely would still exist
AP ^ | October 23, 2004 | MARK EVANS

Posted on 10/23/2004 5:12:02 PM PDT by Tailgunner Joe

The Soviet Union might still exist and Saddam Hussein might control the Persian Gulf and possess nuclear weapons had Democrat John Kerry been president when the United States faced those regimes, Vice President Dick Cheney said Saturday.

"I think it's a good thing that he wasn't in charge," Cheney said.

Kerry asserted Friday that had he been president during the war in Afghanistan, terrorist leader Osama bin Laden would be in captivity or dead. The Democratic nominee has long criticized President Bush for abandoning the pursuit of the alleged mastermind of the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks so that U.S. forces could invade Iraq and topple Saddam.

Contending that the Massachusetts senator was "claiming that the world would be a whole lot better if he had been president," Cheney suggested to supporters at a rally that he believed the world would be far worse off.

"Let's go back to the 1970s when John Kerry was saying that we should only deploy U.S. troops under the authority of the United Nations," the vice president said, citing a statement Kerry made in 1970 after returning from Vietnam service. "One way the world might look if he had been in charge is, we would have ceded our right to defend ourselves to the United Nations."

Cheney said Kerry campaigned for the Senate on a platform of opposing major weapons systems that, during the Reagan administration, helped win the Cold War. "So if John Kerry had been in charge, maybe the Soviet Union would still be in business," the vice president said.

Kerry voted against going to war in the Persian Gulf in 1991 after Saddam had invaded Kuwait. "So if John Kerry had been in charge, Saddam might well control the Persian Gulf today," Cheney said.

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1 posted on 10/23/2004 5:12:02 PM PDT by Tailgunner Joe
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To: Tailgunner Joe

If it wasn't for both Reagan and the Iron Lady the Soviet Union may not have received its final death knell. They ignored the long haired freaky people to our benefit.


2 posted on 10/23/2004 5:15:47 PM PDT by Lord Nelson
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To: Tailgunner Joe
"Mr. Gorbachev...tear down this wall! Wait...no, don't tear it down."
3 posted on 10/23/2004 5:16:37 PM PDT by JanetteS
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To: Tailgunner Joe

This is awesome. The Republicans really have nail Kerry on his record. The way Cheney puts it is very simple for people to see and it's not speculation or second guessing. They are using Kerry's votes against him to paint a picture of a passivist.


4 posted on 10/23/2004 5:17:33 PM PDT by Wonderama (,)
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To: JanetteS
GO CHENEY!!! I just wish they'd update their quotes. skerry said he'd go U.N. in 1994 and just last April!
5 posted on 10/23/2004 5:20:18 PM PDT by Woogit (IN GOD I TRUST...NO MATTER WHAT!)
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To: Tailgunner Joe

If JFK had been president during those crisis we would be an occupied country speaking Russian. All 25 million of us.


6 posted on 10/23/2004 5:21:06 PM PDT by crazyhorse691 (I volunteer to instruct JFK on the meaning of a purple heart!!)
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To: Tailgunner Joe

Likely my butt. We would be calling you comrade tailgunner.


7 posted on 10/23/2004 5:22:02 PM PDT by cripplecreek (We've turned the corner and we're not smokin crack.)
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To: Tailgunner Joe

Kerry has no objection to Communism, if you don't believe it, read his statement to congress. He praises that system, and calls ours the evil empire.


8 posted on 10/23/2004 5:22:11 PM PDT by ladyinred (John Kerry is flipping off America!)
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To: Tailgunner Joe
In addition, Kerry flip-flopped from ceding US sovereignty to the UN, to opposing the US' resort to the UN in the Gulf War, to ceding US sovereignty to the UN by opposing the liberation of Iraq... with Kerry, no one can predict what he'll do next. Even those who disagree here or there with Bush know what he's likely to do.

George W. Bush will win reelection by a margin of at least ten per cent

9 posted on 10/23/2004 5:24:24 PM PDT by SunkenCiv ("All I have seen teaches me trust the Creator for all I have not seen." -- Emerson)
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To: Tailgunner Joe

Hard to see how anybody could argue Cheney's statement.

Of course, that's true for a scenario involving a lot of people who might have been in charge (imagine Jimmy Carter, there's a nightmare scenario). I personally would go further and say that we might be speaking Russian by now if Kerry were in charge.


10 posted on 10/23/2004 5:29:18 PM PDT by JustaCowgirl (Terrorists will "global test" us right off the planet)
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To: Tailgunner Joe

Kerry considers communism to be just another "ism", no better or worse than democracy/capitalism. Kerry's ammoralism explains his behavior quite well.


11 posted on 10/23/2004 5:34:11 PM PDT by TheDon (The Democratic Party is the party of TREASON)
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To: Tailgunner Joe
In the Vietnam war, the North Vietnamese invader was a Soviet client state supplied by Soviet arms.

As soon as John Kerry had engineered his early trip home from the war, he set out to assist the Soviet and North Vietnamese enemies. He repeated the "war crimes" disinformation spun out by the Soviet Secret Police (KGB) and pumped to the U.S. "anti-war" movement. He and his leftist cohort dreamed up the nastiest lies they could think of about America and our armed forces. Kerry even went to Paris to meet with the Communist "peace" delegation -- and urged this country to accede to their complete list of demands, that is, surrender in every detail to the Communists.

Kerry kept right on supporting Communist regimes -- for instance, in Nicaragua, in Vietnam, in Cuba, and in trying to reimpose the Marxist ruler in Haiti. Does anyone recall what role he may have had in that bizarre Clinton / Albright business of giving enriched uranium to North Korea, the world's nastiest communist state?

John Kerry would have done nothing about the Soviets except lick their boots and send them nuclear secrets.

12 posted on 10/23/2004 5:36:53 PM PDT by T'wit (Remarkable! John Kerry manages to be a stuffed shirt and an empty suit at the same time.)
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To: Tailgunner Joe

See this new post about Kerry and ASAT weapons as well:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1254825/posts


13 posted on 10/23/2004 5:36:56 PM PDT by TFine80 (DK'S)
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To: Tailgunner Joe

It's doubtful whether the Soviet Union would have fallen unless Reagan had worked closely with the Pope and Lech Walensa. Democrat union leaders in the AFL-CIO also helped. And the CIA could be counted on to help out.

Things have changed enormously since then. The idea of Kerry working closely with Pope JP II or with Solidarity is laughable. He was on the other side.


14 posted on 10/23/2004 5:41:25 PM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: Tailgunner Joe

Cheney is right.

Check out this flashback:

'85 COLD WAR FLASHBACK: Kerry interrupts immigration debate to halt the next day's ASAT (Anti-Satellite Weapon) test.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1254825/posts


15 posted on 10/23/2004 5:57:22 PM PDT by FairOpinion (GET OUT THE VOTE. ENSURE A BUSH/CHENEY WIN.)
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To: Lord Nelson

Absolutely.


16 posted on 10/23/2004 6:06:14 PM PDT by Anti-Bubba182
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To: Tailgunner Joe

If it were up to any Demo Rat president (Kennedy, Johnson, Carter, Clinton) the Soviet Union would still exist. And if any Demo Rat were in the White House on 911, Saddam Hussein would still be engaged in mass murder and torture, the Taliban would still be running Afghanistan, and we would have had many more terrorist attacks here in the United States. Iraq by now would have supplied WMD to terrorists attacking us.


17 posted on 10/23/2004 6:07:07 PM PDT by foofoopowder
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To: JanetteS

The soviet union tore down the wall, before they didn't tear it down.


18 posted on 10/23/2004 6:19:52 PM PDT by ruiner
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To: Tailgunner Joe

The problems we have now is a perfect example of why traitors should be tried and subject to prison and appropriate sentences.


19 posted on 10/23/2004 6:28:41 PM PDT by Henchman (Who gave KERRY entré to the VC @ Paris? T.Kennedy? McGovern? ...some"high" low D'rat probably)
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To: ruiner

Wrong wall, at the wrong place, at the wrong time.


20 posted on 10/23/2004 6:29:34 PM PDT by JanetteS
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To: JanetteS

LOL!


21 posted on 10/23/2004 6:47:40 PM PDT by madameguinot
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To: Tailgunner Joe
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Kerry would have rolled out the red carpet for the Soviets.

Here are some of Kerry's greatest achievements in his Senate career:

Stopping the funding for the Nicaraguan Contras after bring back a peace agreement with Daniel Ortega of the Sandanistas (which was worthless). Ortega turned around and solicited $200 million from the Soviets a few days later. Read: Kerry's Disloyal Nicaraguan Journey and Don't forget 'The John Kerry Committee'

Blocking the vote on the Vietnam Human Rights Act in the Senate in 2001, which tied U.S. aid to Vietnam's human rights performance, and had passed by a 410-1 margin in the House of Representatives. Kerry, chairman of the Senate's East Asian and Pacific Affairs subcommittee, said in a statement at the time that he and fellow Vietnam War veteran Senator John McCain (R-Ariz.) "are concerned that denying aid to Vietnam would actually slow human rights improvements." Many Vietnamese living abroad, along with human rights campaigners, say conditions in Vietnam have deteriorated in the three years since Kerry blocked the legislation.

Persuading the MIA/POW Senate committee to vote unanimously that no POWs existed in Vietnam in order to open up trade with Vietnam (his cousin C. Stewart Forbes, CEO of Colliers Intl, received a contract for a huge commercial deal worth at least $905 million to develop a deep-sea commercial port at Vung Tau). For more on the POW/MIA issue, here is a great article: When John Kerry's Courage Went M.I.A. - Senator covered up evidence of P.O.W.'s left behind

For more, check out the John F. Kerry Timeline. Email it to your friends, post on your blogs.
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22 posted on 10/23/2004 7:14:58 PM PDT by christie (John F. Kerry Timeline - http://www.archive-news.net/Kerry/JK_timeline.html)
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To: Tailgunner Joe
How does Kerry define captured?

Does He mean captured as in inviting bin Laden to come live in one of his guest houses or captured as in helping to put bin laden in the White house?

Either way the definition is in his plan.
23 posted on 10/23/2004 7:43:59 PM PDT by ORep.
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To: crazyhorse691
If JFK had been president during those crisis we would be an occupied country speaking Russian. All 25 million of us.

Er- isn't that 250 million? or were you presuming a few mushroom clouds in there? Geesh..

24 posted on 10/23/2004 8:57:09 PM PDT by Murph
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To: Tailgunner Joe

Cheney absolutly right. In the 1980s the liberal elitist said Reagan was simple minded for believing freedom would prevail in eastern Europe and said that we'd have to make concessions to the Soviets. Now, the same people call Bush simple minded for believing freedom will prevail in Iraq and Afghanistan and say we must make concessions to the terrorists.


25 posted on 10/23/2004 9:04:08 PM PDT by JohnBDay
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To: Lord Nelson

The Soviet Union was destined to collapse. Their backward economy mandated it. President Reagan simply accelerated the process with his bold governing and leadership. However, while he dealt with the ruthless Konstantin Chernenko in a manner deserving of the former head of the KGB (who made Rooty Poot Poot look like a piker), he embraced Mikhail Gorbachev as a man who could pull the Soviets out of their 75-year nightmare.


26 posted on 10/23/2004 9:04:22 PM PDT by Archangelsk (Plain, simple soldier. Nothing more, nothing less.)
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To: Tailgunner Joe

Yeah and there are a lot of nuts down at the Peace and Justice center who are still mad that the Soviet Union fell. The sad fact is they think that Cheney's statement is a selling point for Kerry.


27 posted on 10/23/2004 9:06:47 PM PDT by armymarinemom (Children and kids don't wear wings or blood stripes.)
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To: Tailgunner Joe

I'm voting for Bush-Cheney, but I wish I were voting for Cheney-Bush.


28 posted on 10/23/2004 9:25:59 PM PDT by CharliefromKS
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To: CharliefromKS; Lando Lincoln; Dog Gone; Grampa Dave; Southack
"I'm voting for Bush-Cheney, but I wish I were voting for Cheney-Bush."

I hear tell that a lot of extreme leftist Demonicrats (everybody left of Zell Miller, Ed Koch & Sam Nunn) think that's what we've already got! Especially the ANSWER crowd, Ramsey Clark, Jimmy Carter and Michael Moore (sitting together at the Dem Convention) along with most of the MSM!!!

By the way... Anybody heard anything from Sam Nunn lately?

29 posted on 10/23/2004 10:47:23 PM PDT by SierraWasp (LONG LIVE "WINNER TAKE ALL!!!" Down with "Cows Don't Vote!!!" Stop "Rural Cleansing!!!")
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To: SierraWasp; Howlin

Sam Nunn is the favorite to be announced as a Nobel Peace Prize Winner just in time to influence this election.

 

Albanian weapons added to Lugar-Nunn program




Washington editor

Chemical weapons in Albania left over from the country’s former Communist government will be destroyed next year under a program started by Sen. Richard Lugar, R-Ind. It marks the first expansion of the non-proliferation program outside the former Soviet Union.

The Bush administration formally approved the use of $20 million to pay for the elimination of 16 tons of the chemicals. The money is part of the Nunn-Lugar program, created 13 years ago by Lugar and former Sen. Sam Nunn, D-Ga., as a way to speed up the destruction of nuclear, chemical and biological and other weapons in former Soviet republics.

“The original Nunn-Lugar bill was concerned with the former Soviet Union because that is where the vast majority of weapons and materials of mass destruction were,” Lugar said. “Today we must be prepared with money and expertise to extend the Nunn-Lugar concept wherever it can be usefully applied.”

Under the non-proliferation program, 6,300 nuclear warheads have been destroyed, as well as hundreds of ICBMs, nuclear air-to-surface missiles, submarine missile launchers, nuclear submarines, bombers and nuclear test tunnels. Since its beginning, the Nunn-Lugar program has spent about $5 billion.

“Russia will continue to be a major focus,” Lugar said of the expanded program, “but emerging risks must also be addressed in the Middle East, Asia and elsewhere.”


30 posted on 10/23/2004 10:54:31 PM PDT by Southack (Media Bias means that Castro won't be punished for Cuban war crimes against Black Angolans in Africa)
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To: wardaddy; rdb3; mhking; Trueblackman; Sabertooth; Travis McGee; Buckhead; Doctor Raoul; kristinn; ..
Remember the 2002 October Surprise...

October 21, 2002
Plains friends greet Nobel-winner Carter
By Eric Rangus erangus@emory.edu
Out of sight of the 13 television cameras trained on the podium, draped above the Old Bank Café in downtown Plains, Ga., was a large, handwritten banner: “Congratulations, Jimmy. We Love You.”

31 posted on 10/23/2004 10:59:17 PM PDT by Southack (Media Bias means that Castro won't be punished for Cuban war crimes against Black Angolans in Africa)
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To: All
My bad. False alarm.

Medal

The Nobel Peace Prize 2004

"for her contribution to sustainable development, democracy and peace"
 
Wangari Maathai
Wangari Maathai
Kenya
b. 1940

32 posted on 10/23/2004 11:02:51 PM PDT by Southack (Media Bias means that Castro won't be punished for Cuban war crimes against Black Angolans in Africa)
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To: Southack

Is it time this go around for a caucazoid to head the UN?


I'm guessing it is since the Pretender is angling.

Shudder the thought.


That would be a great time to leave.


33 posted on 10/23/2004 11:05:31 PM PDT by wardaddy (handmaidens for everyone!)
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To: Southack

But is Sam still alive?


34 posted on 10/23/2004 11:07:03 PM PDT by SierraWasp (LONG LIVE "WINNER TAKE ALL!!!" Down with "Cows Don't Vote!!!" Stop "Rural Cleansing!!!")
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To: wardaddy

"Leaving" just means giving up our veto. Better to stay and veto everything than to leave altogether.

35 posted on 10/23/2004 11:07:22 PM PDT by Southack (Media Bias means that Castro won't be punished for Cuban war crimes against Black Angolans in Africa)
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To: SierraWasp

"'The president said the terrorists are racing ahead in their effort to obtain nuclear materials,' (former Senator Sam) Nunn said. 'But we are walking.'" (Sanger, New York Times, 2/12/04)


36 posted on 10/23/2004 11:09:08 PM PDT by Southack (Media Bias means that Castro won't be punished for Cuban war crimes against Black Angolans in Africa)
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To: Southack

I rest my case... Thanks.


37 posted on 10/23/2004 11:15:17 PM PDT by SierraWasp (LONG LIVE "WINNER TAKE ALL!!!" Down with "Cows Don't Vote!!!" Stop "Rural Cleansing!!!")
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To: Tailgunner Joe

Cheney's correct, of course. Had Kerry been President, the USSR would still exist. Further, I believe had Kerry been President during the "Reagan Era," everything south of the border would now be under Sandinista control.


38 posted on 10/24/2004 5:44:26 AM PDT by NCPAC (Social Darwinists Unite!)
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To: foofoopowder
And if any Demo Rat were in the White House on 911, Saddam Hussein would still be engaged in mass murder and torture,
In Kuwait.

-Eric

39 posted on 10/24/2004 6:12:09 AM PDT by E Rocc (Team America: More reality based than Farenheit 911, even with puppets.)
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To: Tailgunner Joe
Cheney says if Kerry had been president, Soviet Union likely would still exist

And........

Saddam would OWN Kuwait.

After all...Kerry VOTED against going to Kuwait to stop Saddam's invastion there (even tho the UN was behind doing so! Talk about FLIP-FLOP!) and worse, talk about a man who makes the WRONG DECISIONS consistently.

We need a man with a heart for JUSTICE in our Oval Office. Not a coward who has consistently voted to trash our military throughout his entire career as a senator and a MAN who cannot be bothered to do his job as a senate intelligence committee member!

Kerry-America's largest metro-sexual, a man driven by a life long ambition to be president, even tho his track record says this is the last man to ever be a Commander in Chief.

Kerry-the global permission seeker, the popularity buff, the hollywood favorite and the weakest and most 'traitorous' senator I know.

40 posted on 10/24/2004 6:18:02 AM PDT by Republic (Will michael shiavo and his concubine and children now preside over the murder of Terri?)
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To: Southack

Nice!


41 posted on 10/24/2004 7:10:08 AM PDT by jmstein7 (A Judge not bound by the original meaning of the Constitution interprets nothing but his own mind.)
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To: armymarinemom
Several points here one of which is caution and the others one to be proud of.

1) The cautionary one first - the RATS think you already have Cheney/Bush and IMHO to speak almost wistfully of this undermines the Presidency.

2) In fact IMHO in a positive and in no way undermining GWB position you almost have a joint Presidency. Never have a President and Vice President worked so closely with daily meetings plus a personal relationship which goes back to GWB time as Governor in Texas when dare I say it Cheney was CEO at Haliburton.

3) Cheney provides wise counsel to your President but your President is an intelligent man and knows when to take this advise and when to go with his point of view.

4) In a post 9/11 mindset this relationship has also taken on further importance not only because of Cheney's Secretary of Defence experience but also because of added threats to the President. That is why the choice of Vice President is more important now than at any time. Cheney fits that role perfectly and in GWB's own words "Cheney could be President - next".

5) You have the best of both worlds the charisma of Bush and the experience and calmness of Cheney. He manages and handles pressure and stress like we eat breakfast. IMHO his heart problems have never been due to stress if so he would never have coped with the first Gulf War, personal attacks on him and his family and most importantly 9/11.

6) GWB respects and needs Cheney and IMHO Cheney will see the full 4 years out as VP because Bush wants him to. The only way this may not happen is if the GOP insist in putting in a candiate in the mid term who could run as President 2008 but I do not see it because GWB will not want that. If they do then my prediction is that Liz Perry (Cheney) will run for office of some sort in the mid term and Dick and Lynne will campaign full time for her. Lynne on the Bush/Cheney website has already said she fancies running an election campaign for one of her daughters or even grandchildren in the years to come.
43 posted on 10/24/2004 10:08:59 AM PDT by snugs (An English Cheney Chick - BIG TIME)
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To: Tailgunner Joe
"So if John Kerry had been in charge, maybe the Soviet Union would still be in business," the vice president said.

Cheney should have said the Soviet Union "would definitely" still be in business, not "maybe"!!!
44 posted on 10/24/2004 10:35:25 AM PDT by Swede Girl
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To: Tailgunner Joe

Well THAT'S one way to make sure that the hard left turns out at the polls to vote FOR Kerry.


45 posted on 10/24/2004 10:38:01 AM PDT by weegee (George Soros has probably spent more on this election that many rock stars make in a year.)
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To: Republic

John Kerry would also be a recipient of the Neville Chamberlain "peace in our lifetime" award...


46 posted on 10/24/2004 10:38:54 AM PDT by weegee (George Soros has probably spent more on this election that many rock stars make in a year.)
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To: weegee

LOL!!! < with a certain degree of disdain and disgust! >


47 posted on 10/24/2004 10:40:27 AM PDT by Republic (Will michael shiavo and his concubine and children now preside over the murder of Terri?)
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To: Tailgunner Joe

Cheneys right but incomplete. Not only would the Soviet Union still exist, Saddam Hussein would be Emperor of the Middle East if Kerry had gotten his way.


48 posted on 10/24/2004 10:42:09 AM PDT by jwalsh07 (Always ask yourself, does this pass the Global Test?)
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To: Tailgunner Joe

If John Kerry was president during the Cold War, we would be speaking Russian and end up in a Gulag and die a slow and painful death.


49 posted on 10/24/2004 1:37:43 PM PDT by Ptarmigan (Proud rabbit hater and killer)
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To: Tailgunner Joe
Evans - YOU LOSER! - it's not "Cheney says if Kerry had been president, Soviet Union likely would still exist", it's a DEAD CERT there'd still be a Soviet Union.

MARK EVANS - say what you will.

50 posted on 10/24/2004 4:31:13 PM PDT by sevry
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