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LIBERTARIAN PARTY FOUNDER ENDORSES BUSH
AN OPEN LETTER TO ALL LIBERTARIANS | 10-24-2004 | Dr. John Hospers

Posted on 10/24/2004 10:37:30 AM PDT by Y2Krap

LIBERTARIAN PARTY FOUNDER ENDORSES BUSH

From Elder Statesman John Hospers * * *

AN OPEN LETTER TO LIBERTARIANS

Dear Libertarian:

As a way of getting acquainted, let me just say that I was the first presidential candidate for the Libertarian Party back in l972, and was the author of the first full-length book, Libertarianism, describing libertarianism in detail. I also wrote the Libertarian Party’s Statement of Principles at the first libertarian national convention in 1972. I still believe in those principles as strongly as ever, but this year -- more than any year since the establishment of the Libertarian Party -- I have major concerns about the choices open to us as voting Americans.

There is a belief that’s common among many libertarians that there is no essential difference between the Democrat and Republican Parties -- between a John Kerry and a George W. Bush administration; or worse: that a Bush administration would be more undesirable. Such a notion could not be farther from the truth, or potentially more harmful to the cause of liberty.

The election of John Kerry would be, far more than is commonly realized, a catastrophe. Regardless of what he may say in current campaign speeches, his record is unmistakable: he belongs to the International Totalitarian Left in company with the Hillary and Bill Clintons, the Kofi Annans, the Ted Kennedys, and the Jesse Jacksons of the world. The Democratic Party itself has been undergoing a transformation in recent years; moderate, pro-American, and strong defense Senators such as Zell Miller, Joe Lieberman and Scoop Jackson are a dying breed. Observe how many members of the Democrat Party belong to the Progressive Caucus, indistinguishable from the Democratic Socialists of America. That caucus is the heart and soul of the contemporary Democratic Party.

Today’s Democrats have been out of majority power for so long that they are hungry for power at any price and will do anything to achieve it, including undermining the President and our troops in time of war; for them any victory for Americans in the war against terrorism is construed as a defeat for them.

The Democratic Party today is a haven for anti-Semites, racists, radical environmentalists, plundering trial lawyers, government employee unions, and numerous other self-serving elites who despise the Constitution and loath private property. It is opposed to free speech – witness the mania for political correctness and intimidation on college campuses, and Kerry’s threat to sue television stations that carry the Swift Boat ads. If given the power to do so, Democrats will use any possible means to suppress opposing viewpoints, particularly on talk radio and in the university system. They will attempt to enact “hate speech” and “hate crime” laws and re-institute the Fairness Doctrine, initiate lawsuits, and create new regulations designed to suppress freedom of speech and intimidate their political adversaries. They will call it “defending human rights.” This sort of activity may well make up the core of a Kerry administration Justice Department that will have no truck with the rule of law except as a weapon to use against opponents.

There are already numerous stories of brownshirt types committing violence against Republican campaign headquarters all over the country, and Democrat thugs harassing Republican voters at the polls. Yet not a word about it from the Kerry campaign. Expect this dangerous trend to increase dramatically with a Kerry win, ignored and tacitly accepted by the liberal-left mainstream media. This is ominous sign of worse things to come.

Kerry, who changes direction with the wind, has tried to convince us that he now disavows the anti-military sentiments that he proclaimed repeatedly in the l970s. But in fact he will weaken our military establishment and devastate American security by placing more value on the United Nations than on the United States: for example he favors the Kyoto Treaty and the International Criminal Court, and opposed the withdrawal of the U.S. from the ABM Treaty. He has been quoted as saying that it is honorable for those in the U.S. military to die under the flag of the U.N. but not that of the U.S. Presumably he and a small cadre of bureaucrats should rule the world, via the U.N. or some other world body which will make all decisions for the whole world concerning private property, the use of our military, gun ownership, taxation, and environmental policy (to name a few). In his thirty-year career he has demonstrated utter contempt for America, national security, constitutional republicanism, democracy, private property, and free markets.

His wife’s foundations have funneled millions of dollars into far-left organizations that are virulently hostile to America and libertarian principles. Not only would these foundations continue to lack transparency to the American people, they would be given enormous vigor in a Kerry administration.

Already plans are afoot by the Kerry campaign to steal the coming election via a legal coup, e.g. to claim victory on election night no matter what the vote differential is, and initiate lawsuits anywhere and everywhere they feel it works to their advantage, thus making a mockery of our election process, throwing the entire process into chaos -- possibly for months -- and significantly weakening our ability to conduct foreign policy and protect ourselves domestically. Let me repeat: we are facing the very real possibility of a political coup occurring in America. Al Gore very nearly got away with one in 2000. Do not underestimate what Kerry and his ilk are going to attempt to do to America.

George Bush has been criticized for many things – and in many cases with justification: on campaign finance reform (a suppression of the First Amendment), on vast new domestic spending, on education, and on failing to protect the borders. No self-respecting libertarian or conservative would fail to be deeply appalled by these. His great virtue, however, is that he has stood up -- knowingly at grave risk to his political viability -- to terrorism when his predecessors, Ford, Carter, Reagan, and Clinton did not. On many occasions during their administrations terrorists attacked American lives and property. Clinton did nothing, or engaged in a feckless retaliation such as bombing an aspirin factory in the Sudan (based on faulty intelligence, to boot). Then shortly after Bush became president he was hit with “the big one:” 9/11. It was clear to him that terrorism was more than a series of criminal acts: it was a war declared upon U.S. and indeed to the entire civilized world long before his administration. He decided that action had to be taken to protect us against future 9/11s involving weapons of mass destruction, including “suitcase” nuclear devices.

Indeed, today it is Islamic fundamentalism that increasingly threatens the world just as Nazis fascism and Soviet communism did in previous decades. The Islamo-fascists would be happy to eliminate all non-Muslims without a tinge of regret. Many Americans still indulge in wishful thinking on this issue, viewing militant Islam as a kind of nuisance, which can be handled without great inconvenience in much the same way as one swats flies, rather than as hordes of genocidal religious fanatics dedicated to our destruction.

The president has been berated for taking even minimal steps to deal with the dangers of this war (the allegations made against the Patriot Act seem to me based more on hysteria and political opportunism than on reality). But Bush, like Churchill, has stood steadfast in the face of it, and in spite of the most virulent hate and disinformation campaign that any American president has had to endure. Afghanistan is no longer a safe haven for terrorists. Saddam’s regime is no longer a major player in the worldwide terror network. Libya has relinquished their weapons of terror. The Pakistani black market in weapons of mass destruction has been eliminated. Arafat is rotting in Ramallah. Terrorist cells all over the world have been disrupted, and thousands of terrorists killed. The result: Americans are orders of magnitude safer.

National defense is always expensive, and Bush has been widely excoriated for these expenditures. But as Ayn Rand memorably said at a party I attended in l962, in response to complaints that “taxes are too high” (then 20%), “Pay 80% if you need it for defense.” It is not the amount but the purpose served that decides what is “too much.” And the purpose here is the continuation of civilized life on earth in the face of vastly increased threats to its existence.

Bush cut income tax rates for the first time in fifteen years. These cuts got us moving out of the recession he inherited, and we are all economically much better off because of them. 1.9 million new jobs have been added to the economy since August 2003. Bush has other projects in the wind for which libertarians have not given him credit. For example:

(l) A total revision of our tax code. We will have a debate concerning whether this is best done via a flat tax or a sales tax. If such a change were to occur, it would be a gigantic step in the direction of liberty and prosperity. No such change will occur with Kerry.

(2) A market-based reform of Social Security. This reform, alone, could bring future budget expenditures down so significantly that it would make his current expenditures seem like pocket change. Kerry has already repudiated any such change in social security laws.

The American electorate is not yet psychologically prepared for a completely libertarian society. A transition to such a society takes time and effort, and involves altering the mind-set of most Americans, who labor under a plethora of economic fallacies and political misconceptions. It will involve a near-total restructuring of the educational system, which today serves the liberal-left education bureaucracy and Democratic Party, not the student or parent. It will require a merciless and continuous expose of the bias in the mainstream media (the Internet, blogs, and talk radio have been extremely successful in this regard over the past few years). And it will require understanding the influence and importance of the Teresa Kerry-like Foundations who work in the shadows to undermine our constitutional system of checks and balances.

Most of all, it will require the American people -- including many libertarians – to realize the overwhelming dangerousness of the American Left – a Fifth Column comprised of the elements mentioned above, dedicated to achieving their goal of a totally internationally dominated America, and a true world-wide Fascism.

Thus far their long-term plans have been quite successful. A Kerry presidency will fully open their pipeline to infusions of taxpayer-funded cash and political pull. At least a continued Bush presidency would help to stem this tide, and along the way it might well succeed in preserving Western civilization against the fanatic Islamo-fascists who have the will, and may shortly have the weapons capability, to bring it to an end.

When the stakes are not high it is sometimes acceptable, even desirable, to vote for a ‘minor party’ candidate who cannot possibly win, just to “get the word out” and to promote the ideals for which that candidate stands. But when the stakes are high, as they are in this election, it becomes imperative that one should choose, not the candidate one considers philosophically ideal, but the best one available who has the most favorable chance of winning. The forthcoming election will determine whether it is the Republicans or the Democrats that win the presidency. That is an undeniable reality. If the election is as close as it was in 2000, libertarian voters may make the difference as to who wins in various critical “Battle Ground” states and therefore the presidency itself. That is the situation in which we find ourselves in 2004. And that is why I believe voting for George W. Bush is the most libertarian thing we can do.

We stand today at an important electoral crossroads for the future of liberty, and as libertarians our first priority is to promote liberty and free markets, which is not necessarily the same as to promote the Libertarian Party. This time, if we vote libertarian, we may win a tiny rhetorical battle, but lose the larger war.

John Hospers

Los Angeles, CA


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To: Bat_Chemist

Same one I got from him, my friend.


151 posted on 10/24/2004 7:12:36 PM PDT by George Smiley (The only 180 that Kerry hasn't done is the one that would release ALL his military records.)
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To: Mo1
This is the second major Libertarian player to strongly and powerfully endorse President Bush in two days. I am very heartened to see that there are libertarians who still have their whole brain available to think with. So often they start out with good arguments, but then fall short when they have to deal with reality. These two endorsements show that is not the only possibility, and gives me further hope for this country.
152 posted on 10/24/2004 7:17:17 PM PDT by AFPhys ((.Praying for President Bush, our troops, their families, and all my American neighbors..))
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To: AFPhys
So often they start out with good arguments, but then fall short when they have to deal with reality.

Now you know why I describe myself as a small-l libertarian with strong constitutionalist tendencies...

: ^ )

By the way, Dr. Hospers indicated that he'd never been here but had received information from FR from third parties before.

I sent him links to a couple of the more interesting comments in this thread tonight, and the URL where you register.

I, for one would welcome having someone of his intellectual timbre posting here.

153 posted on 10/24/2004 7:30:16 PM PDT by George Smiley (The only 180 that Kerry hasn't done is the one that would release ALL his military records.)
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To: zeebee; Y2Krap; bahblahbah; Bat_Chemist; aj7360; OCMike
Y'all, it's not a good idea (or good netiquette) to put someone's email address up on a website that gets archived by search engines and is therefore accessible to spambots. Or worse, the folks at DU, who have been known to send hate mail on special occasions.

: ^ )

I've requested that your posts be redacted to remove his information.

154 posted on 10/24/2004 7:50:31 PM PDT by George Smiley (The only 180 that Kerry hasn't done is the one that would release ALL his military records.)
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To: Copernicus

I heard all this 4 years ago. I don't agree with you nor am I going to change your mind. So, Let just leave it at that. Perhaps someday we'll agree on something....I hope not.


155 posted on 10/24/2004 8:08:06 PM PDT by fritzz
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To: Homer_J_Simpson

Welcome to the Republican Liberty Caucus!


156 posted on 10/24/2004 8:19:47 PM PDT by Hermann the Cherusker
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To: Y2Krap

A Libertarian patriot. Wadda ya know?


157 posted on 10/24/2004 9:01:11 PM PDT by GVnana (If I had a Buckhead moment would I know it?)
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To: GVgirl

Now if the Constitution Party would wake up and do the right thing.


158 posted on 10/24/2004 9:04:29 PM PDT by CWOJackson
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To: Copernicus
Badnarik, as a Libertarian, believes in the checks and balances of a free market economy.

Most Americans feel that way, and they aren't Libertarians. I know I'm not.

159 posted on 10/24/2004 10:53:30 PM PDT by BigSkyFreeper (If you're for civil unions, you're for gay marriage)
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To: CWOJackson

If they stay home or decide to vote for their creepy candidate and get mad on November 3rd that the world didn't shift in their direction, I won't shed a tear.


160 posted on 10/24/2004 10:54:57 PM PDT by BigSkyFreeper (If you're for civil unions, you're for gay marriage)
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To: BigSkyFreeper

And if they actually do influence the election outcome in ANY state?


161 posted on 10/24/2004 10:57:47 PM PDT by CWOJackson
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To: CWOJackson

My point exactly, they won't have ANY influence.


162 posted on 10/24/2004 10:59:00 PM PDT by BigSkyFreeper (If you're for civil unions, you're for gay marriage)
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To: BigSkyFreeper

They succeeded in electing a liberal Senator in Washington state last election. The LP had a full court press on against the encumbant Republican; instead on putting their effort into local and state races they put it all into playing spoiler.


163 posted on 10/24/2004 11:01:07 PM PDT by CWOJackson
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To: CWOJackson
They succeeded in electing a liberal Senator in Washington state last election.

Hadn't realized that, but that's a good point you raise.

164 posted on 10/24/2004 11:14:37 PM PDT by BigSkyFreeper (If you're for civil unions, you're for gay marriage)
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To: Graymatter
However, when he lumps Kerry with leftists like Clinton & Clinton, I must protest. Kerry is WAY left of anyone who ever was born in Arkansas. Kerry is a globalist in the sense that the Clintons could never approach. They are, as Ayn Rand would have it, pikers. People like Kerry are far, far more dangerous.

You would be, perhaps correct if you were describing only BJ, but remember, Herself was not an Arkansas native, but a Chicagoan, and no bumpkin. She is every bit as dangerous as Kerry, for the same reasons...

the infowarrior

165 posted on 10/24/2004 11:16:06 PM PDT by infowarrior (TANSTAAFL)
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To: FrPR

Good for Farah!

BTW, I really like that musical intro. Who is that?


166 posted on 10/24/2004 11:35:51 PM PDT by k2blader (It is neither compassionate nor conservative to support the expansion of socialism.)
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To: FrPR

Farah's bit late on the bandwagon, but I'm glad he finally made the jump.


167 posted on 10/25/2004 12:41:55 AM PDT by Mr. Mojo
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To: Y2Krap

Great Essay.


168 posted on 10/25/2004 12:51:39 AM PDT by WOSG (George W Bush / Dick Cheney - Right for our Times!)
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To: Y2Krap

I am a lurker here.. I am a libertarian too like some in this thread. I was going to go Badnarik but I realized Bush did enough things I liked that I was going to vote for him. Namely the estate tax, and the marriage penalty.. removing those were the big things for me.

And as you guys know the presidency is so powerful at the moment, it doesn't seem like a good idea to throw away your vote to send a message.. when there is a lot of difference between Bush and Hanoi Kerry.

I still do plan to vote libertarian in local elections and state where the republican hasn't worked to limit the size of government though.


169 posted on 10/25/2004 1:39:30 AM PDT by libertyfighter
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To: Uncle Vlad

Excellent post!


170 posted on 10/25/2004 2:41:04 AM PDT by fortheDeclaration
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To: fritzz
I heard all this 4 years ago. I don't agree with you nor am I going to change your mind. So, Let just leave it at that. Perhaps someday we'll agree on something....I hope not.

Agreed. With 20/20 hindsight this seems almost prophetic....no?

What is the Bloody Point?

Best regards,

171 posted on 10/25/2004 5:44:58 AM PDT by Copernicus (A Constitutional Republic revolves around Sovereign Citizens, not citizens around government.)
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To: BigSkyFreeper
Most Americans feel that way, and they aren't Libertarians. I know I'm not.

Excellent!

Perhaps you will find this of value:

The federal government has nothing to fear from the Constitution

Best regards,

172 posted on 10/25/2004 5:56:39 AM PDT by Copernicus (A Constitutional Republic revolves around Sovereign Citizens, not citizens around government.)
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To: Uncle Vlad
I believe, my friends, we are in a Cold Civil War with the Democrat party, which is now run by its lunatic, far-Left fringe.

Affirmative on that. There's an old Russian proverb that the good Lord puts each of us on beautiful Earth at a certain time and in a certain place to do His work. Probably most do not carry out this duty or are unable to do so because of circumstances. But for those of us who have been made free - because of the sacrifices of others - and able to do so, it is our task to struggle against manifest evil. The sinner can be forgiven - but not the sin.

173 posted on 10/25/2004 7:42:49 AM PDT by mtntop3 ("He who must know before he believes will never come to full knowledge.")
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To: tpaine
Too bad that some self-avowed conservative-jihadics feel it necessary to make unfounded & ridiculous claims about libertarians.

Fortunately for GW, and the rest of us, they'll give the hateful little twits all the attention and consideration they deserve.

174 posted on 10/25/2004 8:01:16 AM PDT by tacticalogic ("Oh bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: muleskinner
How did you get this letter if nobody else has it and it's not posted anywhere?

And what font is it written in?

175 posted on 10/25/2004 8:05:40 AM PDT by steve-b (I put sentences together suspiciously well for a righty blogger.)
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To: tacticalogic

Read later


176 posted on 10/25/2004 8:06:04 AM PDT by CJ Wolf
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To: Sofa King
Let me fix that for you.

That's gonna be a kick in the nuts to a lot of liberals FReepers who think that the libertarian party is with them a punnish name for liberals.
177 posted on 10/25/2004 8:08:29 AM PDT by Xenalyte (And then I says, "Tell me I'm wrong!" and he says, "I can't, baby, 'cause you're NOT!")
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To: Xenalyte

ping


178 posted on 10/25/2004 8:17:31 AM PDT by KingPin
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To: Y2Krap
The American electorate is not yet psychologically prepared for a completely libertarian society. A transition to such a society takes time and effort, and involves altering the mind-set of most Americans, who labor under a plethora of economic fallacies and political misconceptions. It will involve a near-total restructuring of the educational system, which today serves the liberal-left education bureaucracy and Democratic Party, not the student or parent. It will require a merciless and continuous expose of the bias in the mainstream media (the Internet, blogs, and talk radio have been extremely successful in this regard over the past few years). And it will require understanding the influence and importance of the Teresa Kerry-like Foundations who work in the shadows to undermine our constitutional system of checks and balances.

Most of all, it will require the American people -- including many libertarians – to realize the overwhelming dangerousness of the American Left – a Fifth Column comprised of the elements mentioned above, dedicated to achieving their goal of a totally internationally dominated America, and a true world-wide Fascism.

A refreshing analysis from a man from a time past - back when the Libertarian Party made sense and was pragmatic instead of purist.

179 posted on 10/25/2004 8:20:37 AM PDT by dirtboy (Kerry could have left 'Nam within a week if Purple Hearts were awarded for shots to the foot.)
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To: KingPin

Have we already seen Losertarian, Liberaltarian, Liberdopian, and Libertine on this thread? Those are so clever. I can't get enough of them.


180 posted on 10/25/2004 8:21:02 AM PDT by Xenalyte (And then I says, "Tell me I'm wrong!" and he says, "I can't, baby, 'cause you're NOT!")
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To: Cultural Jihad

First, it's L. Ron, not H. Ron, and second, he founded Scientology, not the Libertarian Party. Thanks for playing, though.


181 posted on 10/25/2004 8:22:00 AM PDT by Xenalyte (And then I says, "Tell me I'm wrong!" and he says, "I can't, baby, 'cause you're NOT!")
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To: Xenalyte

What do you expect from someone who attributes quotes by Claire Wolfe to Che Guevera?


182 posted on 10/25/2004 8:25:58 AM PDT by tacticalogic ("Oh bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: tacticalogic

How did I miss THAT?


183 posted on 10/25/2004 8:26:34 AM PDT by Xenalyte (And then I says, "Tell me I'm wrong!" and he says, "I can't, baby, 'cause you're NOT!")
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To: Xenalyte

Different thread.


184 posted on 10/25/2004 8:33:03 AM PDT by tacticalogic ("Oh bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: tacticalogic; Xenalyte

What do you expect from someone who attributes quotes by Claire Wolfe to Che Guevera?
182 tacticalogic

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How did I miss THAT?
183 Xenalyte

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Different thread.
184 TL

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At one point years ago, someone posted a list of weird comments from our jihadic FRiend.
The project had to be abandoned when it grew too long.


185 posted on 10/25/2004 8:44:51 AM PDT by tpaine (No man has a natural right to commit aggression on the equal rights of another. - T. Jefferson)
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To: Y2Krap
Hospers has his head firmly attached to his shoulders, unlike some of the other nutbags who refuse to see reality.

The truth is that if the Libertarian Party is to succeed, its going to have to be from the ground up, which means local offices, then Congress, and then the biggie. The only thing the Libertarian Party accomplishes by fighting Bush is to piss off the libertarian Republicans who could be future allies.

186 posted on 10/25/2004 8:50:50 AM PDT by XJarhead
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To: CWOJackson

Since you are a small-l libertarian, I'd imagine that you're quite pleased with this article.


187 posted on 10/25/2004 10:03:54 AM PDT by jmc813 (J-E-T-S JETS JETS JETS)
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To: All

I received this from the posted e-mail address for John Hospers:

"I did write the letter. Thanks for asking for authentication. My e-mail address is johnjhospers@aol.com. Phone 323


. I'm in the L.A. directory."


188 posted on 10/25/2004 10:11:57 AM PDT by OCMike
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To: HalleysFifth
L. (not H.) Ron Hubbard was a totalitarian--never anything close to a libertarian in any sense, even if he tried to cloak himself that way.

You seem unfamilar with the poster's agenda. Truth is no friend to his ilk.

190 posted on 10/25/2004 10:20:33 AM PDT by Protagoras (When your circus has a big tent, you can fit a lot of clowns inside)
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To: Eastbound
he Libertarian will not strike first when he knows a fist is coming at his face? Will a Libertarian shoot first if someone points a loaded pistol at him and knows they are going to pull the trigger?

The libertarian as envisioned by the party's founder Hopkins (and his ideological model Ayn Rand) would certain react with pre-emption when faced with an imminent attack. Today's Libertarian Party, however, is being run by people who are so pacifistic that they would not even dare to use force reactively, let alone pro-actively.

191 posted on 10/25/2004 10:24:50 AM PDT by kevkrom (Power corrupts. Absolute power corrupts absolutely. But it rocks absolutely, too.)
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To: Cultural Jihad
create faux religions with another.

Kinda like pretending to be something one isn't.

192 posted on 10/25/2004 10:26:39 AM PDT by Protagoras (When your circus has a big tent, you can fit a lot of clowns inside)
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To: Skylab
Ayn Rand on the use of force:

"Dictatorship nations are outlaws. Any free nation had the right to invade Nazi Germany and, today, has the right to invade Soviet Russia, Cuba or any other slave pen. Whether a free nation chooses to do so or not is a matter of its own self-interest, not of respect for the non-existent "rights" of gang rulers. It is not a free nation's duty to liberate other nations at the price of self-sacrifice, but a free nation has the right to do it, when and if it so chooses."

"A slave nation has no national rights, but the individual rights of its citizens remain valid, even if unrecognized, and the conqueror has no right to violate them. Therefore, the invasion of an enslaved country is morally justified only when and if the conquerors establish a free social system, that is, a system based on the recognition of individual rights."

Who'd have thunk it? GWB is a Randian... :)

193 posted on 10/25/2004 10:29:34 AM PDT by kevkrom (Power corrupts. Absolute power corrupts absolutely. But it rocks absolutely, too.)
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To: jmc813

LOL! I'm pleased that this guy has a clue...what a shame the LP doesn't. I guess you haven't read their latest press release...where they gleefully acknowledge their whole game plan is to defeat President Bush.


194 posted on 10/25/2004 10:30:18 AM PDT by CWOJackson
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To: Y2Krap

I have a couple of Libertarian friends. I should send this to them.

All they seem to do is mumble about the Patriot Act. Yet NONE of them can say why they disagree with it in any detail.

I've got a few misgivings about the act myself, but still, it's a stupid reason to throw your vote away.


195 posted on 10/25/2004 10:32:33 AM PDT by zbigreddogz
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To: Protagoras
Stop the presses! A self-avowed libertarian ideologue is committing oh-so principled fraud!
196 posted on 10/25/2004 11:55:16 AM PDT by Cultural Jihad
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To: Cultural Jihad
A self-avowed libertarian ideologue is committing oh-so principled fraud!

As opposed to outright lies by the self avowed soldier for the war on the American culture.

197 posted on 10/25/2004 11:59:41 AM PDT by Protagoras (When your circus has a big tent, you can fit a lot of clowns inside)
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To: Protagoras

Needless to say, you will not be able to come up with a half a quote which even remotely implies I am at war with American culture, but don't let that stop your oh-so-principled fraudulent words.


198 posted on 10/25/2004 12:04:21 PM PDT by Cultural Jihad
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To: CWOJackson
LOL! I'm pleased that this guy has a clue...what a shame the LP doesn't. I guess you haven't read their latest press release...where they gleefully acknowledge their whole game plan is to defeat President Bush.

Doesn't surprise me. The LP is a bunch of jackasses.

199 posted on 10/25/2004 12:08:36 PM PDT by jmc813 (J-E-T-S JETS JETS JETS)
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To: Protagoras
You seem unfamilar with the poster's agenda. Truth is no friend to his ilk.

Huh? I'm unfamiliar with what you're trying to tell me.

It's no big deal, though if you just want to drop it.
200 posted on 10/25/2004 12:11:35 PM PDT by HalleysFifth
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