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LIBERTARIAN PARTY FOUNDER ENDORSES BUSH
AN OPEN LETTER TO ALL LIBERTARIANS | 10-24-2004 | Dr. John Hospers

Posted on 10/24/2004 10:37:30 AM PDT by Y2Krap

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To: muleskinner

Im waiting for confirmation before I blast this out to the world.


51 posted on 10/24/2004 11:19:45 AM PDT by Names Ash Housewares
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To: muleskinner; Y2Krap
You are taking a big chance posting this and encourageing folks to post it elsewhere.

I concur. Especially since the claim has no source and there's no such release on the Libertarian Party web site.

This better not be a CBS moment.

It's starting to smell like one. Big time.

52 posted on 10/24/2004 11:20:37 AM PDT by Prime Choice (The Leftists think they can tax us into "prosperity" and regulate us into "liberty.")
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To: Names Ash Housewares

Waiting for confirmation of sources.....Always a good choice.


53 posted on 10/24/2004 11:21:14 AM PDT by muleskinner
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To: Y2Krap

I am one more libertarian (small "L")who will be voting for Bush. Let the left be the idiots who vote for Nader and shoot themselves in the foot.


54 posted on 10/24/2004 11:22:04 AM PDT by muir_redwoods
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To: fritzz
I've always said those libertarians really know what they're doing...I did say that, I think?

I dunno. In 1990 or thereabouts, I reregistered Libertarian in California out of disgust for George I and his failure to read his own lips. It quickly came to my attention that the Libertarian party (at least in CA) was run by a bunch of moonbats who seemed mostly concerned with being able to puff their doobies free of government sanction.

I came home to the Republicans pretty quickly.

That said, Hospers sounds like his head is screwed on pretty well. His letter sounds like what I thought the Libertarian party would be like.

55 posted on 10/24/2004 11:23:02 AM PDT by ModelBreaker
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To: aj7360
Interesting letter. However without a source it is completely worthless. Could you please share the source with us????

It's been nearly an hour since the initial posting and no credible source has been cited apart from an AOL address (yeah...like no-one claiming to be someone else can get an AOL address, right?).

This thing is starting to smell like Bravo Sierra.

56 posted on 10/24/2004 11:23:16 AM PDT by Prime Choice (The Leftists think they can tax us into "prosperity" and regulate us into "liberty.")
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To: ModelBreaker
It quickly came to my attention that the Libertarian party (at least in CA) was run by a bunch of moonbats who seemed mostly concerned with being able to puff their doobies free of government sanction.

It ain't just the Californian Liberalitarians...

57 posted on 10/24/2004 11:24:18 AM PDT by Prime Choice (The Leftists think they can tax us into "prosperity" and regulate us into "liberty.")
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To: Y2Krap
The Democratic Party today is a haven for anti-Semites, racists, radical environmentalists, plundering trial lawyers, government employee unions, and numerous other self-serving elites who despise the Constitution and loath private property. It is opposed to free speech – witness the mania for political correctness and intimidation on college campuses, and Kerry’s threat to sue television stations that carry the Swift Boat ads. If given the power to do so, Democrats will use any possible means to suppress opposing viewpoints, particularly on talk radio and in the university system. They will attempt to enact “hate speech” and “hate crime” laws and re-institute the Fairness Doctrine, initiate lawsuits, and create new regulations designed to suppress freedom of speech and intimidate their political adversaries. They will call it “defending human rights.” This sort of activity may well make up the core of a Kerry administration Justice Department that will have no truck with the rule of law except as a weapon to use against opponents.

Powerful paragraph- really makes the case against sKerry and the Demoncraps. This is a lot of the reason why I wouldn't dream of voting for Lurch.

58 posted on 10/24/2004 11:27:30 AM PDT by mafree
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To: muir_redwoods

Thanks for supporting this president! From a dem site (not DU, btw):


There are four third-party candidates, not just Nader. While Cobb (Green) is on the ballot in barely more than half the states, and mostly states where the outcome is not in doubt, Peroutka and Nader are on in 3/4 or so, and Badnarik (Libertarian) is on the ballot everywhere except NH and OK, including every battleground state except NH. (YMMV on NH as a battleground).
A poll on Ohio that is a 3-way Bush Kerry Nader is just wrong, because (accuracy depends on litigation) Nader is not on the ballot in Ohio, but Badnarik the Libertarian (whose draw is very different than Nader's) is there and drawing votes.

These bad three-way polls selectively damage the Kerry campaign, because they show a 3-way with Nader competing with Kerry for votes, but fail to show Peroutka selectively scooping up conservatives, and Badnarik doing the Libertarian thing. It is worthwhile for Kerry supporters to call for competent polling where the pollees are given correct lists of the candidates: Honest polling helps Kerry.


by phillies on Sat Oct 23rd, 2004 at 08:40:56 PM EST



Re: More Bad Polling (none / 0)

Good comment. Badnarik's vote totals may surprise everyone.

by Mark Fulwiler on Sun Oct 24th, 2004 at 04:36:02 AM EST


59 posted on 10/24/2004 11:28:14 AM PDT by ride the whirlwind (“You shall judge of a man by his foes as well as by his friends.” – Joseph Conrad)
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To: muleskinner; Names Ash Housewares

Sent an email to the aol address informing him of this thread and that people were doing a "Cite, please" on the endorsement-

BTW if you websearch on the aol email address one hit comes up on what looks like an Objectivist site.


60 posted on 10/24/2004 11:29:26 AM PDT by George Smiley (The only 180 that Kerry hasn't done is the one that would release ALL his military records.)
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To: ModelBreaker
At one time I took a look at the Libertarian's. I didn't stay around to long. On an absolute Utopian view it looks pretty good, but overall there philosophy just won't fly. Most Libertarians, I believe, are frustrated 'Pubs. So, Welcome home to one and all.
61 posted on 10/24/2004 11:31:03 AM PDT by fritzz
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To: aj7360
A lot of good points in this letter.

Could someone let me know if/when this is confirmed as real??
62 posted on 10/24/2004 11:31:51 AM PDT by Castro (My money, my vote, my Bush.)
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To: Y2Krap

Um, yahoo search lists only one John Hospers living in CA. If anyone wants to call him up and confirm that would be nice, though I'd bet he wouldn't like to be swarmed with phone calls .

http://phone.people.yahoo.com/py/psPhoneSearch.py?srch=bas&D=1&FirstName=John&LastName=Hospers&City=Los+Angeles&State=CA&Phone=&Search=Yahoo%21+Search


63 posted on 10/24/2004 11:32:48 AM PDT by bahblahbah
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To: rineaux
10K lawyers alone equal chaos. Gore tried it to an extent in 2000, but kerry has brought more force with him. We have to stop the hi-jacking of this election and America.

Kerry may get his very own French Revolution over here. :>) People are very sick of lawyers hijacking our system.

64 posted on 10/24/2004 11:33:06 AM PDT by boycott
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To: fritzz
You are endorsing Mr. Kerry? Bold stroke.

I endorse and will cast my vote for Mr. Badnarik.

However, given the astounding ineptitude of Republicans and the even more astounding criminality of DemocRATs I fully expect Mr. Kerry to claim the White House in a few short days.

Perhaps my use of the Free Republic Search engine is incompetent, but I am unable to find more than a few posts on the topic of Hugo Chavez and the Venezuelan elections which I believe will be the paradigm for our election in November.

Best regards,

65 posted on 10/24/2004 11:33:58 AM PDT by Copernicus (A Constitutional Republic revolves around Sovereign Citizens, not citizens around government.)
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To: Y2Krap

Yet to hear from Harry "blame America first" Browne.

Whata partee.


66 posted on 10/24/2004 11:34:13 AM PDT by truth_seeker
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To: Y2Krap

"johnjhospers" is currently online on AIM. I'm afraid I don't have the nerve to IM him... not that it's really him.

Any takers?? lol


67 posted on 10/24/2004 11:34:51 AM PDT by aj7360
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To: Castro

Why does this letter look familiar?? Isn't this a compilation of quotes from others??


68 posted on 10/24/2004 11:35:18 AM PDT by OCMike
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To: Homer_J_Simpson; Dead Corpse; atomicpossum; fritzz
I was a Libertarian from 1972, (my first voting election) until September 15, 2001. That was the day I heard Harry Brown say on O'Rielly's show that we should deal with OBL by way of the institutions of international law. And that was the end of the LP for me. Badnarik is even worse. Frankly, I had no problem taking the LP pledge that "One must never initiate the aggressive use of force," but it appears that too many L(l)ibertarians have forgotten that when Ayn Rand laid down that law, it had two parts to it, the second of which is, "and when aggressive force is used against one, he must never fail to respond."

There is a difference between Democrats and Republicans. For all of GWB's many faults, and his many failures as a (compassionate) conservative, only a fool could support the LP in this election.

69 posted on 10/24/2004 11:35:48 AM PDT by FredZarguna (Wearing BLACK Pajamas, in honor of Hanoi John)
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To: franklog
Congratulations to John Hospers for getting it. It will be hard to fight the Republican v Libertarian ideological battle when even more of us are dead from terrorist attacks and the rest of us are having all of our money taken by the federal government and speaking French or Arabic.

Can't improve on this.

71 posted on 10/24/2004 11:38:03 AM PDT by Stentor
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To: boycott

I hope so. there is only 9 days left till the election. I hope a great portion of Americans who have been sleeping wake up and vote for W. We need/want a landslide. Looks like Hawaii, NJ, MN are starting to wake up.


72 posted on 10/24/2004 11:38:27 AM PDT by rineaux (hardcore for W04)
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Sure would like some AUTHENTICATION on this...


73 posted on 10/24/2004 11:39:21 AM PDT by OCMike
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To: bahblahbah

Funny you should post that.

I just got an email from the aol email address which gave me the same phone number and confirmed that he wrote the endorsement. (But, of course, that isn't exactly an ironclad authentication...)

I gave him the URL of this thread and asked him if he'd care to discuss with us.


74 posted on 10/24/2004 11:42:03 AM PDT by George Smiley (The only 180 that Kerry hasn't done is the one that would release ALL his military records.)
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To: George Smiley

Will check later to see if there is any type of authentication for this post...


75 posted on 10/24/2004 11:44:27 AM PDT by Federalist_In_Michigan (History teaches that wars begin when governments believe the price of aggression is cheap. -RWR)
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To: Copernicus
Perhaps my use of the Free Republic Search engine is incompetent, but I am unable to find more than a few posts on the topic of Hugo Chavez and the Venezuelan elections which I believe will be the paradigm for our election in November.

Yea, you've got a point...Jimmy Carter watching over both. Could be some similarities. There were some posts.

Mr. Badnarik, as I remember has run for a few offices, but never won. Young, Good looking, programmer, who instructs a lot for a living. Nothing wrong, but not much of a candidate. So you are really doing is voting against W...obvious.

76 posted on 10/24/2004 11:45:49 AM PDT by fritzz
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To: Dead Corpse
"The LP pretty much lost me when they embraced pacifism instead of non-initiation of force."

I wasn't aware of that. Are you saying the Libertarian will not strike first when he knows a fist is coming at his face? Will a Libertarian shoot first if someone points a loaded pistol at him and knows they are going to pull the trigger?

77 posted on 10/24/2004 11:47:03 AM PDT by Eastbound ("Neither a Scrooge nor a Patsy Be")
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To: George Smiley

Thanks for your work in contacting Dr. Hospers.

From what I know of him, this letter fits his worldview.


78 posted on 10/24/2004 11:47:39 AM PDT by headsonpikes (Spirit of '76 bttt!)
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To: Cultural Jihad

L. (not H.) Ron Hubbard was a totalitarian--never anything close to a libertarian in any sense, even if he tried to cloak himself that way.

The Libertarian Party itself has lurched over to the looney, Bill Maherish, hedonistic side, and abandoned their rational, ethical individualism and laissez faire capitalism foundations.

I'm thrilled to hear Dr. Hospers endorse President Bush.


79 posted on 10/24/2004 11:52:15 AM PDT by HalleysFifth
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To: Graymatter
Kerry is a globalist in the sense that the Clintons could never approach.

There's only one difference between Kerry's politics and Hillary's--Hillary is a better politician. She hasn't been as rabidly anti-war recently as Kerry has, because she knows the country is basically conservative. But make no mistake, if Hillary had her way, the UN (headed by her sock puppet husband) would rule the world, and US taxpayers would pay a global income tax. US sovereignty would be gone, its borders would disappear, and the Constitution would be replaced by a global constitution, drafted by a delegation from all nations including Syria, Iran, North Korea and a newly created Palestinian State. Hillary has been planning this all of her adult life, and given the chance, she will do her damnedest to make it happen.

80 posted on 10/24/2004 11:58:59 AM PDT by giotto
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To: ModelBreaker

same here,

But after listening to all of the local rhetoric, I got burned out. The ideas sound good on paper, but do not pass with people in general. I got tired of supporting something that no one took seriously (even LP members) and STILL having Slick Willie elected twice. Besides, the guy who was running for senate from New Mexico that year looked like grampa Munster. There were a few other reasons but that was a big one for me.

I will vote for LP when the S. Texas dems run unnopposed in the judgeships and I still read some of their stuff, but I am an "ex".


81 posted on 10/24/2004 12:08:21 PM PDT by Heinz 57 (Yes I'm Mixed Breed but not mixed up. I am all AMERICAN and proud of it. God, I love this country.)
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To: thingumbob
...thank god he [Hospers] had this revelation.

What revelation? Where does anyone say Hospers has changed his mind about fundamental principles?
82 posted on 10/24/2004 12:08:31 PM PDT by HalleysFifth
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To: HalleysFifth
I didn't say he did.......I said this....

It's nice that he sees that dividing and conquering has been helping the left in this country for far to long

83 posted on 10/24/2004 12:14:46 PM PDT by thingumbob (Kerry/Edwards are sKerry/Leftwards)
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To: Y2Krap

BTTT


84 posted on 10/24/2004 12:17:08 PM PDT by Fiddlstix (This Tagline for sale. (Presented by TagLines R US))
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To: Aarchaeus; Cultural Jihad

You're both confused. H. (Humberto) Ron Hubbard was the less renowned brother of L. Ron Hubbard, who along with Lyndon LaRouche's kid brother, Irving, went on to found the Liberace Party (wanting to bring more flash to U.S. politics).

Meantime, John Hospers went on to found a world famous medical center in Baltimore.

No need to thank me!


85 posted on 10/24/2004 12:21:20 PM PDT by Larry Lucido
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To: HalleysFifth

See my #85. I believe that clears it up once and for all. :-)


86 posted on 10/24/2004 12:25:31 PM PDT by Larry Lucido
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To: Cultural Jihad
H. Ron Hubbard passed on years ago.

Are you really that ignorant, or do you just play a twit on FR?

And it's L. Ron Hubbard, compounding the idiocy of your post.

87 posted on 10/24/2004 12:26:12 PM PDT by Hank Rearden (Never allow anyone who could only get a government job attempt to tell you how to run your life.)
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To: Y2Krap

I sent an email to johnjhopsers@aol.com, and the person with that address confirmed that he did write the letter, and he gave me his phone number if anyone wants to confirm that it is him. Thanks for the post, Y2!


88 posted on 10/24/2004 12:29:34 PM PDT by Bat_Chemist (Ecc. 10:2 "The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but the heart of the fool to the left.")
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To: Y2Krap

Now that we are pretty sure that he wrote this, where might it be published? According to wikipedia, he is an editor of Liberty magazine which I've never heard of.


89 posted on 10/24/2004 12:31:22 PM PDT by bahblahbah
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To: Bat_Chemist

Who did Dr. Hopser release this too?? (media source?) Why isn't it on his or the Libertarian websites??


90 posted on 10/24/2004 12:32:50 PM PDT by OCMike
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To: Homer_J_Simpson; Graymatter; Y2Krap

I too, have been an LP activist in the past, and I'll be voting for Dubya. I like and respect him. K*rr* scares me. I think he'd be a great Canadian Prime Minister.


91 posted on 10/24/2004 12:33:38 PM PDT by Virginia-American
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To: OCMike

I did not ask. I only asked if he was the author. The text of his letter is this:

Yes, I did write the letter. My e-mail address is johnjhospers@aol.com, And my phone number (LA directory) is [delted by me], in case anyone wants it for verification.


92 posted on 10/24/2004 12:40:42 PM PDT by Bat_Chemist (Ecc. 10:2 "The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but the heart of the fool to the left.")
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To: OCMike

This kindof letter wouldn't be put on the libertarian website if its true anyway.


93 posted on 10/24/2004 12:41:49 PM PDT by bahblahbah
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To: OCMike

Who did Dr. Hopser release this too?? (media source?)

See reply #88


Why isn't it on his or the Libertarian websites??


You're kidding right?


94 posted on 10/24/2004 12:42:37 PM PDT by Valin (Out Of My Mind; Back In Five Minutes)
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To: Bat_Chemist

I sent an e-mail to that address and got a "Delivery Failed" notification. His mailbox must be full.


95 posted on 10/24/2004 12:49:37 PM PDT by OCMike
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To: Y2Krap

Plenty of us libertarians are supporting Bush. As far as I know, most or all of the prominent Randians are on board as well. In other words, all of us who have a grain of common sense -- and John Hospers has enough common sense to sustain an entire university philosophy department singlehandedly -- are supporting W this year. There will be time enough for libertarians to argue with conservatives about drug legalization, etc. AFTER we have first rescued civilization from the evils threatening it from without (Islamofascism) and within (the modern Democratic Party and its media wing). Even we fanatics have priorities.


96 posted on 10/24/2004 12:52:08 PM PDT by tenuredprof
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To: Y2Krap

Couldn't have said it better.


97 posted on 10/24/2004 12:54:43 PM PDT by dr_who_2
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To: Mo1
My my...a libertarian who gets it.

I feel vindicated.

98 posted on 10/24/2004 1:07:39 PM PDT by My2Cents (http://www.conservativesforbush.com)
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To: Bat_Chemist

So what the heck is his name? The article is cited Hospers while the email is Hopsers, I'd hardly think Hospers would take that AOL name unless someone had the other and having a Hopsers take credit for the letter under the current circumstances is pretty fishy...

The suspense is killing me!


99 posted on 10/24/2004 1:08:01 PM PDT by Axenolith (This space for rent.)
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To: Axenolith

I'm seeing the letter on a few blog sites now...all with no source verification. [YIKES]


100 posted on 10/24/2004 1:10:48 PM PDT by OCMike
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