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1 posted on 10/24/2004 10:37:31 AM PDT by Y2Krap
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Plenty of us libertarians are supporting Bush. As far as I know, most or all of the prominent Randians are on board as well. In other words, all of us who have a grain of common sense -- and John Hospers has enough common sense to sustain an entire university philosophy department singlehandedly -- are supporting W this year. There will be time enough for libertarians to argue with conservatives about drug legalization, etc. AFTER we have first rescued civilization from the evils threatening it from without (Islamofascism) and within (the modern Democratic Party and its media wing). Even we fanatics have priorities.


96 posted on 10/24/2004 12:52:08 PM PDT by tenuredprof
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Couldn't have said it better.


97 posted on 10/24/2004 12:54:43 PM PDT by dr_who_2
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"New" voters for UA...

The Amish

The 4 million evangelicals that stayed home last time?

and now the Libertarians!

Is it possible America is waking up to just how crucial this election is? Pray hard. And Pray for "The Man'

He has the biggest bullseye of anyone in the world on him - he knows it - and yet, think of the bravery it takes to go out there day after day - state after state - rally after rally!

Right now he's all that stands between us/US and freedom...it's as simple as that

The dark side is desparate - they will stop at nothing to rule = they know this is their last shot...for decades...certainly for any of them.

104 posted on 10/24/2004 1:25:14 PM PDT by maine-iac7
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"There are already numerous stories of brownshirt types committing violence against Republican campaign headquarters all over the country, and Democrat thugs harassing Republican voters at the polls. Yet not a word about it from the Kerry campaign. Expect this dangerous trend to increase dramatically with a Kerry win, ignored and tacitly accepted by the liberal-left mainstream media. This is ominous sign of worse things to come."

BUMP BUMP BUMP BUMP BUMP

106 posted on 10/24/2004 1:27:04 PM PDT by Skooz (Any nation that would elect John Kerry as it's president has forfeited it's right to exist.)
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As a Libertarian who is currently registered as a Republican and voting for Bush, I say...

...Thank God we can count on that extra .01 percent of the vote!

;-)


116 posted on 10/24/2004 1:53:58 PM PDT by freestyle
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This is GREAT! I'm saving this one to send to a few people I know...


121 posted on 10/24/2004 2:07:40 PM PDT by bootless (Never Forget - And Never Again)
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Most intelligent libertarian post I've ever seen here.


122 posted on 10/24/2004 2:10:17 PM PDT by dennisw (Gd - against Amelek for all generations.)
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Still not sure I believe that the letter is genuine.

I found a "real" e-mail address on the USC website and sent a quick note. (johnhospers@sprintmail.co) I'll see what happens.

AJ


126 posted on 10/24/2004 2:31:38 PM PDT by aj7360
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bump


128 posted on 10/24/2004 2:47:35 PM PDT by ellery (Concentrated power has always been the enemy of liberty. - Ronald Reagan)
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To: Y2Krap

Amen to that. If kerry is elected it will be awful for this country. So let's praise our Libertaian brother for this one.
God Bless


132 posted on 10/24/2004 2:59:30 PM PDT by RightWingBev
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To: yall
John Hospers wrote:

There is a belief that's common among many libertarians that there is no essential difference between the Democrat and Republican Parties --

This is a common belief because both Parties, in between election cycles, can be seen to ignore our Constitution in every aspect of political life.

between a John Kerry and a George W. Bush administration;

Parties control 'administrations', not the President. Nixon found this to be true, and Clinton almost did.

or worse: that a Bush administration would be more undesirable. Such a notion could not be farther from the truth, or potentially more harmful to the cause of liberty.

Hype. -- I doubt there are many actual libertarians for Kerry.
The big "L" party has been taken over by radicals of both left & right, people that don't even bother to pay lip service to Constitutional libertarian principles.
- In their own way, these faux-"L"ibertarians are 'potentially just as harmful to the cause of liberty' as the RinoCrats they oppose.

In reality, the present political party system is flawed; our Presidency & its power should be above partisan politics, not subservient to it.

136 posted on 10/24/2004 3:20:47 PM PDT by tpaine (No man has a natural right to commit aggression on the equal rights of another. - T. Jefferson)
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Great post. I read John Hospers book in 1972 and it really helped change my worldview. But I concluded awhile back that the Libertarian Party was not the best vehicle for advancing libertarian goals, especially given the uglieness that has descended upon the evil Democratic Party in the past decade. This election is all about national sovereignty and our absolute right to self-defence, even if it pisses off the French.


138 posted on 10/24/2004 4:44:17 PM PDT by kcar (theUNsucks.com)
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I'd love to spread this around. Was this posted on a site? Any reliable verification online?


140 posted on 10/24/2004 5:25:48 PM PDT by nonkultur
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To: Y2Krap; tpaine; OrthodoxPresbyterian; A.J.Armitage
George Bush has been criticized for many things – and in many cases with justification: on campaign finance reform (a suppression of the First Amendment), on vast new domestic spending, on education, and on failing to protect the borders. No self-respecting libertarian or conservative would fail to be deeply appalled by these.

i'm more than a little skeptical concerning the legitimacy of this letter. It is known that Libertarians support OPEN BORDERS, and were Bush to be criticised by the Libertarians it would be for having too strict a policy.

i do not know what Mr. Hosper's view is on this particular issue, and i am aware that from time to time Libertarians disagree with the Party Platform, but this looks very suspicious. This would appear to appeal more to the Constitutionalist Party than to Libertarians. What's next? An 'open letter' from Howard Phillips endoursing Bush?

145 posted on 10/24/2004 5:52:05 PM PDT by Calvinist_Dark_Lord (I have come here to kick @$$ and chew bubblegum...and I'm all outta bubblegum! ~Roddy Piper)
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A Libertarian patriot. Wadda ya know?


157 posted on 10/24/2004 9:01:11 PM PDT by GVnana (If I had a Buckhead moment would I know it?)
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Great Essay.


168 posted on 10/25/2004 12:51:39 AM PDT by WOSG (George W Bush / Dick Cheney - Right for our Times!)
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I am a lurker here.. I am a libertarian too like some in this thread. I was going to go Badnarik but I realized Bush did enough things I liked that I was going to vote for him. Namely the estate tax, and the marriage penalty.. removing those were the big things for me.

And as you guys know the presidency is so powerful at the moment, it doesn't seem like a good idea to throw away your vote to send a message.. when there is a lot of difference between Bush and Hanoi Kerry.

I still do plan to vote libertarian in local elections and state where the republican hasn't worked to limit the size of government though.


169 posted on 10/25/2004 1:39:30 AM PDT by libertyfighter
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The American electorate is not yet psychologically prepared for a completely libertarian society. A transition to such a society takes time and effort, and involves altering the mind-set of most Americans, who labor under a plethora of economic fallacies and political misconceptions. It will involve a near-total restructuring of the educational system, which today serves the liberal-left education bureaucracy and Democratic Party, not the student or parent. It will require a merciless and continuous expose of the bias in the mainstream media (the Internet, blogs, and talk radio have been extremely successful in this regard over the past few years). And it will require understanding the influence and importance of the Teresa Kerry-like Foundations who work in the shadows to undermine our constitutional system of checks and balances.

Most of all, it will require the American people -- including many libertarians – to realize the overwhelming dangerousness of the American Left – a Fifth Column comprised of the elements mentioned above, dedicated to achieving their goal of a totally internationally dominated America, and a true world-wide Fascism.

A refreshing analysis from a man from a time past - back when the Libertarian Party made sense and was pragmatic instead of purist.

179 posted on 10/25/2004 8:20:37 AM PDT by dirtboy (Kerry could have left 'Nam within a week if Purple Hearts were awarded for shots to the foot.)
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Hospers has his head firmly attached to his shoulders, unlike some of the other nutbags who refuse to see reality.

The truth is that if the Libertarian Party is to succeed, its going to have to be from the ground up, which means local offices, then Congress, and then the biggie. The only thing the Libertarian Party accomplishes by fighting Bush is to piss off the libertarian Republicans who could be future allies.

186 posted on 10/25/2004 8:50:50 AM PDT by XJarhead
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I have a couple of Libertarian friends. I should send this to them.

All they seem to do is mumble about the Patriot Act. Yet NONE of them can say why they disagree with it in any detail.

I've got a few misgivings about the act myself, but still, it's a stupid reason to throw your vote away.


195 posted on 10/25/2004 10:32:33 AM PDT by zbigreddogz
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