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China's Slave Laborors (the muscle of China's economic "miracle")
Orwell Today ^ | October 22, 2004

Posted on 10/24/2004 2:36:17 PM PDT by TapTheSource

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To: TapTheSource
They have no social or medical insurance, no unemployment or housing benefits, no trade unions, no education rights for their children, and no written contracts with employers.

They live in monitored and controlled compounds...must beg permission to go outside. They sleep in crude dormitory rooms of 20 square metres, usually shared with 15 to 20 workers. They earn as little as $1 for a 12-hour day, far below the supposed minimum wage.

They work for six or seven days a week, sometimes for days and nights without a break...More than 70 per cent of migrant workers are owed money by their employers who hire thugs to assault those who demand their wages.

I'm just waiting for some free traitor to say Americans must work harder or go to school longer to compete with these communist slaves!

The only way we can compete with slavery is if we become slaves ourselves, which is probably what the free traitors have planned all along!

21 posted on 10/24/2004 4:55:10 PM PDT by Walkin Man
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To: TapTheSource

Tariffs for Tyrants bump


22 posted on 10/24/2004 4:59:16 PM PDT by Ahban
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To: hosepipe
"Communism "IS" socialism... Duuuh!..
Communists kill everybody when they assume power..
I.E. Stalins purges, Maos purges, Titos purges.."

If Communists killed everyone when they assume power there would be no mob left to rule. The Communists solved the problem of irrational/Stalinesque/paranoid/cult of personality purges immediately after Stalin's death. Sure, certain Communists were purged from time to time after that, but not on the scale of Stalin, Mao, etc. The Communists solved this problem because they wanted to be able to sleep at night. Of course, the same cannot be said for the poor slaves they ruled over. They remained just as terrorized as ever.

"Democracy, socialism and communism are ALL MOB RULE.."

It depends on what you mean by mob rule. The mob of the simple majority leads to socialism (as George Washington warned against). Communism is a tyranny imposed by an extreme minority (like the mafia, but far worse). Therefore Communists are not socialists in the traditional sense of the word. They might bandy about the word socialism, but that's to dupe socialists into going along with their plans. Communists are Communists...an entirely different animal altogether. Both socialism and Communism are evil. But the evils of Canadian socialism and Soviet Communism cannot be morally equated. Socialism is a lowercase evil, whereas Communism is Evil with a capital E.
23 posted on 10/24/2004 5:05:16 PM PDT by TapTheSource
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To: oceanview

"china is sucking all of the growth out of the western economies"

Because we can't compete with slave labor. There is no comparative advantage from a traditional free market point of view. We are slowly committing economic suicide by doing "business" with the Communists, while at the same time building their strength to oppose (and even trump) our foreign policy/national security interests in the future.


24 posted on 10/24/2004 5:10:00 PM PDT by TapTheSource
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To: Centurion2000

"Someone needs to give him the recipe for thermite ... 10 melted engine blocks might make his a$$hat of an employer think twice about stiffing peoples' wages."

lol...we used to burn VW bug engine block in the desert, so I kinda have a picture of what your talking about!


25 posted on 10/24/2004 5:13:18 PM PDT by TapTheSource
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To: Walkin Man

"The only way we can compete with slavery is if we become slaves ourselves, which is probably what the free traitors have planned all along!"

Very astute remark. The rules of the FREE market don't apply when it comes to trading with Communists countries. That's why the big slogan during the 1960s, 70s, and 80s was "No aid and trade with Communists countries!" Somewhere along the line, we forgot the reasons behind this time-honored slogan.


26 posted on 10/24/2004 5:17:39 PM PDT by TapTheSource
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To: TapTheSource
[ It depends on what you mean by mob rule. ]

You just full of bull sperm ain't ya..
What a load of bull sqeezings you posted in #23...

MOB Rule is rule by mobs and mobsters.. Socialism is also just a variation the "mobs" Protection Scam.. i.e. Italian mafia.. Gimme your money and we'll protect you from "US"...

You ain't very smart. Are you a democrat ?

27 posted on 10/24/2004 5:31:39 PM PDT by hosepipe (This Propaganda has been edited to include not a small amount of Hyperbole..)
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To: Walkin Man
I'm just waiting for some free traitor to say Americans must work harder or go to school longer to compete with these communist slaves!

The only way we can compete with slavery is if we become slaves ourselves, which is probably what the free traitors have planned all along!


Well, those chinese workers just need to retrain, or find other jobs. Nobody is forcing them to work where they do, right? They could all go back to their villages and starve to death.

Shut up and let the free market work! No government interference in the private sector!

This kind of a future is exactly what the "free trade" wing (aka the Affluent and Corporate Republocrats) envision.
28 posted on 10/24/2004 5:45:25 PM PDT by MTOrlando
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To: hosepipe

Hosepipe, just because I am able to make a distinction between the evil of socialism and the EVIL of Communism, you accuse me of being a demoRAT? Before you go flying off the handle, I suggest you read the following, and then check out the link below the excerpt, so you know where I'm coming from (that is, if you even care)...BTW, somehow you got on my ping list, apparently it was by mistake, so let me know if you want to be removed:

(Excerpt) The goals and methods of Communism

Yet it seems almost incredible that any ideology could lead to well-coordinated deception on such a huge scale. Whenever the word "Communism" is mentioned, most people think of a philosophy, a political theory, an economic system, or perhaps a political party. But Communism is none of these. Before we can understand the Communist role in strategic deception and terrorist warfare, we must answer one critical question: What is Communism?

Karl Marx and V.I. Lenin are widely known as the founders of Communism. However, not everyone who professes the ideology of Marx and Lenin is a true Communist. Lenin himself defined Communism as an international organization, akin to the Mafia, whose members would constitute an elite corps of professional revolutionaries.[40] As he described it in 1902, "In form such a strong revolutionary organization in an autocratic country may also be described as a 'conspiratorial' organization... such an organization must have the utmost secrecy."[41] Shortly after seizing control of Russia in 1917, Lenin revealed the secret of Communist success in a booklet, declaring that "The Bolsheviks could not have maintained themselves in power... unless the strictest, truly iron discipline prevailed in our Party."[42] Naive believers in Marxist ideology are constantly purged from the Party, for the organization can rely only on those people blindly willing to obey orders.[43] Communism explicitly disavows all moral rules, and its members must constantly shift tactics, sometimes even carry out seemingly anti-Marxist actions, as its leadership adapts the revolution to changing circumstances.[44] Thus Communists possess the fanatic discipline needed to carry out deception on a scale beyond the imagination of most outsiders, including staging their own alleged "collapse."

The ultimate goal has been stated openly by every major Communist leader since Karl Marx: a world government dominated by the Communists.[45] Lenin described how, to overthrow existing governments, the Communists organize parallel revolutions in each country. Most of the Communist Party structure must operate underground, invisible to the larger population, while it uses both legal and illegal methods, including deception and, in Lenin's own words, "terrorism."[46] Its secret members, operating under strict orders, infiltrate the highest levels of the target government and its military, as well as the labor unions and other popular movements, the communications media, and even the anti-Communist opposition itself.[47] From these positions, the Communists can orchestrate an apparently spontaneous, violent revolution, while paralyzing the efforts of the target government to respond effectively. The confused population, unaware of the well-organized forces behind the crisis, negotiates a series of compromises leading to further instability and finally to the victory of Communism.

As growing numbers of nations fall to the revolution, it becomes possible to reunite them under a Communist world regime.[48] This is being carried out in a two-stage process. The transition step to this "new world social order," as American Communist William Z. Foster called it,[49] involves merging the newly captive nations into regional governments.[50] The Communists have explicitly worked toward creating a united Europe,[51] a united American hemisphere,[52] a pan-African regional entity,[53] and, for the Middle East, a pan-Arab regime.[54]

Marxism-Leninism, then, is not an ideology, but a strategy for achieving world revolution. Communists are the disciplined members of an international organization that uses Marxist-Leninist techniques. And terrorism is a key ingredient in the success of such revolution. To see how the entire strategy works, we now turn to an overview of Communist revolutions in action.


Link to phony collapse of Communism.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1252938/posts?page=64#64


29 posted on 10/24/2004 5:46:48 PM PDT by TapTheSource
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To: TapTheSource

Careful or we'll export your job to Peking.


30 posted on 10/24/2004 5:53:51 PM PDT by Happy2BMe (Just 9 Days Until November 2nd, 2004 - DOWN TO THE WIRE!)
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To: Happy2BMe

"Careful or we'll export your job to Peking."

lol...I just had a vision of something even worse: "Quit criticizing free trade or we will have to export YOU to China." How's that for a scary thought! :o(


31 posted on 10/24/2004 6:08:48 PM PDT by TapTheSource
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To: TapTheSource
Job outsourcing and failure to close our borders are the two areas Bush is wide open for criticism on.
32 posted on 10/24/2004 6:10:45 PM PDT by Happy2BMe (Just 9 Days Until November 2nd, 2004 - DOWN TO THE WIRE!)
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To: Happy2BMe

I'm not to thrilled with the federalization of education either, but that would require a different thread entirely.


33 posted on 10/24/2004 6:20:45 PM PDT by TapTheSource
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To: TapTheSource
[ Hosepipe, just because I am able to make a distinction between the evil of socialism and the EVIL of Communism, you accuse me of being a demoRAT? Before you go flying off the handle, I suggest you read the following, and then check out the link below the excerpt, so you know where I'm coming from (that is, if you even care)...BTW, somehow you got on my ping list, apparently it was by mistake, so let me know if you want to be removed: ]

Accuseing you of being a democrat was in jest...
Evidently wasted you. See; I told you, you were not too smart..

Disecting the political evils of the world can make you ignert..
ALL Democracies, Socialism, and Communism are defacto MOB RULE..
But about you being a democrat I was referring to the party..

In fact I think you are a democrat by thinking a democracy is a good thing.. that in fact makes you a democrat whether you're in the party or not.. many republicans are defacto democrats.. Democracy sucks all of it.. Whoever is for democracy in the U.S. are also democrats.. no matter the party.. Thats why this country is being morphed into a democracy. People just don't the difference between A democracy and the word democracy. True communists DO know..

There are 3 words not found ANYWHERE in the American Constitution..
1) democracy..
2) democratic..
3) democrat...

Why is that ?
What you are personally or are not is meaningless to me..
I post mainly for lurkers not to the choir..
And I think ping lists are childish.. and democratic..d;-'
Actually Monarchy is a far better form of gov't than democracy.
< / Curly(Howard) shuffle and eye poke >

34 posted on 10/24/2004 6:27:18 PM PDT by hosepipe (This Propaganda has been edited to include not a small amount of Hyperbole..)
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To: hosepipe

There are 3 words not found ANYWHERE in the American Constitution..
1) democracy..
2) democratic..
3) democrat...

I would just add one more word

4) monarchy


35 posted on 10/24/2004 6:36:06 PM PDT by TapTheSource
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To: TapTheSource
[ I would just add one more word 4) monarchy ]

A big neener neener neener back at ya.. ;)

36 posted on 10/24/2004 6:39:47 PM PDT by hosepipe (This Propaganda has been edited to include not a small amount of Hyperbole..)
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To: TapTheSource
"In fact I think you are a democrat by thinking a democracy is a good thing.."

I never said PURE democracy is a good thing. George Washington said it best when he said PURE democracy is the worst form of Tyranny (although, he never lived to witness something even worse...COMMUNISM).

We are a democratic republic. The republican aspect of the constitution was designed to protect us from democracy, whereas the democratic part of the constitution was designed to respect the wishes of the people. Unfortunately, as you have maintained, we have changed the Constitution such that it has tilted this balance in favor of pure democracy (for instance, originally only property owners could vote...this has changed so that landless special interests are able to vote themselves special privileges). In other words, we have lost the balance the founding fathers built into the Constitution. But nowhere in the American Constitution is pure monarchy advocated, or even hinted at.
37 posted on 10/24/2004 6:45:34 PM PDT by TapTheSource
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To: hosepipe

Ooops...post 37 was meant for you.


38 posted on 10/24/2004 6:46:20 PM PDT by TapTheSource
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To: TapTheSource
They live in monitored and controlled compounds...must beg permission to go outside. They sleep in crude dormitory rooms of 20 square metres, usually shared with 15 to 20 workers. They earn as little as $1 for a 12-hour day, far below the supposed minimum wage.

I have a social theory. What if the workers owned the means of production. Then such things would never happen again. < /sarcasm>


"Hey! That SOB stole my idea!"

39 posted on 10/24/2004 6:47:25 PM PDT by Polybius
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To: Polybius

"What if the workers owned the means of production. Then such things would never happen again."

Yeah, that's it, the workers should own the means of production! Why didn't I think of that?


40 posted on 10/24/2004 6:49:45 PM PDT by TapTheSource
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