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Home Internet Security Is Woeful
cbs ^ | 10-25-04

Posted on 10/25/2004 10:19:55 AM PDT by LouAvul

Internet users at home are not nearly as safe online as they believe, according to a nationwide inspection by researchers. They found most consumers have no firewall protection, outdated antivirus software and dozens of spyware programs secretly running on their computers.

One beleaguered home user in the government-backed study had more than 1,000 spyware programs running on his sluggish computer when researchers examined it.

Bill Mines, a personal trainer in South Riding, Va., did not fare much better. His family's 3-year-old Dell computer was found infected with viruses and more than 600 pieces of spyware surreptitiously monitoring his online activities.

"I was blown away," Mines said. "I had a lot of viruses and other things I didn't know about. I had no idea things like this could happen."

The Internet always has had its share of risky neighborhoods and dark alleys. But with increasingly sophisticated threats from hackers, viruses, spam e-mails and spyware, trouble is finding computer users no matter how cautiously they roam online.

(Excerpt) Read more at cbsnews.com ...


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1 posted on 10/25/2004 10:19:56 AM PDT by LouAvul
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To: LouAvul

Articles like this make me think my son is correct: People need to get a license to operate a computer just like people need to get a license to operate a car.


2 posted on 10/25/2004 10:21:55 AM PDT by bcoffey (Bush/Cheney: Real men taking charge, talking straight, telling the truth.)
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To: LouAvul

I am into this kind of thing and in my opinion, the bad guys are definately winning.


3 posted on 10/25/2004 10:24:29 AM PDT by BillCompton
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To: BillCompton

Good spyware detectors?


4 posted on 10/25/2004 10:25:23 AM PDT by sionnsar (Cbs: "It's fake but true!" | Iran Azadi | Traditional Anglicans: trad-anglican.faithweb.com)
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To: bcoffey
People need to get a license to operate a computer...

Nope! Adware, Spyware, Spoofs and Phishing should be crimes. Making the innocent to respond to the immoral is counter to the public interest. Punish the guilty, not the innocent.

5 posted on 10/25/2004 10:28:08 AM PDT by elbucko ( Feral Republican)
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To: sionnsar

We have Norton anti virus detection on our computer. It detects attempted intrusions. I have had at least one attempt per week detected by the software program. It works well. I would be very careful about downloading any software program from the internet


6 posted on 10/25/2004 10:31:28 AM PDT by tom paine 2
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To: LouAvul

Something has found its way into my computer, and has disabled all my spyware removal options. Pretty cute, eh? I'm going to take the darn thing back where I bought it and have the geeks clean it out.


7 posted on 10/25/2004 10:31:38 AM PDT by TheSpottedOwl ("In the Kingdom of the Deluded, the Most Outrageous Liar is King".)
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To: bcoffey

People need to stop driving their Microsoft go-karts on the Internet and use an OS that takes security into account.


8 posted on 10/25/2004 10:32:13 AM PDT by Knitebane
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To: sionnsar
Nah, they pretty much have stopped working. There now many variants (CoolWebSearch in particular) that have no cure. The best thing to do is to re-install windows.

When I think it can't get worse, it does. The GDI+ JPEG hole is very scary, but I have not seen it (that I now of) yet. It is totally out of hand.
9 posted on 10/25/2004 10:34:39 AM PDT by BillCompton
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To: Knitebane

Whichever OS is on the most machines will be the target of hackers.


10 posted on 10/25/2004 10:34:45 AM PDT by Skooz (Any nation that would elect John Kerry as it's president has forfeited it's right to exist.)
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To: TheSpottedOwl

Boot up in safe mode and run your spyware checkers. If necessary, download the latest versions of spybot and adaware, get the latest updates, then run them in safe mode.


11 posted on 10/25/2004 10:35:58 AM PDT by js1138 (D*mn, I Missed!)
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To: LouAvul
And, add on top of this the unsecured wireless internet issue and there are some real security issues that people need to address. Over 70% of all wireless connections are not secured. It's a significant problem.

In fact, it has been reported that terrorists and criminals have been using unsecured wireless networks to cloak their online activity and to avoid being spotted in an internet cafe (which was revealed to be a common method they used for planning 9/11). But, with many hotels, cafes, and coffee shops installing wireless networks but not securing them, this has become an even more ripe method for terrorists and criminals to use the internet without some of the tracable method (i.e., an account).

(FULL DISCLOSURE: I own and operate a business that offers secured wireless solutions to residential and commercial properties. See my profile page for a link to my company).

12 posted on 10/25/2004 10:36:52 AM PDT by mattdono ("Crush the democrats, drive them before you, and hear the lamentations of the scumbags" -Big Arnie)
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To: sionnsar
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4.  Zone Alarm
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6.  Ad-Aware

13 posted on 10/25/2004 10:38:31 AM PDT by steplock (http://www.outoftimeradio.org)
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To: Skooz
Spread the rumor.

MS has slipped to #3 in usage!
Mac is now #1!

14 posted on 10/25/2004 10:39:26 AM PDT by ASA Vet (Don't argue with an idiot; people watching may not be able to tell the difference.)
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To: sionnsar
"Good Spyware detectors?" Go to lavasoft.com and down load their's for free. You will be shocked what it finds on your computer.
15 posted on 10/25/2004 10:39:37 AM PDT by reagandemo (The battle is near are you ready for the sacrifice?)
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To: bcoffey

Lots of idiots drive cars too.


16 posted on 10/25/2004 10:41:58 AM PDT by cinives (On some planets what I do is considered normal.)
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To: BillCompton

I work on PC's for a living and we recenly had an XP PC with over 1100 infected files (Viruses and worms) and 900+ pieces of spyware and I was able to bring it back without a reinstall -- I used Mcaffee "Stinger" and "Ad Aware"

Locally one of our phone companies runs Mcaffee and they have a program called mail guard that scanns all incoming email for spam and viruses with my customers I then put the m on Norton so that their stuff gets scanned again with a second product.

With these changes my customers have had very little virus problems and are able to keep the spyware under control.


17 posted on 10/25/2004 10:45:12 AM PDT by Rocketman
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To: LouAvul
Dealing with Spyware and Adware
18 posted on 10/25/2004 10:46:53 AM PDT by happydogdesign
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To: bcoffey

Here we go again!

In a "conservative", limited-government website no less. The first time a problem pops up, who do they turn to? More big government.

Don't you understand if you call on the government to do everything for you, they'll soon be running EVERYTHING? How is a license going to solve this problem? Tell me? All you'll do is empower another government agency. Would you like them controlling the internet by declaring who can and who can't get access and under what conditions?

No thanks!

Jeez... If all else fails... get off the web! Don't impose more government on us.

There's also this pesky 1st Amendment which SHOULD prevent this from happening (but who cares about that... huh? It's O.K. if it's for a conservative cause.)


19 posted on 10/25/2004 10:48:30 AM PDT by HannagansBride
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To: LouAvul
Home internet security is woeful?

Not at my house.

20 posted on 10/25/2004 10:49:35 AM PDT by Bloody Sam Roberts (Which Star Trek Capt. would you want for President? Picard or Kirk? In wartime, the choice is easy.)
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To: Skooz
Wrong.

Educate yourself before you repeat oft debunked theories.

Your "theory" is Myth No. 1.

21 posted on 10/25/2004 10:52:45 AM PDT by Knitebane
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To: mattdono

I just saw a car wash the other day that is offering free wireless internet while you wait on getting your car washed.


22 posted on 10/25/2004 10:55:10 AM PDT by webstersII
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To: LouAvul

Spyware, bots, adware, etc.. its like dust. Annoying but can be gotten rid of. The problems is those who do not educate themselves enough about how to correct the problems. The worst problems are the trojans that one has to manually remove.

Ad-Aware
Spybot S&D
AVG Antivirus
Swatit
are the programs that most should use if they are not buying a net suite like Nortons or McAfee.

For the really tough problems a copy of Hackthis and messageboard help will always work.


23 posted on 10/25/2004 10:55:32 AM PDT by Necrovore
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To: Rocketman

We recently got a new computer at work and before I could even download Norton (the "crack team" in our IT Dept. sent it without a modem or protection), I ended up with the Sasser worm, and the only site I had visited was Microsoft to download SP2. We had severe problems with SP1 security conflicts with Norton, have not yet been able to get that resolved due to the worm, need to go out on my old computer and download the fix today.


24 posted on 10/25/2004 10:57:18 AM PDT by ravingnutter
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To: Skooz

That may well be. But *nix users don't run as root for routine tasks, while M$ users typically run with admin privileges.


25 posted on 10/25/2004 10:57:28 AM PDT by proxy_user
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To: Rocketman
I used Mcaffee "Stinger" and "Ad Aware"

Add Search and Destroy to that list. I ran adaware on an xp home ed. and found nothing. Ran S&D and it came back with 30 spybots - most common DSO exploit.

26 posted on 10/25/2004 10:58:03 AM PDT by stainlessbanner (For Liberty!)
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To: BillCompton

CWS Shredder gets rid of CoolWebSearch. Moderately difficult to use, but it works.


27 posted on 10/25/2004 10:59:27 AM PDT by kidd
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To: steplock

Thank-you for this!


28 posted on 10/25/2004 11:03:09 AM PDT by LadyPilgrim (Sealed my pardon with His blood, Hallelujah!!! What a Savior!!!)
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To: HannagansBride
Your reply was ... interesting...

I guess I'm not as Libertarian as you are.

29 posted on 10/25/2004 11:03:52 AM PDT by bcoffey (Bush/Cheney: Real men taking charge, talking straight, telling the truth.)
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To: Knitebane

Hah! I was trying to remember where I saw that article.


30 posted on 10/25/2004 11:04:59 AM PDT by ShadowAce (Linux -- The Ultimate Windows Service Pack)
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To: LadyPilgrim

There are several more - verry good ones - but this short list covers most situations.

Like a previous post stated . I always carry CWShredder on a CD with me when a friend calls for help - but my "Security" CD has 20-25 different programs depending on the VIrus/Trojan/ScumWare/etc that is on the computer.

The worst part is - I have to re-download ALL just before I leave to make sure I have the latest updates! The security software people update DAILY at the very least.


31 posted on 10/25/2004 11:07:05 AM PDT by steplock (http://www.outoftimeradio.org)
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To: Knitebane

Believe whatever you want. You will anyway.


32 posted on 10/25/2004 11:09:47 AM PDT by Skooz (Any nation that would elect John Kerry as it's president has forfeited it's right to exist.)
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To: js1138

I have spybot and adaware. The problem is that this computer runs on Windows XP, and frankly I haven't had the time to really examine how it works. For instance, how in blazes does one run the system in safe mode? I really miss Win95 and 98. This computer isn't even a year old.

I know there is a way to reboot in safe mode, but I can't remember what keys to hold down. My bad?


33 posted on 10/25/2004 11:11:25 AM PDT by TheSpottedOwl ("In the Kingdom of the Deluded, the Most Outrageous Liar is King".)
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To: BillCompton

((((Cool Web Search)))). That is the worst!!!!


34 posted on 10/25/2004 11:12:46 AM PDT by TheSpottedOwl ("In the Kingdom of the Deluded, the Most Outrageous Liar is King".)
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To: LouAvul; All
Help for viruses and malware:
 
 Ad-Aware ... Spybot ... Peper Uninstaller ... HijackThis... CWShredder ... Spyware Blaster ... IE Spyad ... Free online Virus scan ... AVG AntiVirus ... LSPfix ... How to Show Hidden Files ... How to boot into Safe Mode ... How did I get infected in the first place?


Things you need--(all FREE)
Anti-Virus
AVG
 Avast
Firewall
Kerio(Direct Download) Zone Alarm
 If are using zone alarm it may slow your PC. Try Outpost Firewall http://www.agnitum.com/products/outpost or Sygate Firewall http://www.sygate.com/, both have FREE and Pro versions and are heads above ZA.
Misc.
IE Spyads SpywareBlaster Spyware Guard
Windows Update- you must keep updated, it is the start of a secure system-
get all CRITICAL Updates

Things you want(Still Free)
Mozillia Firefox ( highly recommended- you will never go back to IE )
Ad-Aware
Spybot S&D
SpywareBlaster
MS MVP Hosts file
Mike Lin's Homepage and get the Startup Control Panel and Startup Monitor tools.
 
The best forum for malware removal:
 http://forums.spywareinfo.com/index.php?s=262d844129208feb8b0cf5b0186a32f6&act=SC&c=4
SWI Forums--

35 posted on 10/25/2004 11:13:17 AM PDT by backhoe (Just a Keyboard Cowboy, ridin' the Trackball into the Dawn of Information...)
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To: Skooz
Whichever OS is on the most machines will be the target of hackers.

Strictly true, from a purely logical standpoint. A single attack would be sufficient to support the statement. However, I suspect you meant to imply that the most widespread OS will be the most attacked. That extension of the argument totally neglects the vulnerability aspect of the analysis and cannot be universally made.

36 posted on 10/25/2004 11:13:45 AM PDT by LTCJ (CBS, all your Boyd Cycles are belong to us.)
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To: steplock; kidd

Could either of you please post a link for the CWS shredder? It's driving me nuts.


37 posted on 10/25/2004 11:17:17 AM PDT by TheSpottedOwl ("In the Kingdom of the Deluded, the Most Outrageous Liar is King".)
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To: LTCJ

I only meant to imply that if an OS has such an overwhelmingly dominant presence, and it's rivals are so miniscule in comparison, hackers will tend to attack the OS that is pervasive, regardless of the the vulnerabilites of the respective OSs.


38 posted on 10/25/2004 11:18:16 AM PDT by Skooz (Any nation that would elect John Kerry as it's president has forfeited it's right to exist.)
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To: reagandemo
"Good Spyware detectors?" Go to lavasoft.com and down load their's for free. You will be shocked what it finds on your computer.

I suggest spending the 30 or so bucks for the full version. It picked up more than 30 other threats, and made a whale of a difference in performance on my machine.

39 posted on 10/25/2004 11:18:28 AM PDT by Mugwump
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To: Skooz
Cute. That's the best you could do?

Then again, I'm not the one that wants to believe unsubstanciated and debunked myths.

So, yeah, maybe that is the best you could do.

40 posted on 10/25/2004 11:18:52 AM PDT by Knitebane
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To: backhoe

Thank you, thank you, thank you!!!!! I am bookmarking this thread!!!!!


41 posted on 10/25/2004 11:19:11 AM PDT by TheSpottedOwl ("In the Kingdom of the Deluded, the Most Outrageous Liar is King".)
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To: Skooz
I only meant to imply that if an OS has such an overwhelmingly dominant presence, and it's rivals are so miniscule in comparison, hackers will tend to attack the OS that is pervasive, regardless of the the vulnerabilites of the respective OSs.

No matter how many times you post this garbage, it's still wrong.

42 posted on 10/25/2004 11:21:34 AM PDT by Knitebane
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To: steplock
Bump for your links.

Fortunately, viruses and spyware are not an issue with be because I use Linux.

43 posted on 10/25/2004 11:21:34 AM PDT by zeugma (Come to the Dark Side...... We have cookies!)
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To: Knitebane

Dang.

You sure are emotional about this. It isn't like I said something about you mother.

Chill, dude.


44 posted on 10/25/2004 11:21:40 AM PDT by Skooz (Any nation that would elect John Kerry as it's president has forfeited it's right to exist.)
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To: js1138

Why is it important to run the programs in safe mode?


45 posted on 10/25/2004 11:22:44 AM PDT by ops33 (Retired USAF Senior Master Sergeant)
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To: Skooz
You sure are emotional about this. It isn't like I said something about you mother.

Emotional? It's not me that keeps posting information that he "feels" to be right, even after being made aware of the facts.

My posts are based on facts, your's on fantasy.

So who is being emotional?

46 posted on 10/25/2004 11:24:11 AM PDT by Knitebane
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To: Knitebane

Get help.


47 posted on 10/25/2004 11:24:45 AM PDT by Skooz (Any nation that would elect John Kerry as it's president has forfeited it's right to exist.)
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To: Mugwump
Your right. Also suggest going to Trendmicro.com and doing an online search of your machine. It caught 2 viruses that my updates Symantec missed.
48 posted on 10/25/2004 11:25:03 AM PDT by reagandemo (The battle is near are you ready for the sacrifice?)
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To: Skooz

Learn to think instead of emoting.


49 posted on 10/25/2004 11:26:35 AM PDT by Knitebane
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To: stainlessbanner

I got DSO Exploit on my computer as well. Everytime I run my spyware program it finds DSO Exploit, says it removes it, but its still there. I can't seem to get rid of it, any suggestions. Currently running Windows 98 SE


50 posted on 10/25/2004 11:27:11 AM PDT by ops33 (Retired USAF Senior Master Sergeant)
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