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Bush Says His Party Is Wrong to Oppose Gay Civil Unions
The New York Times ^ | October 26, 2004 | ELISABETH BUMILLER

Posted on 10/26/2004 5:05:21 AM PDT by ruralgal

President Bush said in an interview this past weekend that he disagreed with the Republican Party platform opposing civil unions of same-sex couples and that the matter should be left up to the states.

Mr. Bush has previously said that states should be permitted to allow same-sex unions, even though White House officials have said he would not have endorsed such unions as governor of Texas. But Mr. Bush has never before made a point of so publicly disagreeing with his party's official position on the issue.

In an interview on Sunday with Charles Gibson, an anchor of "Good Morning America" on ABC, Mr. Bush said, "I don't think we should deny people rights to a civil union, a legal arrangement, if that's what a state chooses to do so." ABC, which broadcast part of the interview on Monday, is to broadcast the part about civil unions on Tuesday.

According to an ABC transcript, Mr. Gibson then noted to Mr. Bush that the Republican Party platform opposed civil unions.

"Well, I don't," Mr. Bush replied.

He added: "I view the definition of marriage different from legal arrangements that enable people to have rights. And I strongly believe that marriage ought to be defined as between a union between a man and a woman. Now, having said that, states ought to be able to have the right to pass laws that enable people to be able to have rights like others."

Mr. Gibson then asked, "So the Republican platform on that point, as far as you're concerned, is wrong?"

"Right," Mr. Bush replied.

Mr. Bush announced in February that he supported an amendment to the Constitution that would ban same-sex marriage, and said at the time that the union of a man and a woman was "the most fundamental institution of civilization." He acted under enormous pressure from his conservative supporters, who had lobbied the White House to have the president speak out in an election year on a matter of vital importance to them.

But Mr. Bush also said at the time that states should be permitted to have same-sex civil unions if they chose.

Mr. Bush has sought to walk a careful line between pleasing conservatives who oppose same-sex marriage and not alienating more moderate voters who might see bigotry in his views. Mr. Bush's support for civil unions and his opposition to his party on the issue is in part an effort to reach out to swing voters, whom he needs to win on Nov. 2.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: bush; civilunions; gaymarriage; homosexualagenda; marriage
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I'm not sure what to make of this. This is the first I'm hearing about it.
1 posted on 10/26/2004 5:05:22 AM PDT by ruralgal
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To: ruralgal

Well, this should make some Bush supporters stay home. Or at least the NY Times/Kerry campaign hope so.


2 posted on 10/26/2004 5:07:04 AM PDT by PilloryHillary (John Kerry is a traitor! johnfkerrysucks.com)
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To: ruralgal


Can we step into any more potholes this final week?


3 posted on 10/26/2004 5:08:00 AM PDT by Josh in PA
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To: johnfkerrysucks

And keep other Bush supporters from staying home.


4 posted on 10/26/2004 5:08:09 AM PDT by Strategerist
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To: johnfkerrysucks

I don't believe this. The NYT is really going full boar trying to smear the President.


5 posted on 10/26/2004 5:08:37 AM PDT by GopherGOPer
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To: ruralgal

Bush has ALWAYS said that this should be left up to the states. Why? Because all states so far oppose civil unions, and have voted against them. That's the reason activist judges are overturning the laws...

He saying let the PEOPLE choose what they want - and since they overwhelmingly want marriages between men and women only, it becomes a enfranchisement issue.


6 posted on 10/26/2004 5:09:14 AM PDT by dandelion (http://johnkerryquestionfairy.blogspot.com/)
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To: GopherGOPer; All

http://www.georgewbush.com/Values/BushRecord.aspx


7 posted on 10/26/2004 5:09:23 AM PDT by Perdogg (Dubya - Right Man, Right Job, at the Right Time!)
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To: ruralgal
John Kerry is still gonna get whooped on November 2nd.

We have to be sure to tell our DUh friends that they get their turn to vote on November 2nd.
8 posted on 10/26/2004 5:09:34 AM PDT by Preachin' (Kerry/Rather 2004)
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To: ruralgal
The NYT does its level best to discourage Republican turnout at the polls.

I'll still be there to vote for the President, even though I oppose the legal recognition of sodomite perversion.

9 posted on 10/26/2004 5:10:44 AM PDT by wideawake (God bless our brave soldiers and their Commander in Chief)
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To: johnfkerrysucks

I gotta think he's just pandering for the moderates or something. I'm disappointed, he needs to cater to his BASE.


10 posted on 10/26/2004 5:10:46 AM PDT by ruralgal
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To: GopherGOPer

According to Fox and friends the Times hasn't bothered to retract thier missing weapons story today. I veiw anything they say with suspicion.


11 posted on 10/26/2004 5:11:58 AM PDT by cripplecreek (We've turned the corner and we're not smokin crack.)
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To: GopherGOPer

Looks like it's going to air today on Good Morning America. Anyone watching it?


12 posted on 10/26/2004 5:12:39 AM PDT by ruralgal
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To: ruralgal

This is the first I've heard him say this, too. He's always said it should be left to the states, but his personal opposition to the GOP platform is news to me.


13 posted on 10/26/2004 5:14:09 AM PDT by 7.62 x 51mm ( veni vidi vino visa "I came, I saw, I drank wine, I shopped")
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To: ruralgal

Leaving it up to the states and the people is a stance pretty consistent with most Republican party statues.

I think the NYT is embellishing it a bit...


14 posted on 10/26/2004 5:14:13 AM PDT by MikefromOhio (Rudi Bahktiar is hot!!!! Too bad she works for CNN.....)
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To: ruralgal

This is making a mountain out of a mole hill. As I read it Bush is saying that whether civil unions are allowed should be decided at the state level, and that as govenor of Texas he would have opposed it. As long as the federal government protect states' rights to make this decision, I have no objection to it.


15 posted on 10/26/2004 5:14:35 AM PDT by HoustonTech (Vote for Strength. Vote a straight Republican ticket.)
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To: ruralgal

If President Bush actually said what the article alleges he said, his statement cannot be blamed on MSM misrepresentation. The last thing Bush needs is to depress voter turnout among social conservatives. "Civil unions" give the blessing of the state to perversion and immorality.


16 posted on 10/26/2004 5:14:50 AM PDT by Wallace T.
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To: dandelion
Bush has ALWAYS said that this should be left up to the states.

Wait - I thought he had changed his mind and was pushing to amend the Constitution? I have to say I'm worried about this because I know a lot of people that are going to vote for Bush for that reason alone.

17 posted on 10/26/2004 5:14:59 AM PDT by ruralgal
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To: ruralgal
"I view the definition of marriage different from legal arrangements that enable people to have rights. And I strongly believe that marriage ought to be defined as between a union between a man and a woman. Now, having said that, states ought to be able to have the right to pass laws that enable people to be able to have rights like others."

I have zero problem with that.

18 posted on 10/26/2004 5:15:32 AM PDT by AHerald ("I'm George W. Bush, and I approved this butt-whoopin'")
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To: ruralgal

He's shooting for the Andrew Sullivan/Log Cabin vote.


19 posted on 10/26/2004 5:15:37 AM PDT by spodefly (I've posted nothing but BTTT over 1000 times!!!)
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To: AHerald

I actually think he's done a Kerry there.


20 posted on 10/26/2004 5:18:02 AM PDT by danceordie
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