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Thailand Says 78 Muslims Died in Army Custody
reuters.com ^ | Tue Oct 26, 2004 11:05 AM ET | Noppawan Bunluesilp

Posted on 10/26/2004 10:30:35 AM PDT by Destro

Thailand Says 78 Muslims Died in Army Custody

Tue Oct 26, 2004 11:05 AM ET

By Noppawan Bunluesilp

Thai soldiers apprehend hundreds of men after demonstrators clashed with police outside the Tak Bai police station in Thailand's Narathiwat Province, nearly 1150 km (715 miles) south of Bangkok, October 25, 2004. Almost 80 people died of suffocation in southern Thailand while being taken to detention at a military barracks after a violent demonstration, a justice ministry official said on Oct. 26. Photo by Stringer/Thailand/Reuters

PATTANI, Thailand (Reuters) - Almost 80 Muslims died in military custody in southern Thailand, suffocated while being transported in trucks to an army barracks after a violent demonstration, officials said on Tuesday.

Only six people were previously believed to have been killed when troops and police opened fire to quell a riot outside a police station on Monday in the restive, Muslim-majority region.

The huge leap in the toll, and the manner of the deaths, are bound to add to tensions. One local Muslim scholar accused authorities of gassing the victims and called it a massacre.

Justice ministry official Manit Sutaporn said 78 people died of suffocation, making it the bloodiest day in the Buddhist kingdom since April 28, when troops and police shot dead 106 machete-wielding militants, also in the south.

"We found no wounds on their bodies," Manit told a news conference in Pattani, a provincial capital 1,100 km (700 miles) south of Bangkok, of the latest deaths.

He said the victims were among hundreds of Muslim men arrested after a 1,500-strong rally was dispersed outside a police station in Narathiwat province.

The deaths appear to have occurred while the detainees, who were stripped semi-naked after their arrest, were being taken by truck to barracks in Pattani, a journey that took five hours, Major-General Sinchai Nutsatit told the news conference.

"We have never seen this sort of torture in Thai history before. It is just like gassing them," said Ahmad Somboon Bualuang, an Islamic scholar from the Prince of Songkhla University in Pattani province. "It is a deliberate massacre. They rounded protesters up and crammed them into closed trucks. They died from lack of air."

Troops and police fired live rounds, as well as water cannon and teargas, to end a six-hour standoff with the crowd, which was demanding the release of six villagers accused of handing over government-issue shotguns to Islamic militants.

Shots were also fired from the crowd, officials said, adding that some of the protesters were under the influence of drugs or were frail because of fasting during the Muslim holy month of Ramadan.

Six protesters died at the scene, and 20 people were injured.

"This is typical," Prime Minister Thaksin Shinawatra said when asked about reports of scores dead. "It's about bodies made weak from fasting. Nobody hurt them." "DELIBERATE MASSACRE"

Human rights groups said the deaths in military custody raised alarming questions in the self-styled "Land of Smiles," where campaigners say basic civil rights are under threat from an administration increasingly known for intolerance.

One of Thailand's 11 National Human Rights Commissioners appeared less concerned.

"The government did not over-react. It has done the right thing," Pradit Charoenthaitawee told Reuters.

"These people are rebels, separatists with some help from foreigners. This part of the country has belonged to Thailand since our grandparents. We can't allow separation."

One reporter said he saw troops round up the protesters after 15 minutes of gunfire, forcing men to strip to the waist and lie face down with their hands behind their backs.

The soldiers led about 20 women and children in the crowd into the police station, and roped the men outside together. The reporter said some soldiers picked out suspected ringleaders and beat them with rifles and batons.

Soon after, the commander of the troops arrived and reporters were told to leave. They left before the protesters were herded onto trucks.

Security officials justified the use of force, saying they feared the police compound would be attacked.

Police also said they recovered seven automatic rifles, a pistol, four hand grenades and some machetes either dropped by demonstrators or thrown into a nearby river.

Security outposts have been common targets in the 10-month unrest that looks increasingly like a revived Muslim separatist movement in the deep south.

Thailand's three southernmost provinces are home to the majority of the country's Muslims, who make up 10 percent of the mainly Buddhist nation's 63 million people.

At least 440 people, including Buddhists and Muslims, have been killed in the unrest, which started in January when guerrillas raided an army barracks, killed four soldiers and made off with around 300 assault rifles.

With an election looming, Thaksin is under increasing pressure to resolve the trouble, which analysts fear could create a fertile breeding ground for militant networks such as Southeast Asia's al Qaeda-linked Jemaah Islamiah.

"It's all building up to the point where we're in serious danger of what is so far a rather serious law and order issue turning into a broader insurgency," said Steve Wilford of Singapore-based Control Risks Group.

Despite a curfew imposed in eight districts of Narathiwat province after Monday's unrest, militants set fire to a school building and burned tires on several highways.


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; News/Current Events; War on Terror
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1 posted on 10/26/2004 10:30:35 AM PDT by Destro
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To: Destro
Thailand Says 78 Muslims Died in Army Custody

Do they still get 72 virgins?

2 posted on 10/26/2004 10:32:19 AM PDT by Toddsterpatriot (Hey, look at me, I'm a math major.)
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To: Destro

A small start.

The picture looks like MORE than 80 bodies. And spread over a wider area, than if dumped dead, from a truck.

Maybe they cure up better, spread just one layer thick.

The only way it will become clear that enough muslims have been killed, is when the muslims stop their terrorism and violent attempt to spread their political control.


3 posted on 10/26/2004 10:36:55 AM PDT by truth_seeker
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To: Destro

Does that mean those murdering islamic swines will now kidnap and behead Thais, if any, in Iraq? Just think: maybe, just maybe, there's a Thai Hit Squad that will serve the islamics the same dish. Hehehehe!


4 posted on 10/26/2004 10:38:05 AM PDT by lilylangtree (Veni, Vidi, Vici)
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To: Destro

What do you call 78 suffocated Muslim seperatists?

A good start.


5 posted on 10/26/2004 10:38:58 AM PDT by Hugin
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To: Toddsterpatriot

6 are going to have to wait their turn....


6 posted on 10/26/2004 10:39:47 AM PDT by misterrob
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To: Destro

A violent demonstration from the practitioners of the Religion of Peace TM? And then there is an outrage when they DIE? Violent confrontations often end in death.

"You knew the job was tough when you took it, Fred."


7 posted on 10/26/2004 10:40:44 AM PDT by weegee (George Soros has probably spent more on this election that many rock stars make in a year.)
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To: Toddsterpatriot

"Oops."


8 posted on 10/26/2004 10:41:05 AM PDT by SteveMcKing
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To: truth_seeker

I don't believe that those are the dead bodies; I believe that those are the detained men. Note the armed guards keeping them on the ground. One man has sort of rolled on his side (near the camera man).


9 posted on 10/26/2004 10:44:43 AM PDT by weegee (George Soros has probably spent more on this election that many rock stars make in a year.)
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To: Destro
"It is a deliberate massacre. They rounded protesters up and crammed them into closed trucks. They died from lack of air."

Coulda been B.O.

10 posted on 10/26/2004 10:45:14 AM PDT by Toddsterpatriot (Hey, look at me, I'm a math major.)
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To: lilylangtree

I remember reading about Muslims beheading Bhudusts in Thailand a few months back.


11 posted on 10/26/2004 10:45:28 AM PDT by Hugin
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To: weegee
I believe that those are the detained men.

I agree, no need to stand guard if they're already dead.

12 posted on 10/26/2004 10:45:59 AM PDT by Toddsterpatriot (Hey, look at me, I'm a math major.)
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To: Toddsterpatriot

Also too many have their hands up near their head.


14 posted on 10/26/2004 10:49:50 AM PDT by weegee (George Soros has probably spent more on this election that many rock stars make in a year.)
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To: weegee

Yes, but did they put panties on their heads?


15 posted on 10/26/2004 10:49:51 AM PDT by Hugin
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To: Indietime

Welcome to FR. This is your first post.

We can only take you at your word that you are A REPUBLICAN and A MUSLIM.

Nothing in your history offers any evidence.


16 posted on 10/26/2004 10:51:43 AM PDT by weegee (George Soros has probably spent more on this election that many rock stars make in a year.)
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To: Indietime

No, you are a troll.


Indietime
Since Oct 26, 2004


17 posted on 10/26/2004 10:52:03 AM PDT by Hugin
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To: Indietime

Sorry, mate, you can't be both, your claimed religion doesn't permit it. Islam demands theocracy under Sharia. Republicanism demands representative government and the protection of rights.

You are either very confused or a very bad liar.


18 posted on 10/26/2004 10:54:50 AM PDT by thoughtomator ("!Allahu Snackbar" - the war cry of the pajamadeen - Let's stop VOTE FRAUD NOW! Write your reps!)
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To: Indietime
You all should be ashamed.
i am a muslim and a republican

You're also a newbie and full of crap.

19 posted on 10/26/2004 10:55:17 AM PDT by DCPatriot (I don't do politically correct very well either.)
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To: Hugin

The DNC-Kerry-CBS-NYTimes October Surprise has blown up their face.

You know that there is some fingerpointing that this wouldn't have mattered if 60Minutes had been permitted to break the story on Sunday night (too little to counter the claims). But Kerry and Clinton wanted to have a bombshell to drop in their stump speeches this week.

Hillary is an evil genuis.


20 posted on 10/26/2004 10:55:27 AM PDT by weegee (George Soros has probably spent more on this election that many rock stars make in a year.)
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To: weegee

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1257619/posts?page=42#42


DRUDGE: Kerry/Edwards Campaign Preparing Campaign Ad On Missing Explosives
Posted by Indietime to txradioguy

On News/Activism 10/26/2004 10:53:18 AM PDT · 42 of 73

NBC ARE BACKTRACKING ALSO.....SEE NATIONAL REVIEW KERRY SPOT


22 posted on 10/26/2004 10:59:03 AM PDT by weegee (George Soros has probably spent more on this election that many rock stars make in a year.)
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To: Indietime
You all should be ashamed.

Why should we be ashamed that some Muslims died in Thailand?

23 posted on 10/26/2004 10:59:19 AM PDT by Toddsterpatriot (Hey, look at me, I'm a math major.)
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To: Indietime

"HOW WOULD YOU LIKE ME TO PROVE THAT I AM BOTH A MUSLIM AND A REPUBLICAN?

I AM

"

Since you just signed on today, there is no way whatever for you to do that. You have no track record here. Best thing is to sit back, read FR and avoid making statements you can't demonstrate as true.


24 posted on 10/26/2004 10:59:50 AM PDT by MineralMan (godless atheist)
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To: Destro

ooops!


26 posted on 10/26/2004 11:02:07 AM PDT by Beckwith (John Kerry, sign the Form 180 - petition at http://www.SignForm180.com)
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To: Indietime

The "muslim separatists" have alligned with foreign aggitators (what some would call terrorists) and seek to overthrow Thai rule.

You support this?


27 posted on 10/26/2004 11:02:52 AM PDT by weegee (George Soros has probably spent more on this election that many rock stars make in a year.)
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To: thoughtomator

Exactly!!!


28 posted on 10/26/2004 11:04:28 AM PDT by Muzzle_em
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To: Indietime; Admin Moderator

Cleanup in Aisle 13...


31 posted on 10/26/2004 11:05:37 AM PDT by Ladysmith (Uhhh, kin ah git me a huntin' license here?...)
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To: Destro

No mercy for Islam; it's not like they would have showed the Army any.


32 posted on 10/26/2004 11:06:16 AM PDT by Centurion2000 (Truth, Justice and the Texan Way)
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To: Indietime
You said that we should all be ashamed. That is but one post on this thread.

This was a six hour violent riot to have some prisoners accused of arming terrorists/militants released. The protesters are fasting because of the holy season and die on a 5 hour truck ride. Did they suffocate or was it exhaustion from 11 hours of exertion without food (they were at least hosed down with water during the riot)?
33 posted on 10/26/2004 11:06:52 AM PDT by weegee (George Soros has probably spent more on this election that many rock stars make in a year.)
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To: Indietime

You haven't said ANYTHING about this article. You've JUST posted about the FR forum. That's the whole point.


34 posted on 10/26/2004 11:08:09 AM PDT by weegee (George Soros has probably spent more on this election that many rock stars make in a year.)
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To: Indietime; ingo
When all Muslims apologize for all violence and murder committed in the name of Allah, then I will apologize on behalf of all Freepers for hinting that this was not a tragic accident.
35 posted on 10/26/2004 11:09:08 AM PDT by Toddsterpatriot (Hey, look at me, I'm a math major.)
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To: ingo
Is it racist to want to kill all Nazis? Or can we kill off Nazism while permitting Germans to live?

Can we kill Islamofascists (who have shown an unwillingness to live with people of other faiths whether they be Hindus, Buddhists, Christians, Jews, or other faiths)?

Some muslims claim that the violent Islamofascists are not even following Mohammed's Islam. If that is the case, then there is NO racism in stamping out that "false offshoot" of Islam, is there?

Islam must go through a reformation movement to prune this variant out of their ranks. I have seen stronger words on Ask The Imam about mosques that permit homosexuality than I ever have seen them denounce violence.
37 posted on 10/26/2004 11:12:08 AM PDT by weegee (George Soros has probably spent more on this election that many rock stars make in a year.)
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To: Valin
Ping to disgusting bigotry.
38 posted on 10/26/2004 11:13:59 AM PDT by Chemist_Geek ("Drill, R&D, and conserve" should be our watchwords! Energy independence for America!)
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To: Indietime
i am a muslim and a republican

Bud wake up. Your religion has not cast these vermin out and has covered for them. Don't expect anybody here to cry a river over any muslim given that.

They would kill our children in the name of "god".

39 posted on 10/26/2004 11:16:29 AM PDT by Nov3 (They knifed babies, They raped girls, They forced children to drink their own urine)
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To: Indietime
there is no need for hatred that is what separates us from them

There is every need for hatred. It's called survival. That's what separates us from dreamers like you.
40 posted on 10/26/2004 11:22:35 AM PDT by Sparky11
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To: Indietime

"I AM"

Fine. Islam is an ideology of bigotry, intolerence, cruelty and murder. You should be ashamed to be associated with it.


41 posted on 10/26/2004 11:22:50 AM PDT by Hugin
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To: Indietime
I discovered a website & magazine for 'queer Muslims'. It shocked me that there are 'queer Muslim' leaders opening Mosques and teaching. Can anything be done about this?

How can 'queer Muslim' leaders guide the Ummah?? I think it is a very serious issue and feel that something should be done to help the misguided. Shukran

Answer: It is really shocking that people of this type are being given positions of honour in the Muslim community. This is indeed a sign of Qiyamah. These people are astray and will lead others stray. It is the responsibility of the members of these communities to ensure that these people are removed from their posts.

Homosexuality and lesbianism are completely forbidden in Islam.

and Allah Ta'ala Knows Best

Ml. Husain Kadodia
STUDENT: Darul Ifta

CHECKED & APPROVED: Mufti Ebrahim Desai

Is it permissible to wage (Physical War) Jihad against Israel, U.S. and India (for there role in Gujrat Muslims Carnage)?

Your question is a sensitive one.

It does not behove one person to issue a ruling on such a matter. It require one to exercise precaution and have broad consultation before arriving at a conclusion.

and Allah Ta'ala Knows Best

Mufti Ebrahim Desai

What's the matter? They couldn't say "NO! Islam is a religion of peace. Violence is not the answer."???

I was shocked recently when I heard of the news that an American was beheaded by some Iraqis and this was shown on video to the whole world!!

I was shocked recently when I heard of the news that an American was beheaded by some Iraqis and this was shown on video to the whole world!! I just couldn`t digest it that a live human was slaughtered like an animal in front of the whole world!! This would certainly damage the already deterioting position of Islam in front of the west.

It reminded me of a similar case of Daniel Pearl`s murder in Pakistan about 2 years back. This is really disturbing to see Muslims doing such acts of violence. I agree that the people of Iraq are also suffering at the hands of the invaders and the resistance they are lodging against them is legitimate but I don`t think that Islam permits this kind of violence. What do you say about it.

Answer: The incident that you have written about is indeed shocking. However, it is extremely important that we do not lose hold of the bigger picture because of our emotions. Doesn’t it seem strange that throughout the Iraqi war and so many months of oppressive occupation, it is only when the US army has come under fire from the entire world because of their gross indifference to humanity that only now the Iraqis decide to publicly execute an American?

and Allah Ta'ala Knows Best

Mufti Ebrahim Desai

Videotaping the decaptition of prisoners is found around the world among muslim terrorists. This Imam did not denounce the practice. Did we "ask for it"?

42 posted on 10/26/2004 11:23:27 AM PDT by weegee (George Soros has probably spent more on this election that many rock stars make in a year.)
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To: ingo

This mob was protesting for the release of men who were charged with supplying stolen guns to terrorists. That would make them supporters of terrorism.

If they believed in man's law, they would allow the courts to determine if these men were guilty or innocent. Instead they wanted "democracy" (mob rule).


44 posted on 10/26/2004 11:32:22 AM PDT by weegee (George Soros has probably spent more on this election that many rock stars make in a year.)
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To: ingo
Where have I ever said that all muslims must be killed or converted? If the muslims think that Islamofascists are their friends, then they need to voice dissent once and awhile and find out about living with a cleric decreed death sentence on their head.

P.S. We bombed civilians in Nazi Germany as well as goosestepping soldiers. Even when their surrendered their uniforms after WWII, there were still "werewolves" physicially fighting the lost war in Germany for years.

45 posted on 10/26/2004 11:36:19 AM PDT by weegee (George Soros has probably spent more on this election that many rock stars make in a year.)
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To: ingo
Reformation is needed, but it's not going to happen over night

Well, we can't afford to wait. Yesterday is already too late.
46 posted on 10/26/2004 11:36:41 AM PDT by Sparky11
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To: Indietime

Indietime
Since Oct 26, 2004


47 posted on 10/26/2004 11:37:40 AM PDT by Destro (Know your enemy! Help fight Islamic terrorism by visiting johnathangaltfilms.com and jihadwatch.org)
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To: Destro
Thailand has been troubled by the Islamic separatists in the South for many years , they cling to an idea of a renewal of an old Kingdom there , but under Islamic auspices. Meanwhile
Islam continues to spread like a cancer throughout the country with mosques popping up in almost every city and town.These people do not respond well to either the Thai King or Gov. , as the great great majority of Thais do. Thais see moslems almost as foreigners in their midst , ever more dangerous foreigners. Thai moslems that continue to riot and murder in the South are really pushing the line in the sand with the rest of the Thai. Do not be surprised if a mass killing of the likes of the Communist purges in Indonesia results . Thais are tolerant , but when they snap , look out....
48 posted on 10/26/2004 11:42:30 AM PDT by LeoWindhorse
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To: ingo
"Yes, if they are planning or perpetrating violence on others as in Iraq, as the Israelis do in the ME."

Your time here will be short, troll.

49 posted on 10/26/2004 11:43:24 AM PDT by monkeywrench
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To: Indietime

I'd like some of this action. $100.00?


50 posted on 10/26/2004 12:53:17 PM PDT by Safetgiver (Mud slung is ground lost.)
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