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WHY I AM SUPPORTING JOHN KERRY. Risk Management (Sullivan)
The New Republic ^ | October 26, 2004 | Andrew Sullivan

Posted on 10/26/2004 1:45:29 PM PDT by ARCADIA

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To: StephenNYC

Sullivan has stated he doesn't want marriage for himself. He's not interested in it.


51 posted on 10/26/2004 2:00:39 PM PDT by AmishDude
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To: ARCADIA
So tired of hearing from this male bitch more concerned with his genitalia than national security.
52 posted on 10/26/2004 2:00:55 PM PDT by Helms (DNC Operatives Seem To Have Been Threatened With An Unexpected Accident Unless They Win)
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To: ARCADIA

"I have a hard time getting past these two issues as well"

Oh, really! My last experience with hindsight was that it was 20/20.


53 posted on 10/26/2004 2:00:55 PM PDT by rj45mis
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To: ARCADIA

I believe that he is in Dire need of a procedure called a PLEXIOTOMY !

A PLEXIOTOMY is a surgical procedure whereby a rectangle of flesh, measureing 4" by 6" is removed just below the patients belly button and a piece of PLEXIGLASS is inserted.

The procedure is for people who have their head up their A$$ can see where the H they are going !! Strongly recommended hear!!


54 posted on 10/26/2004 2:01:48 PM PDT by 26lemoncharlie (Defending America)
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To: ARCADIA
"the appalling damage a constitutional amendment [on gay marriage] would do to the social fabric"

Well, Andrew, just what would that "appalling damage" be? It would preserve the status quo on marriage - how can preserving the status quo be considered "appalling damage," which implies some kind of drastic change?
55 posted on 10/26/2004 2:02:07 PM PDT by Steve_Seattle
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To: ARCADIA

Thanks for this post. I like Andrew Sullivan, and he makes some good points. It is telling how a lot of the posters here have not made any arguments against Sullivan except that he is gay.


56 posted on 10/26/2004 2:02:38 PM PDT by conserv13
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To: ARCADIA

Don't be fooled, Sullivan has no core beliefs. He is a one issue bagman. He has no understanding of what Iraq is all about. You don’t drop the match if you’re down one set. There will be many stories to come that will make Sullivan lick his tale. Waite until the trials of Saddam and his Baathi goons begin and then you’ll see what kind of WMD you found in Iraq. The left and their allies the Europeans will be shamed if ever they have any shame left. Patience.


57 posted on 10/26/2004 2:03:51 PM PDT by AL Mamlouk
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To: ARCADIA
Shorter, more accurate version:

WHY I AM SUPPORTING JOHN KERRY.

Two words: Gay. Marriage. --Andrew Sullivan [honest version]

58 posted on 10/26/2004 2:04:08 PM PDT by Dr. Frank fan
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To: ARCADIA; jwalsh07
The lack of stockpiles of weapons of mass destruction in Iraq remains one of the biggest blows to America's international credibility in a generation.

Sullivan has sure changed his tune, regarding the above (Sullivan was celebrating Bush's actions in Iraq long after the WMD's turned up missing), when he freaked out over the proposed anti gay marriage constitutional amendment, and now he's just spinning. Sullivan's comment above is simply polemical BS, and I can't believe Sullivan isn't smart enough to know it. Everybody, including the usual suspects, the Germans and the French thought Saddam had WMD, and tried to cajole Bush to just be patient, and Saddam would eventually give them up (and meantime the French could continue to feather their nest).

Indeed, Saddam himself may have thought he had WMD's and just didn't know he had been defrauded by his underlings, and the allocated money had gone into their Swiss bank accounts. That was my original theory, and I'm sticking to it. It is the only explanation that makes sense of Saddam's actions.

59 posted on 10/26/2004 2:05:59 PM PDT by Torie
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To: StephenNYC

This Butt Pirate, and many of this butt pirate's fellow butt pirates, are supporting the President because our security is primary.<<

WHile I appreciate your statement for what it is, may I ask one question? Do ya'll really call each other "butt pirates?" - I'd think it would be offensive . . .or something.


60 posted on 10/26/2004 2:06:12 PM PDT by hushpad
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To: Mister Baredog
I don't think that Iraqi insurgency is some sort of conspiracy manipulated or encouraged by leftists in our country!

It's thinking like this that prevents us from analyzing our current strategy and making adjustments.

61 posted on 10/26/2004 2:06:21 PM PDT by ARCADIA (Abuse of power comes as no surprise)
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To: Grampa Dave
haha!

62 posted on 10/26/2004 2:06:37 PM PDT by MeekOneGOP (There is only one GOOD 'RAT: one that has been voted OUT of POWER !! Straight ticket GOP!)
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To: ARCADIA

Coincidence that this article is in sync with this week's DNC theme: Bush's competency in the execution of Iraq war. ???

Sullivan ain't no conservative. He's an opportunist.


63 posted on 10/26/2004 2:06:41 PM PDT by madameguinot
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To: GeekDejure

Don't be fooled, Sullivan has no core beliefs. He is a one issue bag man. He has no understanding of what Iraq is all about. You don’t drop the match if you’re down one set. There will be many stories to come that will make Sullivan lick his tale. Waite until the trials of Saddam and his Baathi goons begin and then you’ll see what kind of WMD you found in Iraq. The left and their allies the Europeans will be shamed if ever they have any shame left. Patience.


64 posted on 10/26/2004 2:06:41 PM PDT by AL Mamlouk
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To: ARCADIA
The absence of WMDs is just a miserable failure, pure and simple.

This might have been averted had we ignored the UN and commenced the war several months earlier, not giving Saddam time to move anything. Is that your preference? Both have down-sides.

Not anticipating the strength of the insurgency - also a major mistake

Who didn't anticipate the strength of the insurgency? It's no stronger than I anticipated it would be.

65 posted on 10/26/2004 2:06:47 PM PDT by Dr. Frank fan
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To: conserv13

Any good points he might make are far outweighed by the damage Kerry could do to this nation as he turns it over to international rule. His history, as well as the words coming out of his mouth, are just too damning.


66 posted on 10/26/2004 2:06:51 PM PDT by SlowBoat407 ("Don't bother giving me liberty: I'll take it for myself, thanks.")
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To: ARCADIA

Andrew Sullivan mentions "Abu Ghraib" as a terrible blow to the US credibility. It was bad, but no worse than a lot of the fraternity hazings that take place on college campuses during "hell week". What is worse, the treatment of prisoners (who were formerly trying to kill our troops) or guys like Al Zarqawi, who seems to take great delight in sawing off the heads of his hostages? Were is the outrage??


67 posted on 10/26/2004 2:06:56 PM PDT by Retiredforever
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To: ARCADIA
Andrew Sullivan -
"Why I'm supporting John Kerry. Three words. John John Sandwich. They're so hot together I just want rush in and be the hamburger to their buns. FABU' LICOUS"

68 posted on 10/26/2004 2:08:01 PM PDT by avg_freeper (Gunga galunga. Gunga, gunga galunga)
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To: ARCADIA

I you don't think leftists are rooting for terrorist and insurgent victories in Iraq then you haven't really been paying attention to the Old Media, leftist congressmen, leftist entertainers, and so on.

Wake up Arcadia.


69 posted on 10/26/2004 2:08:47 PM PDT by wvobiwan (Kerry/Edwards Foreign Policy Slogan: Accept our surrender or we'll sue!)
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To: cspackler

It's not a setback -- that's okay, we make adjustments. It's just that they raise serious questions about judgement.


70 posted on 10/26/2004 2:08:58 PM PDT by ARCADIA (Abuse of power comes as no surprise)
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To: ARCADIA

Andrew Sullivan is a one agenda voter, gay rights trumps all other issues, and Bush's stance on same sex marriage and endorsing the constitutional amendment to ban it, made Sullivan turn on Bush, so this endorsement is no surprise to any informed Freeper. If you have followed Sullivan's columns, you would have noticed the about face in his writing following Bush's endorsement of the amendment.

He has merely latched on to democrat talking points in a lame attempt to justify his hackneyed endorsement.

So they didn't find WMDs ? All intelligence agencies said Saddam had them before the war. It is the intelligence communities failure, not Bush's. Would you haver preferred he did nothing and found out that Saddam did have them after a WMD was set off in one of our major cities ? Should he have trusted Saddam's word ? Especially knowing how bribed the UN, France and others were by Saddam.

Anticipating the strength of the insurgency ? Is he supposed to have a crystal ball and known that Iraq's military would fold so quickly and disappear into the populace ? In every war, the unexpected and unpredictable occur.

Those two issues are hindsight issues. Part of leading is making hard decisions, not sticking your finger in the air to see which way the wind is blowing.


71 posted on 10/26/2004 2:09:21 PM PDT by KMAJ2 (Freedom not defended is freedom relinquished, liberty not fought for is liberty lost.)
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To: ARCADIA

Sullivan says he "Supports", not votes, for Kerry. As I said, he is British. Unless he became a citizen he can not vote. And if I read the article correctly, he never actually says that he will be voting for Kerry.He's very nuanced in his choice of words.


72 posted on 10/26/2004 2:09:30 PM PDT by COUNTrecount
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To: clintonh8r

I haven't made up my mind yet. It's just that those two issues get to me. They were real screw-ups! It raises questions about judgment.


73 posted on 10/26/2004 2:10:46 PM PDT by ARCADIA (Abuse of power comes as no surprise)
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To: ARCADIA

Andrew Sullivan mentions "Abu Ghraib" as a terrible blow to the US credibility. It was bad, but no worse than a lot of the fraternity hazings that take place on college campuses during "hell week". What is worse, the treatment of prisoners (who were formerly trying to kill our troops) or guys like Al Zarqawi, who seems to take great delight in sawing off the heads of his hostages? Were is the outrage??


74 posted on 10/26/2004 2:11:25 PM PDT by Retiredforever
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To: ARCADIA

Sullivan has gone wobbly. The fact is that Osama is almost right when he says America hasn't the will to take casualties. Americans want everything now, and we want it free and easy. That is not how the Civil War was won, that is not how WWII was won, that is not how the Cold War was one, and that is not how the War on Terror will be won.


75 posted on 10/26/2004 2:11:32 PM PDT by Steve_Seattle
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To: SlowBoat407

Don't get me wrong, I am still voting for Bush.


76 posted on 10/26/2004 2:12:20 PM PDT by conserv13
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To: ARCADIA
I don't think that Iraqi insurgency is some sort of conspiracy manipulated or encouraged by leftists in our country!

I didn't say conspiracy but if you don't think the political division in the U.S. is encouraging the terrorists then you haven't been paying attention.

I think they even mentioned Haliburton in one of their beheading videos, just how do you supose they heard about that one HUH?

77 posted on 10/26/2004 2:12:42 PM PDT by Mister Baredog ((Part of the Reagan legacy is to re-elect G.W. Bush))
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To: ilgipper

I don't think that the prison scandal was that bad. I disagree with Sullivan there. (I don't think it was that big a PR coup for the enemy, either. People in that part of the world know how real prison abuse - torture - murder - is.


78 posted on 10/26/2004 2:13:13 PM PDT by ARCADIA (Abuse of power comes as no surprise)
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To: ARCADIA

i read to where he said kerry wasn't evil. kerry is evil. it's all about kerry, and no one else....he and jane helped create the environment where our viet nam vets were spit on, and over 2 million south vietnamese slaughtered when we pulled out. they should both be tried for treason.


79 posted on 10/26/2004 2:14:58 PM PDT by libbylu
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To: ARCADIA

Spoken like someone who has never been President of the United States, or ever had a job where decisions must be made quickly and regardless of the unknowns.

GWB's judgement, and that of his team, is the MAJOR reason I'm voting for him, and against Kerry.

Questioning GWB's judgement is an Kerry/Old Media trick - attack your enemy FIRST with the charges he's likely to make about yourself.


80 posted on 10/26/2004 2:17:43 PM PDT by wvobiwan (Kerry/Edwards Foreign Policy Slogan: Accept our surrender or we'll sue!)
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To: ARCADIA

Where is Everett Dirksen when we need him? Oh. Well then, where is someone like Everett Dirksen when we need him?

In reality, Arcadia. GWB comes legions closer than J (Jackass) F(Foney)Kerry (Kommie) in filling that bill.


81 posted on 10/26/2004 2:19:58 PM PDT by Paperdoll (.........on the cutting edge - any Bushites need a lift to the polls?)
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To: ARCADIA
Bush has had some notable achievements. He was right to cut taxes as the economy headed toward recession; he was right to push for strong federal standards for education; he was right to respond to September 11 by deposing the Taliban; he was right to alert the world to the unknown dangers, in the age of Al Qaeda, of Saddam Hussein's Iraq. He is still right that democratization is the only ultimate security in an age of Jihadist terror.

Equally, his presidency can and should be judged on its most fateful decision: to go to war against Iraq without final U.N. approval

So let me get this straight: For everything Bush has done right, you'll damn him because he didn't ask permission from the U.N. to swat a menace to the civilized world. Ho-kay. I can see you're very credible. </sarcasm>

And as for you ARCADIA, do you work for Reuters? 1) Insurgents don't come from Syria and Saudi. Those are terrorists. 2) Name a single war that went "exactly as expected". 3) Your backhanded insinuation that we're better off with Saddam in power and no definitive word on WMD's, than we are with no Saddam and no WMD's, is ludicrous on it's face. 4) I think this ten-times-longer-than-it-needed-to-me diatribe by Sullivan, is just his ego flailing wildly to try to convince himself that it's ok to vote for the wrong guy.

If you're agreeing with that, if you have a hard time getting past that... that is a miserable failure, by your conscience.

82 posted on 10/26/2004 2:20:19 PM PDT by Dr.Deth
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To: ARCADIA

Where is Everett Dirksen when we need him? Oh. Well then, where is someone like Everett Dirksen when we need him?

In reality, Arcadia. GWB comes legions closer than J (Jackass) F(Foney)Kerry (Kommie) in filling that bill.


83 posted on 10/26/2004 2:21:35 PM PDT by Paperdoll (.........on the cutting edge - any Bushites need a lift to the polls?)
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To: StephenNYC

"Hey, I'm a Butt Pirate, too"

Shit ahoy, mate!


84 posted on 10/26/2004 2:22:20 PM PDT by rj45mis
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To: ARCADIA

Sullivan was a plant from the beginning.

Any conservative who didn't know that is naive.

Sullivan doesn't care about america. He cares about the next guy his HIV+ super-ego can screw.


85 posted on 10/26/2004 2:23:33 PM PDT by xzins (Retired Army and Proudly Supporting BUSH/CHENEY 2004!)
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To: rlmorel

Well said, comrade!


86 posted on 10/26/2004 2:23:45 PM PDT by rj45mis
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To: ARCADIA; All
"The absence of WMDs is just a miserable failure, pure and simple."

Well, now Kerry is saying the absence of the 'explosives' is a viable threat to everyone! You/he/they cannot have it both ways.

With the UN Security team on Saddam's dole - France/Germany and probably Russia and no doubt a few others. . .what WOULD we have found; and when?

What/when would the UN'inspectors' have found that they did not find in twelve years - no doubt, very lucrative years of 'hunting' for WMD's. . .(right!).

The truth of the matter is; we know Saddam had connections to Osamma; we know (almost for certain; if not for certain) that one covert UN function was the funneling of money to terrorist groups - most likely AlQueda. . .as we were 'waiting'. . .then hunting. . .waiting for Iraq to comply with what. . .UN sanctions (?) - another joke!

And finally, monies going to them as we are at war with them. So who/where is the enemy? We know where it was happening and who was making it all possible.

The ferment/ the money/the availability was sourced in Iraq; by Saddam and the UN and other companies now 'food for oil' program. (One of which belonged to Mark Rich. . .how big was that deposit made by Mark, in a Swiss bank for THAT pardon?) Well, I digress. . .

The ONLY thing to do; was to dismantle this entire bogus UN circus and Saddams tortuous regime and take out some terrorist as well; and take the lid off the whole ugly pot.

IMHO. . .

As to the question:Who better to take on a Marxist regime? NOT A MARXIST for sure!

What do people think Kerry IS; in his real life?

87 posted on 10/26/2004 2:29:02 PM PDT by cricket (Don't lose your head. . vote Republican. . .)
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To: ARCADIA
Same sex marriage no doubt.

That or he likes to watch fireworks.

88 posted on 10/26/2004 2:30:03 PM PDT by weegee (George Soros has probably spent more on this election that many rock stars make in a year.)
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To: KC_Conspirator
"Hokum. We all know why Sullivan is backing Kerry. Its too bad that he has lost so much focus."

Yes, to even ask the question. . .'who to take on our totalitarian/marxist enemies'. . .

Surely a MARXIST NOT, Andrew!

89 posted on 10/26/2004 2:31:38 PM PDT by cricket (Don't lose your head. . vote Republican. . .)
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To: Pikamax
Right on target.

Sullivan could have saved a lot of (digital) ink by shortening it to "Blah blah blah blah blah. Bush is against gay marriage. Kerry is probably not. Therefore it's less risky to go with Kerry."

90 posted on 10/26/2004 2:31:52 PM PDT by Zeppo
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To: ARCADIA

"The absence of WMDs is just a miserable failure, pure and simple.

Not anticipating the strength of the insurgency - also a major mistake "

Could those results really have been avoided?? Only if we sit on our hands and take no action---not a viable option. "Miserable failure"?? Miserable failure=Saddam Hussein still in power and attempting to develop WMDs.

Why are you using Kerry-speak??


91 posted on 10/26/2004 2:32:35 PM PDT by sam_whiskey (Peace through Strength)
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To: ARCADIA
The absence of WMDs is just a miserable failure, pure and simple.
Not anticipating the strength of the insurgency - also a major mistake
I have a hard time getting past these two issues as well

There are ONLY two things one can say with absolute certainty when one goes to war . . .
1. Soldiers will die.
2. Your intel will be wrong.

To expect anything much less everything to go as planned is simply naive.

Did GW think Iraq had WMD's? Absolutely. As did Great Britain, Germany, France, Russia, China, the UN, and anyone else with a measurable IQ. So-Dumb Hussein said he had WMD's. EVERY intelligence service in the world agreed with him. After all, seeing the hell-storm he was about to face, wouldn't a "sane" man do everything in his power to prove to the world he didn't have WMD's if, in fact, he didn't have WMD's?

So-Dumb Hussein turned out to be an insane mass murderer instead of just a mass murderer but doubting ourselves now, after we've saved thousands, hundreds of thousands, and perhaps millions of Iraqis from being murdered in the future plays right into the hands of the panty-waist tree-huggers.

So-Dumb flaunted every UN Resolution passed to hold him accountable. Blame him for the WMD fiasco. Or blame the various intelligence services. Or blame the UN Inspection Teams. But GW isn't personally responsible for there not being any WMD's in Iraq. He can only deal with the facts as they're presented to him.

We'd had eight years of shadow-boxing as our enemies murdered American civilians, soldiers, and innocents with impunity under Pee Wee Clinton before GW came on the scene. Would you rather see us return to THAT?

If so, you reveal your true colors.

Has GW made some mistakes? Absolutely. But I'd much rather have a President who makes mistakes while he's attacking our enemies than a President who makes mistakes while he's hiding under the UN's skirt as our enemies pick us off at will.

We need a President who's willing to make the tough decisions, then act on them, then have enough cojones to follow through on them until our enemies are either killed, captured, or made to realize that Americans will not be used as target practice.

By the way . . . how many more attacks has there been on American soil since 9-11?

92 posted on 10/26/2004 2:39:41 PM PDT by geedee (Who is more foolish, the child afraid of the dark, or the man afraid of the light?)
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To: ARCADIA

Mr. Sullivan is a homosexual activist and a slave to his obsession. He would endorse whichever candidate he sees as most likely to advance the homosexual agenda. All else is secondary no matter what he says.


93 posted on 10/26/2004 2:42:57 PM PDT by scory
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To: ARCADIA
The lack of stockpiles of weapons of mass destruction in Iraq remains one of the biggest blows to America's international credibility in a generation. The failure to anticipate an insurgency against the coalition remains one of the biggest military miscalculations since Vietnam.
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First point; Every intelligence agency in the world at the time said Iraq had WMDs. Intense stringency by 3 members of the Security Council was suspicious at the time and later shown to be motivated by economic concerns, not intelligence matters. I maintain that credibility gap was there all along and the Iraq war became a convenient talking point on which to hang the credibility gap.
Point two; 20/20 hindsight and armchair quarterbacking are not valid criticisms until the crystal ball is perfected. And, the US Military is responding to the insurgency with new tactics and armaments. It takes time to rebuild the US Military after the Clinton years.
Thats all of the article I will comment on.
94 posted on 10/26/2004 2:43:17 PM PDT by crazyhorse691 (I volunteer to instruct JFK on the meaning of a purple heart!!)
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To: ARCADIA
Obviously, Kerry's stand against a constitutional amendment to target gay citizens is also a critical factor for me, as a gay man.

The bottom line is buggery ...

95 posted on 10/26/2004 2:47:00 PM PDT by ArrogantBustard
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To: smonk

:-)


96 posted on 10/26/2004 2:57:20 PM PDT by stands2reason
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To: Torie

I have nothing nice to say about Andrew Sullivan so I will refrain from saying what I really think.


97 posted on 10/26/2004 2:59:56 PM PDT by jwalsh07 (Always ask yourself, does this pass the Global Test?)
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To: ARCADIA
Those are not the reasons he's backing Kerry.
98 posted on 10/26/2004 3:01:52 PM PDT by Tribune7
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To: ARCADIA; Jim Robinson

1. WMD's, plans, and just-in-time recipes have been found.

2. The insurgency is bogus -- it is what Bush says. Originated and funded by terrorists and frightened terrorist regimes. The proof....they waited until after the hot season to begin the insurgency. Iran, Syria, Al Qaeda, etc. all had June, July, August, September to regroup. The danger to Americans began in Oct/Nov of 2003.

There was no "plan for an insurgency." We are fighting international terrorisms REGROUPED plans in Iraq. Good for us! Fight terrorism over there instead of over here. Draw them into a killing zone. EXCELLENT STRATEGY!

Finally, count the number of incidents in a day and what the incident is.

They are LOW IN NUMBER, propaganda intensive, militarily insignificant attacks directed primarily at their own people.

They are afraid to take on American forces because every time they have we have turned them into bloody, messy puddles of DNA!

We ARE winning!

Don't count on the media to let you know this.

You will see the truth of our continuing progress once President Bush is re-elected and the terrorist's hopes go out the window.

They enemy is going to become very, very discouraged.


99 posted on 10/26/2004 3:02:40 PM PDT by xzins (Retired Army and Proudly Supporting BUSH/CHENEY 2004!)
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To: ARCADIA

Other neocon warbloggers are also backing Kerry (Oxblog, etc.). With Sullivan, gay marriage is the main reason, but with the others, it looks like a gamble that Kerry will secure what they want and Bush will put it at risk. It's akin to a Johnson Democrat backing Nixon in 1968 betting that Nixon would follow through on Vietnam better than Humphrey. Part of the gamble today is that Kerry will be a weak President domestically and feel compelled to hold the line on Iraq, yet prove competent both at home and abroad. Whether Kerry will satisfy them is hard to say, but it is quite a risk and involves plenty of assumptions that could blow up in their faces.


100 posted on 10/26/2004 3:06:16 PM PDT by x
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