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POSSIBLE WITNESS TO TERRORIST ACTIVITY?
10/26/04 | LibertyLass

Posted on 10/26/2004 5:38:03 PM PDT by libertylass

I HAD MY OWN LITTLE EXPERIENCE LAST SATURDAY THAT PROMPTED ME TO CONTACT THE LOCAL POLICE, AND WHEN THAT DIDN'T SATISFY ME, THE HOMELAND SECURITY OFFICE IN SACRAMENTO, CA. THEY IN TURN SENT ME BACK TO MY LOCAL FBI OFFICE, WHO CONSIDERS MY "EVENT" WORTH LOOKING INTO:

I was walking my dog at about 10:30 am when a man pulled up to the curb in front of my condominium units. We have 23 units that are place in a horseshoe shape with the "opening" of the horseshoe facing the street. The "opening" contains the building for our clubhouse and sauna room so you can't actually see into our common area from the street.

Anyway, I didn't pay any attention to him until about a 1/2 hour later when I left with my dog to take her to the vet. As I walked to my truck (on the street) this middle-Eastern looking guy was standing in the middle of the street taking pictures of our condos. Our condos are directly across from a school and less than 1/2 a block from an elementary school where voting takes place for our immediate area.

At first I wasn't going to say anything, thinking he works for a real estate company, but because there are no "For Sale" signs, or "For Rent" signs on our front lawn, I found it odd. I recently refinanced my condo and they never took pictures of the front of the condo units, but only of my interior and immediate outside walls.

So.....as I walked towards him I asked "do you mind me asking you what you're doing?" He replied "I don't know that it's any of your business" at which time I replied "well, I live here and you're taking pictures of my condos, and people are watching out for this kind of thing." (I was getting perturbed at his uncooperative and disrespectful attitude.) I figure if he was a legitimate real estate agent, or an appraiser, he would have offered an explanation or a business card.

He stated "this is a public place" and proceeded to go get in his car. Me, always being a bit bolder than I should be, got a bit mouthy and said "Oh, so now you're going to leave when someone questions what you're doing?" He replied "yeah."

As he got into car I read his license plate number out loud, got into my truck, wrote it down along with the type of automobile (Dodge Intrepid) and drove to my moms to contact the police.

It turns out that they didn't consider him committing any crime (which I knew), so I contacted the dept. of homeland security. They referred me to my local FBI office in L.A. where my story was welcomed, and that I would be getting a follow up call from an agent at some point.

After talking to a co-worker she reminded me that one school is directly across the street from our units and the other one is around the corner just a few houses down.

Perhaps I was overreacting, but taking pictures of PRIVATELY owned homes without offering an explanation from a resident makes me suspicious. He spoke good English, but has a middle Eastern accent.

I keep thinking I'm gonna wake up in the middle of the night with an orange jumpsuit on and my hands tied behind my back. Shiver........

I believe he also wrote down my license plate number, but can't be sure.

Was I over-reacting you think?


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; US: California
KEYWORDS: homelandsecurity; staysafe; terrorism
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Anyone else had an experience such as this? If so, please share your story and what YOU did about following up on it.
1 posted on 10/26/2004 5:38:04 PM PDT by libertylass
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To: libertylass

post this on the Threat Matrix thread.


2 posted on 10/26/2004 5:39:52 PM PDT by oceanview
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To: libertylass

For what it's worth, if you had not reported this incident, you would have been remiss (IMHO, of course).

Well done. Keep your head up.


3 posted on 10/26/2004 5:40:33 PM PDT by islander-11 (Save Nantucket - Vote Republican!!!)
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To: libertylass
Was I over-reacting you think?

In this day & age? Nope. Not by a long shot.

Maybe this guy wasn't a terrorist, but it sounds like he was definitely casing your home. Either way, you done good.

4 posted on 10/26/2004 5:41:39 PM PDT by Prime Choice (The Leftists think they can tax us into "prosperity" and regulate us into "liberty.")
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To: libertylass

no over-reaction IMO


5 posted on 10/26/2004 5:41:51 PM PDT by Texas_Jarhead
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To: libertylass

You did EXACTLY the right thing. And thank you.


6 posted on 10/26/2004 5:41:56 PM PDT by kitkat ("The democrats would rather win the WH than the war." - Tom DeLay)
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To: libertylass

Only the ACLU or the democrats would say you overreacted. What you did was very sensible and you should be very proud that you took the initiative as you did. If that individual was up to something wrong, it is not likely he'll return to your neighborhood.


7 posted on 10/26/2004 5:42:32 PM PDT by Trepz
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To: libertylass

It makes me about polling places all over the US now, especially in Republican districts. Is yours?


8 posted on 10/26/2004 5:42:35 PM PDT by MarkeyD (<a href="http://www.michaelmoore.com>Maggot</a>)
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To: libertylass

I would have done the same, Good work


9 posted on 10/26/2004 5:43:40 PM PDT by JRP0322
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To: libertylass
Was I over-reacting you think?

No.

10 posted on 10/26/2004 5:43:45 PM PDT by okie01 (The Mainstream Media: IGNORANCE ON PARADE)
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To: libertylass

No way you over reacted. You did the right thing, but the police sure didn't.


11 posted on 10/26/2004 5:43:50 PM PDT by whershey (www.worldwar4.net)
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To: libertylass

You asked legitmate questions ... legitimate even before 9-11, because he photographing your own home. He was rude not to answer.


12 posted on 10/26/2004 5:43:51 PM PDT by bvw
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To: libertylass

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Anyone else had an experience such as this? If so, please share your story and what YOU did about following up on it.
<<

We spotted the guy arrested in North Carolina shooting video of our office building in Atlanta. It didn't strike me as suspicious, but our project manager, a former Captain in the marine Corps called the local FBI office while we were standing there. Go figure.


13 posted on 10/26/2004 5:44:15 PM PDT by noblejones (The Focus group folks told him to do this . . .)
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To: libertylass

I would've done nearly the same thing... (I wouldn't've talked to him, I'm a chicken***.) :)


14 posted on 10/26/2004 5:44:17 PM PDT by cgk (Hitchens: USA worth fighting for, needs to be defended unapologetically against the forces of jihad)
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To: libertylass

Someone did awhile back, but it's been too long to find it now. I think you did the right thing.
I hope it was nothing. Give your pup a kiss from me.


15 posted on 10/26/2004 5:44:24 PM PDT by MarMema (Sharon is my hero)
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To: libertylass

You might give this information to the press, I bet they have connections with the DMV that can look up info on this guy.


16 posted on 10/26/2004 5:44:52 PM PDT by MarkeyD (<a href="http://www.michaelmoore.com>Maggot</a>)
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To: libertylass

You most definitely did not overreact, and I admire what you did.


17 posted on 10/26/2004 5:44:56 PM PDT by Bahbah (Proud member of the pajamahadeen)
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To: WhistlingPastTheGraveyard

ping for your Philly airport story.


18 posted on 10/26/2004 5:44:58 PM PDT by cgk (Hitchens: USA worth fighting for, needs to be defended unapologetically against the forces of jihad)
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To: libertylass

If it wasn't California, I'd have shot him.


19 posted on 10/26/2004 5:45:00 PM PDT by xone
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To: libertylass
Was I over-reacting you think?

No!

Glad it was you and not me. This whole past 12 months have really given me a bad attitude which I am finding hard to keep under control.......I'm even flippin the bird to real old ladies following me too close........

20 posted on 10/26/2004 5:45:01 PM PDT by Hot Tabasco (Can't stop to talk right now, I'm on a Jammie-Jihad....)
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To: libertylass

I don't think you were over-reacting. I go after "harmless" realtors this way -- anyone taking photographs, or notes, or simply sitting in their car on my street. It's my version of "community oriented policing". :> You did good! Always trust your instincts.


21 posted on 10/26/2004 5:45:21 PM PDT by Alia
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To: libertylass

did you check out the license number at DMV?


22 posted on 10/26/2004 5:45:21 PM PDT by V4bush
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To: libertylass

Better Safe than Sorry. Like they told us at Poll Watcher Training this weekend at Bush Headquarters "Just the fact they you are there PAYING ATTENTION will stop any voter fraud in its tracks. Be aware, be confident and be nice, Trust but verify.

You were all of the above.


23 posted on 10/26/2004 5:45:35 PM PDT by TurtleStink
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To: libertylass
I did this same thing when the Iraq War Started. I scared the crap out of a Real Estate Appraiser doing Comp's.
24 posted on 10/26/2004 5:45:57 PM PDT by cmsgop ( Bong Hits, Fraggle Rock Reruns and DU is no way to go through Life....)
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To: libertylass
You did the right thing. It is better to report needlessly than to let something serious slip by. You'd have kicked yourself forever. We must not let our pride get in the way of protecting our country. Thanks for being vigilant.
25 posted on 10/26/2004 5:46:18 PM PDT by A knight without armor
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To: bvw

century 21 maybe?


26 posted on 10/26/2004 5:47:25 PM PDT by al baby (she stuned my little beeber)
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To: libertylass

Good job.

I have experienced a similar situation, and now keep a portable camera in my car at all times. If I see something again, I plan to snap a pic before addressing the person if at all.


27 posted on 10/26/2004 5:47:45 PM PDT by JesseJane (~On November 2, keep in mind what mattered most on 9-11.~)
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To: libertylass

Good job. Keep us posted.


28 posted on 10/26/2004 5:48:11 PM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (I actually did vote for John Kerry, before I voted against him.)
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To: libertylass

You definitely did right to report this.

If the FBI gets one useful lead out of ten, or even one out of fifty, they are still way ahead of getting no leads at all. The FBI relies heavily on tips and informers. They don't really have the manpower to cover much territory directly.

This guy may have just had a bad attitude, but from what you say his behavior was definitely suspicious.


29 posted on 10/26/2004 5:48:17 PM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: libertylass

Too bad you didn't have a camera handy. I would have started taking pictures of him.


30 posted on 10/26/2004 5:49:21 PM PDT by Normal4me
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To: libertylass

A hearty 'pat on the back' for a job well done.

Remember: Eternal vigilence is the price of freedom.

Also remember: lock and load.


31 posted on 10/26/2004 5:49:32 PM PDT by four more in O 4 (God Bless George Bush and God Bless YOU.)
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To: libertylass

During wartime, the thought that anyone can behave in a suspicious manner and not be questioned by some sort of "devine American right" is unrealistic as well as suicidal. I don't blame you at all. If he was not up to anything he should have nothing to fear at all.


32 posted on 10/26/2004 5:49:57 PM PDT by The_Media_never_lie
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To: libertylass

I'm glad you did exactly what you did.

Consider, if you had not and something DID happen; would you be able to live with the guilt?

Hopefully, nothing will happen. If nothing happens, you will be able to think that nothing happened BECAUSE you did what you did. Perhaps an attempt will NOT be made, because you stood your ground. If he was casing the condo's for a robbery, he will probably prey somewhere else.

I wish more Americans were as noble as you have shown yourself to be.


33 posted on 10/26/2004 5:50:02 PM PDT by Hodar (With Rights, comes Responsibilities. Don't assume one, without assuming the other.)
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To: libertylass

You did the correct thing. Great job! This is the only way we can eventually defeat these kind of threats. Eternal vigilance and common sense.

God bless!


34 posted on 10/26/2004 5:50:11 PM PDT by ChristianFool
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To: xone
If it wasn't California, I'd have shot him.

Hey, brilliant idea!

:o

35 posted on 10/26/2004 5:50:22 PM PDT by Joe Hadenuf (I failed anger management class, they decided to give me a passing grade anyway)
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To: libertylass

I live in Michigan in the middle of the state, no big metropolis is nearby and we can pee off the back porch with no one ever being the wiser. (I have 20 acres surrounded by trees) anyways My cousins live 12 minutes from here. Their school, (Birch Run) showed up on a terrorist computer disc in Iraq. You can never be to careful, You never know who is watching or what they are interested in. You did the right thing no doubt at all.


36 posted on 10/26/2004 5:50:38 PM PDT by racnpartsales4u
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To: noblejones
We spotted the guy arrested in North Carolina shooting video of our office building in Atlanta. It didn't strike me as suspicious, but our project manager, a former Captain in the marine Corps called the local FBI office while we were standing there. Go figure.

What building in Atlanta was it?

37 posted on 10/26/2004 5:52:07 PM PDT by Vigilantcitizen (#40)
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To: Prime Choice

Anything short of "recon by fire" is not over reacting.


38 posted on 10/26/2004 5:52:26 PM PDT by Natural Law
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To: V4bush

any LE types she could email the plate number to and they could do a discrete inquiry?

Freeprs, don't we have someone who can do this????


39 posted on 10/26/2004 5:53:03 PM PDT by cajungirl (Kerry:Bad for Geese, Bad for America)
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To: libertylass

Don't question yourself, you did the right thing. I hope it was nothing serious, and if that's the case, then you did no harm. Better safe than sorry!

I'm glad we've got citizens like you keeping a cautious eye on things. =)


40 posted on 10/26/2004 5:53:18 PM PDT by Zeppelin (John Kerry - Because holding every position on every issue is not easy.)
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To: Trepz
Racial profiling - that is what the Demmy's and the Libs and the rest of the politically correct will say of your actions!
They will say this, "had that been a white guy taking pictures, you would have never said anything - much less confronted the man"!
So sadly, you are accused of racial profiling!
My thoughts on this are "screw 'em, let's confront whenever, whereever and with whomever it becomes necessary!
Good Job!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1
41 posted on 10/26/2004 5:53:36 PM PDT by Mr. Wright
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To: libertylass

I really hope this was nothing, but you did the right thing.

My apt complex is right across from an elementary school which is also my election polling place. I'll have to keep an eye out ...


42 posted on 10/26/2004 5:54:23 PM PDT by Betis70 (I'm only Left Wing when I play hockey)
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To: JesseJane

That's a very good idea about having a camera in the car. I've got those portable ones in my desk at work. Tomorrow I'll be putting one in the car.


43 posted on 10/26/2004 5:54:49 PM PDT by Shannon
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To: libertylass

In the winter of 2003, following an elevated homeland security alert, I was driving near Lancaster PA on a heavily traveled two lane route. I followed a small sedan with 4 young middle eastern men. No women. They were pointing to this and that building on the left and right as they drove slowly, following the truck traffic. They began driving somewhat erraticly, moving to a center turn lane, then weaving out in front of me at the last minute.

Then it occured to me. They are driving toward Three Mile Island, the infamous nuke plant near Harrisburg. I called 911 and reported to the police, gave them the license number and description. Never heard any resolution. But I would do it again in a heartbeat, with no remorse.


44 posted on 10/26/2004 5:55:49 PM PDT by Drummer
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To: libertylass
No, you did precisely the right thing. What he was doing was suspicious. How he reacted was even more suspicious. The DHS needs tips like the one you supplied. Writing down the make, model, color and license number of the vehicle is precisely what you needed to do. As usual, your donut-eating-surrender monkeys had their usual response and would not even work with the homeland security people. Remember that when they come looking to the taxpayers for a raise. Also remember that they don't protect citizens, they only find clues after crimes are committed. That's why I my best friends are named Smith&Wesson.
45 posted on 10/26/2004 5:56:25 PM PDT by Lunkhead_01
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To: Shannon; JesseJane

yeah I have considered getting one of those camera phones specifically for that purpose. I generally only use my mobile for emergencies, but I always have it with me.


46 posted on 10/26/2004 5:56:49 PM PDT by Betis70 (I'm only Left Wing when I play hockey)
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To: al baby

If the guy was innocent, he SHOULD have said "I'm taking pictures for a real estate company." Instead he got beligerent and ran off.

There is phenonenon going on where ordinary arab Americans are recruited by al-qaeda to do "TOURIST DRY-RUNS."

They take pictures of vulnerable sites, ask directions to nuclear sites or dams, leave luggage at vulnerable sites, act more than extremely suspicious on airline flights etc. If they are asked questions or are taken in for questioning by the FBI, they have a viable alibi.

If no questions are asked, they pass their information on.

But they are really just testing our defences, doing dry-runs and gathering intelligence.

We need to stop this activity which is usually run out of your local "Islam is a religion of Peace" mosque.


47 posted on 10/26/2004 5:57:33 PM PDT by JustDoItAlways
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To: libertylass
He stated "this is a public place" and proceeded to go get in his car. Me, always being a bit bolder than I should be, got a bit mouthy and said "Oh, so now you're going to leave when someone questions what you're doing?" He replied "yeah."

This one had a bad attitude, and your intuition to ask him that simple question seems like the right thing to do in that situation.

I can't imagine why he would cop an attitude, and I would have taken the same actions you did.

God Bless and keep you safe!

48 posted on 10/26/2004 5:57:59 PM PDT by easonc52
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To: al baby

There's good reasons and bad reasons why someone might be doing that -- the generaL rule is that ANYONE ANYTME should check out why their property (rented or owned) is being checked out to an unusual degree by stangers. Not to do so is a breach of social contract -- to one's duty towards ensuring the peacable continuance of current comfortable circumstance of one's family and neighbors.


49 posted on 10/26/2004 5:58:55 PM PDT by bvw
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To: libertylass

You are a very brave man and you did the right thing by reporting him. What happened in Beslan could happen here so, good job.

Just to be safe, I'd buy a gun, security system and a dog, but then I'm paranoid anyway. :)


50 posted on 10/26/2004 5:59:00 PM PDT by diamond6 (Everyone who is for abortion has already been born. Ronald Reagan)
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