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James Lileks, The Bleat (Fisking of Sullivan)
LILEKS (James) The Bleat ^ | 10/27/04 | James Lileks

Posted on 10/27/2004 5:57:59 AM PDT by Numbers Guy

The sun set, the moon rose, the unchilled milk attained room temp, the dog had to pee, the match was struck and guttered out, the earth moved along its prescribed orbit, and Andrew Sullivan endorsed John Kerry. Some notable rationales:

Kerry has said again and again that he will not hesitate to defend this country and go on the offensive against Al Qaeda. I see no reason whatsoever why he shouldn't.

This would be a reasonable statement if Sen. Kerry had just popped fully-formed from Zeus’ brow, howling for justice, but there’s the inconvenient matter of three decades of public pronouncements that makes one wonder how he defines “defend(ing) this country,” and what he consider to be an offensive. No? Or am I being unfair? Perhaps.

You know, I don’t want to be unfair; here’s the big chunk I’m chewing:

Does Kerry believe in this war? Skeptics say he doesn't. They don't believe he has understood the significance of September 11. They rightly point to the antiwar and anti-Western attitudes of some in his base--the Michael Moores and Noam Chomskys who will celebrate a Kerry victory. I understand their worries. But they should listen to what Kerry has said. The convention was a remarkable event in that it pivoted the Democratic Party toward an uncomplicated embrace of the war on terror. Kerry has said again and again that he will not hesitate to defend this country and go on the offensive against Al Qaeda. I see no reason whatsoever why he shouldn't. What is there to gain from failure in this task? He knows that if he lets his guard down and if terrorists strike or succeed anywhere, he runs the risk of discrediting the Democrats as a party of national security for a generation. He has said quite clearly that he will not "cut and run" in Iraq. And the truth is: He cannot. There is no alternative to seeing the war through in Iraq. And Kerry's new mandate and fresh administration will increase the options available to us for winning. He has every incentive to be tough enough but far more leeway to be flexible than the incumbent.

Besides, the Democratic Party needs to be forced to take responsibility for the security of the country that is as much theirs as anyone's. The greatest weakness of the war effort so far has been the way it has become a partisan affair. This is the fault of both sides: the Rove-like opportunists on the right and the Moore-like haters on the left. But in wartime, a president bears the greater responsibility for keeping the country united. And this president has fundamentally failed in this respect. I want this war to be as bipartisan as the cold war, to bring both parties to the supreme task in front of us, to offer differing tactics and arguments and personnel in pursuit of the same cause. This is not, should not be, and one day cannot be, Bush's war. And the more it is, the more America loses, and our enemies gain.

Okay, chew it up.

The greatest weakness of the war effort so far has been the way it has become a partisan affair. This is the fault of both sides: the Rove-like opportunists on the right and the Moore-like haters on the left

Laff? Cry? Coin-toss. Yes, it’s somehow become a partisan affair, thanks to a strange, unknowable alchemic reaction between the Rove-like and the Moore-like, some odd love-child with Eloi and Moorlock DNA. Because we all remember those vast demos in Europe, arranged by the Rovian right, to whip up anti-Taliban sentiment before the Afghan campaign. We all recall the Rove-like movies made by the Rove-like directors and the Rove-like newspaper editorials demanding that the dusky scum kneel before the bright Christian banners we bear aloft. Everyone’s equally guilty here. Six of one, four-hundred-thousand dozen of the other.

And let us shed a tear for those who believed it was necessary after 9/11 to knock off Saddam and establish a beachhead in the region ‘twixt Iran and Syria, but later ran away shrieking like freshly skinned rabbits because it had somehow, by some odd turn of events, turned into a partisan affair. What scared them off? Who knows? Just happened, I guess. Somewhere between the brutal Afghan winter, the interminable quagmire of the operational pause en route to Baghdad – all 72 hours of it - and the devastating supposition that the turkey Bush presented on Thanksgiving may not have been the actual fowl consumed by the troops, we realized that the war was all failure and lies and failed lies about lying failures, and we can’t do anything and the Plan was wrong and Mission Accomplished, yeah right. Oh, and We Support the Troops.

Who gets more media traction in this heated media-saturated climate? Rove-like Opportunists, or Moore-like Haters?

But in wartime, a president bears the greater responsibility for keeping the country united. And this president has fundamentally failed in this respect.

Oh, surely. But maybe - just maybe - many people did not want the country to be united if it meant being united behind Bush. He is a much more potent and immediate threat, after all. Who’s heard from Osama lately? Meanwhile Bush is out there every day handling snakes and speaking in tongues and supergluing parapalegics to wheelchairs, because his weird-beard God loves suffering and commands him – via text-messaging, for all we know – to kill them oily rag-heads. I mean, today I was behind a car whose bumpersticker had a picture of Bush with the slogan "American Terrorist." I know that driver was so behind Bush before he failed - in a fundamental way - to convince the driver he was not equivalent to Abu Nidal. Probably because he misprounced "Nuclear." Farking moron.

Keeping the country united? Good luck. Imagine FDR running a war with a press composed of cynical snickerers who derided the president as a rich old cripple who thought the best way to defeat Tojo was a war in North Africa and preached defeat every day through the hard slog of the Pacific theater. Imagine running a war with an entertainment industry that declined to make a single movie about the conflict - why, imagine a "Casablanca" where Rick and Sam argue about whether America started it all because they didn’t support the League of Nations. Imagine a popular radio drama running through the early 40s about a smart, charismatic, oh-so-intellectual Republican president whose bourbon baritone mocked FDR’s patrician whine, a leader who took no guff from Stalin OR Hitler! Lux Soap brings you, The West Wing of the White House! Imagine Thomas Dewey’s wife in 1944 callling the WW2 a war for oil; imagine former vice presidents insisting that FDR had played on our fears after Pearl Harbor. Imagine all that.

FDR won the 1944 election 25,602,504 votes to Dewey’s 22,006,285. And this was almost two million votes less than he got in 1940. Did he fail to unify the country, if half the voters wanted someone else? Or is that just how we always are, more or less?

I want this war to be as bipartisan as the cold war, to bring both parties to the supreme task in front of us, to offer differing tactics and arguments and personnel in pursuit of the same cause.

"Bipartisan as the cold war?" At the start, perhaps, but not after Vietnam. Not after Nixon. The cold war was no longer us v. them, good v. evil, but us v. the future, clueless patriotism v. post-nationalist utopia. It wasn't a difference of "tactics and arguments," but a difference of perspectives and objectives. Rewind the calendar to the 80s; there were two different approaches to the Soviet threat:

Coexistance, whereby we sign pieces of paper that outlaw six classes of missiles, permit development of three others, lay out frameworks for future talks on reducing expansion of experimental tests for another class, accept Soviet client states in our neighbodhood, and oh, we exchange circuses and ballet troops. Peace!

Up Yours, Ivan, whereby we push back against any attempt to plant the hammer and sickle in our hemisphere, fund those who resist your imperialism, match you rocket-for-rocket in Europe’s front yard and spent eleventy billion dollars on stuff you can neither invent nor afford. War!

But peace, in the end. To repeat:

He knows that if he lets his guard down and if terrorists strike or succeed anywhere, he runs the risk of discrediting the Democrats as a party of national security for a generation

Is it instructive to note which side Sen. Kerry instinctively inhabited in the 80s? Apparently not. Because now he knows that if terrorists strike, he runs the risk of discrediting his party. Got that? Runs the risk. Of discrediting his party. Of all that the theats he might face, apparently that's the one that seals the deal. Look: The guy voted against the first Gulf War. What else do you need to know? UN thumbs up, global test, allies coming out the wazoo, and he voted no. Because that’s who he is. There are lots of Democrats with hard-core pro-defense no-nonsense smite-the-fascist records. He ain't one of them. One might reasonably assume he would only commit US forces unless they were under the command of the Vulcans, and only then if the Federation High Council had given up on the Organians coming in and making everyone’s guns disappear in their hands. If they don't? Back the Sandinistas and hope for the best.

He has said quite clearly that he will not "cut and run" in Iraq. And the truth is: He cannot.

Because that would lead to helicopters on the roof and boat people and reeducation camps and mass deaths, and God knows the world has never seen anything like that.

This is not, should not be, and one day cannot be, Bush's war. And the more it is, the more America loses, and our enemies gain.

And this argument is not, should not be, and one day cannot be, and dasn’t be, and at the end of the day might not be, convincing. This is like saying vote McClellan, lest the war against secession and slavery be seen as Lincon’s war. Our enemies gain when America aligns itself with the nations and institutions disinclined to see America win. They don't want us to lose, necessarily, but our clear triumphs are so damnably inconvenient. In any case, it’s not Bush’s war if he wins the election, is it? And if the French and moo-lahs and disaffected café-sitters in Cairo still think it’s Bush’s war after he wins 40 states, who gives a tin merde? Kerry can buy five minutes of good will by putting the screws to Israel, and reap the accolades of those who cannot wait for the inevitable flowering of liberal democracy in Arafat’s Instant Sea-Monkey Paradise (just add statehood!) but once those five minutes are up, and the Arab press starts pointing out Kerry’s Jewish roots, and the bombs go off again in Tel Aviv, does anyone think France will petition the Security Council to bomb Hezbollah camps in Syria?

I admit. I have a fantasy. Kerry wins. He’s having a summit with Tony Blair. In the middle of the conversation, Chirac calls up; Kerry excuses himself and has a brief chat about a new resolution to let French oil companies bid on reconstruction projects, and they have an amiable conversation in French. Kerry hangs up.

“Your predecessor,” Blair says, “spoke to him in English.”

“I know,” says President Kerry. “He couldn’t speak French.”

“He didn’t have to,” Blair notes. He gives a tight smile. And sighs. And gets down to explaining what now must be done.

If Tony B. ran against Kerry in this country, I wonder who'd win? I'd vote for him. Everything else aside, he gets it. He always has.


TOPICS: News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: lileks; sullivan
A thorough Lileks annihilation of Sullivan's Kerry endorsement.
1 posted on 10/27/2004 5:57:59 AM PDT by Numbers Guy
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To: Numbers Guy

Every principle Andrew Sullivan may hold is obviously being held hostage to his love of rectal buggery.


2 posted on 10/27/2004 6:09:56 AM PDT by Mr Ramsbotham ("Ich glaube, du hast in die hosen geschissen!")
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To: Mr Ramsbotham
In Mr. Sullivan's case, it does indeed seem to be the case that

...Love has pitched his mansion in
The place of excrement;
Not that there's anything wrong with that (aside from the obvious septic and epidemiological concerns and a complete absence of reproductive efficacy).
3 posted on 10/27/2004 6:25:15 AM PDT by snarks_when_bored
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To: Numbers Guy; aculeus; annyokie; bad company; CalRepublican; Carolina; ...

NC *Ping*

Please FRmail Constitution Day, TaxRelief OR Helms if you want to be added to or removed from this North Carolina ping list.
4 posted on 10/27/2004 6:26:26 AM PDT by Constitution Day (Kerrorist: "you peopole just want kerry to shut up because you're to stupid to defend yourselfs")
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To: yall

OOPS!
Right ping list. Wrong ping message.


5 posted on 10/27/2004 6:27:16 AM PDT by Constitution Day (Kerrorist: "you peopole just want kerry to shut up because you're to stupid to defend yourselfs")
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To: Mr Ramsbotham

My thought exactly. Sad but true.


6 posted on 10/27/2004 6:27:22 AM PDT by georgia peach
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To: Numbers Guy

Thanks for not being quidnunc.

Dan


7 posted on 10/27/2004 6:34:23 AM PDT by BibChr ("...behold, they have rejected the word of the LORD, so what wisdom is in them?" [Jer. 8:9])
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To: Numbers Guy

With his endorsement of Kerry, who happens to be the worst Dem candidate ever (yes, worse than Carter), Sullivan forfeits any credit he had built in the conservative camp over the last ten years or so. So long Andy, all your fine words and nice speeches you've made purporting to be a patriotic conservative are now for naught.


8 posted on 10/27/2004 6:36:13 AM PDT by driftless ( For life-long happiness, learn how to play the accordion.)
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To: Constitution Day

Hehe. Thanks for the ping!


9 posted on 10/27/2004 6:37:13 AM PDT by SquirrelKing ("I have to march because my mother couldn't have an abortion." - Maxine Waters (D-California)
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To: JohnHuang2
When Lileks is good, he's very, very good. And here, I think he is good. Good, at least, in deconstruting Sullivan's absurd arguments.

The deeper question is Why Sullivan would publicly take such a palpably inane position?

No one knows the thoughts of a man except the spirit of a man, but one sometimes can make a guess. And here is mine:

Andrew Sullivan has bet his eternal soul on the proposition that he can embrace his perverse sexual desires, and everything will turn out OK. And Kerry's party is the one that makes him most comfortable with that bet.

Unfortunately, both of those are disastrous decisions. For him, and for the country.

And that's my two cents.

(c;

Dan
Biblical Christianity message board

10 posted on 10/27/2004 6:38:29 AM PDT by BibChr ("...behold, they have rejected the word of the LORD, so what wisdom is in them?" [Jer. 8:9])
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To: Numbers Guy
Meanwhile Bush is out there every day handling snakes and speaking in tongues and supergluing parapalegics to wheelchairs, because his weird-beard God loves suffering and commands him – via text-messaging, for all we know – to kill them oily rag-heads.

I'm choking, I'm laughing so hard!!

11 posted on 10/27/2004 6:39:31 AM PDT by SuziQ (Bush in 2004-Because we MUST!!!)
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To: Numbers Guy

Arafat's Sea-Monkey paradise indeed!

Gotta love it!

D


12 posted on 10/27/2004 6:41:29 AM PDT by daviddennis (;)
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To: SquirrelKing

You're quite welcome!


13 posted on 10/27/2004 6:49:59 AM PDT by Constitution Day (Kerrorist: "you peopole just want kerry to shut up because you're to stupid to defend yourselfs")
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To: Numbers Guy
Keeping the country united? Good luck. Imagine FDR running a war with a press composed of cynical snickerers who derided the president as a rich old cripple who thought the best way to defeat Tojo was a war in North Africa and preached defeat every day through the hard slog of the Pacific theater. Imagine running a war with an entertainment industry that declined to make a single movie about the conflict - why, imagine a "Casablanca" where Rick and Sam argue about whether America started it all because they didn’t support the League of Nations. Imagine a popular radio drama running through the early 40s about a smart, charismatic, oh-so-intellectual Republican president whose bourbon baritone mocked FDR’s patrician whine, a leader who took no guff from Stalin OR Hitler! Lux Soap brings you, The West Wing of the White House! Imagine Thomas Dewey’s wife in 1944 calling the WW2 a war for oil; imagine former vice presidents insisting that FDR had played on our fears after Pearl Harbor. Imagine all that.

Yeah, it's definitely Bush's fault we aren't united in the war on terror. [/sarcasm]

14 posted on 10/27/2004 7:18:01 AM PDT by Semi Civil Servant (November 2, 2004: I'm suspicious of the timing of this election.)
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To: BibChr

I think you're right, and it's very sad that he lets his deviancy change his position on issues. Sullivan's not one of thoese you can say, "he really believes this liberal crap". He's a hypocrite, and even he knows it.

Oh well. Lileks did a great job here - had me mad and laughing by turns.


15 posted on 10/27/2004 7:23:04 AM PDT by JenB
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To: Constitution Day

Oh, surely. But maybe - just maybe - many people did not want the country to be united if it meant being united behind Bush. He is a much more potent and immediate threat, after all. Who’s heard from Osama lately? Meanwhile Bush is out there every day handling snakes and speaking in tongues and supergluing parapalegics to wheelchairs, because his weird-beard God loves suffering and commands him – via text-messaging, for all we know – to kill them oily rag-heads.

Say it with sarcasm James!

Thanks for the ping (for a moment, I thought I needed an absentee ballot).


16 posted on 10/27/2004 7:27:31 AM PDT by KTpig
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To: Numbers Guy

I noticed that Chistopher Hitchens who has been very favorable to the War recently decided to vote for Kerry. This seems a little out of synch with his previous arguments, but in line with his left wing politics.


17 posted on 10/27/2004 9:20:39 AM PDT by wildbill
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To: Mr Ramsbotham

"Ich glaube, du hast in die hosen geschissen!"

Because you're saying "I believe," it needs to be in Subjunctive II.

Ich glaube, dass du in die Hosen geschissen habest --

If you don't just BELIEVE it happened, but know for certain that it did, then it's something like:

Ich weiss, dass du in die Hosen geschissen hast.


18 posted on 10/27/2004 2:12:17 PM PDT by eddiespaghetti ( with the meatball eyes)
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To: Numbers Guy
I thought this was the lowest-hanging piece of fruit on the tree:

he runs the risk of discrediting the Democrats as a party of national security for a generation.

This happened approximately one generation ago (see Vietnam).

19 posted on 10/27/2004 2:26:51 PM PDT by Monti Cello
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To: eddiespaghetti
Thanks, but this isn't my construction. It's a direct quote from a 17th century version of "Till Eulenspiegel." If you're into German and you haven't come across any Eulenspiegel, you might find his slightly scatalogical adventures to be amusing!
20 posted on 10/27/2004 3:40:33 PM PDT by Mr Ramsbotham ("Ich glaube, du hast in die hosen geschissen!")
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To: Numbers Guy

Mr. Sullivan is a one-issue voter, and the issue is not the war on terror.


21 posted on 10/27/2004 3:44:12 PM PDT by Southern Federalist
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To: Numbers Guy
Oh, fisking. Whew!


For a minute there... oh, never mind.


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22 posted on 10/27/2004 3:47:37 PM PDT by itsamelman (“Announcing your plans is a good way to hear God laugh.” -- Al Swearengen)
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To: Numbers Guy
What is there to gain from failure in this task? (Sullivan)

Everything, you idiot.

If we fail, the power of the UN and our enemies, including Kerry, will increase and the room for idenpendent sovereign action by the US will decrease.

For Kerry, our failure yields enormous dividends.

23 posted on 10/27/2004 3:51:11 PM PDT by Jim Noble (FR Iraq policy debate begins 11/3/04. Pass the word.)
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To: Numbers Guy
What is happening to this forum?! This is obligatory!


24 posted on 10/27/2004 3:52:02 PM PDT by ABG(anybody but Gore) (Dan Rather plans to spend the winter in Valley Forgery.-hflynn)
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To: Semi Civil Servant
Imagine FDR running a war with a press composed of cynical snickerers who derided the president as a rich old cripple who thought the best way to defeat Tojo was a war in North Africa

To be fair to FDR (and Bush), the press was probably composed of cynical snickerers during WW II also.

The difference is that FDR had formal press censorship, and a well-funded official propaganda machine.

Who dares, wins.

25 posted on 10/27/2004 3:53:53 PM PDT by Jim Noble (FR Iraq policy debate begins 11/3/04. Pass the word.)
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To: Numbers Guy

Great article!

BTTT!


26 posted on 10/27/2004 3:58:36 PM PDT by swilhelm73 (Democrats and free speech are like oil and water)
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