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DRUDGE: Russia tied to Iraq´s missing arms; Pentagon: Weaponry relocated before war
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Posted on 10/27/2004 7:11:06 PM PDT by The G Man

Nothing further. Freaking Russians ...


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To: clintonh8r

First: Checkmate.

Kerry's huge scandal has just blown up. In his face. He will look like a fool over the next couple of days. He made desperate charges, and now he will have to conduct a climbdown. This is the end.

I strongly suspect that this story, if it gets play, will lead to a loss of some morale among marginal Kerry voters.

Second: the SPETZNAZ moved in and moved the stuff to Syria. Why? BECAUSE THE STUFF HAD BEEN MADE AND SOLD TO SADDAM BY THE RUSSIANS AND UNDER RUSSIAN SUPERVISION!!!! If it's SPETZNAZ troops, or the Guards Iron Hammer Airborne troops, it's Putin's personal operation.

We KNEW this, and have known it all along. It was the intention of Bush to forgive the Russians their tresspasses because Putin never betrayed Bush personally. The Russians were in cold pursuit of their national interests. We knew that Putin was moving the stuff out. We also knew something else:

Putin took possession of Saddam's WMD stockpile, in part to give the headstrong Americans pause, in part to cover their own participation in the Moustache's arms buildup, and lastly to keep it out of the hands of Al Qaeda, and their good friends, the Chechens. Botulinum toxin or VX gas works just as well in the Moscow Subway system as it would in Penn Station. I will bet you that Bush, Rice, Powell, Rummy, the head spooks at CIA, Blair, and MI-6 knew this as well.

This story tells me the whole missing ingredient: Vladimir Putin. Only the KGB could assemble a team in a short time and get the bad stuff out. They knew where it was hidden; we did not. He must have promised Saddam asylum and a healthy retirement on the Black Sea in exchange for cooperation. I wonder how long it took for Saddam to realize that Putin had taken him to the cleaners?

Why did we let a huge KGB operation go forward? Why did we let the WMD escape? Well, two reasons:

1. The WMD and the high explosives were going into Russian hands. Russians are reasonable, sane people. They are not Arabs.

2. And the most important reason of all? Saddam would never get the chance to use combat mycotoxins or VX against our troops. It is possible that hundreds of lives were saved this way, possibly several thousand. If the choice was between Bush being embarrassed and having to put up with the likes of a blowhard like John Kerry and Bush presiding over the loss of hundreds of guys in a single day due to VX?

The choice, my friends, was an easy one for Bush to make.

Which is another reason why he gets my vote: the interest of the fighting men came first.

Be Seeing You,

Chris

201 posted on 10/27/2004 10:43:22 PM EDT by section9 (Major Motoko Kusanagi says, "Jesus is Coming. Everybody look busy...")

701 posted on 10/27/2004 9:08:46 PM PDT by Vigilantcitizen (#40)
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To: conservativepoet

Mummies don't need sleep.


702 posted on 10/27/2004 9:09:01 PM PDT by bear11
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To: jimbo123; Grampa Dave; Dog; blam; NormsRevenge; Howlin; Brad's Gramma; onyx; Mo1; MEG33; ...
Thanks that link worked.:::

Mr. Shaw, who was in charge of cataloguing the tons of conventional arms provided to Iraq by foreign suppliers, said he recently obtained reliable information on the arms-dispersal program from two European intelligence services that have detailed knowledge of the Russian-Iraqi weapons collaboration.

That sounds pretty solid!!!!

703 posted on 10/27/2004 9:09:03 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach (A Proud member of Free Republic ~~The New Face of the Fourth Estate since 1996.)
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To: Peach

Thanks Peach. I will read it and then call it a night. My husband thinks I am married to the computer this week.

Good Night and God bless.


704 posted on 10/27/2004 9:09:42 PM PDT by GWfan
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To: rocklobster11
The Russian convoy that was shot at was mainly from the embassy, and occurred on 4/7/03. The explosives were probably extracted between January and early March

story from way back:

http://www.washingtontimes.com/national/20040816-011235-4438r.htm

The recent discovery by the Bush administration's Iraq Survey Group (ISG) is fueling speculation, but is not proof, that the Iraqi dictator moved prohibited weapons of mass destruction (WMD) into Syria before the March 2003 invasion by a U.S.-led coalition. ....

The shift was followed by the movement of trucks in and out of Syria suspected of carrying materials banned by U.N. sanctions. Once the shipments were made, the agents would leave and the regular border guards would resume their ...etc

705 posted on 10/27/2004 9:10:03 PM PDT by maine-iac7 ( Play Bommers http://pages.sbcglobal.net/b The shift was foommer/When_The_Man_Comes_Around.html)
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To: conservativepoet
Reporters talking to ABC News radio less than 30 mins. ago indicated John Kerry has stopped talking about this issue tonight. Another reporter indicated that it looks like Kerry has gone over the edge taking CBS and NYT with him.

OMG.........Christmas has come early!

706 posted on 10/27/2004 9:10:04 PM PDT by MamaLucci (Libs, want answers on 911? Ask Clinton why he met with Monica more than with his CIA director.)
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To: The G Man

Amen!


707 posted on 10/27/2004 9:10:10 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach (A Proud member of Free Republic ~~The New Face of the Fourth Estate since 1996.)
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To: The G Man
Theory:

1.Bush and Allawi know something about weapons in Syria sent there by Russia
2.Russia is not cooperating fully with Iraq's rebuilding/war on terror
3.GWB and Allawi decide to set up Putin
4.Allawi sends note to UN
5.UN sends note to NYT
5.NYT runs with story
6.Kerry makes a royal ass of himself, admits there were WMD thereby
7.Putin comes clean about helping Iraq out before war, but is sorry now...
8.Bush wins 40 states
708 posted on 10/27/2004 9:10:27 PM PDT by Acrobat (Gregoire, Murray, Cantwell, Ross: sounds like the Trotsky bunch put on trial in the USSR in the '20s)
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To: GWfan

Ditto that, GWfan. Sleep tight and God bless you, too.


709 posted on 10/27/2004 9:10:27 PM PDT by Peach (The Clintons pardoned more terrorists than they ever captured or killed)
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To: maine-iac7; pbrown

After posting, click the back button on your browser: three or four clicks will roll you back in time through your posting procedure to the place where you left off.


Works like a charm. ;O)


710 posted on 10/27/2004 9:10:40 PM PDT by Petronski (A Monday morning quarterback has never led any team to victory.)
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To: bear11

Ahh well... fun while it lasted... BWHAHAHAHAHA

711 posted on 10/27/2004 9:11:15 PM PDT by DaveMSmith (I'm not so sure it's credible to quote leading news organizations about --oh,nevermind.-GWB)
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To: DaveMSmith
I have been harping on this fact for a few days.

All kinds of security storage thefts overcome seals easily and the IAEA never looked inside on their last visit.

But ya can't beat propaganda with factual things like that.

Looks like this story will be getting legs. Big legs!

712 posted on 10/27/2004 9:11:23 PM PDT by Cold Heat (http://ice.he.net/~freepnet/kerry/staticpages/index.php?page=20040531140357545)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

Hey, but if Bush had put together a real coalition...


713 posted on 10/27/2004 9:11:35 PM PDT by gov_bean_ counter (If it talks like a liberal, votes like a liberal and spends like a liberal, it's a liberal.)
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To: arichtaxpayer

Thats my question ..I've seen serious news on here , Drudge etc and the MNM NEVER even mentions it ..


714 posted on 10/27/2004 9:11:48 PM PDT by hineybona
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To: Acrobat

Oh,MY!..It sounds great!


715 posted on 10/27/2004 9:12:37 PM PDT by MEG33 (John Kerry has been AWOL on issues of national security for two decades)
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To: Straight Vermonter

Thanks for that post -- I'd remembered seeing a story that Russia wanted inspectors back. A nice slap in the face, I'd say.


716 posted on 10/27/2004 9:13:38 PM PDT by browardchad
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To: The G Man

Can't wait to see a joint press conference with Putin and Bush explaining that they had decided before the war that Russia would secure, catalog and authenticate the WMDs. Therefore, proving their existence and that coalition forces did not plant them. For international security purposes they have not been able to divulge this information and have no other option than to do so now.


717 posted on 10/27/2004 9:14:02 PM PDT by Toespi
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To: bear11

718 posted on 10/27/2004 9:14:36 PM PDT by DaveTesla (You can fool some of the people some of the time......)
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To: Petronski

Thanks for the tip.


719 posted on 10/27/2004 9:14:37 PM PDT by processing please hold (All I ever need to know about Islam, I learned on 9-11)
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To: finnigan2; MEG33
Back in mid-spring, I rather flippantly told a buddy I believed the President would get about 340 electoral votes.

Being a gentleman, I have stuck to that number since then. Now it seems I might have lowballed it. LOL


720 posted on 10/27/2004 9:14:45 PM PDT by Petronski (A Monday morning quarterback has never led any team to victory.)
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To: The G Man

Look a Russian Iceberg

721 posted on 10/27/2004 9:15:16 PM PDT by Sparky760 (The sleeping Giant has been awakened)
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To: pbrown
I've worn out the little rolly thingy in the middle of my mouse...now I have to use the arrow...what a pain that is.>/i>

LOL...fortunately, one of my grandsons, bless is heart, gave me a mouse with a 'thumb ball' roller. much easier on my hand and wrist...but still!

722 posted on 10/27/2004 9:15:41 PM PDT by maine-iac7 ( Play Bommers http://pages.sbcglobal.net/b The shift was foommer/When_The_Man_Comes_Around.html)
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To: Vigilantcitizen; section9

Yes, 201 was a very good post.


723 posted on 10/27/2004 9:16:03 PM PDT by Petronski (A Monday morning quarterback has never led any team to victory.)
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To: conservativepoet

>>Reporters talking to ABC News radio less than 30 mins. ago indicated John Kerry has stopped talking about this issue tonight. Another reporter indicated that it looks like Kerry has gone over the edge taking CBS and NYT with him.<<

Are you flipping serious???????

Please say yes!!!!!


724 posted on 10/27/2004 9:16:27 PM PDT by sissyjane (Silk pajamas for dress up, and flannel for everyday-perfect Freeper wardrobe!!)
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To: Vigilantcitizen

Yes, excellent summary by section9!


725 posted on 10/27/2004 9:16:28 PM PDT by Skywarner (Enjoying freedom? Thank a Veteran!)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

BUMPin' It UP!!!

SO who are the real losers?

The French ... and the leftists in the democratic party who bet the house on a war hero, only to see him turn out to be a war whore.


726 posted on 10/27/2004 9:16:55 PM PDT by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ...... The War on Terrorism is the ultimate 'faith-based' initiative.)
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To: Cold Heat
I didn't realize the final IAEA inspection was closed.

The IAEA was had in North Korea (Kerry blamed Bush for that, too), just makes too much sense Saddam did too being the UN was enabling him.

727 posted on 10/27/2004 9:17:39 PM PDT by DaveMSmith (I'm not so sure it's credible to quote leading news organizations about --oh,nevermind.-GWB)
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To: DaveMSmith

I think the who UN inspector group is corrupt. Blix, ElBaradei, rememeber they had Scott Ritter. I know that is why Bush wants ElBaradie out, because he thinks he's been helping Iran and didn't go after Libya. That is why ElBaradei sent the memo about the "missing explosives".

I think Bush new this before we went into Iraq and he was probably very upset about having to wait because he knew all of these weapons were being taken out under the UNs noses and he had "to play the diplomatic route" first.


728 posted on 10/27/2004 9:17:47 PM PDT by Txsleuth
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To: Petronski

Ya soglasen! Po moyemy, Kerry ochen gloopy doorak! (Man, I wish I had a Cyrillic font)


729 posted on 10/27/2004 9:17:55 PM PDT by eddiebear
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To: TapTheSource

Financial Times reporting this now also. http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1259571/posts


730 posted on 10/27/2004 9:18:02 PM PDT by alnick (Vote for Dubya like your life depends on it.)
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To: Arizona Carolyn
If only England hadn't joined the EU. Their hands will be tied in a lot more ways now. Putin definitely has more empathy with us than Chirac (I would think) after Beslin

Absolutely\

731 posted on 10/27/2004 9:18:15 PM PDT by maine-iac7 ( Play Bommers http://pages.sbcglobal.net/b The shift was foommer/When_The_Man_Comes_Around.html)
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To: Petronski
The image “http://www.fiftiesweb.com/tv/gomer-pyle-10040207.jpg” cannot be displayed, because it contains errors.

Surprise! Surprise! Surprise!

Heh heh.
732 posted on 10/27/2004 9:18:16 PM PDT by Vigilantcitizen (#40)
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To: alnick

There's no story there at Washington Times.


733 posted on 10/27/2004 9:18:59 PM PDT by pnz1
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To: Moose4
Just a thought about being in bed with Islamists. Assad and Syria are not Islamists anymore than hussein was. I would think they would be as afraid of the Islamist crowd as Russia.

One thing I remember is that Czarist Russia played convoluted games of intirgue both against Britain in the Northwest indian Terr. and the Ottomans. Alliances switched often, Could Putin be playing a new Great Game?

734 posted on 10/27/2004 9:19:01 PM PDT by xkaydet65
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To: Petronski

I love your dancin'...I was attacked by a poster in full panic earlier today for daring to have faith and not sharing his feeling.


735 posted on 10/27/2004 9:19:31 PM PDT by MEG33 (John Kerry has been AWOL on issues of national security for two decades)
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To: wvromania
I believe this is why Putin was called to the ranch early on....

I believe this is the meeting at the ranch where President Bush and Putin became very sociable. Wasn't this the time President Bush gave Putin the cowboy hat that he accidentally wore backwards and President Bush called him "Rutin Tutin Putin"...

I know that Putin endorsed Bush 7 days ago and I think they truly have a cordial relationship.

736 posted on 10/27/2004 9:19:43 PM PDT by glory2
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To: pbrown
Been a long time since I had some of that.
Wasn't that poor mans coffee?
Had a slight bitter taste to it if I remember.
737 posted on 10/27/2004 9:19:46 PM PDT by DaveTesla (You can fool some of the people some of the time......)
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To: eddiebear

Na zdrovya!


738 posted on 10/27/2004 9:20:28 PM PDT by Petronski (A Monday morning quarterback has never led any team to victory.)
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To: Peach; Howlin; YaYa123; nutmeg
I'm watching the re-run of Larry King with Saffire saying CBS's plan to run with the story next Sunday was scandalous because it wouldn't give the admin. time to correct the record and the NY Slimes was correct in breaking it when they did. Maureen Dowd doesn't agree and said we should be concentrating on where the 380 tons went, rather than whether the story broke on a Monday or next Sunday.

Biden asking what relevance does it have whether it was broken by NY Times or CBS and questions if the WH knew they were missing last year, why didn't he tell us. Biden and Dowd not giving an inch and if Gertz's story proves true, Biden's concern should not be losing the Secty. of State position undoubtedly promised, but another term in the Senate.

739 posted on 10/27/2004 9:20:28 PM PDT by StarFan
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To: DaveMSmith; DaveTesla; Sparky760; Petronski; The G Man
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Can you say, "LANDSLIDE"?

740 posted on 10/27/2004 9:20:39 PM PDT by bear11
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To: alnick

Thanks for the link. I think I've been to that one, but I'm not sure.


741 posted on 10/27/2004 9:20:44 PM PDT by TapTheSource
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To: Petronski
Aw, shucks fellas....

Actually, I figured the WMD part out when I logged on and read the headline.

Of COURSE Putin ran off with the VX, etc.

But don't bother telling the folks over at DU that. Remember, Bush may be a good man, but Bush is STILL Hitler in their eyes.

Be Seeing You,

Chris

742 posted on 10/27/2004 9:20:52 PM PDT by section9 (Major Motoko Kusanagi says, "Jesus is Coming. Everybody look busy...")
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To: section9
Be Seeing You,

No . Wait.

You're makiing me have to think here. Because I know there's a scenario out there, maybe yours exactly, maybe something similar.

Plus....the Putin connection. Remember the love affair of Bush and Putin? Could it be that this was the agreement both of these men made, this plan, just the two of them, two men who had the fate of the world and decided, maybe after a prayer, that this was the simplest thing of all?

This is a bit much for me right now. But I know there's waaaaaaay more to the Iraq war than we know right now.

743 posted on 10/27/2004 9:21:27 PM PDT by Fishtalk (Once a liberal and victim of all the spin. Ask me to interpret.)
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To: StarFan

I agree, StarFan. I'd love to see Biden gone. How he's survived this long is a mystery.


744 posted on 10/27/2004 9:21:53 PM PDT by Peach (The Clintons pardoned more terrorists than they ever captured or killed)
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To: glory2

All your October Surprise belong to us...


745 posted on 10/27/2004 9:21:57 PM PDT by over3Owithabrain
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To: Acrobat

Great analysis.

I think we would need a few more days for that timeline to play out. We'll see how this goes.

Late timing is tricky.
The DUI news in 2000 was about 1 week before the election.
That worked for Gore.


746 posted on 10/27/2004 9:22:18 PM PDT by edwin hubble
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To: Bosco

ROFL!!!


747 posted on 10/27/2004 9:22:26 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach (A Proud member of Free Republic ~~The New Face of the Fourth Estate since 1996.)
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To: over3Owithabrain

i don't see any of this on the news


748 posted on 10/27/2004 9:22:38 PM PDT by rlbedfor
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To: gov_bean_ counter

"Kerry and Edwards know the whereabouts of the conventional munitions as well as WMDs through their positions on the Senate Intelligence Committee. They have been banking on the secret info staying secret."


Possible but do Kerry and Edwards ever show up to any of thise meetings? Didn't Kerry miss upwards of 80% of the Intelligence meetings?

I am loving this surprise. I can't wait to hear from Putiput.


749 posted on 10/27/2004 9:22:50 PM PDT by hansel
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To: Nasher

"I think this story will be so huge that the MSM will be forced to throw Kerry under the bus"...

That is the funniest thing I have read in a long freakin time.
Astalavista, John "Fraud" Kerry..... ROFLMFAO!!!

Thanks be to God!!


750 posted on 10/27/2004 9:22:54 PM PDT by Highwayman53
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