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IRS: Churches can't pray for Bush victory
Wrld Net Daily ^ | 10-28-04 | Ron Strom

Posted on 10/27/2004 10:50:56 PM PDT by hope

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Thursday, October 28, 2004



TESTING THE FAITH
IRS: Churches can't pray for Bush victory
Ruling says tax-exempt groups prohibited from asking God to intervene


Posted: October 28, 2004
1:00 a.m. Eastern

By Ron Strom


© 2004 WorldNetDaily.com

In a letter of clarification requested by a traveling minister, the Internal Revenue Service has declared people gathered in tax-exempt churches can't pray for President Bush to win the election on Tuesday.

The ruling comes in response to a request by the Christian Defense Coalition, which is in the midst of a 15-day prayer tour through Ohio and Pennsylvania. The Rev. Patrick J. Mahoney, director of the organization, had planned to lead in prayer for a Bush victory during evening services in each town. Though he had hoped to hold the services in churches, Mahoney says he has used American Legion halls, hotels and other venues pending a clarification from the IRS.

The American Center for Law and Justice wrote the letter to the IRS on behalf of the Mahoney's group, explaining that the pastor planned to "offer prayer during the evening services in the churches he visits that God grants President Bush four more years as president and that Senator Kerry does not become president."

"This is rank censorship," Mahoney told WND. "If churches felt compelled to pray for Senator Kerry, they should be able to do that, too.

"Now we have the IRS not only limiting what can said behind a pulpit in terms of electioneering, but churches aren't even allowed to pray the dictates of their consciences."

Mahoney said he would consider legal action against the IRS, saying churches that had considered hosting the tour were unable to do so. He also said he considers his First Amendment rights to have been violated.

Reaction to the IRS ruling, Mahoney predicts, will include "massive anger" in the Christian community.

"Our organization, along with the American Center for Law and Justice, is going to make this a major issue," he said.

Mahoney considers the ruling a "much greater leap into censorship" than the prohibition on endorsing candidates from church pulpits.

"You hear people talk about the separation of church and state," he said. "This is a massive violation of the separation of church and state from the standpoint of the government intruding on the private dictates of churches."

Under IRS regulations, churches that are tax-exempt organizations cannot openly advocate for candidates for office and can only use a small percentage of their budgets on political activity.

As WorldNetDaily reported, an concerted effort is under way to get the IRS to crack down on churches that might push certain candidates or parties. In July, Americans United for Separation of Church and State, headed by Barry Lynn, filed a complaint with the IRS against Ronnie Floyd, pastor of the First Baptist Church of Springdale, Ark., accusing him of preaching a sermon promoting President Bush's re-election July 4.

Related stories:

Political snitches monitor sermons

Democrats back church IRS probe


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Ron Strom is a news editor for WorldNetDaily.com.



TOPICS: Front Page News; News/Current Events; Political Humor/Cartoons
KEYWORDS: churchandstate; churches; churchesprayer; gwb2004; irs; patmahoney; persecution; prayer
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1 posted on 10/27/2004 10:50:56 PM PDT by hope
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To: hope

Now this is scary.


2 posted on 10/27/2004 10:53:15 PM PDT by Californiajones ("The apprehension of beauty is the cure for apathy" - Thomas Aquinas)
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To: Californiajones

I had to read it twice...unbelievable!


3 posted on 10/27/2004 10:54:25 PM PDT by hope (The democrats are hellbent on destroying the electoral process.)
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To: hope

Maybe the ACLU will take their case. Ok, maybe not.


4 posted on 10/27/2004 10:55:01 PM PDT by Antonello
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To: hope
Gee, what do we do with all those black churches that invited Kerry to speak from the pulpit? Is the IRS going to pull their tax exempt status too? I think we have a BIG problem with equal protection going on here.
5 posted on 10/27/2004 10:55:36 PM PDT by Myrddin
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To: hope

The arrogance of the government can be truly staggering in scope.


6 posted on 10/27/2004 10:56:11 PM PDT by thoughtomator ("!Allahu Snackbar" - the war cry of the pajamadeen - Let's stop VOTE FRAUD NOW! Write your reps!)
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To: hope

Of course no one says a word when Democrats openly campaign in black churches.


7 posted on 10/27/2004 10:56:13 PM PDT by COEXERJ145 (The price of freedom is eternal vigilance)
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Not surprising.

Didn't you know that the only prayer allowed in churches is when black churches offer up prayers for a Kerry victory while he's preaching against Bush in their pulpit?


8 posted on 10/27/2004 10:56:20 PM PDT by WV910
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To: Antonello

This is just a glimpse of what it will be like under a Kerry presidency.


9 posted on 10/27/2004 10:56:28 PM PDT by hope (The democrats are hellbent on destroying the electoral process.)
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To: All

More reason for Bush to dump the IRS.

Interesting flipside to this though... what about all those churches where Kerry shows up to campaign? They should lose their tax exempt status for similar reasons.


10 posted on 10/27/2004 10:56:34 PM PDT by Outland (A vote for Kerry is a vote for his boss, George Soros, supervillain.)
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To: hope

This is just plain dispicable. They can't get away with this...can they?


11 posted on 10/27/2004 10:56:59 PM PDT by joedownthestreet
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To: hope

They should sue...

What part of "the free exercise thereof," is lost on the IRS.


12 posted on 10/27/2004 10:57:31 PM PDT by rwilson99 (I am a South Park Republican)
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To: joedownthestreet

Only if the people remain apathetic.


13 posted on 10/27/2004 10:58:47 PM PDT by hope (The democrats are hellbent on destroying the electoral process.)
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To: hope
I don't know. I smell BS here similar to the old, and oft repeated reports of Janet Reno giving her definition of what a "cult" was. I could be wrong, certainly it would not be the first time but I'm dubious at best.

I will withhold judgment.

14 posted on 10/27/2004 10:59:48 PM PDT by Artemis Webb
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To: hope

"In July, Americans United for Separation of Church and State, headed by Barry Lynn, filed a complaint with the IRS against Ronnie Floyd, pastor of the First Baptist Church of Springdale, Ark., accusing him of preaching a sermon promoting President Bush's re-election July 4."

All such suits have been tossed out of court summarily.


15 posted on 10/27/2004 10:59:54 PM PDT by razorbak
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To: hope

Yeah, how about those black churches?
So sick of the fact that the dems can get away with doing all the wrong things.
I bet that there are more people praying for President Bush than for the long face.


16 posted on 10/27/2004 11:00:02 PM PDT by RedRepublic
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To: garylmoore

look at this!


17 posted on 10/27/2004 11:00:09 PM PDT by hope (The democrats are hellbent on destroying the electoral process.)
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To: hope

We certainly CAN pray for Bush's re-election, and we're already doing so.

Want to challenge that prayer? Go ahead, watch the firestrom that erupts as it reaches the Supreme Court.


18 posted on 10/27/2004 11:00:24 PM PDT by Soul Seeker
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To: praise

ping-a-ling


19 posted on 10/27/2004 11:01:16 PM PDT by hope (The democrats are hellbent on destroying the electoral process.)
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To: hope

THEN CLOSE ALL THE CHURCHES

in which Kerry and/or other liberal idiot politician/traitors et al have spoken at--at length for decades!!!

THIS DOUBLE STANDARD NEEDS TO COME TO A SCREECHING HALT!

SUE THE OTHER TURKIES FOR ALL THEY ARE WORTH.


20 posted on 10/27/2004 11:01:25 PM PDT by Quix (PRAY! ENERGIZE CONSERVATIVE VOTERS! CHALLENGE REASONABLE LIBERALS W FACTS!)
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To: Soul Seeker
We certainly CAN pray for Bush's re-election, and we're already doing so. Want to challenge that prayer? Go ahead, watch the firestrom that erupts as it reaches the Supreme Court.

Firestorm, nothing! Do you wanna see a REAL Zot? ;-)

21 posted on 10/27/2004 11:02:08 PM PDT by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change without notice.)
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To: hope

JUST WATCH US!


22 posted on 10/27/2004 11:02:09 PM PDT by razorbak
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To: hope

I know of a church that has no tax exempt status. It pays taxes and the members cannot deduct their contributions.

They are beholding to no one.

For true religious freedom, this is the wave of the future.


23 posted on 10/27/2004 11:02:19 PM PDT by robroys woman
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To: hope

Who gives a flip. Ignore them. They won't actually strip the the tax exempt status for this...


24 posted on 10/27/2004 11:02:38 PM PDT by rwfromkansas (BYPASS FORCED WEB REGISTRATION! **** http://www.bugmenot.com ****)
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To: hope

The ruling comes in response to a request by the Christian Defense Coalition, which is in the midst of a 15-day prayer tour through Ohio and Pennsylvania. The Rev. Patrick J. Mahoney, director of the organization, had planned to lead in prayer for a Bush victory during evening services in each town. Though he had hoped to hold the services in churches, Mahoney says he has used American Legion halls, hotels and other venues pending a clarification from the IRS.



Screw the IRS! I'll pray all I want to for whatever I want to! I can't even believe this is a discussion!


25 posted on 10/27/2004 11:03:10 PM PDT by Just Lori (I am continually amazed.)
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To: hope

Amazing. The IRS thinks it is above the law. It's long past time to do away with the IRS.


26 posted on 10/27/2004 11:03:18 PM PDT by ArmedNReady (George Bush has wood for the democrats.)
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To: hope

In other news, Democrat-leaning black churches may still continue to pray for Bush's sudden death according to an IRS spokesperson.


27 posted on 10/27/2004 11:04:43 PM PDT by streetpreacher (Bush did not lead this country into an unjust war; Kerry led this country out of a just war.)
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To: hope

as a practical matter, the IRS wouldn't dare go after the church. If they did, they'd have to go after all the churches the democraps have been speaking at.


28 posted on 10/27/2004 11:05:02 PM PDT by connectthedots
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To: father_elijah; nickcarraway; SMEDLEYBUTLER; Siobhan; Lady In Blue; attagirl; goldenstategirl

hope you don't mind a ping over here.


29 posted on 10/27/2004 11:07:22 PM PDT by hope (The democrats are hellbent on destroying the electoral process.)
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To: hope

Drop the tax exempt BS and end the problem. Why should a church make itself beholden to the government?


30 posted on 10/27/2004 11:08:14 PM PDT by Jim Robinson
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To: hope

They can't stop us!

In fact, it makes me more determined!


31 posted on 10/27/2004 11:08:51 PM PDT by kcvl
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To: hope

By the way, I see Democrat churches don't have any such problem.


32 posted on 10/27/2004 11:09:08 PM PDT by Jim Robinson
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To: RnMomof7; Gamecock; Jean Chauvin; jboot; jude24; AZhardliner; Alex Murphy; A.J.Armitage

ping


33 posted on 10/27/2004 11:09:53 PM PDT by hope (The democrats are hellbent on destroying the electoral process.)
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To: hope

The day President Bush was sworn in in 2001, my pastor in Amarillo said, "well, we have a new President." The Place erupted with cheering and clapping. He didn't have to say anything else. He should have been able to though. Real Christians don't have to be told or even prompted this year. The evil in Kerry's eyes is obvious.


34 posted on 10/27/2004 11:10:11 PM PDT by Clump
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To: hope; Coleus; Carry_Okie; bd476; rdb3
Definitely time to get rid of the IRS!
35 posted on 10/27/2004 11:10:40 PM PDT by farmfriend ( In Essentials, Unity...In Non-Essentials, Liberty...In All Things, Charity.)
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To: hope

I thought this was a joke article LOL. That is insane.


36 posted on 10/27/2004 11:10:59 PM PDT by katdawg
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To: robroys woman
For true religious freedom, this is the wave of the future.

Indeed.

Same goes for political activism.

FR is the best example.

Screw the 'nonprofit', 'nonpartisan' charade.

37 posted on 10/27/2004 11:11:00 PM PDT by EternalVigilance (Socialism Kills...)
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To: hope
In a letter of clarification requested by a traveling minister, the Internal Revenue Service has declared people gathered in tax-exempt churches can't pray for President Bush to win the election on Tuesday.

When can we expect similar sanctions for black churches that do nothing but serve as political love fests for Bill Clinton, Al Gore and John F'n Kerry?

Oh...right. Never.

38 posted on 10/27/2004 11:12:28 PM PDT by Prime Choice (The Leftists think they can tax us into "prosperity" and regulate us into "liberty.")
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To: Jim Robinson
No they don't..

The tax exemption is really not the problem here...Besides, it's the churches who are the ones who are out there helping the downtrodden..without tax exempt donations that help would be harder to come by.

39 posted on 10/27/2004 11:12:51 PM PDT by hope (The democrats are hellbent on destroying the electoral process.)
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To: hope

Right, but Kerry can CAMPAIGN IN CHURCHES??


40 posted on 10/27/2004 11:12:55 PM PDT by elizabetty
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To: Myrddin

You seem to be forgetting one of the underlying principles of modern American society - some of us are more equal than others. Don't believe me? Just ask Her Royal Highness Sandra Day O'Connor.


41 posted on 10/27/2004 11:14:54 PM PDT by Bogolyubski
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To: connectthedots

WHERE HAVE YOU BEEN?

THE DIMRATS HAVE BEEN GETTING AWAY WITH THIS DOUBLE STANDARD FROM AT LEAST JOHNSON'S YEARS.

Sigh.


42 posted on 10/27/2004 11:15:55 PM PDT by Quix (PRAY! ENERGIZE CONSERVATIVE VOTERS! CHALLENGE REASONABLE LIBERALS W FACTS!)
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To: hope; familyop

This is going way too far. We need to start off the next session of Congress with an email and phone campaign demanding that a law be passed giving [recognizing] churches the freedom of speech.


43 posted on 10/27/2004 11:16:35 PM PDT by GeronL (FREE KERRY'S SCARY bumper sticker .......... http://www.kerrysscary.com/bumper_sticker.php)
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To: grey_whiskers

Way I look at it they have two choices-

1) Forego tax exemption and pray anyway.

2) Pray and force these people to take it to court.

Either way, we PRAY.

They can drag us away on knelt knees and clasped hands, but they aren't going to tell me when I can pray, with whom I share that prayer, on what location it is allowed nor the subject of that prayer.


44 posted on 10/27/2004 11:16:47 PM PDT by Soul Seeker
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To: hope
"without tax exempt donations..."

There's a big price for that exemption. Liberty.

45 posted on 10/27/2004 11:17:15 PM PDT by Jim Robinson
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To: Simcha7; MoJo2001

Yo! IRS! Do NOT mess with my Father! You won't like the end result....


46 posted on 10/27/2004 11:17:34 PM PDT by Bradís Gramma (PRAY PRAY PRAY PRAY PRAY PRAY PRAY and PRAY some more!!!)
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To: robroys woman
Yes that is the wave of the future. BUT the left will go after them too someday if it catches on.

I have always wished I had the money to start a church like that.

47 posted on 10/27/2004 11:18:47 PM PDT by GeronL (FREE KERRY'S SCARY bumper sticker .......... http://www.kerrysscary.com/bumper_sticker.php)
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To: hope
...churches can't pray for President Bush to win the election on Tuesday."

The implication being that they CAN pray for sKerry to win???

48 posted on 10/27/2004 11:19:24 PM PDT by intolerancewillNOTbetolerated (I suck at my current job, so PROMOTE me. - Peter-Principle Kerry)
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To: hope
They are going to tell us who we can or cannot pray for??


This stunt will backfire on these JERKS BIG TIME
49 posted on 10/27/2004 11:19:39 PM PDT by Mo1 (This Sept 10th attitude is no way to protect our country)
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To: RedRepublic

Senator "long face", he should marry Sarah Jessica Parker, both are long faced,like horses, their children would probably look like Seattle Slew. Just a little humor,sorry.


50 posted on 10/27/2004 11:19:44 PM PDT by diss-a-lib (God is a comedian, with a audience that refuses to laugh)
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