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Pre-war Satellite Pics Show Truck Activity at Al Qaqaa
NewsMax.com, Fox ^ | Oct. 28, 2004 | Carl Limbacher

Posted on 10/28/2004 8:01:08 AM PDT by Carl/NewsMax

The Pentagon is examining evidence that could further discredit a report by the New York Times that hundreds of tons of high explosives were looted by terrorists from a major Iraqi weapons facility after the U.S. invaded in March 2003.

"Senior Pentagon officials say they are analyzing some satellite images from the Al Qaqaa facility south of Baghdad from before the war," the Fox News Channel's Bret Baier reported late Wednesday.

"Apparently, they show some large truck activity at that facility, [indicating] possibly that Saddam Hussein was moving the explosives out," Baier told Fox News host Greta Van Susteren.

Photos showing a pre-war truck convoy at Al Qaqaa would comport, Baier said, with a January 2003 report by the UN's International Atomic Energy Agency revealing that 158 tons of the high explosive RDX had already gone missing from the site.

Experts say that to remove the 380 tons of high explosives reported missing from Al Qaqaa by the New York Times, it would take at least 40 trucks with a ten-ton capacity.

On Wednesday Iraq war veteran Ken Dixon, who was with the 101st Airborne division when it reached Al Qaqaa on April 10, said he noticed tracks from heavy truck tires outside the three bunkers he inspected.


TOPICS: Breaking News
KEYWORDS: alqaqaa; ammogate; hmx; napalminthemorning; prewar; rdx; sattelitephotos; trucks; wot
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1 posted on 10/28/2004 8:01:09 AM PDT by Carl/NewsMax
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To: Carl/NewsMax

I haven't seen the thread on this...

I apologize if this has been discussed ad nauseum..

Interesting if anyone can find any holes in this story or obvious fakery

http://www.kstp.com/article/stories/S3723.html?cat=1


2 posted on 10/28/2004 8:02:37 AM PDT by ReadTheFinePrint
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To: Carl/NewsMax

But there were seals! Did someone break the seals? Boy the UN will talk about this!!!!


3 posted on 10/28/2004 8:04:10 AM PDT by Conspiracy Guy (Ignorance, bigotry, envy, and gluttony are a few floor joists in the democratic platform.)
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To: Carl/NewsMax

See Kerry. See Kerry with a gun. See Kerry shoot the gun. See Kerry shoot the gun in his foot.


4 posted on 10/28/2004 8:04:50 AM PDT by smiley (Watch out Dems! I'm a William F. Buckley Conservative!!)
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To: Carl/NewsMax

More important is where the trucks stopped


6 posted on 10/28/2004 8:07:28 AM PDT by 4everontheRight (John Kerry - Serving the UN, not the US)
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To: Carl/NewsMax
There was a thread posted on FR in January of 2003 of al qaqa. The guy who posts all those "Gotta see this" threads with pictures of the war.

Here is the thread... http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/829951/posts

but the pictures are gone, probably cleared for space on the hosting server. I wonder if someone kept the pictures somewhere? The comments are still there and indicate something missing
7 posted on 10/28/2004 8:09:01 AM PDT by myself6 (Nazi = socialist , democrat=socialist , therefore democrat = Nazi)
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To: 4everontheRight

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1259806/posts

IRAQ'S WEAPONS IN SYRIA: SENIOR SYRIAN JOURNALIST


8 posted on 10/28/2004 8:09:43 AM PDT by tutstar ( <{{--->< http://ripe4change.4-all.org Violations of Florida Statutes ongoing!)
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To: Carl/NewsMax

The more I hear about a convoy heading to Syria, the more I have to smile. This was the convoy (or one of many) that many intel officials were saying was used to smuggle WMD's out of Iraq in advance of the coalition. I can forsee a mass declassification coming real soon and I honestly believe we are going to hear of WMD's in Syria. Those of us on this board have known this for a while. To think that the partisan press's attempt for last minute election engineering will ultimately lead to killing their own long held claims of "no WMDs, no justification, Bush lied" is just too damned rich.


9 posted on 10/28/2004 8:10:20 AM PDT by wasp69 (Zell Miller is a prime example that Southern Gentlemen and Statesmen still exist.)
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To: Carl/NewsMax
click the pic

10 posted on 10/28/2004 8:10:28 AM PDT by evets (God bless president George W. Bush)
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To: Conspiracy Guy

The seals are bunk. Anyone can bribe an IAEA inspector for extra seals. My understanding is the last IAEA inspection was closed (check the seals... don't open the bunkers)


11 posted on 10/28/2004 8:11:18 AM PDT by DaveMSmith (I'm not so sure it's credible to quote leading news organizations about --oh,nevermind.-GWB)
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To: Carl/NewsMax

NO SH*T??????????????????


12 posted on 10/28/2004 8:12:22 AM PDT by bandleader
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To: DaveMSmith
The seals are bunk. Anyone can bribe an IAEA inspector for extra seals.

...or just take the hinges off the doors.

13 posted on 10/28/2004 8:13:51 AM PDT by Paine in the Neck
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To: Conspiracy Guy
But there were seals! Did someone break the seals? Boy the UN will talk about this!!!!

I'm sure someone did break the seals. Some of the seals I saw on videotape the other day looked like blue plastic wire ties that any heavy duty wire cutter could easily snip.

14 posted on 10/28/2004 8:14:28 AM PDT by BigSkyFreeper (If you're for civil unions, you're for gay marriage)
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To: 4everontheRight
More important is where the trucks stopped ...and the nationality of the drivers.
15 posted on 10/28/2004 8:14:49 AM PDT by snopercod (Inflation, it's how wars are paid for.)
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To: Conspiracy Guy; DaveMSmith
"But there were seals! Did someone break the seals?"

I heard a report this morning that, yes, there were seals on the front doors, but that there were other passages to go out.

16 posted on 10/28/2004 8:15:52 AM PDT by Spunky ("Everyone has a freedom of choice, but not of consequences.")
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To: Carl/NewsMax
Several days ago, I wrote to the Editor of the NY Times criticizing them for their unjust debasement of our President.

I received a letter from them in which they planned to continue printing all facets of the explosives issues until they were resolved.

Again I wrote to them; and this time I was less than courteous to them, for I felt that again they were wrong about our President. This time there was no response.

Silence is not golden! Instead, it is a sign of guilt and lack of humility.

17 posted on 10/28/2004 8:16:44 AM PDT by GOPologist
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To: 4everontheRight

My theory is they ended up somewhere in the Bekaa Valley in Lebanon or in Syria.


18 posted on 10/28/2004 8:18:47 AM PDT by BigSkyFreeper (If you're for civil unions, you're for gay marriage)
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To: Conspiracy Guy
Aw, c'mon, how's that gonna stop anyone?!

Where's my club?!

19 posted on 10/28/2004 8:26:54 AM PDT by Hatteras
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To: Carl/NewsMax

I remember them talking about this as we prepared to go in - there was much specualation that WMD and other weapons were probably being moved into Syria for "safekeeping". How convenient for the MSM to "forget" this and build attacks based on lies...


20 posted on 10/28/2004 8:27:04 AM PDT by trebb (Ain't God good . . .)
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To: DaveMSmith

Seals are a joke.


21 posted on 10/28/2004 8:28:43 AM PDT by Conspiracy Guy (Ignorance, bigotry, envy, and gluttony are a few floor joists in the democratic platform.)
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To: BigSkyFreeper

The MSM refers to the seals as if they are fool proof. The whole thing is a joke.


22 posted on 10/28/2004 8:29:51 AM PDT by Conspiracy Guy (Ignorance, bigotry, envy, and gluttony are a few floor joists in the democratic platform.)
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To: Spunky

Seals are not Fort Knox.


23 posted on 10/28/2004 8:31:41 AM PDT by Conspiracy Guy (Ignorance, bigotry, envy, and gluttony are a few floor joists in the democratic platform.)
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To: Hatteras

Some people see a baby seal. I see a coat and gloves.


24 posted on 10/28/2004 8:32:44 AM PDT by Conspiracy Guy (Ignorance, bigotry, envy, and gluttony are a few floor joists in the democratic platform.)
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To: wasp69
Iraq was awash not in hundreds of tons of High Explosive but in thousands of tons of High Explosive. The question the media fails to ask is why is this explosive so important as compared to the thousands of tons of other explosives. This explosive RDX in the form it was stored is not a particularly good to make bombs with as it will require modification and most importantly fusing. Fusing is the reason artillery shells are the bomb of choice for the terrorist in Iraq. The fuses in the shells make them very easily to wire and explode.

Why would Saddam want to move the RDX? The answer is very simple. RDX is one of the types of explosives that can be used in making an atomic weapon of the implosion design.

Yes the RDX was there.
Yes it was removed before our troops got there.
Yes it was important to weapons systems of Mass Destruction.
I am sure ABC NBC CBS will pick up on this immediately, and also speculate as to where in the hell it went to and why."SARCASM" Repeat after me mainstream media, "ACTIVE PROGRAM PURSING THE DEVELOPEMENT OF WEAPONS OF MASS DESTRUCTION."
25 posted on 10/28/2004 8:33:34 AM PDT by cpdiii ( Oil field trash ( and proud of it) turned pharmacist.)
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To: Conspiracy Guy

I got a pocket sized multi-purpose tool that could probably cut those seals. It's called a Leatherman. I agree, the whole thing is an absolute joke.


26 posted on 10/28/2004 8:34:03 AM PDT by BigSkyFreeper (If you're for civil unions, you're for gay marriage)
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To: MercCPC
...doesn't take much more than simple division skills to be an "expert" any more, does it?

LOL. I like Newsmax's politics, but sometimes their writing skill needs a little polish.

27 posted on 10/28/2004 8:34:55 AM PDT by ozidar
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To: evets

ping


28 posted on 10/28/2004 8:36:36 AM PDT by mentor2k
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To: BigSkyFreeper

My new Leatherman is in a nice leather sheath. It is so much better than my old one.


29 posted on 10/28/2004 8:41:21 AM PDT by Conspiracy Guy (Ignorance, bigotry, envy, and gluttony are a few floor joists in the democratic platform.)
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To: Carl/NewsMax

I'm listening to Garrison talk about how this story hasn't been helping the Dems as much as they wanted it to. But they are assured that the Dems have anyone big hit piece up their sleeve. Speculating that Tom Delay will be indicted. Has anybody heard anything else?


30 posted on 10/28/2004 8:52:30 AM PDT by Samwise (If you want to understand the differences between the two parties, study the nature of their enemies)
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To: BigSkyFreeper

Yep! In fact, I think this story could backfire and get back to the issue so many of us talked about over a year ago: That Saddam not only moved these explosives out before the war...but also his WMDs. It's amazing to listen to the media's sudden concern for these missing explosives, when they had no such concerns when other people were making these same claims over a year ago.

Hell, these people ignored UNMOVIC's report earlier this year...and Paul Martin's speech (from Canada), about how Saddam's weapons were taken out before the war and were even being found as far north as the Netherlands. Only now...a week before the election, does the media begin to take an interest in this story. And they can't even get the details right.


31 posted on 10/28/2004 8:53:21 AM PDT by cwb (Only a Democrat could think that "truth" is partisan.)
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To: BigSkyFreeper; tutstar; snopercod
A while back I was watching a show on the History Channel on the Bible Code...very interesting stuff. The guy who broke one of the codes claimed that the code he read indicated that their would be WMD found in Syria in 2005 which came from Iraq. It would be found due to a war between Syria and another country.
Freaky stuff
32 posted on 10/28/2004 8:54:15 AM PDT by 4everontheRight (John Kerry - Serving the UN, not the US)
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To: myself6
BUMP!

Hoping someone saved the photos or posts anothe URL where they may be viewed. Someone who saved the original thread should be able to extract the source.

33 posted on 10/28/2004 8:57:11 AM PDT by Publius6961 (The most abundant things in the universe are hydrogen and stupidity.)
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To: Conspiracy Guy
"Seals are not Fort Knox."

I am fully aware of that.

The way I understood the news report was that if the IAEA saw the seals still intack on such and such a date really means nothing because there were other passages they could have been taken out of.

Just reporting what I heard on the news.

34 posted on 10/28/2004 9:29:23 AM PDT by Spunky ("Everyone has a freedom of choice, but not of consequences.")
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To: Carl/NewsMax
Crosslinked:

Russia Tied to Iraq's Missing Arms- what we have on Al QaQaa to date

35 posted on 10/28/2004 9:32:36 AM PDT by backhoe (Just an old Keyboard Cowboy, ridin' the Trackball into the Dawn of Information...)
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To: Spunky

I'm not referring to you. I am referring to the MSM. Sorry if I wasn't clear!


36 posted on 10/28/2004 9:36:16 AM PDT by Conspiracy Guy (Ignorance, bigotry, envy, and gluttony are a few floor joists in the democratic platform.)
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To: myself6

The poster was most likely DioGenesis
Here are his archives pages: 3-5-03 on..

http://www.cfpeople.org/military/Gotta%20See%20This%20Master.htm

al-Qaqa missiles site:

http://www.cfpeople.org/military/GOTTA%20SEE%20THIS-%203-14-03.htm


37 posted on 10/28/2004 9:40:33 AM PDT by TheKurgan
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To: ReadTheFinePrint

Thanks for the info on KSTP TV! It is nice to know ahead of time where that piece of 'news' came from, if it surfaces in the MSM. I used to get that channel on our cable out here in the boonies, but it was replaced by Fox News Channel a number of years ago..thankfully!!


38 posted on 10/28/2004 9:44:50 AM PDT by Sistyelder
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To: 4everontheRight

The Bible Code is pretty interesting but it just a myth, the Bible Code is not real.


39 posted on 10/28/2004 9:47:58 AM PDT by conserv13
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To: Carl/NewsMax
Bump!
40 posted on 10/28/2004 10:01:22 AM PDT by talleyman (A foreign leader told me on his deathbed: "Kerry is a liar - he just makes stuff up...")
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To: All

Anything further from Bret today?


41 posted on 10/28/2004 10:14:55 AM PDT by rwfromkansas (BYPASS FORCED WEB REGISTRATION! **** http://www.bugmenot.com ****)
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To: ReadTheFinePrint

I saw this crap on DU... It is not the explosives that the UN is talking about not the 370 tons... Our military is much more competent than John Kerry is giving them credit for. The bottom line is the weapons were moved before we got there and Kerry is isolating the military with this. If he wants to criticize someone he needs to start criticizing the UN. Kerry is the most dangerous man in America right now he is starting his 1971 rhetoric again and we should be expecting the anarchists to rise up and start spitting on our troops and calling them baby killers and Bush Puppets.. How ignorant can these liberals be.


42 posted on 10/28/2004 10:15:33 AM PDT by tomnbeverly (Kerry will bring the Big Dig to Washington in the form of Healthcare becasue thats what liberals do)
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To: Carl/NewsMax

Bottom line we did not go to war fast enough.... What does John Kerry say to that?


43 posted on 10/28/2004 10:16:49 AM PDT by tomnbeverly (Kerry will bring the Big Dig to Washington in the form of Healthcare becasue thats what liberals do)
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To: Carl/NewsMax

It's sick that our people have to spend half of their valuable time refuting lies put out by Kerry and Friends™ instead of fighting the war on terror, and I wish Bush and Cheney would point that out.


44 posted on 10/28/2004 10:19:46 AM PDT by DaughterOfAnIwoJimaVet (Praying for President Bush and VP Cheney. Praying for the Favre family.)
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To: BigSkyFreeper
I found this on google

IAEA inspectors check a seal on a bunker with high explosives.

Yep, my 8 y.o. pocket knife could bust that, lol.

45 posted on 10/28/2004 10:24:29 AM PDT by eyespysomething (Idealism is fine, but as it approaches reality the cost becomes prohibitive.)
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To: wasp69; All

True.

I still say that if Bush or Cheney had claimed on Sunday that there were tons and tons of NUCLEAR TRIGGERS monitored by the IAEA which disappeared just before the invasion, the left would have screamed "more WMD lies! October Surprise! dirty politics!"

But the NYT and Kerry stepped in it, big time, by publicizing the story and then having THE TRUTH turn around and bite them!!!

Tinfoil hat time: Maybe there IS something to the idea that the Clintons are trying to wreck the Kerry campaign. Did the story come from one of the many clinton people advising Kerry's campaign? LOL!

Or maybe the left is just so desperate and stupid.


46 posted on 10/28/2004 10:38:21 AM PDT by cvq3842
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To: evets

link won't boot.


47 posted on 10/28/2004 10:43:44 AM PDT by Lee'sGhost (Crom!)
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To: eyespysomething

Seals, IAEA Seals, are like any other seal. It's not to keep people out, it's to indicate tampering, evidence of entry, etc.

The seals were not used to keep Saddam out, they were used to indicate he went in.


48 posted on 10/28/2004 10:58:54 AM PDT by EBH
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To: EBH

So what's everyone saying about that? Seals - broken or not when our military got there?


49 posted on 10/28/2004 11:08:34 AM PDT by eyespysomething (Idealism is fine, but as it approaches reality the cost becomes prohibitive.)
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To: eyespysomething

IMHO, from what I've heard and read, they didn't find any seals on the bunkers. They saw locks and wires, but no seals.


50 posted on 10/28/2004 11:16:16 AM PDT by EBH
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