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Russia Denies Involvement in Iraq Weapons
AP ^ | 10/28/04 | VLADIMIR ISACHENKOV

Posted on 10/28/2004 8:13:01 AM PDT by tomahawk

Russia Denies Involvement in Iraq Weapons

1 hour, 46 minutes ago

By VLADIMIR ISACHENKOV, Associated Press Writer

MOSCOW - Russia angrily denied allegations Thursday that Russian forces had smuggled a cache of high explosives out of Iraq (news - web sites) prior to the U.S. invasion in March 2003.

Defense Ministry spokesman Vyacheslav Sedov dismissed the allegations as "absurd" and "ridiculous."

"I can state officially that the Russian Defense Ministry and its structures couldn't have been involved in the disappearance of the explosives, because all Russian military experts left Iraq when the international sanctions were introduced during the 1991 Gulf War (news - web sites)," he told The Associated Press.

The denial followed a story in The Washington Times on Thursday that quoted a high-ranking U.S. defense official alleging that Russian special forces had "almost certainly" helped spirit out the hundreds of tons of high explosives that went missing from the al-Qaqaa base. The newspaper based its report on an interview with John Shaw, the deputy U.S. undersecretary of defense for international technology security.

Two weeks ago, Iraqi officials told the U.N. International Atomic Energy Agency that 377 tons of explosives had vanished as a result of "theft and looting ... due to lack of security." The compounds, HMX and RDX, are key components in plastic explosives, which insurgents in Iraq have used in bomb attacks.

Russia' charge d'affaires in Iraq, Ilya Morgunov, also denied the report.

"I didn't hear about any weapons to be taken out," Interfax quoted him as saying. "Moreover, there was nobody to take them out, because we actually evacuated all of our personnel."

He said there had been no Russian special forces in Iraq, only civilian specialists working for foreign firms.


TOPICS: Breaking News; News/Current Events; Russia
KEYWORDS: ammogate; denial; explosives; kerrylies; qaqaagate; russia
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As expected.

We cannot pin our hopes on Al Qa-Qaa on Russia.

Rather, we should be able to establish that there were only 3 tons there, and they were likely gone before we got there.

1 posted on 10/28/2004 8:13:01 AM PDT by tomahawk
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To: tomahawk

Wow! I sure didn't see that coming.


2 posted on 10/28/2004 8:14:01 AM PDT by SmithL (Vietnam-era Vet: Still fighting Hillary's half-vast left-wing conspiracy)
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To: SmithL

Me doth think he protests too much.


3 posted on 10/28/2004 8:18:18 AM PDT by fooman (Get real with Kim Jung Mentally Ill about proliferation)
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To: SmithL

Don't ya just love it when the AP covers Kerry's ass for him?


4 posted on 10/28/2004 8:18:27 AM PDT by digger48
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To: tomahawk

let's see what Gertz has to say now.


5 posted on 10/28/2004 8:18:49 AM PDT by oceanview
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To: SmithL

Russian rogue agents disguised as "civilians" working hand in hand with french intelligence and Saddaam.

Hmm.

Plausible deniability?


6 posted on 10/28/2004 8:19:32 AM PDT by bubman
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To: digger48

have there been any statements from the russians that they did move it? I haven't seen any, so unless this story is tottally fradulent, this is their statement on it.

did you really expect Putin to say: "sure, we moved it along with the Sarin gas".


7 posted on 10/28/2004 8:20:52 AM PDT by oceanview
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To: tomahawk
Rather, we should be able to establish that there were only 3 tons there, and they were likely gone before we got there.

Bingo!

As I was saying last night, this not only reduces the problem to the absurd, its proves the Oct. 10 letter to be an out and out lie.

8 posted on 10/28/2004 8:20:55 AM PDT by eddie willers
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To: SmithL

I see a healthy cycnicism on the thread. What would any reasonable person expect them to say?


9 posted on 10/28/2004 8:20:59 AM PDT by Anti-Bubba182
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To: tomahawk
Take a look at who's at the Kremlin right now....

U.S. Deputy Secretary of State Richard Armitage (R) smiles as the head of the Russia's Security Council Igor Ivanov invites him to the table for negotiations in Moscow's Kremlin, October 28, 2004.   REUTERS/Sergei Karpukhin

Thu Oct 28,11:03 AM ET
Reuters

U.S. Deputy Secretary of State Richard Armitage (R) smiles as the head of the Russia's Security Council Igor Ivanov invites him to the table for negotiations in Moscow's Kremlin, October 28, 2004. REUTERS/Sergei Karpukhin

10 posted on 10/28/2004 8:21:11 AM PDT by OXENinFLA
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To: tomahawk
I didn't hear about any weapons to be taken out

Non-denial denial.
11 posted on 10/28/2004 8:21:22 AM PDT by aynrandfreak (If 9/11 didn't change you, you're a bad human being)
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To: tomahawk
Rather, we should be able to establish that there were only 3 tons there, and they were likely gone before we got there.

Not quite.

Its 3 tons instead of 141 tons of a specific explosive. Therefore the UN was off by 138 tons of the specific explosive.

There is no mention about the other 236 tons of other explosvies in the confidential UN memo that ABC quoted from last night.

I still think the fact that the UN can't get their numbers straight speakes volumes.

For a source go back to last nights FR post on the ABC story or go to the Drudge site and read it there.

Hope that helps.

13 posted on 10/28/2004 8:22:23 AM PDT by hawkaw
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To: tomahawk; Allan; Shermy; SmithL; fooman; oceanview; digger48
According to the article, Russian Defense Ministry spokesman Vyacheslav Sedov said:

"I can state officially that the Russian Defense Ministry and its structures couldn't have been involved in the disappearance of the explosives, because all Russian military experts left Iraq when the international sanctions were introduced during the 1991 Gulf War.

Back in April, 2003, there was a report that two retired Russian generals named Achalov and Maltsev were running Iraqi command and control. See http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/888586/posts.

14 posted on 10/28/2004 8:25:49 AM PDT by Mitchell
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To: tomahawk
"I can state officially that the Russian Defense Ministry and its structures couldn't have been involved in the disappearance of the explosives, because all Russian military experts left Iraq when the international sanctions were introduced during the 1991 Gulf War (news - web sites)," he told The Associated Press.

I would imagine that if we wanted to, we could show that statement to be flat out false.

15 posted on 10/28/2004 8:26:45 AM PDT by Pete
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To: tomahawk

In related news Hans Blix dies in mysterious shark tank accident.

16 posted on 10/28/2004 8:27:00 AM PDT by isthisnickcool (Only dummies play poker with George W. Bush.)
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To: tomahawk
no Russian special forces in Iraq, only civilian specialists working for foreign firms.

A distinction without a difference.

17 posted on 10/28/2004 8:27:27 AM PDT by Numbers Guy
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To: oceanview

How did the Russian convoy on the way to Syria get hit if the Russians weren't there?


18 posted on 10/28/2004 8:28:22 AM PDT by stocksthatgoup (Polls = Proof that when the MSM want your opinion they will give it to you.)
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To: tomahawk

Thanks for this, but as you write it is as "expected".
(Remember the Russians denied having missles in Cuba too!"

Read backhoe's reply :http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1259767/posts and the many other post about the here today, somehow there's got to be a "smoking gun surveillance tape" or something the Pentagon's got.


19 posted on 10/28/2004 8:29:12 AM PDT by focusandclarity
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To: tomahawk

This is bull. As discussed last night, 9 members of a Russian embassy convoy were hit on 4/6/03 heading to Syria. They were not evacuated... they were there.


20 posted on 10/28/2004 8:31:44 AM PDT by DaveMSmith (I'm not so sure it's credible to quote leading news organizations about --oh,nevermind.-GWB)
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To: tomahawk
Guys come on! Did any of you seriously, and I mean seriously think Russia was going to admit they they helped Iraq with these missing weapons considering the Oil-for-Food scandal?!?!?

This is Russia we're talking about -- remember that.
21 posted on 10/28/2004 8:31:51 AM PDT by MichelleWSC
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To: tomahawk
because all Russian military experts left Iraq when the international sanctions were introduced during the 1991 Gulf War (news - web sites)," he told The Associated Press.

Then who was in that caravan leaving Iraq that we accidentally hit when the war started??

22 posted on 10/28/2004 8:32:45 AM PDT by Mo1 (This Sept 10th attitude is no way to protect our country)
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To: stocksthatgoup

that was a diplomatic convoy - not the trucks moving this stuff. remember, we thought at the time Saddam might be in that convoy of cars.


23 posted on 10/28/2004 8:35:27 AM PDT by oceanview
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To: tomahawk
I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but Condi Rice was on Laura Ingraham's radio show this morning and when asked about this subject she said she hasn't seen any evidence of Russian involvement.

Either this false story or Condi is ill informed.
24 posted on 10/28/2004 8:36:46 AM PDT by McGruff
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To: tomahawk
"I can state officially that the Russian Defense Ministry and its structures couldn't have been involved in the disappearance of the explosives, because all Russian military experts left Iraq when the international sanctions were introduced during the 1991 Gulf War (news - web sites)," he told The Associated Press.

All Russian military experts....but that did not take into account the Russian soldiers who were left to clean up and shred papers..........

25 posted on 10/28/2004 8:37:29 AM PDT by yoe
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To: SmithL

Yeah, especially since most of the boys(russians) are for sale or rent.


26 posted on 10/28/2004 8:38:02 AM PDT by Jaded ((Clothes make the man. Naked people have little or no influence on society. - Mark Twain))
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To: tomahawk
Russia will never take responsibility. Too many negative implications would result from a confession. My guess would be that Putin could possibly face some domestic problems with Russian voters, especially after the school shootings. The last thing he needs is publicity that he was supplying a dangerous regime with dangerous weapons. I am hopeful, however, that the Pentagon will release the satellite images of the trucks at the munitions facility. The story is quickly collapsing in on the Kerry campaign and NYT/CBS even without the satellite images. If the images are released, however, the MSM would have to display them in their coverage.

My suspicion is that if the images were to be released, today would be the day. The unraveling of the munitions story coupled with the authenticated terror threat warning immediately preceding the final weekend of news coverage could prove devastating for the Kerry campaign.

SURPRISE!!!
27 posted on 10/28/2004 8:38:07 AM PDT by infohawk
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To: tomahawk

What did we expect them to say?

Russia, "Sure, we help old Saddam stash his weapons out of harms way and we hid his WMD's too."


28 posted on 10/28/2004 8:38:14 AM PDT by ol painless (ol' painless is out of the bag)
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To: McGruff
Either this false story or Condi is ill informed.

Karl Rove was on as well, and he didn't mention the story.

Just another dead end, I'm afraid.

29 posted on 10/28/2004 8:38:50 AM PDT by skip_intro
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To: McGruff

there is a difference between what actually happened, and the geo-political implications of admitting something like this. we are never going to get the Russians to admit to this, and the administration is never going to "out" the Russians. that doesn't mean the Russians didn't do it, it just means that no one is going to corroborate it.

this was the likely scenario to happen when Gertz broke this story - that's why no one is touching this Russian story on the domestic political front.


30 posted on 10/28/2004 8:40:29 AM PDT by oceanview
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To: tomahawk
========= RUSSIAN MISSILES FOUND IN IRAQ =========

Russian-made R-60, NATO AA-8 Aphid, air-to-air missiles were found..
The Russian-made missiles are >6 feet long. Each carries 3.5 pounds of uranium.
wrapped around a high explosive warhead (13.2-pound) making a possible "dirty bomb".


31 posted on 10/28/2004 8:41:57 AM PDT by Diogenesis (Cuius rei demonstrationem mirabilem sane detexi hanc marginis exiguitas non caperet.)
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To: skip_intro

Condi is Russia lover. Remember, they can do no wrong. Did the russians not complain when we bombed thier diplomat convoy.


32 posted on 10/28/2004 8:42:07 AM PDT by fooman (Get real with Kim Jung Mentally Ill about proliferation)
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To: skip_intro

true.

But that doesn't mean the WH can't simply say that the material wasn't there when US forces secured the facility. There is plenty of evidence for that. We don't need this Russian angle, we can do a better job refuting this attack by simplying saying the stuff was gone when we arrived.


33 posted on 10/28/2004 8:42:36 AM PDT by oceanview
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To: focusandclarity; All

Somebody knows who and what was invloved in Iraq prior to the U.S liberation. The Intel was right on. Powel said we had wrong information and intel. No way! The intel was correct...there was WMD in Iraq, but who the hell is going to say "so & so" is involved and "so and so" moved them.

This bit of info is to let the Russians know that "WE KNOW" they were in on it and that the US intel is right on the money once again. Tenent was the "scapegoat" because the CIA was correct on what was on the ground in Iraq.


34 posted on 10/28/2004 8:43:37 AM PDT by ruready4eternity (P.C. war is over! Let the carpet bombing campaign begin!)
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To: skip_intro

Condi is a Russia expert. She won't comment before the official investigation. The Gertz article offsets the NYT article.


35 posted on 10/28/2004 8:44:31 AM PDT by DaveMSmith (I'm not so sure it's credible to quote leading news organizations about --oh,nevermind.-GWB)
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To: tomahawk

Is Pootie Poot going to comment on this himself?


36 posted on 10/28/2004 8:46:12 AM PDT by gopwinsin04
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To: ruready4eternity

Exactly. When GWB says that what was accomplished in his administration will be written by historians in 50 years, he isn't kidding.


37 posted on 10/28/2004 8:47:06 AM PDT by DaveMSmith (I'm not so sure it's credible to quote leading news organizations about --oh,nevermind.-GWB)
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To: oceanview
But that doesn't mean the WH can't simply say that the material wasn't there when US forces secured the facility

I agree with you, but the WH isn't saying that. They're not saying anything except "we don't know".

I keep hoping for something stronger.

38 posted on 10/28/2004 8:48:10 AM PDT by skip_intro
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To: DaveMSmith
The Gertz article offsets the NYT article

I don't know about that. A lot of the Joe Six Packs out there do not even know there is a Washington Times and do not listen to Conservative radio.

What they will here is the MSM spin on the Times piece such as what I just read in the AP story.

I think that NBC and now ABC bringing up there points along with the Pentagon's claim of it being almost impossible to get a convoy of trucks out of the site undetected and of course BC04 speaking about it will help defang the story the most.

39 posted on 10/28/2004 8:49:21 AM PDT by hawkaw
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To: tomahawk

What about the satelite photos.

Do you think the Pentagon will release them?

Have you all noticed that Kerry's mouthpieces are spinning the rush into war syndrome issue and attaching it to the weapons disappearance?

40 posted on 10/28/2004 8:51:08 AM PDT by crushelits
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To: skip_intro; Peach

same here. many of us are worried about this story, the lack of response. most freepers are running around saying this story is the "death knell" for Kerry. I don't see it, I turn on the MSM, and we are losing the spin on this story because our side has failed to make a clear statement. instead, we are talking about "opening investigations". Condi was weak on Hannity yesterday, even though you could hear Hannity trying to get her to make a simple statement that the material was not there when US forces arrived. Same thing with Rudy this AM on the Today show.


41 posted on 10/28/2004 8:53:23 AM PDT by oceanview
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To: McGruff

This administration will be very careful before they throw Russia in front of the train. Patience.


42 posted on 10/28/2004 8:54:50 AM PDT by sarasota
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To: DaveMSmith; All

It will be written! And the half is not even told. The CIA have been there for "years" inside Iraq by all means of "intel", moles, double agents, bussiness partners, you k=name it. The US knows whos hands have been in the cookie jar what leaders of nations are "dirty". This situation now has the potential to blow up . Its one thing to be trade partners with another nation, but this WMD is the very thing that Putin is trying to detach himself from. If this story does'nt go away I believe some heads will roll from the Kremlin down for this "goof up".

George Tenent wanted to "name names" to prove we knew who and what Iraq had and who was invloved . Did we want stronger and more accurate Intel after 911? Thats what they gave us... but some may have thought that would bring us to the brink of WW3 to name the players. SO we Just liberate Iraq and keep the wolrd in one piece.


43 posted on 10/28/2004 8:58:46 AM PDT by ruready4eternity (P.C. war is over! Let the carpet bombing campaign begin!)
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To: oceanview
From the onset of this campaign, I've been disgusted with the lack of Republican instant reaction to lies and attacks as well as the general all-around RNC and administration wimpiness is countering the Kerry/Dem continous onslaughts.

It's all too reminiscent of the senior Bush/Clinton campaign.

If there's a Republican campaign war room, it must be in outer Iraq somewhere.

Leni

44 posted on 10/28/2004 9:01:21 AM PDT by MinuteGal
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To: OXENinFLA

Vee don't know about any "How do you say,EXPOLSIVES?" Although I could suggest some wonderful Vodka some Caviar and a BEEUUUTIFUL GIIRRLLL that former officials of your government were fond of. A Sexaphone player from your government made her a very rich woman.


45 posted on 10/28/2004 9:01:59 AM PDT by KoneZone (Clinton could get the Strait poop on this one. Ha HA HA!)
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To: tomahawk
I think it is possible that the Russian government could be involved without Putin and other high level official's knowledge (at least, at the time).

That type of thing has been known (in the past) to happen here in the U.S.

46 posted on 10/28/2004 9:02:28 AM PDT by freestyle
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To: tomahawk

The Russians also said there weren't any missiles in Cuba, too.


47 posted on 10/28/2004 9:03:46 AM PDT by jimbo123
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To: sarasota

Patience? the election is Tuesday.


48 posted on 10/28/2004 9:03:57 AM PDT by oceanview
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To: MinuteGal

By VLADIMIR ISACHENKOV, Associated Press Writer


49 posted on 10/28/2004 9:05:04 AM PDT by jimbo123
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To: sarasota
This administration will be very careful before they throw Russia in front of the train. Patience.

Patience? There are three news days left before the election (Saturday doesn't count). No one expects the administration to unload on Russia. They could, at least, try to make a stronger case that the weapons were missing when the troops arrived.

Kerry and the media have pinned there remaining election strategy on this story. It needs to be responded to vigorously.

50 posted on 10/28/2004 9:05:07 AM PDT by skip_intro
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