Skip to comments.Russia Denies Involvement in Iraq Weapons
Posted on 10/28/2004 8:13:01 AM PDT by tomahawk
Russia Denies Involvement in Iraq Weapons
1 hour, 46 minutes ago
By VLADIMIR ISACHENKOV, Associated Press Writer
MOSCOW - Russia angrily denied allegations Thursday that Russian forces had smuggled a cache of high explosives out of Iraq (news - web sites) prior to the U.S. invasion in March 2003.
Defense Ministry spokesman Vyacheslav Sedov dismissed the allegations as "absurd" and "ridiculous."
"I can state officially that the Russian Defense Ministry and its structures couldn't have been involved in the disappearance of the explosives, because all Russian military experts left Iraq when the international sanctions were introduced during the 1991 Gulf War (news - web sites)," he told The Associated Press.
The denial followed a story in The Washington Times on Thursday that quoted a high-ranking U.S. defense official alleging that Russian special forces had "almost certainly" helped spirit out the hundreds of tons of high explosives that went missing from the al-Qaqaa base. The newspaper based its report on an interview with John Shaw, the deputy U.S. undersecretary of defense for international technology security.
Two weeks ago, Iraqi officials told the U.N. International Atomic Energy Agency that 377 tons of explosives had vanished as a result of "theft and looting ... due to lack of security." The compounds, HMX and RDX, are key components in plastic explosives, which insurgents in Iraq have used in bomb attacks.
Russia' charge d'affaires in Iraq, Ilya Morgunov, also denied the report.
"I didn't hear about any weapons to be taken out," Interfax quoted him as saying. "Moreover, there was nobody to take them out, because we actually evacuated all of our personnel."
He said there had been no Russian special forces in Iraq, only civilian specialists working for foreign firms.
We cannot pin our hopes on Al Qa-Qaa on Russia.
Rather, we should be able to establish that there were only 3 tons there, and they were likely gone before we got there.
Wow! I sure didn't see that coming.
Me doth think he protests too much.
Don't ya just love it when the AP covers Kerry's ass for him?
let's see what Gertz has to say now.
Russian rogue agents disguised as "civilians" working hand in hand with french intelligence and Saddaam.
have there been any statements from the russians that they did move it? I haven't seen any, so unless this story is tottally fradulent, this is their statement on it.
did you really expect Putin to say: "sure, we moved it along with the Sarin gas".
As I was saying last night, this not only reduces the problem to the absurd, its proves the Oct. 10 letter to be an out and out lie.
I see a healthy cycnicism on the thread. What would any reasonable person expect them to say?
U.S. Deputy Secretary of State Richard Armitage (R) smiles as the head of the Russia's Security Council Igor Ivanov invites him to the table for negotiations in Moscow's Kremlin, October 28, 2004. REUTERS/Sergei Karpukhin
Its 3 tons instead of 141 tons of a specific explosive. Therefore the UN was off by 138 tons of the specific explosive.
There is no mention about the other 236 tons of other explosvies in the confidential UN memo that ABC quoted from last night.
I still think the fact that the UN can't get their numbers straight speakes volumes.
For a source go back to last nights FR post on the ABC story or go to the Drudge site and read it there.
Hope that helps.
"I can state officially that the Russian Defense Ministry and its structures couldn't have been involved in the disappearance of the explosives, because all Russian military experts left Iraq when the international sanctions were introduced during the 1991 Gulf War.
Back in April, 2003, there was a report that two retired Russian generals named Achalov and Maltsev were running Iraqi command and control. See http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/888586/posts.
I would imagine that if we wanted to, we could show that statement to be flat out false.
In related news Hans Blix dies in mysterious shark tank accident.
A distinction without a difference.
How did the Russian convoy on the way to Syria get hit if the Russians weren't there?
Thanks for this, but as you write it is as "expected".
(Remember the Russians denied having missles in Cuba too!"
Read backhoe's reply :http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1259767/posts and the many other post about the here today, somehow there's got to be a "smoking gun surveillance tape" or something the Pentagon's got.
This is bull. As discussed last night, 9 members of a Russian embassy convoy were hit on 4/6/03 heading to Syria. They were not evacuated... they were there.
Then who was in that caravan leaving Iraq that we accidentally hit when the war started??
that was a diplomatic convoy - not the trucks moving this stuff. remember, we thought at the time Saddam might be in that convoy of cars.
All Russian military experts....but that did not take into account the Russian soldiers who were left to clean up and shred papers..........
Yeah, especially since most of the boys(russians) are for sale or rent.
What did we expect them to say?
Russia, "Sure, we help old Saddam stash his weapons out of harms way and we hid his WMD's too."
Karl Rove was on as well, and he didn't mention the story.
Just another dead end, I'm afraid.
there is a difference between what actually happened, and the geo-political implications of admitting something like this. we are never going to get the Russians to admit to this, and the administration is never going to "out" the Russians. that doesn't mean the Russians didn't do it, it just means that no one is going to corroborate it.
this was the likely scenario to happen when Gertz broke this story - that's why no one is touching this Russian story on the domestic political front.
Russian-made R-60, NATO AA-8 Aphid, air-to-air missiles were found..
The Russian-made missiles are >6 feet long. Each carries 3.5 pounds of uranium.
wrapped around a high explosive warhead (13.2-pound) making a possible "dirty bomb".
Condi is Russia lover. Remember, they can do no wrong. Did the russians not complain when we bombed thier diplomat convoy.
But that doesn't mean the WH can't simply say that the material wasn't there when US forces secured the facility. There is plenty of evidence for that. We don't need this Russian angle, we can do a better job refuting this attack by simplying saying the stuff was gone when we arrived.
Somebody knows who and what was invloved in Iraq prior to the U.S liberation. The Intel was right on. Powel said we had wrong information and intel. No way! The intel was correct...there was WMD in Iraq, but who the hell is going to say "so & so" is involved and "so and so" moved them.
This bit of info is to let the Russians know that "WE KNOW" they were in on it and that the US intel is right on the money once again. Tenent was the "scapegoat" because the CIA was correct on what was on the ground in Iraq.
Condi is a Russia expert. She won't comment before the official investigation. The Gertz article offsets the NYT article.
Is Pootie Poot going to comment on this himself?
Exactly. When GWB says that what was accomplished in his administration will be written by historians in 50 years, he isn't kidding.
I agree with you, but the WH isn't saying that. They're not saying anything except "we don't know".
I keep hoping for something stronger.
I don't know about that. A lot of the Joe Six Packs out there do not even know there is a Washington Times and do not listen to Conservative radio.
What they will here is the MSM spin on the Times piece such as what I just read in the AP story.
I think that NBC and now ABC bringing up there points along with the Pentagon's claim of it being almost impossible to get a convoy of trucks out of the site undetected and of course BC04 speaking about it will help defang the story the most.
Have you all noticed that Kerry's mouthpieces are spinning the rush into war syndrome issue and attaching it to the weapons disappearance?
same here. many of us are worried about this story, the lack of response. most freepers are running around saying this story is the "death knell" for Kerry. I don't see it, I turn on the MSM, and we are losing the spin on this story because our side has failed to make a clear statement. instead, we are talking about "opening investigations". Condi was weak on Hannity yesterday, even though you could hear Hannity trying to get her to make a simple statement that the material was not there when US forces arrived. Same thing with Rudy this AM on the Today show.
This administration will be very careful before they throw Russia in front of the train. Patience.
It will be written! And the half is not even told. The CIA have been there for "years" inside Iraq by all means of "intel", moles, double agents, bussiness partners, you k=name it. The US knows whos hands have been in the cookie jar what leaders of nations are "dirty". This situation now has the potential to blow up . Its one thing to be trade partners with another nation, but this WMD is the very thing that Putin is trying to detach himself from. If this story does'nt go away I believe some heads will roll from the Kremlin down for this "goof up".
George Tenent wanted to "name names" to prove we knew who and what Iraq had and who was invloved . Did we want stronger and more accurate Intel after 911? Thats what they gave us... but some may have thought that would bring us to the brink of WW3 to name the players. SO we Just liberate Iraq and keep the wolrd in one piece.
It's all too reminiscent of the senior Bush/Clinton campaign.
If there's a Republican campaign war room, it must be in outer Iraq somewhere.
Vee don't know about any "How do you say,EXPOLSIVES?" Although I could suggest some wonderful Vodka some Caviar and a BEEUUUTIFUL GIIRRLLL that former officials of your government were fond of. A Sexaphone player from your government made her a very rich woman.
That type of thing has been known (in the past) to happen here in the U.S.
The Russians also said there weren't any missiles in Cuba, too.
Patience? the election is Tuesday.
By VLADIMIR ISACHENKOV, Associated Press Writer
Patience? There are three news days left before the election (Saturday doesn't count). No one expects the administration to unload on Russia. They could, at least, try to make a stronger case that the weapons were missing when the troops arrived.
Kerry and the media have pinned there remaining election strategy on this story. It needs to be responded to vigorously.