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E-mail to Sean Hannity re Dishonorable Discharge
Swiftvets ^

Posted on 10/28/2004 11:17:27 AM PDT by tazannie

Thursday, October 28, 2004 John Kerry's Dishonorable Discharge Through a very reliable source, I received a copy of the following e-mail to Sean Hannity asking his help in exposing the truth about John Kerry's discharge papers fromteh US Navy. The author is a retired former Navy lawyer and he references the former personal lawyer to then Secretary of the Navy J. William Middleton


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KEYWORDS: kerry; kerrydischarge; kerrylies; lurch; militaryrecord
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unfortunatly nothing about documentation, but who knows?

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1 posted on 10/28/2004 11:17:27 AM PDT by tazannie
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To: tazannie
We are positive that John Kerry was one of those dishonorably dismissed from the Navy for collaborating with the Viet Cong, after he was released from active duty but still in the Navy, and for a totally unauthorized trip to Hanoi. He later got an "honorable" separation in 1978, some 12 years after joining the Navy, under President Carter's "Amnesty Program" for draft dodgers, deserters, and other malcontents who fled to Canada and Holland, among other places, to avoid military service to our country.

WOW...now that's interesting.

2 posted on 10/28/2004 11:23:33 AM PDT by Clint N. Suhks
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To: Clint N. Suhks
If true, I sure hope this gets legs.

BTTT

3 posted on 10/28/2004 11:26:05 AM PDT by paulcissa (Only YOU can prevent liberalism.)
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To: tazannie

How appropriate. Thursday before 200 election Bush hit by allegations contained in sealed Court records. Lets hope Kerry gets hit the same way on the same day.


4 posted on 10/28/2004 11:27:44 AM PDT by tort_feasor (www.swiftvets.com)
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To: paulcissa

Give it legs people. Start emailing Newscasters, friends, and others.


5 posted on 10/28/2004 11:28:13 AM PDT by Jay777
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To: paulcissa

I suggest everyone send multiple copies to Sean and Drudge and other media outlets esp. FOX.


6 posted on 10/28/2004 11:28:15 AM PDT by 1smallVoice (Clinton brought us Bush)
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To: 1smallVoice

I also suggest this. Even without documents...this rumor alone on the MSM or even talk radio will do damage. Just for the fact that it is highly plausible, and he won't release his military records.


7 posted on 10/28/2004 11:29:54 AM PDT by Jay777
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To: paulcissa

This has been hinted on in this forum for months now. I for one, still cannot understand why John Kerry has not been asked point blank about this. Wouldn't this be part of the public record during the Carter administration regarding his amnesty program for draft dodgers?

We have roughly about 72 hours to pursue this story. I think it is the single most important story because the American people should know whether or not one of the candidates for President did or did not receive an honorable discharge from, in this case, it would be the naval reserves.

nick


8 posted on 10/28/2004 11:30:02 AM PDT by nikos1121
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To: tazannie

BUMP


9 posted on 10/28/2004 11:30:29 AM PDT by PilloryHillary (John Kerry: Still a traitor after 33 years! johnfkerrysucks.com)
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To: paulcissa
He later got an "honorable" separation in 1978, some 12 years after joining the Navy, under President Carter's "Amnesty Program" for draft dodgers

I meant to highlight this.

10 posted on 10/28/2004 11:30:52 AM PDT by Clint N. Suhks
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To: paulcissa

To All...if there is any way to trace it through the
retired Officer, Hannity will get the job done! He'd
love to be the one to blast Kerry out of the water.


11 posted on 10/28/2004 11:31:22 AM PDT by Grendel9
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To: tazannie

http://conservativevoice.blogspot.com/


12 posted on 10/28/2004 11:31:28 AM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: nikos1121

Pursue, research, spread the word!


13 posted on 10/28/2004 11:31:30 AM PDT by Jay777
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To: tazannie

This is going nowhere without publically accessable documantion from an official source, or perhaps the testimony of several officers who actually ruled on the discharge.


14 posted on 10/28/2004 11:31:54 AM PDT by js1138 (D*mn, I Missed!)
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To: tazannie
As much as I abhor John Kerry and all he stands for, I have to date seen nothing to indicate that he has received a dishonorable discharge. I have personally never heard of one issued without benefit of a general court martial, which would be in the public record.

If someone has any documentation to the effect that Kerry has received any discharge other than honorable, I would like very much to see it. Until then, I put this in the same category as the missing explosive story...

15 posted on 10/28/2004 11:32:06 AM PDT by MACVSOG68
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To: tort_feasor

What allegations??


16 posted on 10/28/2004 11:33:14 AM PDT by Churchillspirit
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To: All

I think there is much out there. Look at this link:

http://www.mlive.com/forums/kalamazoo/index.ssf?artid=16256

nick


17 posted on 10/28/2004 11:33:18 AM PDT by nikos1121
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To: nikos1121

My wife is a Vietnam Era Vet. She states that she received her Honorable Discharge contemporaneously at the end of her service. She also states any person worth anyting in the military values this very highly. WHY Senator Skerry don't you sign form 180.


18 posted on 10/28/2004 11:34:09 AM PDT by tort_feasor (www.swiftvets.com)
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To: MACVSOG68
Truthfulness and accuracy are irrelevant. It's the seriousness of the accusation that merits a response...
19 posted on 10/28/2004 11:35:25 AM PDT by Visioneer
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To: Churchillspirit

DUI story was based on Court records a RAT lawyer stole that had been sealed by the Court near Kennebunkport.


20 posted on 10/28/2004 11:35:51 AM PDT by tort_feasor (www.swiftvets.com)
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To: Clint N. Suhks; tazannie

> He later got an "honorable" separation in 1978,
> some 12 years after joining the Navy, under
> President Carter's "Amnesty Program" ...

Don't be too surprised if it turns out to have
been under Ford.

But yes, the odds that Kerry's closet contains
a less-than-honorable discharge are well above zero.


21 posted on 10/28/2004 11:35:54 AM PDT by Boundless (Was your voter registration sabotaged by ACORN? Don't find out Nov. 2. Vote early.)
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To: tazannie

Dang! We need sKerry to release his military file. This is explosive. Have forwarded to everyone in my email address book.


22 posted on 10/28/2004 11:36:05 AM PDT by lilylangtree (Veni, Vidi, Vici)
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To: tazannie

OK, how is the best way to send it? Full story or the link to it?


23 posted on 10/28/2004 11:36:08 AM PDT by TexasTaysor
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To: nikos1121
Wouldn't this be part of the public record during the Carter administration regarding his amnesty program for draft dodgers?

Silly you. The demonrats are not subject to the same laws we ordinary people are. Moreover, demonrats control the bureauacy even during a Republican administration. Rank-and-file government employees are overwhelmingly demonrats because they know government and their paychecks grow under demonrat administrations.

All it would take is a small group of dedicated demonrat employees at the lowest or mid-level management levels to effectively supress any documents damaging to the traitor sKerry.

24 posted on 10/28/2004 11:36:52 AM PDT by Auntie Dem (Hey! Hey! Ho! Ho! Terrorist lovers gotta go!)
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To: Visioneer

The FR pursued this a bit back in September.

(See http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1207871/posts )

Kerry reported that his pay records etc were lost, but it makes sense that if was given a dishonorable discharge his pay would have been revoked.

Secondly, consider this, if Kerry had an honorable discharge from the reserves, these doucments would be forthcoming.

Also, I cannot believe that there is not one person working in the Defense Dept all these months who has not casually peeked at the 100 or so pages of Kerry documents there, that have not been released.

nick


25 posted on 10/28/2004 11:39:09 AM PDT by nikos1121
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To: paulcissa

One wonders if there's the equivalent of a Daniel Ellsberg in Naval Records? Such a leak without JFK2's Standard Form 180 release would cost someone their career, especially since they must be sure they're the actual papers -- and not from the same (forged) source as Dan Rather's.

We also want to know who wrote the disputed "after action" reports.

There must be some reason why the Bush campaign didn't make a bigger issue out of JFK2 not signing his SF-180? If this comes out -- it had better be incontrovertible.


26 posted on 10/28/2004 11:42:44 AM PDT by kmm526161
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To: tazannie

I have wondered why some of the swiftvets haven't/didn't mention this, some of them were his officers, etc. Why hasn't the officer who signed/filed/whatever the original discharge come forward?


27 posted on 10/28/2004 11:43:09 AM PDT by TexasTaysor
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To: 1smallVoice

bttt


28 posted on 10/28/2004 11:44:16 AM PDT by Dante3
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To: tazannie
He was dishonorably discharge and lots of people know it. Gerald Ford Probably knows it, Jimmy Carter Knows it, Bill Clinton sure as hell knows it (he probably pardoned Kerry on his last day in office!), John Warner probably knows, John McCain probably knows it. These Political Ideologue are cowards and will not risk their political career over this. All we can hope for is that someone who is BRAVE and Loves this Country knows about it. And if we are RELLY lucky, Karl Rove Knows about it.
29 posted on 10/28/2004 11:45:55 AM PDT by elizabetty
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To: kmm526161

This is an excerpt from the article I source, (see:
http://www.mlive.com/forums/kalamazoo/index.ssf?artid=16256 )

"There is one odd coincidence that gives some weight to the possibility that Mr. Kerry was dishonorably discharged. Mr. Kerry has claimed that he lost his medal certificates and that is why he asked that they be reissued. But when a dishonorable discharge is issued, all pay benefits, and allowances, and all medals and honors are revoked as well. And five months after Mr. Kerry joined the U.S. Senate in 1985, on one single day, June 4, all of Mr. Kerry's medals were reissued."

I think this is most likely very real. We should DEMAND THROUGH THE VARIOUS MEDIA OUTLETS THAT IN THE CLOSING DAYS OF THIS CAMPAIGN KERRY ADDRESSES THIS ALLEGATION.

MR. KERRY, DID YOU OR DID YOU NOT, OBTAIN AN HONORABLE DISCHARGE FROM THE NAVAL RESERVES? WHERE IS IT?

nick


30 posted on 10/28/2004 11:46:18 AM PDT by nikos1121
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To: nikos1121

There is something BAD in them there Records or they would have been released long ago.

They are the KEY to sKerry's undoing!!!!


31 posted on 10/28/2004 11:46:53 AM PDT by OldSgt. (USMC, Nam Vet, HMM-165)
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To: MACVSOG68
I agree that Kerry would not have received a dishonorable without a GCM. However, the Navy has a little known procedure for "bottom blowing" nonperforming officers. It is in some OPNAVINST whose number I do not have at hand but could look up.

Basically, they convene a board of 3 officers, 1 CAPT others the others CDR or above and 1 must be from the officers warfare community (e.g. Airedales can't decide on bubble-heads alone).

They hear the facts and can get rid of an officer for such things as "Failure to maintain standards of decorum." They can assign a Honorable, General under honorable conditions and General other than honorable conditions discharge. The proceedings are not public and not disclosed on DD-214N.

However, if the decision was appealed to the Board for Correction of Naval Records or some other board the paperwork would exist in the file.

This would account for the discharge cover letter that references a "board of officers," the date of the discharge and the fact that he will absolutely not release 100+ pages of his file.

32 posted on 10/28/2004 11:48:23 AM PDT by atomic_dog
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To: OldSgt.

ping


33 posted on 10/28/2004 11:50:10 AM PDT by wildcatf4f3 (out of the sun)
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To: TexasTaysor

YW: "I have wondered why some of the swiftvets haven't/didn't mention this, some of them were his officers, etc. Why hasn't the officer who signed/filed/whatever the original discharge come forward?"

Perhaps the person is no longer alive. And if they are alive perhaps they out of honor simply feel they have no right to devulge such information. Surely, there are rules of conduct Navy officers and enlisted men/women must adhere to. Who knows.


34 posted on 10/28/2004 11:50:39 AM PDT by Marine_Uncle (.)
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To: tazannie
From the blog: As much as I would like this to be true, I don't see how Carter's amnesty would have gotten Jean Le Kerre off the hook for treating with the enemy. The Carter amnesty only had to do with those who violated the Selective Service (draft) laws. See for yourself: http://www.archives.gov/federal_register/codification/proclamations/04483.html
35 posted on 10/28/2004 11:50:42 AM PDT by dimkicker
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To: TexasTaysor
The swiftvets weren't around sKerry at the time of going to Paris and such. Would not have been around when possible bad discharge was issued.
36 posted on 10/28/2004 11:51:00 AM PDT by OldSgt. (USMC, Nam Vet, HMM-165)
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Let's keep this line going. Someone restart it periodically over the next 24 hours, as I think this is the single most important issue still unresolved about Kerry's military record.

nick


37 posted on 10/28/2004 11:51:27 AM PDT by nikos1121
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To: MACVSOG68
"If someone has any documentation to the effect that Kerry has received any discharge other than honorable, I would like very much to see it. Until then, I put this in the same category as the missing explosive story..."

Sanity! Yes, I would like to believe this about him but wanting it does not make it true. We have rightly roasted the media, UN, DNC about poorly reported, fabricated stories, lets not be party to the same witch hunt.

38 posted on 10/28/2004 11:51:44 AM PDT by Wurlitzer (I have the biggest organ in my town {;o))
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To: OldSgt.

"They are the KEY to sKerry's undoing!!!!"

I agree, but we are running out of time. All I know is it's the last Thursday in October, and I was hoping for our surprise. Come on already!!!


39 posted on 10/28/2004 11:52:39 AM PDT by rampage8
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To: tazannie

unfortunatly nothing about documentation

When has that stopped a story??.. Oh yeah, when it would hurt Kerry.


40 posted on 10/28/2004 11:53:30 AM PDT by Bearshouse
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To: Clint N. Suhks

Were is the "Linda Tripp" patriot in the Pentagon who will send out the Kerry records this Sunday? Would any major media dare to print these papers? (I doubt it)Where is Danny Ellsberg when America needs him? Kerry could have signed the Form 180 and put all this speculation to rest.


41 posted on 10/28/2004 11:54:12 AM PDT by jonathan-swift2000 (Yes respond to WMD with our nukes.)
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To: OldSgt.

That's true.....but I saw an interview of his officer who told he and other's on the boat told Kerry to "leave Viet Nam" and said the next morning his bags were pack and he left. That officer had to turn in papers as to why Kerry was told to leave and would he not have gotten some kind of follow up?


42 posted on 10/28/2004 11:54:24 AM PDT by TexasTaysor
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To: ImaTexan

ping


43 posted on 10/28/2004 11:56:47 AM PDT by bjcintennessee (Don't Sweat the Small Stuff)
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To: Wurlitzer

FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE                                                   JANUARY 21, 1977


Office of the White House Press Secretary
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THE WHITE HOUSE

GRANTING PARDON FOR VIOLATIONS
OF THE SELECTIVE SERVICE ACT,
AUGUST 4, 1964 TO MARCH 28, 1973

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BY THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA
A PROCLAMATION

Acting pursuant to the grant of authority in Article II, Section 2, of the Constitution of the United States, I, Jimmy Carter, President of the United States, do hereby grant a full, complete and unconditional pardon to: (1) all persons who may have committed any offense between August 4, 1964 and March 28, 1973 in violation of the Military Selective Service Act or any rule or regulation promulgated thereunder; and (2) all persons heretofore convicted, irrespective of the date of conviction, of any offense committed between August 4, 1964 and March 28, 1973 in violation of the Military Selective Service Act, or any rule or regulation promulgated thereunder, restoring to them full political, civil and other rights.

This pardon does not apply to the following who are specifically excluded therefrom:

(1) All persons convicted of or who may have committed any offense in violation of the Military Selective Service Act, or any rule or regulation promulgated thereunder, involving force or violence; and

(2) All persons convicted of or who may have committed any offense in violation of the Military Selective Service Act, or any rule or regulation promulgated thereunder, in connection with duties or responsibilities arising out of employment as agents, officers or employees of the Military Selective Service system.

IN WITNESS WHEREOF, I have hereunto set my hand this 21st day of January, in the year of our Lord nineteen
hundred and seventy-seven, and of the Independence of the United States of America the two hundred and first.

JIMMY CARTER          

#   #   #

Executive Order

 

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As I said, there is nothing in the Carter amnesty that would have affected Kerry one way or the other. This is sloppy wishful thinking, I'm afraid.

44 posted on 10/28/2004 11:57:42 AM PDT by dimkicker
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To: Mears

bttt


45 posted on 10/28/2004 11:58:01 AM PDT by Mears
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To: tazannie

This story has been bandied about here for quite some time. Failing any documentation, it simply doesn't add up as something that will affect the election.

However, if someone like Hannity runs with it, and it's disproven before the election, it could harm Bush.

Either someone puts up the documentation or this should be dropped. It has the potential to do exactly the opposite of what you'd like it to do.

I've seen no credible documentation, and I've been following every thread.


46 posted on 10/28/2004 11:58:55 AM PDT by MineralMan (godless atheist)
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To: Clint N. Suhks

Hey, someone out there can give this legs. It sounds like the honorable men mentioned in the letter may have been a part of/or saw papers relating to the board that OK'd Kerry's discharge change. There have to be those out there who are better than I am at researching. Start running those names and see if anyone can find out if they exist, if their story is plausible and where they can be located. Give it legs, go.


47 posted on 10/28/2004 11:59:08 AM PDT by gulf1609
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To: Marine_Uncle
YW: "I have wondered why some of the swiftvets haven't/didn't mention this, some of them were his officers, etc.

I doubt Kerry's Less Than Honorable Discharge from the Naval Reserves had anything to do with what he did while on the Swift Boats so many Swift Vets may not know any more than we do.

It is far more likely Kerry's Less Than Honorable Discharge resulted from the Anti-American (Treasonous) things he did after he came home.

48 posted on 10/28/2004 11:59:43 AM PDT by An American In Dairyland (Have you forgotten?)
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To: tazannie

It's becoming clear to me how much of a gentleman Bush is. Every time he's challenged about his service, he politely reminds everyone he was honorably discharged. I now realize that this is a subtle reference to a distinction between his service and that of John Kerry's - except, of course, Bush is too much of a gentleman to say it outright.


49 posted on 10/28/2004 12:01:13 PM PDT by Laserbrain
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To: An American In Dairyland

YW: "I have wondered why some of the swiftvets haven't/didn't mention this, some of them were his officers, etc.
I doubt Kerry's Less Than Honorable Discharge from the Naval Reserves had anything to do with what he did while on the Swift Boats so many Swift Vets may not know any more than we do.

It is far more likely Kerry's Less Than Honorable Discharge resulted from the Anti-American (Treasonous) things he did after he came home.
__________________________________________


I did not write any of the above. You must have me confused with someone else's replie. That's ok. Hard to keep track at what we are responding to sometimes.


50 posted on 10/28/2004 12:04:55 PM PDT by Marine_Uncle (.)
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