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***THE AL QAQAA PHOTOS SHOW TRUCKS PRIOR TO U.S. TROOPS ARRIVAL - PHOTO HERE***
WMCA - New York ^ | 10.29.2004

Posted on 10/29/2004 5:50:35 AM PDT by KMC1

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PHOTOS CONFIRM - LARGE TRUCKS AT AL QAQAA: It is the worst of all possibilities for John Kerry. While he is busy blaming the troops for the missing weapons that were never there on their watch. While he is accusing them of being incompetent when it came to securing weapons of mass destruction. While he spit in their face the way he did to the Prisoners of War after he returned from Vietnam. The Pentagon is now providing addtional evidence that further deconstructs the now debunked New York Times story of the missing weapns.

This photo as released late yesterday by the Pentagon and taken prior to our arrival on the scene shows pairs of trucks and heavy equipment transporters.

At the very least it demonstrates that the regime was moving 
SOMETHING prior to our arrival.

John Kerry's willingness to be critical of our troops, while they are fighting for his freedom, and by his team's own admission - before they know the facts sends a huge message of the lengths Kerry is willing to go to use ANYTHING at his disposal to win. I only wished he would do "whatever it takes" to put America first, instead of his own ambition.


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KEYWORDS: alqaqaa; karryhatesthetroops; kerrylies; kerrysucks
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1 posted on 10/29/2004 5:50:35 AM PDT by KMC1
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To: KMC1

I thought they had the technology to read a license plate from that altitude. Why do we have to settle for these photos?


2 posted on 10/29/2004 5:51:55 AM PDT by Brilliant
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To: KMC1

Are the big things bunkers, the thing the yellow arrow is pointing to a truck, and what is the red arrow supposed to be pointing to, if anyone knows?


3 posted on 10/29/2004 5:54:02 AM PDT by Bahbah (Proud member of the pajamahadeen)
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To: Brilliant

Because this is the de-classified version, and they do not want us (or the enemy) to know how good our capability is.


4 posted on 10/29/2004 5:54:05 AM PDT by garyb
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To: Brilliant
"I thought they had the technology to read a license plate from that altitude. Why do we have to settle for these photos?"

Maybe the October surprise is a close up showing John Kerry driving one of the trucks.

5 posted on 10/29/2004 5:54:48 AM PDT by Boss_Jim_Gettys (Pajamas? I don't wear no stinkin' pajamas!)
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To: Brilliant

Their tags were expired, so they're trying to get the VIN.


6 posted on 10/29/2004 5:56:05 AM PDT by Tijeras_Slim (I want to have fanatical henchmen when I grow up.)
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To: garyb
Because this is the de-classified version, and they do not want us (or the enemy) to know how good our capability is.

Then how do you, Brilliant, and myself know that? ;-)

7 posted on 10/29/2004 5:56:16 AM PDT by Rightwing Conspiratr1 (Lock-n-load!)
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To: Brilliant
"I thought they had the technology to read a license plate from that altitude."

How do you make a camera look sideways?

8 posted on 10/29/2004 5:56:33 AM PDT by Redbob
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To: Brilliant

Cut the pessimism. These are great photos - Share them wth your friends folks


9 posted on 10/29/2004 5:58:25 AM PDT by Martins kid
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To: KMC1

So what's this I hear at the coffee machine this morning that a TV station in Minneapolis has tape of US soldiers entering the bunker at al KaKa, slicing the IAEA seal, and finding it full of explosives, just a day or two after the invasion?


10 posted on 10/29/2004 5:58:31 AM PDT by Redbob
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To: Boss_Jim_Gettys

"Maybe the October surprise is a close up showing John Kerry driving one of the trucks."


Lol...can you imagine??? John Kerry...a truck driver? "Can I get me one of den dar CDLs here?"

Ha!!!!


11 posted on 10/29/2004 5:58:45 AM PDT by 4everontheRight (John Kerry - Serving the UN, not the US)
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To: Boss_Jim_Gettys
Maybe the October surprise is a close up showing John Kerry driving one of the trucks.

But the trucks don't belong to him. They belong to Ter-Ay-Za


12 posted on 10/29/2004 5:58:48 AM PDT by P8riot (A gun is just a substitute for a penis, so when attacked by a mugger one should pull out a..........)
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To: KMC1
Wait a minute - Aaron Brown showed this pic on CNN last evening, and said it "didn't prove anything."

Since he's a trained photoanalyst, why should I believe the Pentagon?

13 posted on 10/29/2004 5:58:49 AM PDT by TonyInOhio (Never give in. Never give in. Never. Never. Never.)
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To: Brilliant
We Must in a loud voice throughout this country demand
John Kerry must sign the ddf180.

How? Make posters, signs, tell people to pput them on their car on there lawn.

You see if we get people everywhere talking about it making buzz He cannot ignore it.

At football games large posters SIGN THE 180

get it.

we cannot let this go.


We can make our own October suprise.. Headlines America demands an answer from what may be the next commander in chief.
14 posted on 10/29/2004 5:59:12 AM PDT by Texas4ever
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To: Bahbah

what is the red arrow supposed to be pointing to, if anyone knows?

I think the red arrow truck is an equipment transporter, like front end loaders, bulldozers, etc. are hauled around on. Or maybe just a flat bed truck.

15 posted on 10/29/2004 5:59:36 AM PDT by elli1 (The total viewers of MSNBC is less than half a county in Wyoming.)
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To: Bahbah
... and what is the red arrow supposed to be pointing to, if anyone knows?

Check lower left side of photo ... for info.

16 posted on 10/29/2004 6:00:39 AM PDT by BluH2o
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To: Bahbah

The key at the bottom of the picture says the red arrow is pointing to a truck and the yellow arrow is pointing to a "heavy equipment transporter."


17 posted on 10/29/2004 6:01:37 AM PDT by Mr. Mulliner ("I intend to live forever. So far, so good." - Steven Wright)
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To: Bahbah

Read in the lower left hand corner of the picture. It will explain.


18 posted on 10/29/2004 6:02:35 AM PDT by em2vn
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To: TonyInOhio
Site Meter Aaron Brown? CNN? Aren't they like only 1/5th the audience of FNC now? Does anyone watch them anymore?
19 posted on 10/29/2004 6:02:36 AM PDT by KMC1
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To: KMC1

20 posted on 10/29/2004 6:02:53 AM PDT by AmericanMade1776
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To: Bahbah

oops...the legend on the photo explains the red & yellow arrows, just the opposite of what I posted.


21 posted on 10/29/2004 6:03:19 AM PDT by elli1 (The total viewers of MSNBC is less than half a county in Wyoming.)
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To: Redbob
So what's this I hear at the coffee machine this morning that a TV station in Minneapolis has tape of US soldiers entering the bunker at al KaKa, slicing the IAEA seal, and finding it full of explosives, just a day or two after the invasion?

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/1261221/posts

But the operative line in that story, for me, was:

The material in the cardboard cylinders could have been the RDX, but this is at odds with the label and the lost amounts are inconsistent with the visible quantity. However, there may have been storage area outside the field of view of the camera.

22 posted on 10/29/2004 6:03:38 AM PDT by atomicpossum (If there are two Americas, John Edwards isn't qualified to lead either of them.)
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To: Rightwing Conspiratr1

They read Tom Clancy novels.


23 posted on 10/29/2004 6:04:23 AM PDT by didi
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To: KMC1
NYTimes and CBS will report that the trucks were delivering more explosives that are missing. Bush is at fault.
24 posted on 10/29/2004 6:05:00 AM PDT by superdad
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To: Redbob

They found some explosives. They didn't find any with IAEA inventory stickers. It is the IAEA inventoried stuff that Kerry is spouting about.


25 posted on 10/29/2004 6:05:20 AM PDT by em2vn
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To: KMC1
The MSM is in bed with sKerry on this and other stories of fiction. Thank you for providing this sat photo showing large trucks at the site prior to our liberation of Iraq.
26 posted on 10/29/2004 6:06:03 AM PDT by conservativecorner
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To: KMC1
There was a soldier with the 101ST on Hannity (radio)a few days ago who said he was with the unit that stopped at Al-QaQaa.

He mentioned that he walked around the bunkers and remembers a number of tire tracks and footprints around several of the bunkers.

He didn't see any large stockpiles except damaged rockets and mortar tubes.

27 posted on 10/29/2004 6:07:17 AM PDT by airborne (God answers all prayers. Sometimes the answer is ,"No".)
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To: Martins kid

Damn straight skippy!


28 posted on 10/29/2004 6:07:35 AM PDT by conservativecorner
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To: Redbob

You mean to tell me they were in Baghdad a day or two after the invasion? Boy that war was faster that I was told.


29 posted on 10/29/2004 6:11:54 AM PDT by crz
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To: Redbob

They have not dated nor confirmed where the video is from.


30 posted on 10/29/2004 6:13:03 AM PDT by AAGabriel (Vestigia nulla retrorsum)
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To: BluH2o

Thanks, Blu and all. I missed the little thing on the left.


31 posted on 10/29/2004 6:16:54 AM PDT by Bahbah (Proud member of the pajamahadeen)
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To: KMC1

This reconaissance picture, released yesterday, shows two trucks parked outside one of the 56 bunkers of the Al Qa Qaa Explosive Storage Complex on March 17, 2003, prior to the U.S. invasion of Iraq. (AP)

32 posted on 10/29/2004 6:19:14 AM PDT by Eagle9
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To: didi

When the company I work for was in Cambridge MA. I went across the street to an interesting company called Thinking Machines Associates. They weren't real receptive to my resume. Then I read Rainbow Six and I knew why.


33 posted on 10/29/2004 6:23:34 AM PDT by massgopguy (massgopguy)
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To: Redbob

There is one thing no one in the media today is picking up on - THE NEWS CREW SAID THEY DID NOT GO IN ANY BUNKER THAT HAD BEEN SEALED BY THE IAEA - THEREFORE, THE PHOTOS AND VIDEO WERE TAKEN OF A BUNKER THAT COULD NOT HAVE CONTAINED THE EXPLOSIVES IN QUESTION.

ABC has been VERY DECEPTIVE, leading everyone to believe that the soldiers and news crew went in a bunker that was sealed. THEY DID NOT. Nothing in any of the videos or photos shows any soldier breaking an IAEA seal, and the reporter himself said he never went in any bunker that had been sealed - in fact, one of the videos shows someone who had climbed up to look in a ventilation vent to see what was in the sealed bunker - conclusion - THE SEALED BUNKERS WERE NOT OPENED. They just show a PHOTO of a bunker that was sealed, and IMPLY that that is the bunker where the explosives were found.

This sham has got to be exposed for what it is. Also, the location has NOT been verified.


34 posted on 10/29/2004 6:25:33 AM PDT by Texas Deb
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To: Brilliant

This is the best you're going to see in an unclassified version. Anything more Hi-res is classified Top Secret or above.


35 posted on 10/29/2004 6:25:34 AM PDT by CholeraJoe (I'm just three lost teeth and a neck tattoo away from being a Soccer Hooligan. Go Gunners!)
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To: Bahbah
and what is the red arrow supposed to be pointing to

Another vehicle.

36 posted on 10/29/2004 6:30:48 AM PDT by TexKat (Just because you did not see it or read it, that does not mean it did or did not happen.)
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To: Texas4ever

My guess is that the media has the Kerry draft records, and is simply holding them back in order to manipulate the election. It'll be interesting to see whether the records suddenly pop up after the election, when it doesn't matter.


37 posted on 10/29/2004 6:31:38 AM PDT by Brilliant
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To: Boss_Jim_Gettys

LOL! The truck probably has a Kerry bumper sticker on it.


38 posted on 10/29/2004 6:32:50 AM PDT by Brilliant
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To: Redbob
At Bell Labs (now Lucent) we did some work on this technology. The imagers do have the ability to resolve quite stunning images. No, they never release or comment on the specs, but they can resolve far more detail than this.

Most of these systems, not all, are non-optical imagers, meaning that they can see through clouds.

And yes, they can change the tangent to some extent. Bear in mind that images are not usually taken with the satellite directly overhead, but rather, are shots taken from a tangent. They follow set orbits, and can change orbit slightly, but that takes time and the fuel needed to do so is very limited.
Fortunately, the "footprint" is pretty large.
39 posted on 10/29/2004 6:33:43 AM PDT by bill1952 ("All that we do is done with an eye towards something else.")
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To: TonyInOhio
Wait a minute - Aaron Brown showed this pic on CNN last evening, and said it "didn't prove anything."

David Kay on Aaron Brown last night.

CNN NEWSNIGHT AARON BROWN 10/28/04

BROWN: OK, back to the explosives the who and when and the how of it all but on the question of when, as we saw at the top of the program, there is new information to factor in, pretty conclusive to our eye.

So, we'll sort through this now, take the politics out of it and try and deal with facts with former head U.N. weapons inspector -- U.S. weapons inspector David Kay. David, it's nice to see you.

DAVID KAY, FMR. U.S. WEAPONS INSPECTOR: Good to be with you, Aaron.

BROWN: I don't know how better to do this than to show you some pictures, have you explain to me what they are or are not, OK? First, I'll just call it the seal and tell me if this is an IAEA seal on that bunker at that munitions dump.

KAY: Aaron, as about as certain as I can be looking at a picture, not physically holding it, which obviously I would have preferred to have been there, that's an IAEA seal. I've never seen anything else in Iraq in about 15 years of being in Iraq and around Iraq that was other than an IAEA seal of that shape.

BROWN: And was there anything else at the facility that would have been under IAEA seal?

KAY: Absolutely nothing. It was he HMX, RDX, the two high explosives.

BROWN: OK. Now, I want to take a look at the barrels here for a second and you can tell me what they tell you. They obviously to us just show us a bunch of barrels. You'll see it somewhat differently.

KAY: Well, it's interesting. There were three foreign suppliers to Iraq of this explosive in the 1980s. One of them used barrels like this and inside the barrel is a bag. HMX is in powdered form because you actually use it to shape a spherical lens that is used to create the triggering device for nuclear weapons.

And, particularly on the videotape, which is actually better than the still photos, as the soldier dips into it that's either HMX or RDX. I don't know of anything else in al Qa Qaa that was in that form.

BROWN: Let me ask you then, David, the question I asked Jamie. In regard to the dispute about whether that stuff was there when the Americans arrived, is it game, set, match? Is that part of the argument now over?

KAY: Well, at least with regard to this one bunker and the film shows one seal, one bunker, one group of soldiers going through and there were others there that were sealed, with this one, I think it is game, set and match.

There was HMX, RDX in there. The seal was broken and quite frankly to me the most frightening thing is not only is the seal broken and the lock broken but the soldiers left after opening it up. I mean to rephrase the so-called (UNINTELLIGIBLE) rule if you open an arms bunker, you own it. You have to provide security.

BROWN: That raises a number of questions. Let me throw out one. It suggests that maybe they just didn't know what they had.

KAY: I think quite likely they didn't know they had HMX, which speaks to the lack of intelligence given troops moving through that area but they certainly knew they had explosives.

And to put this in context, I think it's important this loss of 360 tons but Iraq is awash with tens of thousands of tons of explosives right now in the hands of insurgents because we did not provide the security when we took over the country.

BROWN: Could you -- I'm trying to stay out of the realm of politics.

KAY: So am I. BROWN: I'm not sure you can necessarily. I know. It's a little tricky here but is there any reason not to have anticipated the fact that there would be bunkers like this, explosives like this and a need to secure them?

KAY: Absolutely not. For example, al Qa Qaa was a site of (UNINTELLIGIBLE) super gun project. It was a team of mine that discovered the HMX originally in 1991. That was one of the most well documented explosive sites in all of Iraq. The other 80 or so major ammunition storage points were also well documented.

Iraq had, and it's a frightening number, two-thirds of the total conventional explosives that the U.S. has in its entire inventory. The country was an armed camp.

BROWN: David, as quickly as you can because this just came up in the last hour, as dangerous as this stuff is, this would not be described as a WMD, correct?

KAY: Oh, absolutely not.

BROWN: Thank you.

KAY: And, in fact, the loss of it is not a proliferation issue.

BROWN: OK. It's just dangerous and it's out there and by your thinking it should have been secured.

KAY: Well, look, it was used to bring the Pan Am flight down. It's a very dangerous explosive, particularly in the hands of terrorists.

BROWN: David, thank you for walking me through this. I appreciate it, David Kay the former head U.S. weapons inspector in Iraq.

40 posted on 10/29/2004 6:41:45 AM PDT by TexKat (Just because you did not see it or read it, that does not mean it did or did not happen.)
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To: TexKat

David Kay! I need to read no more...he is a sham. Check his bank accounts.


41 posted on 10/29/2004 6:45:57 AM PDT by AAGabriel (Vestigia nulla retrorsum)
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To: KMC1
If MSM is right and the HDX/RDX explosives remained, then it is only logical to conclude that the Heavy Trucks were removing WMDs.
42 posted on 10/29/2004 6:46:34 AM PDT by igoramus987
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To: Bahbah

Get out the windex and clean them there glasses pal.


43 posted on 10/29/2004 6:50:23 AM PDT by processing please hold (All I ever need to know about Islam, I learned on 9-11)
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To: pbrown
Get out the windex and clean them there glasses pal.

By golly, I think you have pinpointed the problem.;)

44 posted on 10/29/2004 6:58:50 AM PDT by Bahbah (Proud member of the pajamahadeen)
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To: Redbob
So what's this I hear at the coffee machine this morning that a TV station in Minneapolis has tape of US soldiers entering the bunker at al KaKa, slicing the IAEA seal, and finding it full of explosives, just a day or two after the invasion?

A soldier with the 101st Airborne Division is seen examining the contents of a barrel in a bunker in the Al-Qaqaa facility in Iraq in this video footage made by Minneapolis ABC affiliate KSTP-TV on April 18, 2003 while the station had a crew embedded with the 101st during the war. The station says the video shows soldiers examining explosives, but the television station said it remained unclear if the explosives were the high-energy explosives that are missing. (AP Photo/KSTP,ABC News)

Video May Show Explosives at Al-Qaqaa

WASHINGTON - Videotape shot by a Minnesota television crew traveling with U.S. troops in Iraq when they first opened the bunkers at the Al-Qaqaa munitions base nine days after the fall of Saddam Hussein shows what appeared to be high explosives still in barrels and bearing the markings of the International Atomic Energy Agency.

The video taken by KSTP of St. Paul on April 18, 2003, could reinforce suggestions that tons of explosives missing from a munitions installation in Iraq were looted after the U.S. invasion and occupation of Iraq. The video was broadcast nationally Thursday on ABC.

"The photographs are consistent with what I know of Al-Qaqaa," David A. Kay, a former American official who directed the hunt in Iraq for unconventional weapons and visited the site, told The New York Times. "The damning thing is the seals. The Iraqis didn't use seals on anything. So I'm absolutely sure that's an IAEA seal."

The question of what happened to the tons of explosives has become a major issue in the closing days of the presidential campaign.

Democrat John Kerry says the missing explosives — powerful enough to demolish a building, bring down a jetliner or set off a nuclear weapon — are another example of the Bush administration's poor planning and incompetence in handling the war in Iraq. President Bush says the explosives were possibly removed by Saddam's forces before the invasion.

Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld entered the debate Thursday, suggesting the 377 tons of explosives were taken away before U.S. forces arrived, saying any large effort to loot the material afterward would have been detected.

"We would have seen anything like that," he said in one of two radio interviews he gave at the Pentagon. "The idea it was suddenly looted and moved out, all of these tons of equipment, I think is at least debatable."

The Pentagon also declassified and released a single image, taken by reconnaissance aircraft or satellite just days before the war, showing two trucks outside one of the dozens of storage bunkers at the Al-Qaqaa munitions base.

The particular bunker is not one known to have contained any of the missing explosives, and Pentagon spokesman Larry Di Rita said the image only shows that there was some Iraqi activity at the base when it was taken, on March 17. Di Rita said the image says nothing about what happened to the explosives.

Rumsfeld, in one radio interview, also cast doubt on the suggestion of one of his subordinates that Russian forces assisted the Iraqis in removing them.

John Shaw, the deputy U.S. undersecretary of defense for international technology security, suggested to The Washington Times in an interview that the Russians may have been involved, prompting an angry denial from Moscow.

Rumsfeld said, "I have no information on that at all, and cannot validate that even slightly."

But at issue is whether the weapons were moved before or after U.S. forces occupied that region of the country in early April. No one has been able to provide conclusive evidence either way, although Iraqi officials blamed it on poor U.S. security after Baghdad fell.

The Pentagon has said it's looking into the matter, and officials note that 400,000 tons of recovered Iraqi munitions have either been destroyed or are slated to be destroyed.

45 posted on 10/29/2004 7:00:51 AM PDT by TexKat (Just because you did not see it or read it, that does not mean it did or did not happen.)
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Yellow arrow = Truck
Red arrow = Heavy Equipment Transporter
46 posted on 10/29/2004 7:02:55 AM PDT by Eagle9
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To: TexKat
I guess the question I have to ask is .... okay this one bunker somewhere in Iraq had the stuff. But we do not know where this bunker is quite frankly and if the USA has already destryed the stuff in the bunker.

Either way, this tape give the MSM amo to keep pounding this story out to the American public while no one wants to here that the US military has destoryed hundreds of thousands of tons of similar explosives.

47 posted on 10/29/2004 7:05:15 AM PDT by hawkaw
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To: Brilliant
"technology to read a license plate from that altitude."

In case some of the trucks were sold later, they don't want Freepers posting the address and phone number of some poor, old couple in New Jersey.

48 posted on 10/29/2004 7:14:47 AM PDT by Deaf Smith
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Correction: reverse the colors in my post #46.


49 posted on 10/29/2004 7:16:56 AM PDT by Eagle9
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To: KMC1

Al KaKa equals Kerry.....


50 posted on 10/29/2004 7:18:44 AM PDT by Stateline
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