Skip to comments.***THE AL QAQAA PHOTOS SHOW TRUCKS PRIOR TO U.S. TROOPS ARRIVAL - PHOTO HERE***
Posted on 10/29/2004 5:50:35 AM PDT by KMC1
PHOTOS CONFIRM - LARGE TRUCKS AT AL QAQAA: It is the worst of all possibilities for John Kerry. While he is busy blaming the troops for the missing weapons that were never there on their watch. While he is accusing them of being incompetent when it came to securing weapons of mass destruction. While he spit in their face the way he did to the Prisoners of War after he returned from Vietnam. The Pentagon is now providing addtional evidence that further deconstructs the now debunked New York Times story of the missing weapns.
This photo as released late yesterday by the Pentagon and taken prior to our arrival on the scene shows pairs of trucks and heavy equipment transporters.
At the very least it demonstrates that the regime was moving SOMETHING prior to our arrival.
John Kerry's willingness to be critical of our troops, while they are fighting for his freedom, and by his team's own admission - before they know the facts sends a huge message of the lengths Kerry is willing to go to use ANYTHING at his disposal to win. I only wished he would do "whatever it takes" to put America first, instead of his own ambition.
I thought they had the technology to read a license plate from that altitude. Why do we have to settle for these photos?
Are the big things bunkers, the thing the yellow arrow is pointing to a truck, and what is the red arrow supposed to be pointing to, if anyone knows?
Because this is the de-classified version, and they do not want us (or the enemy) to know how good our capability is.
Maybe the October surprise is a close up showing John Kerry driving one of the trucks.
Their tags were expired, so they're trying to get the VIN.
Then how do you, Brilliant, and myself know that? ;-)
How do you make a camera look sideways?
Cut the pessimism. These are great photos - Share them wth your friends folks
So what's this I hear at the coffee machine this morning that a TV station in Minneapolis has tape of US soldiers entering the bunker at al KaKa, slicing the IAEA seal, and finding it full of explosives, just a day or two after the invasion?
"Maybe the October surprise is a close up showing John Kerry driving one of the trucks."
Lol...can you imagine??? John Kerry...a truck driver? "Can I get me one of den dar CDLs here?"
But the trucks don't belong to him. They belong to Ter-Ay-Za
Since he's a trained photoanalyst, why should I believe the Pentagon?
what is the red arrow supposed to be pointing to, if anyone knows?
I think the red arrow truck is an equipment transporter, like front end loaders, bulldozers, etc. are hauled around on. Or maybe just a flat bed truck.
Check lower left side of photo ... for info.
The key at the bottom of the picture says the red arrow is pointing to a truck and the yellow arrow is pointing to a "heavy equipment transporter."
Read in the lower left hand corner of the picture. It will explain.
oops...the legend on the photo explains the red & yellow arrows, just the opposite of what I posted.
But the operative line in that story, for me, was:
The material in the cardboard cylinders could have been the RDX, but this is at odds with the label and the lost amounts are inconsistent with the visible quantity. However, there may have been storage area outside the field of view of the camera.
They read Tom Clancy novels.
They found some explosives. They didn't find any with IAEA inventory stickers. It is the IAEA inventoried stuff that Kerry is spouting about.
He mentioned that he walked around the bunkers and remembers a number of tire tracks and footprints around several of the bunkers.
He didn't see any large stockpiles except damaged rockets and mortar tubes.
Damn straight skippy!
You mean to tell me they were in Baghdad a day or two after the invasion? Boy that war was faster that I was told.
They have not dated nor confirmed where the video is from.
Thanks, Blu and all. I missed the little thing on the left.
This reconaissance picture, released yesterday, shows two trucks parked outside one of the 56 bunkers of the Al Qa Qaa Explosive Storage Complex on March 17, 2003, prior to the U.S. invasion of Iraq. (AP)
When the company I work for was in Cambridge MA. I went across the street to an interesting company called Thinking Machines Associates. They weren't real receptive to my resume. Then I read Rainbow Six and I knew why.
There is one thing no one in the media today is picking up on - THE NEWS CREW SAID THEY DID NOT GO IN ANY BUNKER THAT HAD BEEN SEALED BY THE IAEA - THEREFORE, THE PHOTOS AND VIDEO WERE TAKEN OF A BUNKER THAT COULD NOT HAVE CONTAINED THE EXPLOSIVES IN QUESTION.
ABC has been VERY DECEPTIVE, leading everyone to believe that the soldiers and news crew went in a bunker that was sealed. THEY DID NOT. Nothing in any of the videos or photos shows any soldier breaking an IAEA seal, and the reporter himself said he never went in any bunker that had been sealed - in fact, one of the videos shows someone who had climbed up to look in a ventilation vent to see what was in the sealed bunker - conclusion - THE SEALED BUNKERS WERE NOT OPENED. They just show a PHOTO of a bunker that was sealed, and IMPLY that that is the bunker where the explosives were found.
This sham has got to be exposed for what it is. Also, the location has NOT been verified.
This is the best you're going to see in an unclassified version. Anything more Hi-res is classified Top Secret or above.
My guess is that the media has the Kerry draft records, and is simply holding them back in order to manipulate the election. It'll be interesting to see whether the records suddenly pop up after the election, when it doesn't matter.
LOL! The truck probably has a Kerry bumper sticker on it.
David Kay on Aaron Brown last night.
BROWN: OK, back to the explosives the who and when and the how of it all but on the question of when, as we saw at the top of the program, there is new information to factor in, pretty conclusive to our eye.
So, we'll sort through this now, take the politics out of it and try and deal with facts with former head U.N. weapons inspector -- U.S. weapons inspector David Kay. David, it's nice to see you.
DAVID KAY, FMR. U.S. WEAPONS INSPECTOR: Good to be with you, Aaron.
BROWN: I don't know how better to do this than to show you some pictures, have you explain to me what they are or are not, OK? First, I'll just call it the seal and tell me if this is an IAEA seal on that bunker at that munitions dump.
KAY: Aaron, as about as certain as I can be looking at a picture, not physically holding it, which obviously I would have preferred to have been there, that's an IAEA seal. I've never seen anything else in Iraq in about 15 years of being in Iraq and around Iraq that was other than an IAEA seal of that shape.
BROWN: And was there anything else at the facility that would have been under IAEA seal?
KAY: Absolutely nothing. It was he HMX, RDX, the two high explosives.
BROWN: OK. Now, I want to take a look at the barrels here for a second and you can tell me what they tell you. They obviously to us just show us a bunch of barrels. You'll see it somewhat differently.
KAY: Well, it's interesting. There were three foreign suppliers to Iraq of this explosive in the 1980s. One of them used barrels like this and inside the barrel is a bag. HMX is in powdered form because you actually use it to shape a spherical lens that is used to create the triggering device for nuclear weapons.
And, particularly on the videotape, which is actually better than the still photos, as the soldier dips into it that's either HMX or RDX. I don't know of anything else in al Qa Qaa that was in that form.
BROWN: Let me ask you then, David, the question I asked Jamie. In regard to the dispute about whether that stuff was there when the Americans arrived, is it game, set, match? Is that part of the argument now over?
KAY: Well, at least with regard to this one bunker and the film shows one seal, one bunker, one group of soldiers going through and there were others there that were sealed, with this one, I think it is game, set and match.
There was HMX, RDX in there. The seal was broken and quite frankly to me the most frightening thing is not only is the seal broken and the lock broken but the soldiers left after opening it up. I mean to rephrase the so-called (UNINTELLIGIBLE) rule if you open an arms bunker, you own it. You have to provide security.
BROWN: That raises a number of questions. Let me throw out one. It suggests that maybe they just didn't know what they had.
KAY: I think quite likely they didn't know they had HMX, which speaks to the lack of intelligence given troops moving through that area but they certainly knew they had explosives.
And to put this in context, I think it's important this loss of 360 tons but Iraq is awash with tens of thousands of tons of explosives right now in the hands of insurgents because we did not provide the security when we took over the country.
BROWN: Could you -- I'm trying to stay out of the realm of politics.
KAY: So am I. BROWN: I'm not sure you can necessarily. I know. It's a little tricky here but is there any reason not to have anticipated the fact that there would be bunkers like this, explosives like this and a need to secure them?
KAY: Absolutely not. For example, al Qa Qaa was a site of (UNINTELLIGIBLE) super gun project. It was a team of mine that discovered the HMX originally in 1991. That was one of the most well documented explosive sites in all of Iraq. The other 80 or so major ammunition storage points were also well documented.
Iraq had, and it's a frightening number, two-thirds of the total conventional explosives that the U.S. has in its entire inventory. The country was an armed camp.
BROWN: David, as quickly as you can because this just came up in the last hour, as dangerous as this stuff is, this would not be described as a WMD, correct?
KAY: Oh, absolutely not.
BROWN: Thank you.
KAY: And, in fact, the loss of it is not a proliferation issue.
BROWN: OK. It's just dangerous and it's out there and by your thinking it should have been secured.
KAY: Well, look, it was used to bring the Pan Am flight down. It's a very dangerous explosive, particularly in the hands of terrorists.
BROWN: David, thank you for walking me through this. I appreciate it, David Kay the former head U.S. weapons inspector in Iraq.
David Kay! I need to read no more...he is a sham. Check his bank accounts.
Get out the windex and clean them there glasses pal.
By golly, I think you have pinpointed the problem.;)
A soldier with the 101st Airborne Division is seen examining the contents of a barrel in a bunker in the Al-Qaqaa facility in Iraq in this video footage made by Minneapolis ABC affiliate KSTP-TV on April 18, 2003 while the station had a crew embedded with the 101st during the war. The station says the video shows soldiers examining explosives, but the television station said it remained unclear if the explosives were the high-energy explosives that are missing. (AP Photo/KSTP,ABC News)
WASHINGTON - Videotape shot by a Minnesota television crew traveling with U.S. troops in Iraq when they first opened the bunkers at the Al-Qaqaa munitions base nine days after the fall of Saddam Hussein shows what appeared to be high explosives still in barrels and bearing the markings of the International Atomic Energy Agency.
The video taken by KSTP of St. Paul on April 18, 2003, could reinforce suggestions that tons of explosives missing from a munitions installation in Iraq were looted after the U.S. invasion and occupation of Iraq. The video was broadcast nationally Thursday on ABC.
"The photographs are consistent with what I know of Al-Qaqaa," David A. Kay, a former American official who directed the hunt in Iraq for unconventional weapons and visited the site, told The New York Times. "The damning thing is the seals. The Iraqis didn't use seals on anything. So I'm absolutely sure that's an IAEA seal."
The question of what happened to the tons of explosives has become a major issue in the closing days of the presidential campaign.
Democrat John Kerry says the missing explosives powerful enough to demolish a building, bring down a jetliner or set off a nuclear weapon are another example of the Bush administration's poor planning and incompetence in handling the war in Iraq. President Bush says the explosives were possibly removed by Saddam's forces before the invasion.
Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld entered the debate Thursday, suggesting the 377 tons of explosives were taken away before U.S. forces arrived, saying any large effort to loot the material afterward would have been detected.
"We would have seen anything like that," he said in one of two radio interviews he gave at the Pentagon. "The idea it was suddenly looted and moved out, all of these tons of equipment, I think is at least debatable."
The Pentagon also declassified and released a single image, taken by reconnaissance aircraft or satellite just days before the war, showing two trucks outside one of the dozens of storage bunkers at the Al-Qaqaa munitions base.
The particular bunker is not one known to have contained any of the missing explosives, and Pentagon spokesman Larry Di Rita said the image only shows that there was some Iraqi activity at the base when it was taken, on March 17. Di Rita said the image says nothing about what happened to the explosives.
Rumsfeld, in one radio interview, also cast doubt on the suggestion of one of his subordinates that Russian forces assisted the Iraqis in removing them.
John Shaw, the deputy U.S. undersecretary of defense for international technology security, suggested to The Washington Times in an interview that the Russians may have been involved, prompting an angry denial from Moscow.
Rumsfeld said, "I have no information on that at all, and cannot validate that even slightly."
But at issue is whether the weapons were moved before or after U.S. forces occupied that region of the country in early April. No one has been able to provide conclusive evidence either way, although Iraqi officials blamed it on poor U.S. security after Baghdad fell.
The Pentagon has said it's looking into the matter, and officials note that 400,000 tons of recovered Iraqi munitions have either been destroyed or are slated to be destroyed.
Either way, this tape give the MSM amo to keep pounding this story out to the American public while no one wants to here that the US military has destoryed hundreds of thousands of tons of similar explosives.
In case some of the trucks were sold later, they don't want Freepers posting the address and phone number of some poor, old couple in New Jersey.
Correction: reverse the colors in my post #46.
Al KaKa equals Kerry.....
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