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The Doors, The Doors!
Bridegroom Press ^ | Steve Kellmeyer

Posted on 10/29/2004 8:42:44 AM PDT by skellmeyer

In the Catholic Byzantine rite, immediately before the priest consecrates the offering, the deacon proclaims, "The doors, the doors! Let us attend in wisdom!" With those words, the doors of the iconostasis are shut. The closing of the doors not only transforms the altar area into an image of Mary’s virginal womb, so that the presence of Jesus might enter into the Bride of the Christ as He did two millenia ago, it also serves a rather practical purpose. It keeps the riff-raff out.

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Editorial; News/Current Events; Philosophy
KEYWORDS: cardinalgeorge; eucharist; kerry; prochoice
How Cardinal George can avoid a circus at the communion rail.
1 posted on 10/29/2004 8:42:45 AM PDT by skellmeyer
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"The doors, the doors! Let us attend in wisdom!"


2 posted on 10/29/2004 9:00:23 AM PDT by robertpaulsen
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This is the News/Activism part of Freerepublic. What in this is news? Breaking News?

Have you seen the Religion section?

3 posted on 10/29/2004 9:00:32 AM PDT by sr4402
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Thus, it is somewhat puzzling to read Cardinal George’s latest missive to the people of Illinois.

"Should Catholic ’pro-choice’ politicians receive Holy Communion? Objectively, no; but subjectively a politician may have convinced himself he is in good conscience. The burden of helping politicians form their consciences falls back upon their pastors. Such a conversation about personal conversion is hard to have in the midst of the pressures of electioneering. As the conversations, both public and private, go on, however, "pro-choice" politicians will inevitably find themselves ever more estranged from their own community of faith. This is tragic, not only for politicians, most of whom went into public service for generous motives, but for the faith community itself.


Just thought I'd post a bit more so folks could see why this was posted to the news section.

4 posted on 10/29/2004 9:00:58 AM PDT by Siobhan (Pray without ceasing.)
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Little Grace was not the best student in parochial school. Usually she slept through her classes.

One day the Sister Mary Kay called on her while she was napping and said, "Tell me, Grace; who created the universe?"

When Grace didn't stir, little Johnny, seated in the chair behind her, took a pencil and jabbed her in the rear.

"God Almighty!" shouted Grace, and Sister Mary Kay said, "Very good".

Soon Grace fell back asleep. A while later the Sister called on Grace and asked, "Who is our Lord and Savior?" But, Grace didn't even stir from her slumber.

Once again, Little Johnny came to the rescue and stuck her with his pencil. "Jesus Christ!" shouted Grace and Sister Mary Kay said, "Very Good" and Grace sat back down and started to fall back asleep.

Then the Sister asked Grace a third question. "What did Eve say to Adam after she had her twenty-third child?" This time Grace was just awake enough to hear the question - and she knew what was coming, so she jumped up and shouted, "If you stick that damn thing in me one more time, I'll break it in half!"

Sister Mary Kay fainted.


5 posted on 10/29/2004 9:02:10 AM PDT by lilylangtree (Veni, Vidi, Vici)
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With all due respect this only demonstrates the Catholic's faith in symbolism over substance. My experience as a former member is similar to that of a union mentality where, as long as you're a card carrying member, you'll do just fine in the end, no matter how you vote or conduct your life. This religion has a major problem in its membership standing up for the faith's core beliefs, in this country.


6 posted on 10/29/2004 9:20:58 AM PDT by PeteePie
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This religion has a major problem in its membership standing up for the faith's core beliefs, in this country.

Absolutely true. It is a common problem - when faced with a difficult truth, people have two ways to avoid it. They can acknowledge Truth and then do nothing about it (many American Catholics choose this route) or they can change the truth to something more palatable, but less true, and then vociferously cling to that (this is the non-Catholic Christian response). Both are reprehensible ways of dealing with Truth, but that's what people do.

7 posted on 10/29/2004 9:26:42 AM PDT by skellmeyer
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...and everybody said "AMEN!"


8 posted on 10/29/2004 10:04:38 AM PDT by PeteePie
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" He was responsible for obliterating the last traces of pagan worship, destroying pagan temples and holy places"

Of course, when the Taliban did that in Afghanistan, we all reacted with horror. Victor's history, indeed.


9 posted on 10/29/2004 6:08:51 PM PDT by gcruse (http://gcruse.typepad.com/)
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The difference of course being that Christianity is right. The Taliban and the Buddhists aren't.


10 posted on 10/30/2004 1:59:58 PM PDT by skellmeyer
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The difference of course being that Christianity is right. The Taliban and the Buddhists aren't.

Whoa.  Situational ethics?  The actions are right or wrong depending on who is doing them? 
11 posted on 10/30/2004 2:14:22 PM PDT by gcruse (http://gcruse.typepad.com/)
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Whoa. Situational ethics? The actions are right or wrong depending on who is doing them?

A man who kills an innocent is a murderer. A man who kills a criminal as he attempts a terrible crime is a hero. Situational ethics? Not at all. The first person is in the wrong, the second is in the right.

The Catholic Faith is the true Faith, the correct understanding of God. Destruction of error-filled understandings of God is perfectly reasonable.

12 posted on 10/31/2004 5:45:06 PM PST by skellmeyer
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The Catholic Faith is the true Faith, the correct understanding of God. Destruction of error-filled understandings of God is perfectly reasonable.

Osama makes the same claim for radical Islam.  Destruction of understandings is somewhat less than destruction of others' places of worship and images, however.  Intolerance as a worldview leads to 9/11's.
13 posted on 10/31/2004 6:05:50 PM PST by gcruse (http://gcruse.typepad.com/)
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Osama makes the same claim for radical Islam. Destruction of understandings is somewhat less than destruction of others' places of worship and images, however. Intolerance as a worldview leads to 9/11's.

So, are you expressing intolerance of MY worldview? It seems to me that you are. Does that mean YOU will creat another 9/11?

I happen to be intolerant of the worldview of rapists, murderers, thieves, drug dealers and a host of others. So are many others. Does that lead to 9/11?

You see the problem, I hope. There is nothing wrong with destroying pagan places of worship. Take the Aztec places of worship, for instance. They dealt in human sacrifice, literally dozens of people an hour at the height of their ceremonial season.

If you want to defend them, go right ahead. But Cortez was absolutely right to take those bloodthirsty savages out, and I will defend his actions to the death. If that was 9/11 for the Aztecs, then I can't say as how I am disappointed by it, nor can any of the tribes who joined Cortez in order to throw off the bloodsuckers who were using them as the source for the human sacrifices.

Same goes for the Jesuits in North America, who successfully took out the pagan practices of worship that Native Americans were accustomed to undertaking: practices that included cannibalism and human sacrifice. Pagan worship tends to be bloody that way. If you see equivalence between them and Christians, between Muslims and Christians, between followers of Kali and Christians, you are stupid or blind - that's as kind as I can be while still adhering to the Truth.

14 posted on 10/31/2004 7:56:43 PM PST by skellmeyer
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There is nothing wrong with destroying pagan places of worship.

This is religious bigotry.  What a disgusting mentality.
15 posted on 10/31/2004 8:12:01 PM PST by gcruse (http://gcruse.typepad.com/)
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So, if you find the destruction of Aztec places of worship disgusting, then you support human sacrifice.

If you are pro-abortion, or otherwise a supporter of human sacrifice, then I am proud to have you call this understanding "disgusting." I will also note that, according to your own words, your intolerance will lead you to commit another 9/11.

I recommend that you be jailed immediately by the Department of Homeland Security based on your own condemnation of yourself.

16 posted on 11/01/2004 6:29:36 AM PST by skellmeyer
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