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October Surprise? The Truth Behind Kerry's Military Discharge. What's Kerry Hiding?:
Human Events Online ^ | 10/26/2004 | Lt. Col. Robert "Buzz" Patterson

Posted on 10/29/2004 2:39:07 PM PDT by arnoldknox

October Surprise? The Truth Behind Kerry's Military Discharge. What's Kerry Hiding?:

"I have nothing to hide. I want you to ask me questions." --John Kerry, Reuters, August 3, 2004

The only 180 John Kerry hasn't accomplished in his litany of flip-flops throughout his campaign is Standard Form 180, the paperwork necessary for the complete release of his military records from the Department of Defense repository.

The Kerry campaign and website continue to claim he has released all military records. In fact, they've released the few documents painting the senator in a favorable light. There are at least 100 pages, promising to be much more revealing, still unseen. Kerry controls their release. All he has to do is sign the Form 180. To date, he has refused.

It goes without saying the main stream media isn't clamoring for him to comply although they hounded President George Bush relentlessly to release his Air National Guard records. Bush, by the way, did the right thing--he signed his Form 180. Kerry has made his naval service the focal point for his election. Shouldn't we expect the war hero to open his military service to America? Where is the outrage (I ask tongue-in-cheek)? Where is the objective journalism? More realistically, what is Kerry hiding?

Thomas Lipscomb writing for the New York Sun and Geoff Metcalf of NewsMax.com have been pursuing Kerry's military record irregularities and his refusal to authorize their release tirelessly. Without Kerry's assistance, however, it will take a critical and very timely leak or we will never know the truth behind Kerry's military service in time for it to make the difference.

With true patriotism and integrity, John O'Neill and the Swifties have proven beyond any doubt that Kerry lacks the character and moral fiber to be the leader of our men and women in uniform. (As an aside, I've been touring the country with John O'Neill over the last several weeks, and I've never met a finer human being.)

The final element in Kerry's absolute failure to meet the standards our military deserves in a commander-in-chief, in this retired officer's opinion, is in the factual nature of Kerry's discharge (although I would love for some resourceful citizen find a way to republish and distribute Kerry's radical, anti-American tome The New Soldier -- which my publisher Regnery Publishing has offered to do for free -- and hand it out at the polls on November 2).

As for every veteran, the truth will be found the form DD214, the official Department of Defense document of release from military obligation given to Kerry when he exited military service on July 1, 1972. It is conspicuously absent from the documents released so far. Everyone serving in the military receives a DD214 the day they separate or retire from service. My suspicion along with a growing number of military personnel is that Kerry received an "other than honorable" discharge in the early 1970s as a consequence of his vehement anti-US, anti-military activities with the Vietnam Veterans Against the War and his potentially treasonous tête-à-têtes with North Vietnamese Communist officials in Paris. If not, let him release his records. If so, America should demand the release.

Kerry's activities during his post-war political resume building efforts are expressly prohibited by the Uniform Code of Military Justice, Article 104, Part 904; the United States Code Title 18, Section 953 (18 USC Sec. 953); and, arguably, the Constitution, Article 3, Section 3. In fact, the Constitution's 14th Amendment, Section 3 declares, "No person shall be a Senator or Representative in Congress, or elector of President and Vice-President . . . (who has) engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the same, or given aid or comfort to the enemies thereof." In another time and another place, at a minimum, Kerry would have faced courts martial. In another time and another place, Kerry would be breaking big rocks into little rocks at Fort Leavenworth, Kansas, the military penitentiary. Today, he stands on the brink of election as the leader of the free world.

Kerry has built an entire career based solely on four months in Vietnam and two years of post-war protesting. For a politician to have built so much on, and been so successful with, a foundation consisting largely of self-promotion, lies, and unpatriotic (some say treasonous) endeavors is utterly fantastic and extremely tenuous. And the Dems know it--ergo, the refusal on the part of the Kerry campaign to release the entirety of his military service records.

With what we do know, Kerry's paperwork doesn't pass the smell test. The few records so far released by his campaign identify FOUR "honorable" discharge dates (every other military member I know, myself included, received one). Kerry's released documentation notes discharges of January 3, 1970, February 16, 1978, July 13, 1978, and, most peculiarly, March 12, 2001. He has as many discharge dates as months he spent in Vietnam. In my twenty years in the Air Force and through the thousands of people I came to know and serve with, I have never heard of anyone in the military having more than one DD 214 with one discharge date. Kerry, according to his own campaign, has at least four.

There are five potential classes of discharge: Honorable, General, Other than Honorable, Bad Conduct, and Dishonorable. Why does it matter? It's the sum total of one's military service boiled down in a phrase. Most employers require former military members to attach their DD214 to their employment application. Anything other than "Honorable" is seen as a character flaw. Bad Conduct and Dishonorable obviously are causes for additional concern.

Because Kerry is submitting his employment application to the American people and might become our military's next commander in chief, we may be asking our troops to support a man who held himself to lower standards than he would demand from our 2.3 million in uniform. (This is precisely what happened under Bill Clinton's stewardship when the military prosecuted servicemen for sexual infidelity and harassment while the commander-in-chief was committing similar crimes in the Oval Office). In fact, if a former military member applies for employment with defense related industry, he is required to sign and submit Form 180. Kerry, seeking to be CEO for our nation's defense, has refused.

Here's the crux of the confusion. On February 18, 1966, Kerry obligated himself to a six-year commitment to the Navy, and to the tenets of the military judicial system, with an expiration date of July 1, 1972. On January 3, 1970, Kerry asked for, and was granted, an early transfer from his active duty service to the Naval Reserve. As a reservist, he was still under oath as a commissioned officer and subject to the Uniform Code of Military Justice. He still carried a military ID card and was still a member of the U.S. armed forces. Kerry's service commitment came to an end, as scheduled, in July, 1972. As such, a DD Form 214 with a discharge status was due.

Kerry's "honorable" discharge, though, doesn't come until February 16, 1978. Why? Possibly because President Jimmy Carter, through Proclamation 4483, granted a full and complete pardon to all military personnel who committed offenses and violations of the Military Selective Service Act during the Vietnam War. He pardoned deserters, draft dodgers and those who went absent without leave (AWOL).

Interestingly, Kerry's honorable discharge letter from the Department of the Navy, dated February 16, 1978, notes that Kerry's discharge was taken "by direction of the President" and "with the approved recommendations of a board of officers convened under the authority of reference [10 USC Sec. 1163] to examine the official records of officers of the Naval Reserve.." This is extremely unusual. Review boards are not convened for discharges and certainly not "by direction of the President." The "authority of reference," 10 USC Sec. 1163, refers to "the grounds for involuntary separation from the service." What was being reviewed, then, was Kerry's involuntary separation from the service or, more likely, the disposition of his service. This simply would not have occurred if Kerry's discharge in 1972 had been "honorable." Why did Kerry's discharge meet a board? In all likelihood, he sought relief to improve his status of discharge from "dishonorable" or "less than honorable" to "honorable." If he signed his Form 180, we'd know. If he'd release his DD214 from 1972, we'd know.

Finally, and most bizarre of all of Kerry's military records so far released is a DD 215, "Correction to DD Form 214," initiated for John Forbes Kerry on March 12, 2001. Among other things, the new form changes Kerry's official US Navy separation date to March 1, 1970! As noted earlier, he wasn't eligible for discharge until July, 1972, and was so. Why, then, the new document in 2001? Why, 29 years later, is there the need to correct or change the record?

Here's why. By moving Kerry's discharge date to early in 1970, all of Kerry's post-Vietnam activities would be theoretically exempt from military justice. By moving his discharge date to March of 1970, Kerry's meeting with the enemy, North Vietnamese Communists in Paris in May of 1970, would be exempt. His joining the Vietnam Veterans Against the War (VVAW) in June of 1970 and his radical, anti-war anti-government activities that followed would be exempt. The Winter Soldier Investigation in January, 1971, and Kerry's infamous testimony to Congress in April, 1971 would be exempt. His arrest for his protest activities in May, 1971, would be exempt. His attendance at a VVAW meeting in Kansas City where the assassination of several prominent and hawkish U.S. senators was discussed and voted on would be exempt.

Democratic presidential candidate Kerry has spent 35 years building a political career on four months in Vietnam. Apparently, he has spent 35 years covering up his post-war activities while still a member of the U.S. Navy many of which seem to be clear violations of the Constitution, US Codes, and the Uniform Code of Military Justice.

Now, he stands on the verge of becoming our commander-in-chief, responsible for the stewardship of 2.3 million men and women in uniform. A former serviceman who won't come clean on his own record intends to command our forces and enforce the standards of military justice. We've been down this path before. America deserves to know. Our troops certainly deserve to know.

All it would take is for him to sign the Form 180.


TOPICS: Editorial; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: buzzpatterson; discharge; kerry; kerrydischarge; kerrylies; kerrysecrets; military; sbv
One possible explanation for all the various "discharge dates" is that Kerry had those in positions of power to upgrade his discharge status over a period of time. Incrementalism is the Liberal's best friend. He likely would have had difficulty getting anyone to change his discharge status directly from "Dishonorable" to "Honorable", therefore he could have had his status upgraded over a period of years. Political cronies being asked for a seemingly meaningless favor would not hesitate to call in a favor for a powerful politician.

Another interesting revelation is that Clinton's Secretary of the Navy apparently backdated Kerry's official seperation date in order to pre-date his protest activities and arrest, which would have disqualified Kerry from elected office by virture of the Constitution.

1 posted on 10/29/2004 2:39:08 PM PDT by arnoldknox
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To: arnoldknox
What is John Kerry hiding? Why doesn't he sign the Standard Form 180 and release his military service and medical records to the public?

Join the petition.

http://www.SignForm180.com

2 posted on 10/29/2004 2:40:11 PM PDT by Beckwith (John Kerry, sign the Form 180 - petition at http://www.SignForm180.com)
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To: Beckwith

Why the F*** won't a reporter as Kerry why he won't sign the form?


3 posted on 10/29/2004 2:41:24 PM PDT by mrplind (The greatest threat to the United States is not "terrorism" as we know it, it's liberalism!)
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To: Beckwith

bttt


4 posted on 10/29/2004 2:41:47 PM PDT by Dante3
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To: arnoldknox

"Clinton's Secretary of the Navy apparently backdated Kerry's official seperation date in order to pre-date his protest activities and arrest, which would have disqualified Kerry from elected office by virture of the Constitution."

Even the SecNav cannot change time. He did the crime, he must serve the time: He is NOT qualified to be President -- or Senator -- and anyone testifying to that would be preventing the occurence of a felonious offense, not breaking privacy rules. Come on down now, (former) SecNav!


5 posted on 10/29/2004 2:41:59 PM PDT by AMDG&BVMH
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To: arnoldknox

It kills me, but this story isn't going to get any play in the MSM.


6 posted on 10/29/2004 2:43:53 PM PDT by Novel
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To: arnoldknox

> Bush, by the way, did the right thing--he signed his Form 180.

Strictly speaking, he did not, but what he did had the same effect.

As far as I've been able to determine, Bush issued a verbal
Presidential Order releasing his records. This order is what
permits the various court-approved FOIA fishing expeditions
still under way.

If it was a written P.O., it's not on the White House site,
last I looked.

Kerry, of course, is still stonewalling.


7 posted on 10/29/2004 2:45:29 PM PDT by Boundless (Was your voter registration sabotaged by ACORN? Check today or Monday.)
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To: arnoldknox
Until sKerry puts his signature on the line to release form 180 this is all speculation, probably true but speculation.

If this man can get elected by Lying about and then Hiding his history, as you have probably heard before "Man you ain't seen nothing yet"!

8 posted on 10/29/2004 2:46:03 PM PDT by rocksblues (Sorry John, we remember and will never forget your treason!)
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To: arnoldknox
Great article...
You stated that many employers ask for DD214 when a veteran applies for a job. Just wondering if we know of any jobs that sKerry had right after discharge (even govt work) that might have this record in their files. I don't have great search skills, but maybe one of you pajama clad bloggers could find something...man would that be an October surprise or what!!!
9 posted on 10/29/2004 2:49:04 PM PDT by WIright
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To: arnoldknox

http://www.freekerrybook.com/


10 posted on 10/29/2004 2:50:45 PM PDT by wolicy_ponk (Kerry, follow me no closer than 1000 yards, or I'll teach you what a real purple heart is. -T.Peck)
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To: wolicy_ponk

Oops above post is site featuring Kerry's book "The New American Soldier" in PDF for FREE. The article mentioned something about making it availible for free, it already is...


11 posted on 10/29/2004 2:53:05 PM PDT by wolicy_ponk (Kerry, follow me no closer than 1000 yards, or I'll teach you what a real purple heart is. -T.Peck)
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To: Beckwith

In an interview, just beginning to get some limited play last night, with Tom BrokenJaw, the lying anchorperson for NBC, Kerry states very clearly that all of his military records have not been release. Listen real careful to BrokenJaw's questions.


12 posted on 10/29/2004 2:54:57 PM PDT by NewEnglander
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To: arnoldknox

God help us if we get someone with a dishonorable discharge in the Presidency. What a disgrace to even have him as a Senator.


13 posted on 10/29/2004 2:56:33 PM PDT by BonnieJ
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To: mrplind

Because 99% of "reporters" don't want to put a crimp in his campaign. They want to see a traitor as President of the country he betrayed, because re shares their communist leanings. It's that simple.


14 posted on 10/29/2004 2:58:30 PM PDT by CharliefromKS
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To: arnoldknox
The only 180 John Kerry hasn't accomplished in his litany of flip-flops throughout his campaign is Standard Form 180...

Great line.

15 posted on 10/29/2004 2:58:56 PM PDT by scripter (Tens of thousands have left the homosexual lifestyle)
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To: arnoldknox
You see the dwindling number of yellow-shirted "Firefighters for Kerry" at the Kerry campaiogn stops? Each and every one of them who was a vet had to submit Form DD214 to become a firefighter. The highest public-service job in the world (POTUS) should require production of Form DD214. By the way, MANY union firehouses have cars parked behind them with "Firefighters for Bush" signs on them.
16 posted on 10/29/2004 3:00:35 PM PDT by SERKIT ("Blazing Saddles" explains it all.....)
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To: arnoldknox

ping


17 posted on 10/29/2004 3:18:44 PM PDT by NavVet (“Benedict Arnold was wounded in battle fighting for America, but no one remembers him for that.”)
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To: NavVet

This was a good article, but the proof is coming tomorrow from Tom Lipscomb and NavyChief. At least that's the rumor.


18 posted on 10/29/2004 3:20:46 PM PDT by rocklobster11
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To: arnoldknox
Colonel Patterson wrote "Apparently...clear violations of the Constitution, US Codes, and the Uniform Code of Military Justice."

The delusional Mr. Kerry seems to believe that these little issues about his (apparent) dishonorable removal from our military will just go away once he assumes office. They will not.

I'm thinking that if Mr. Kerry (shudder) were to win, then impeachment proceedings could begin the day he is (ugh) sworn in.

19 posted on 10/29/2004 3:53:20 PM PDT by Seaplaner (Never give in. Never give in. Never...except to convictions of honour and good sense. W. Churchill)
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To: mrplind

A reporter would ask him...but he won't allow himself to be interviewed on FOX News (now it's becoming clear!)


20 posted on 10/29/2004 3:57:21 PM PDT by Hotdog
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To: arnoldknox

Looks like kerry sees the USA as his Jaunita Brodrick!


21 posted on 10/29/2004 4:03:31 PM PDT by Waco
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To: WIright
Just wondering if we know of any jobs that sKerry had right after discharge (even govt work) that might have this record in their files.

Excellent point. Kerry earned his JD at Boston College Law School in 1976 and was was admitted to the Massachusetts Bar later that year. Now I do not know about Massachusetts but in California, in order to become a member of the bar, you must pass a "Determination of Moral Character." This involves a huge application 27 pages long. Page 17 states "If you are now separated from military service, attach a copy of DD Form 214 to the application."

Concievably the Massachusetts Bar has information on this, as well as the Middlesex County District Attorney's Office where he first worked. Fat chance of either of them cooperating on this though.

22 posted on 10/29/2004 6:24:23 PM PDT by atomic_dog
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To: arnoldknox

http://www.c-span.org/classroom/govt/rwh032804.asp

Click the "A November 6, 1971 interview with John Kerry on protesting the war in Vietnam. (10 min.)" link.

At the 2:54 mark, there is this interchange;

Moderator: Was there ever any question about you being dishonorably discharged?

Kerry: No, no that has never been questioned.


23 posted on 10/29/2004 6:25:34 PM PDT by swilhelm73 (We've found more WMDs in Iraq than we've found disenfranchised blacks in Florida. --Ann Coulter)
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To: Beckwith
I think it was medical/psychiatric. Isn't it obvious that the man is a nut-case.
24 posted on 10/29/2004 6:31:16 PM PDT by reg45
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To: Seaplaner
Don't see that ever happening.

Impeachment refers to high crimes and misdemeanors while serving as POTUS, not those things that occurred before taking the oath.
25 posted on 10/29/2004 6:32:07 PM PDT by bill1952 ("All that we do is done with an eye towards something else.")
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To: mrplind

I think you know the answer to that one.


26 posted on 10/29/2004 7:32:00 PM PDT by satchmodog9 (Murder and weather are our only news)
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To: bill1952
You are undoubtedly correct, sir.

My line of reasoning was that if it could be demonstrated that Mr. Kerry had "...engaged in insurrection or rebellion..." or had "... given aid or comfort to the enemies...", then the act of being sworn in would constitute a high crime.

I'm sure that a skillful JAG or constitutional attorney would take a different tactic.
27 posted on 10/29/2004 9:14:14 PM PDT by Seaplaner (Never give in. Never give in. Never...except to convictions of honour and good sense. W. Churchill)
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To: rocklobster11
This was a good article, but the proof is coming tomorrow from Tom Lipscomb and NavyChief. At least that's the rumor.

Might as well forget it. Its going to be all Osama 24/7 this weekend.

28 posted on 10/29/2004 9:15:57 PM PDT by Terp (Retired living in Philippines were the Mountains meet the Sea in the Land of Smiles)
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To: Terp
Proof of OTH discharge will get press. From NavyChief tonite:

Do you trust me?

What I posted earlier about Kerry's discharge is coming.

- Chief


29 posted on 10/29/2004 9:20:29 PM PDT by rocklobster11
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To: rocklobster11

hope so..or else it could be too late


30 posted on 10/29/2004 9:26:43 PM PDT by icecold
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To: rocklobster11
Proof of OTH discharge will get press.

The only way its going to get play with the MSM at this point in time is if the words "I got got an OTH Discharge from the Navy" came straight from Kerry's own lips.

31 posted on 10/29/2004 9:28:29 PM PDT by Terp (Retired living in Philippines were the Mountains meet the Sea in the Land of Smiles)
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To: Terp

SEE THIS THREAD ASAP! NAVY CHIEF IS CALLING ALL HANDS ON DECK!
http://www2.swiftvets.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=15238&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0


32 posted on 10/29/2004 9:30:12 PM PDT by REDWOOD99
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To: atomic_dog

"Determiation of Moral Character" ??

To become a lawyer ?????


33 posted on 10/29/2004 9:33:25 PM PDT by RightWingNut
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To: arnoldknox

PLEASE PASS THE WORD

If YOU WANT TO HELP CHIEF PETTY OFFICER JENKINS

CHIEF IS THE MAN WHO'S WORKED SO HARD AT UNCOVERING
THE "FACTS" ABOUT JFnK AND HIS CONNECTIONS TO HANOI,
HIS AWARDS AND HIS DISCHARGE

MEET HIM IN DC ON SUNDAY. WE NEED EVERY POSSIBLE
AMERICAN DETERMINED TO MAKE THE MSM & CONGRESS
LISTEN TO THIS URGENT INFORMATION.

VETS, ACTIVE {not in uniform please} CIVILIANS---EVERYONE!!!
THE IRON'S HOT & IT'S TIME TO SET THE RECORD STRAIGHT.


34 posted on 10/29/2004 10:05:21 PM PDT by 2ndamendsis
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To: arnoldknox; All
There's more you can do!

Highly regarded 'The Federalist'  website has submitted a petition to Congress and the Attorney General with 180,000 signers on October 18th for action after the election. Since then over 6,500 additional have signed.

Petition to Investigate and Indict John F. Kerry for acts of treason

Signers: 186519

Though John Kerry has an extensive and well-documented record of anti-American activities over the past three decades, it is his acts of treason in 1970-71 that are the subject of this petition for indictment. Our appeal notes both Kerry's violations of the UCMJ (Article 104 part 904) and U.S. Code (18 USC Sec. 2381 and 18 USC Sec. 953), and calls for his disqualification for public office in accordance with the Constitution's Fourteenth Amendment, Section 3, which states: "No person shall be a Senator or Representative in Congress, or elector of President and Vice-President ... having previously taken an oath ... to support the Constitution of the United States, [who has] engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the same, or given aid or comfort to the enemies thereof."

Why prosecute John Kerry now? In October 2003, Mr. Kerry chose to make his Vietnam war record the centerpiece of his campaign for the presidency; this has been especially true since his primary victory in March 2004. In response, more than 165,000 signatories of the above-referenced petition for indictment have made his war record the centerpiece of their campaign to disqualify Kerry from public office. We understand that no action is likely to be taken on this petition until after the 02 November election. Be it known, however, that on 03 November, we will seek full recourse in an effort to have John Kerry prosecuted for acts of treason and disqualified from any future campaign for any national office. We are thus committed to holding Mr. Kerry accountable for his actions, as there is no statute of limitations for acts of treason.

(More at the site)   http://patriotpetitions.us/

Pass it on to others!

35 posted on 10/30/2004 12:42:43 AM PDT by AWestCoaster
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To: arnoldknox

bump


36 posted on 10/30/2004 7:34:06 AM PDT by meema
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To: arnoldknox

Detailed analysis of Kerry discharge now online at

http://www.vetsforbush.net/kerry-oth-discharge.pdf


37 posted on 11/01/2004 1:05:41 AM PST by mindwest
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To: atomic_dog

They might not cooperate willingly, but its possible that the review process is a matter of public record, particularly at the District Attorney's Office. They may not have a choice!


38 posted on 11/01/2004 7:36:04 AM PST by arnoldknox
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