Posted on 10/29/2004 7:30:46 PM PDT by 2thfxr
Interview with Troy Jenkins
I recently had the pleasure to discuss the newly found Vietnam documents with Chief Petty Officer Troy Jenkins
Agreed, what will people think of such last minute stories?
I think this will have no legs.
Meeting with and negotiating FOR the enemy at a time of war while still and officer in the Navy. VERY BAD!
Good point D&T. Did the amnesty program change the OERs as well as the type of Discharge? Those records are being held because truth is not a friend to John F Kerry. We have a right to know that far exceeds his right to privacy. I have the right to know as a US Citizen whether or not a man running for the Presidency is qualified for the job.
Chief has been researching this for some time. The word has just come down very recently. The timing is real- it's the UN. We'd love to have had ti sooner.
He can be pardoned. YOu might not put him in jail. He still did it, but he ought not be the darned President.
This would explain the reissuance of an honorable discharge years later when Kerry became a Senator, but it would not explain the reissuance of the medals.
I don't recall that an OTH strips a person of his medals.
On the other hand, if Kerry's medals were not typed onto his DD-214 at the time of his OTH, perhaps as a calculated administrative slap at him by the folks preparing it (what was he going to do about it? Come back onto active duty and subject himself to the military again in order to try and correct his discharge certificate? Expose himself to charges of perjury or consorting with the enemy as the military retaliated?
Of course I have absolutely no information at all about Kerry's record, but when I think of a hypothetical that would have him getting an OTH converted to an Honorable Discharge AND getting medals reinstated which should not have been removed in an OTH, I expect that the original medals removal was probably the result of an abuse of process by his chain of command deleting the medals from his discharge papers as a slap at him. It happens.
An AR 635-212, I think.
As a note only a dishonourable discharge is considered a felony conviction in most states.
I think Carter provided a blanket pardon to all protestors/draft dodgers,etc., so the only issue in my mind is that it would reflect badly on him with the public to have had an Other than Honorable Discharge and to have tried to hide it from the public.
DOD has Kerry's service folder containing 100 pages of military records. Other records and files (which are probably referenced in his service folder) are probably held by ONI and the FBI. In the records may be dispensations from Carter in '78 and Clinton in 2001.
I think Kerry appealed, delayed and dodged prosecution for violations of the UCMJ, using the political influence and support of cronys for decades.
I suspect Clinton pardoned him in 2001, the date year of his last Honorable Discharge, some 29 years after Kerry's original service contract was to expire.
With a (secret or unpublished) pardon, Kerry has a clean slate.
I have seen nothing, but a non-denial denial from a former SECNAV.
I had hope it would be public by this past Thursday for the news cycles to chew up.
Kerry had two angels- Fulbright and Kennedy. They seems to kept it from being worse.
The Editor The Wall Street journal Dear Sir/Madame: As a graduate of the Yale class of 1966, I resent the self-serving lies and misrepresentations advanced by my classmate John Kerry. Herewith, a few corrections: John Kerry has been using the Pershing name to dramatize his Vietnam experience, claiming to have been a close friend of Richard Pershing, the grandson of General (Black Jack) Pershing. Richard Pershing was a member of the Yale class of 1966, and he was killed in Vietnam shortly after we graduated. However, Kerry's constant references to his 'dearest' friend are exaggerated and exploitative. In fact, Dick Pershing and I roomed together for all 4 years at Yale. I don't remember John Kerry ever being in our room or even being a particular favorite of Dick's. In this regard, it is particularly revealing that a recent biography of General Pershing, Until The Last Trumpet Sounds (by Gene Smith), includes an entire chapter on Dick, primarily on his years at Yale; the name John Kerry does not appear. The Pershing Family did know Kerry, but they disliked him intensely. This antipathy stemmed primarily from an incident at the Pershing home on Park Avenue not long after Dick's death: at a gathering of friends and family, Kerry worked the room with his anti-Vietnam message, incurring the undying enmity of Mr. and Mrs. Pershing and Dick's older brother Jack, a Green Beret. The family was shocked and insulted by Kerry's insensitivity. Kerry has implied - as recently as the first Presidential debate -that he became disillusioned about Vietnam by his military experience. However, as early as 1965, in his Junior year at Yale, he was giving anti-war speeches; and his Class Day Oration in 1966 - prior to graduation - criticized American involvement in Vietnam. These sentiments clearly antedated his Vietnam experience. So why did he join the Navy? He told some classmates that it would help his career. The above pattern suggests a callous and opportunistic personality. Hardly what I would call Presidential. David Schlossberg, MD Yale '66 ****************
Kerry was anit-war before he ever went to Vietnam and it casts his behavior there in an interesting light
Here Are the Discharge Categories:
1. Honorable
1a. Medical Under Honerable
2. General Under Honorable
3. Other Than Honorable...formerly called "Undesireable"
4. Dishonerable
An Other Than Honerable Discharge is NOT a Dishonorable Discharge! Get & Keep Your Facts Straight...do not stray onto the corrupt path of the Liberal Eggheads.
Who is expected to pick the story up and run with it?
Who will listen?
I did when I was younger. You spray 4 coats of Urethane clear on it. Let it dry 3 days. Buff it out, and then polish it.
Without alot of pressure.
I am really surprised that some enterprising "journalist" from the National Enquirer, or Globe, or other supermarket rag hasn't simply forged his signature and gotten the goodies released.
"I suspect Clinton pardoned him in 2001, the date year of his last Honorable Discharge, some 29 years after Kerry's original service contract was to expire."
I wonder if it is possible to find out of Kerry ever claimed to have an Honorable Discharge before 2001. I think I heard that his military record has come up before in other elections. If so, and he addressed the issue, did he actually claim to have the HD? if not, why not.
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