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New York Times analysis: [Libertarian] Badnarik's impact could be 'critical'
LP ^ | 10/29/04 | NY Times via LP.org

Posted on 10/29/2004 8:50:48 PM PDT by freedom44

WASHINGTON -- Move over, Ralph Nader: A New York Times analysis says that Libertarian candidate Michael Badnarik could be 'critical' to the outcome of the 2004 election, and that the party's 2000 candidate may have cost Bush at least four states.

In the Sunday, October 24 "Political Points" column, New York Times writer John Tierney asserts that in 2000, Bush "could have won Florida easily, and possibly several other states, if the Libertarian candidate, Harry Browne, was not in the race," assuming that Browne's votes would have gone to Bush.

In Florida, Browne earned 16,415 votes, while Bush defeated Al Gore by just 537 votes.

In three states won by Gore -- New Mexico, Oregon and Wisconsin -- Browne won more votes than the difference separating Bush and Gore, the article notes. In New Mexico, for example, Gore prevailed by 366 votes while Browne earned 2,058, and in Wisconsin, Gore beat Bush by 5,708 votes while Browne garnered 6,640.

With New Mexico, Wisconsin and other battleground states too close to call again in 2004, Libertarian Badnarik has the potential to "Naderize" Bush by attracting conservative votes, according to Tierney and other analysts.

A recent Zogby/Reuters national poll shows Badnarik tied with Nader at 1 percentage point, which is "not much, but possibly critical" to the outcome on Election Day, Tierney says.

Rasmussen polls have put Badnarik as high as 5 percent in New Mexico and 3 percent in Nevada, which Bush won by just 4 percentage points in 2000.

Increasing Badnarik's impact, according to Tierney: "Unlike Mr. Nader, Mr. Badnarik is on the ballot of every battleground state except New Hampshire."

Nader will be absent from the ballot in Ohio, Pennsylvania, Arizona, Oregon, Missouri and other key states, prompting many analysts to predict that Badnarik will have a bigger impact on Bush than Nader will have on Democrat John Kerry.

In an attempt to attract votes from fiscal conservatives, the Libertarian Party has launched an advertising blitz on the conservative Fox News Channel -- a campaign that is "aimed directly at Mr. Bush's Republican base," notes the Times article.

Responds Joseph Seehusen, executive director of the Libertarian Party: "Fiscal conservatives aren't abandoning the Republican Party; the Republican Party has abandoned fiscal conservatives. Bush has fattened up the government far more in percentage terms than Bill Clinton did, and responsible voters don't want to reward that behavior. So they're sending a message by voting Libertarian."


TOPICS: Culture/Society; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: badnarik; biggovernmentbush; hugegovernmentbush; libertarianizethegop; loosertatians; thirdparty
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To: clee1

oh, I didn't say that the MSM would be effective in their efforts. If that were the case, the Republicans would have lost the House and Senate long ago.

As for the early voting results. I have read stuff that goes both ways, i.e. Kerry is ahead, Bush is ahead. Who the hell knows.

By the way, does anyone know where I can make book on what the 60 Minutes story will be. I want to place $100.00 that it is about Bush sleeping with Sheep. Either that, or Bush personally stole every soldiers MRE's before they went to Iraq, or Bush invested heavily in Big Baby Wipes and sent the troops to fight in the desert knowing that Baby Wipes would be at a premium.


41 posted on 10/29/2004 9:12:20 PM PDT by FlipWilson
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To: montag813
Not insanity, just plain hatred. Libertarians hate pubs because they have the power and they aren't what they want them to be. If the Libertarian Party had one ounce of brain power it would withhold it's criticism of the pubs and then broker a deal prior to the election and get one or two things it wants in exchange for endorsement. This way they could slowly build their base as a party of principle while leveraging whatever strength they have at the polls.

As it is, Badnarik has to endorse Bush to suppress conservative revulsion if Bush loses, and what does he get for it? Nothing, absolutely nothing. What a bunch of asswipes.
42 posted on 10/29/2004 9:15:56 PM PDT by Bob J (Rightalk.com...coming soon!)
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To: freedom44

They wish.


43 posted on 10/29/2004 9:15:56 PM PDT by Soul Seeker
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To: aft_lizard

"I saw the first libertarian commercial of the season today in phoenix"

A libertarian ad has been running in Ohio, seen it several times. It is a pure attack ad against President Bush.

If these infantile, arrogant, anti-American chckens**t punk spoiler bst&rds cost us Ohio, I will definitely lose all respect for them, and my sense of humor as well.


44 posted on 10/29/2004 9:23:05 PM PDT by hinckley buzzard
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To: freedom44

In your dreams New York Times; in your dreams.


45 posted on 10/29/2004 9:24:17 PM PDT by no dems (NICE GUYS FINISH LAST. GET RADICAL !!!)
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To: Bob J
...If the Libertarian Party had one ounce of brain power it would withhold it's criticism of the pubs and then broker a deal prior to the election and get one or two things it wants in exchange for endorsement...

I think the Libertarian platform is more condusive to pulling in conservative democrats and possibly even the moderates than being very appealing to even moderate republicns. This is where the party should focus it's attention. Especially after these elections. The Dems will be in upheaval when the smoke clears and they've lost terribly in both the executive and legistative elections. Hey Bidnarick let's go for the smart dem's and put that party in the history books.
46 posted on 10/29/2004 9:25:05 PM PDT by phoenix0468 (One man with courage is a majority. (Thomas Jefferson))
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To: FlipWilson

Call Vegas - the Binions Horseshoe Casino; they'll take a bet on anything. :)


47 posted on 10/29/2004 9:33:33 PM PDT by clee1 (Islam is a deadly plague; liberalism is the AIDS virus that prevents us from defending ourselves.)
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To: Stonedog

Legalize it is about the ONLY thing the Libertarians have right!


48 posted on 10/29/2004 9:34:52 PM PDT by freedom44
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To: clee1

If Buchannan wasn't in the race ....

If Nader wasn't in the race ...

If pigs could fly ...

Every libertarian I have seen here would have stayed home if not for the LP so the vote margins would not have changed.


49 posted on 10/29/2004 9:36:29 PM PDT by WildTurkey
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To: WildTurkey

I support alot of the Libertarian platform ideals, however:

1) In order to live up to the ideals, first you have to live.

2) Isolationism has NEVER worked; post 9-11 it could be fatal.

3) I won't vote Libertarian (for President) until the party actually runs a reasonable, rational candidate.

4) They can stay home if they want to, or vote for Badnarik if they choose; won't make a bit of difference.


50 posted on 10/29/2004 9:42:17 PM PDT by clee1 (Islam is a deadly plague; liberalism is the AIDS virus that prevents us from defending ourselves.)
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To: FlipWilson
I've seen the schedule. 60Lies will do a story Sunday about how the troops in Iraq don't have enough fully armored vehicles.
51 posted on 10/29/2004 9:42:59 PM PDT by KingKongCobra
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To: freedom44

Who?


52 posted on 10/29/2004 9:43:30 PM PDT by HitmanLV (I will not be pushed, filed, stamped, indexed, briefed, debriefed or numbered. My life is my own.)
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To: Callahan

IMHO, the NYT article could very well help Bush.

The coin has two sides. If a Libertarian thinks his vote could help Kerry to beat Bush, one could assume that a Libertarian may very well not waste his vote, especially in light of the 2000 election.


53 posted on 10/29/2004 9:46:35 PM PDT by not2worry (What goes around comes around!)
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To: freedom44
Libertarian Badnarik has the potential to "Naderize" Bush by attracting conservative votes, according to Tierney and other analysts.

Hard core libertarians would never vote for any republican or democrat. If a libertarian isn't on the ballot, they'll write in "the US Constitution" or whatever.

If a republican loses in a 3-way race with a libertarian it's their own fault. They were never going to get those votes anyway.

If conservatives vote libertarian, I don't think a republican would ever have got that vote either.

Assuming libertarians draw off GOP votes is hogwash. Blaming libertarians for GOP losses is shirking responsibility.

54 posted on 10/29/2004 10:11:16 PM PDT by Ceebass
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To: freedom44

Are there ANY requirements for being a writer for the New York Times besides having a ballpoint pen and a notebook?


55 posted on 10/29/2004 10:51:16 PM PDT by willyboyishere
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To: steplock
There are MANY Libertarians in Arkansas - Maybe it is time that the republican party gets back to its roots and quit acting like a bunch of prima-donna democrats with thirsty wallets.

The Republican Party flacks (and FR 'bots) get really pissed off every time it's pointed out what a bunch of big-spending, big-government, budget-busting hacks they've become, once in charge.

56 posted on 10/29/2004 10:57:01 PM PDT by Hank Rearden (Never allow anyone who could only get a government job attempt to tell you how to run your life.)
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To: freedom44

In the Gray Lady's dreams.


57 posted on 10/29/2004 10:59:30 PM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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To: freedom44

The only person I personally know who is voting for Badnarick I culled off of Kerry's teat.


58 posted on 10/29/2004 11:00:41 PM PDT by eyespysomething (Idealism is fine, but as it approaches reality the cost becomes prohibitive.)
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To: Hank Rearden

This is an absolutely critical election. Maybe the libertarians ought to consider the real-life ramifications of their actions for once, instead of bitching about the only people willing to stand up to terrorists - THE REPUBLICANS.


59 posted on 10/29/2004 11:04:52 PM PDT by DaughterOfAnIwoJimaVet (Praying for President Bush and VP Cheney. Praying for the Favre family.)
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To: DaughterOfAnIwoJimaVet
So why can't Republicans fight terrorists and do what the hell they've been promising to do for decades? Nobody seems to want to address that question.

Why did the Republican Party simply turn into the other Big Stupid Government, free-spending party once getting control of everything? And why has it ceased even pretending to care about doing anything to rein in government?

Saying "vote for us now, and maybe we'll be good in the future" is getting awfully lame. Now it's come down to "vote for us, or the terrorists will kill you".

That's America?

60 posted on 10/29/2004 11:08:01 PM PDT by Hank Rearden (Never allow anyone who could only get a government job attempt to tell you how to run your life.)
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