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'I don't think I can stay if Bush wins' - US Celebs.
National Post/The Daily Telegraph (Canada) ^ | 11/1/2004 | Catherine Elsworth

Posted on 11/01/2004 5:45:25 AM PST by SolutionsOnly

Some left-leaning Californians say they would rather leave the United States -- and go to Canada or elsewhere -- than stay with George W. Bush as president.

''I certainly don't love the climate of Vancouver, but I love the sanity,'' said Steve Crawford, 54, a singer and actor working as a volunteer at the Democratic Party offices in Santa Monica.

He and his wife, Karen, have been investigating selling their home in Pacific Palisades, an upmarket area close to the coast, and moving to Canada.

''For someone like me, if this happens, I can't in good conscience allow myself to support another Bush government, even benignly. And a lot of other people are saying the same.

''I have a good friend who is adamant he will leave if Bush is re-elected. He's picked two countries and will definitely go to one should this happen.''

In the heavily Democratic state, famous for its Hollywood- and San Francisco-inspired latte liberal politics, such talk has become increasingly common at Starbucks and at dinner parties.

At first, the threat was little more than a joke. Now, on the eve of one of the most polarized elections in recent history, some say they really do intend to leave should ''the worst'' occur.

There seems little doubt Californians will deliver the state's valuable 55 electoral votes to the Democratic candidate. In a poll on Friday, Mr. Kerry had a seven-point lead statewide, with a 24-point lead in Los Angeles county and a 35-point lead in the San Francisco Bay area.

But fear at what may happen in the key swing states of Ohio, Florida and Pennsylvania has led to an escalation in coffee-shop chatter about emigration to Canada, Britain and elsewhere.

''Do you think Great Britain would give us political asylum?'' a woman in Starbucks asked. ''It's just ... I don't think I can stay if Bush wins again.''

Mr. Crawford said it would be a difficult decision to move his nine-year-old son from his elementary school. ''But if I feel he's going to be living in an environment that's not safe for him, then I will do it. First and foremost I'm a dad.''

Gretchen Witte, 35, from Alhambra, east of Los Angeles, who runs her own Internet business, is making plans to move to London, where she previously lived for eight years, should Mr. Bush win.

''As a woman, the current climate is becoming intolerable. Bush has just appointed a man to the FDA reproductive health panel who believes that women with medical trouble should pray to Jesus for relief. If this is what America is becoming, I cannot live here. The only reason I can sleep at night is the thought that I can leave the country if he wins.''

Robert Boleyn, a 35-year-old independent consultant from Los Angeles, says he hears people ''all the time' 'saying they will emigrate if Mr. Bush wins.

''But I think it's often more a measure of frustration with the last four years than a real intention to leave,'' he added.

Voluntary exile as a political statement is nothing new. Democrat-supporting celebrities have a habit of making (usually empty) threats to leave should the election not go their way. Robert Redford, a vocal critic of Mr. Bush's policies, was reported this month to have vowed to move to Ireland, where he owns homes near Dublin, if Mr. Bush is re-elected. Before the 2000 poll, Alec Baldwin's then wife, Kim Basinger, told Germany's Focus magazine the actor ''might leave the country if Bush is elected ... and then I'd probably have to go, too.'' Mr. Baldwin did not leave.

The only public figure to carry out his promise was Pierre Salinger, the White House press secretary during the Kennedy administration, who died last month. Before the 2000 election, he said: ''If Bush wins, I'm going to leave the country and spend the rest of my life in France.'' He did.


TOPICS: Canada; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: canada; hollyweird; jgarofalotheflag; liberals; radicalleftists; rats; socialists
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To: SolutionsOnly
Now that's some good news! I pray these liberals will leave, give up their citizenship and not look back

151 posted on 11/01/2004 10:03:22 AM PST by Agitate (littlegreenfootballs.com/weblog -Jihadwatch.org -Protestwarrior.com -Congress.org -ACLJ.org)
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To: SolutionsOnly

Exactly, I wish they had left last time! Makes life better for us when socialist limo liberals leave for another country.


152 posted on 11/01/2004 10:13:41 AM PST by GodBlessUSA (Support, Prayers and Thanks to our Troops!)
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To: SolutionsOnly

Cool, make like a hockey player and get the puck out of here.


153 posted on 11/01/2004 10:41:35 AM PST by Delbert
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To: SolutionsOnly
The only reason I can sleep at night is the thought that I can leave the country if he wins.

You mean that people don't stay in Cuba because they love it there? Funny, the left always seems to forget the prohibition on travel in these communist 'paradises'.

154 posted on 11/01/2004 11:47:56 AM PST by weegee (George Soros has probably spent more on this election that many rock stars make in a year.)
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To: mhking
They didn't leave when he won last time like they promised. I'm thinking they might not be sincere. </sarcasm>
155 posted on 11/01/2004 11:59:08 AM PST by anonymous_user (JOhn KErry for President?)
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To: SolutionsOnly

Memo to US Celebs:

G.T.F.O.

Figure it out. By the way, if you don't get the acronym, or understand the meaning, you're out of luck.

Okay, I've given you three of the four words!!!!


156 posted on 11/01/2004 12:15:14 PM PST by Christian4Bush (John Kerry betrayed this country as a young man, he WOULD betray it again as POTUS. Don't let him!)
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To: SolutionsOnly

Most of them didn't keep that promise last time, there's no way they will keep it this time. Hollywood Dimmocrats have no integrity.


157 posted on 11/01/2004 12:16:52 PM PST by Tamar1973 ("John Kerry: Betraying America (and Israel) Since 1971!"--Ann Coulter)
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To: SolutionsOnly

You notice that none of these liberals are clamoring to move to such commie paradises as Cuba or China. Wonder why, eh?


158 posted on 11/01/2004 12:20:03 PM PST by Tamar1973 ("John Kerry: Betraying America (and Israel) Since 1971!"--Ann Coulter)
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To: SolutionsOnly

Is this our REWARD for reelecting George Bush? BONUS!


159 posted on 11/01/2004 12:24:16 PM PST by elizabetty
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To: SolutionsOnly

Still waiting for the last crazy bunch of H'weirdos to leave. Don't let the door slap you on the a** on your way out either.


160 posted on 11/01/2004 12:24:19 PM PST by lilylangtree (Veni, Vidi, Vici)
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To: FrankRepublican
1600 people died in Montreal's hospitals in 2003 due to dirty conditions which created fatal nfections

That's an interesting statistic . Given that there were 7,000 infections involving Clostridium difficile from April of 2003 to April of 2004. More than 600 of those cases were fatal .

You might want to consider this ,

09 Aug 2004

An average of 195,000 people in the USA died due to potentially preventable, in-hospital medical errors in each of the years 2000, 2001 and 2002, according to a new study of 37 million patient records that was released today by HealthGrades, the healthcare quality company.

http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/medicalnews.php?newsid=11856

161 posted on 11/01/2004 12:26:28 PM PST by Snowyman
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To: SolutionsOnly

''I have a good friend who is adamant he will leave if Bush is re-elected. He's picked two countries and will definitely go to one should this happen.''

Promises, promises. Wish they would follow through for once.


162 posted on 11/01/2004 12:29:37 PM PST by blitzgig
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To: SolutionsOnly

''Do you think Great Britain would give us political asylum?'' a woman in Starbucks asked.<<<


political asylum? For what? This woman needs an INSANE ASYLUM!


163 posted on 11/01/2004 12:49:29 PM PST by hushpad
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To: Proud Conservative2
Roger that ~ Bump!

~~ Bush/Cheney 2004 ~~

164 posted on 11/01/2004 12:52:41 PM PST by blackie (Be Well~Be Armed~Be Safe~Molon Labe!)
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To: SolutionsOnly

Ok, Ok then, Bye-Bye.

165 posted on 11/01/2004 1:11:31 PM PST by LivingNet
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To: SolutionsOnly

I'm hoping that they don't follow on their promise. Their arrival makes things much more difficult for Conservatives to get elect.

Great how many more are coming here to ruin our country more.(rolling my eyes and sarcastic)


166 posted on 11/01/2004 1:29:52 PM PST by youngtory ("The tired, old, corrupt Liberal party is cornered like an angry rat"-Stephen Harper)
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To: SolutionsOnly
Wow.

I'd offer to help 'em pack, if they're serious.

167 posted on 11/01/2004 1:31:37 PM PST by LincolnLover (Useless Vanities and Reposts--The Bane of an Admin Moderator's Existence!)
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To: SolutionsOnly

So who in this article is a celebrity?


168 posted on 11/01/2004 1:32:51 PM PST by Aeronaut (This is no ordinary time. And George W. Bush is no ordinary leader." --George Pataki)
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To: Don Simmons

Sir, I honor your service and like your plan for the (two) future(s).


169 posted on 11/01/2004 1:36:26 PM PST by Aeronaut (This is no ordinary time. And George W. Bush is no ordinary leader." --George Pataki)
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To: Aeronaut

Robert Redford was the mose prominent name mentioned.

You've heard of him before, haven't you?


170 posted on 11/01/2004 1:52:01 PM PST by SolutionsOnly
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To: SolutionsOnly
Robert Redford was the mose prominent name mentioned.

You've heard of him before, haven't you?

Didn't he used to be an actor?

171 posted on 11/01/2004 2:02:09 PM PST by Aeronaut (This is no ordinary time. And George W. Bush is no ordinary leader." --George Pataki)
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To: SolutionsOnly

BTW... Redford's picture is there, but I didn't see his name in the text.


172 posted on 11/01/2004 2:03:49 PM PST by Aeronaut (This is no ordinary time. And George W. Bush is no ordinary leader." --George Pataki)
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To: SolutionsOnly

Late to read this thread, but I imagine there would be plenty of Freepers who would be more than happy to help them all pack and might even drive them to the airport. Some Realtors possibly waive their commission if it would get them out of the country quicker?


173 posted on 11/01/2004 2:07:02 PM PST by Billie (On November 2nd, there is only one clear choice. "W" is for winner!)
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To: Billie

If Kerry wins.. I'm moving to Belize!


174 posted on 11/01/2004 2:10:59 PM PST by grannie9
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To: Snowyman
"POTENTIALLY" preventable in-hospital medical errors is light years away from actual no-doubt-this-was-the-cause type of errors. Remember Health Grades has a marketing dog in that particular hunt.

In Quebec it was a clear case, not of potential errors, but of dirty instruments and practices. Nothing to do with errors. Everything to do with don't give a damn incompetence.

In Quebec there was no doubt, (except the strong feeling that with the extraordinary lengths the Provincial and Federal Governments went, to try to hush up the scandal) that the 600 figure is probably low.

Comparing Quebec and HealthGrades is all apples and oranges.

But if the pitch is for a national health system, I would invite any proponent to go live, not visit, live, in Canada or England for a few months and do their own survey.

It will be enjoyable if you like horror stories.
175 posted on 11/01/2004 2:12:58 PM PST by Westerby (He who does not learn from history, is condemned to repeat it.)
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To: SolutionsOnly

oh, man, would that be great or what. A MASS migration of liberal LA/SF inhabitants moving out. And I don't even care where.... just OUT. Fantastic.


176 posted on 11/01/2004 2:14:14 PM PST by Hi Heels (Proud to be a Pajamarazzi. Flush Fluffy and Stuffy.)
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To: SolutionsOnly

I'm thinking that after Bush wins, we need to change our signs and bumper stickers to this:

YOU SAID YOU WERE LEAVING IF HE WON. NEED HELP PACKING?


177 posted on 11/01/2004 2:17:31 PM PST by Hi Heels (Proud to be a Pajamarazzi. Flush Fluffy and Stuffy.)
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To: SolutionsOnly
I'd be ecstatic would this were true but I know how much the left lies so I'll take it as more hyperbolic drivel.
178 posted on 11/01/2004 2:20:25 PM PST by gorush (Exterminate the Moops!)
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To: Puppage

Anyway we can arrange a special airlift for these looney tooney libs from Hollywierd????


179 posted on 11/01/2004 2:21:48 PM PST by antceecee (God Bless President Bush. FOUR MORE YEARS!)
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To: antceecee

180 posted on 11/01/2004 2:31:16 PM PST by citizen (Write-in Tom Tancredo for President/Jeff Flake VP 2004!)
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To: SolutionsOnly

The real reason these people will leave is not Bush, but the influx of illegals and their impact on the state of California and its tax, medical, and educational systems. But they can't say that, it's not PC. No, much better to bad mouth Bush and still get the best cocktail party invites and jobs in Hollywood. Anyone who tells the truth is blacklisted.


181 posted on 11/01/2004 2:32:29 PM PST by hershey
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To: SolutionsOnly

Man, without the libs, Southern CA would be pure paradise. I am ready and willing to help pack any suitcases!


182 posted on 11/01/2004 2:33:20 PM PST by Yaelle
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To: Talking_Mouse
MY friend from Germany was pissed off big time when the wall between west and east Germany went down.
She said all those scum bags came to our side where we have everything, free medical, lots of food and goods to buy and they just sucked it up.
She's mad because now all the socialized medicine isn't quite fee enough, they have to pay some part of it.
Like to hell with their freedom. I commented don't forget all the Arabs moving in to Germany too. They want to get in on the ride, until they found out they can get more in the Netherlands. With out contributing a dime. Weeeeeee!
183 posted on 11/01/2004 2:33:41 PM PST by No Spin (The truth will come out someday)
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To: OpusatFR

Let's hope this fool goes to Canada and has to deal with Canadian reality...their collapsing health system, influx of Muslims, etc. and lack of national self esteem...well-deserved, by the way.


184 posted on 11/01/2004 2:34:37 PM PST by hershey
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To: SolutionsOnly

Promises, Promises, that's all I ever get..


185 posted on 11/01/2004 2:35:32 PM PST by fritzz
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To: Cedric

By God, he did at that. A Liberal trifecta. He'll feel right at home among the Euroweenies, appeasers, and dullards of the world who were too cowardly to stand up for right and integrity and honesty. America may not be in the mood to save Europe's bacon again, by the way.


186 posted on 11/01/2004 2:37:44 PM PST by hershey
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To: Pete'sWife

My eldest son lives and works in NZ. The exchange rate is tough on them, but it's a socialist paradise and since he was brainwashed by the Cambridge elite, he's as happy as a clam at high tide to be there. The last time he visited, early summer, my male mini dachshund bit him on the ankle...just a nip...but well deserved. I did not apologize. Randy (my son), plans to vote for Nader, I think. Even he realizes Kerry is a man of extremely bad character.


187 posted on 11/01/2004 2:40:46 PM PST by hershey
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To: Netizen

None. They just want attention. Narcissists.


188 posted on 11/01/2004 2:42:04 PM PST by hershey
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To: SolutionsOnly

What a shame, this really makes me sad. They are so deluded they would actually rather a traitor become President than President Bush. The thing is, they don't realize how very much they have all been lied to. We should pity them, but oh well.......!


189 posted on 11/01/2004 2:44:03 PM PST by ladyinred (John Kerry has a plan to change the national symbol of an Eagle to a Chicken)
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To: I-spy-guy

Come to America. We're delighted to welcome hard working people with heart and common sense.


190 posted on 11/01/2004 2:44:49 PM PST by hershey
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To: Puppage

ROTFL! Is this the "Peace Train" Cat Stevens or whatever it calls itself these days was singing about? LOL


191 posted on 11/01/2004 2:48:21 PM PST by ladyinred (John Kerry has a plan to change the national symbol of an Eagle to a Chicken)
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To: SolutionsOnly
Steve Crawford, Gretchen W, Robert Boleyn, Robert Redford...

none of these bleeping nicompoops are worth a cup of spit!

I say the sooner they leave the better!

They may find, however, that the socialist governments in those foreign places will a big chunk of money from them for the privilege of residency!

192 posted on 11/01/2004 2:48:48 PM PST by NoClones
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To: SolutionsOnly
Before the 2000 poll, Alec Baldwin's then wife, Kim Basinger, told Germany's Focus magazine the actor ''might leave the country if Bush is elected ... and then I'd probably have to go, too.''

Yeah, probably... if you want to avoid another beating, anyway.

193 posted on 11/01/2004 2:49:03 PM PST by Dr.Deth
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To: SolutionsOnly
''But if I feel he's going to be living in an environment that's not safe for him, then I will do it. First and foremost I'm a dad.''

I wonder what part of the Bush agenda he thinks will make his son unsafe? Killing and capturing terrorists? Preventing the acquisition of nuclear weapons by hostile nations? Providing more security here in the US? Continuing to build up our national defense system from the neglect and scorn it suffered under 8 years of Clinton?

Just how does this Dad think his son would be safer under a president who is anti-American, anti-defense, anti-preemptive strike on terrorists, is supported by a group of homosexuals who prey on young boys (Lamba), and who has been proven by his own recorded words and acts to have been an active supporter of an enemy nation in a time of war?

Sometimes I have to wonder if the entire American left has allowed blind, senseless hate for America and traditional American culture to rot their brains.

194 posted on 11/01/2004 3:13:02 PM PST by epow
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To: Don Simmons
Interesting. Where could I go and keep my rifles? - Think about it...there are not to many places.

Looks like Ill be staying regardless of what happens.
195 posted on 11/01/2004 3:24:18 PM PST by ezoeni
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To: Westerby
POTENTIALLY" preventable in-hospital medical errors is light years away

Bull, You're playing with words. The fact remains that an average of 195,000 people in the USA died due to potentially preventable, in-hospital medical errors in each of the years 2000, 2001 and 2002 .

I would invite any proponent to go live, not visit, live, in Canada

You might find that your invitation has results you may not like. I've lived here all my life , watched my children born , and grand children born under the Canada Health Act . Watched family and friends deal with every imaginable cancer and survive . The examples cited here and elsewhere regarding the problems with health care in Canada are far out weighed by the Thirty Two Million people who are not dropping over from lack of medical care. I know a lady who needed and received not one but 2 MRI scans in a 48 hour period . The guy wanting one for insurance purposes can wait or pay for it in a private clinic . It'll cost him about 700 bucks .

196 posted on 11/01/2004 3:52:36 PM PST by Snowyman
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To: SolutionsOnly

But they NEVER do! My personal comments to these bozos is "Don't go away mad, just go away."


197 posted on 11/01/2004 3:57:30 PM PST by Paved Paradise
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To: Snowyman
Indeed I am playing with words, your words. And facts.

The fact is at least, at least, at least............ 600 people died in one Canadian Province due to the use of dirty instruments and dirty hygiene procedures.

That's 600 people dead from complete and total negligence! Nothing to do with Potential Preventables.

Now, show me how many patients died in U.S. hospitals for the same reason. And then show me the number of deaths due to "Potentially Preventable, in-hospital medical errors in Canada.

Let's have apples to apples - and oranges to oranges.

Now, as for the Potential Expatriates, lets do another of your surveys. How many Americans now live in Canada? How many Canadians live in the U.S.? That one you lose on absolute numbers. There are more ex-Canadians living in California than there are ex-Americans living in Canada. On a percentage of population basis its not even worth calculating. Strange, eh?
So if our celebs want to leave (and believe me they really don't), sokay with the rest of us - Canada can have them. But for any that do go, if they as much chip an ego, you can bet your ear muffs they will head for the border and U.S. medical care. You are beating a dead horse, mon habitant - your very expensive free health service is mediocre at best, and fatal at worst. I've lived there. I know.
And Our Lady of the Two Cat Scans. Still living, is she?
198 posted on 11/01/2004 4:19:50 PM PST by Westerby (He who does not learn from history, is condemned to repeat it.)
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To: SolutionsOnly

"'I don't think I can stay if Bush wins' - US Celebs. "

Liars.


199 posted on 11/01/2004 4:21:54 PM PST by Levante
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To: Westerby
And Our Lady of the Two Cat Scans

Actually she is. Doing quite well for a 74 year old . She's having cataracts removed from one of her eyes next week , the other eye in three weeks . They were MRIs' , that's a wee bit different than a C Scan.

I posted the link, obviously you never bothered to read the article,

Among the findings in the HealthGrades Patient Safety in American Hospitals study are as follows:

About 1.14 million patient-safety incidents occurred among the 37 million hospitalizations in the Medicare population over the years 2000-2002.

Of the total 323,993 deaths among Medicare patients in those years who developed one or more patient-safety incidents, 263,864, or 81 percent, of these deaths were directly attributable to the incident(s).

One in every four Medicare patients who were hospitalized from 2000 to 2002 and experienced a patient-safety incident died.

Dr. Barbara Starfield of the Johns Hopkins School of Hygiene and Public Health desribes how the US health care system may contribute to poor health.

http://www.mercola.com/2000/jul/30/doctors_death.htm

ALL THESE ARE DEATHS PER YEAR:

12,000 -- unnecessary surgery

7,000 -- medication errors in hospitals

20,000 -- other errors in hospitals

80,000 -- infections in hospitals

106,000 -- non-error, negative effects of drugs

You add it up.

200 posted on 11/01/2004 5:13:16 PM PST by Snowyman
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