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'I don't think I can stay if Bush wins' - US Celebs.
National Post/The Daily Telegraph (Canada) ^ | 11/1/2004 | Catherine Elsworth

Posted on 11/01/2004 5:45:25 AM PST by SolutionsOnly

Some left-leaning Californians say they would rather leave the United States -- and go to Canada or elsewhere -- than stay with George W. Bush as president.

''I certainly don't love the climate of Vancouver, but I love the sanity,'' said Steve Crawford, 54, a singer and actor working as a volunteer at the Democratic Party offices in Santa Monica.

He and his wife, Karen, have been investigating selling their home in Pacific Palisades, an upmarket area close to the coast, and moving to Canada.

''For someone like me, if this happens, I can't in good conscience allow myself to support another Bush government, even benignly. And a lot of other people are saying the same.

''I have a good friend who is adamant he will leave if Bush is re-elected. He's picked two countries and will definitely go to one should this happen.''

In the heavily Democratic state, famous for its Hollywood- and San Francisco-inspired latte liberal politics, such talk has become increasingly common at Starbucks and at dinner parties.

At first, the threat was little more than a joke. Now, on the eve of one of the most polarized elections in recent history, some say they really do intend to leave should ''the worst'' occur.

There seems little doubt Californians will deliver the state's valuable 55 electoral votes to the Democratic candidate. In a poll on Friday, Mr. Kerry had a seven-point lead statewide, with a 24-point lead in Los Angeles county and a 35-point lead in the San Francisco Bay area.

But fear at what may happen in the key swing states of Ohio, Florida and Pennsylvania has led to an escalation in coffee-shop chatter about emigration to Canada, Britain and elsewhere.

''Do you think Great Britain would give us political asylum?'' a woman in Starbucks asked. ''It's just ... I don't think I can stay if Bush wins again.''

Mr. Crawford said it would be a difficult decision to move his nine-year-old son from his elementary school. ''But if I feel he's going to be living in an environment that's not safe for him, then I will do it. First and foremost I'm a dad.''

Gretchen Witte, 35, from Alhambra, east of Los Angeles, who runs her own Internet business, is making plans to move to London, where she previously lived for eight years, should Mr. Bush win.

''As a woman, the current climate is becoming intolerable. Bush has just appointed a man to the FDA reproductive health panel who believes that women with medical trouble should pray to Jesus for relief. If this is what America is becoming, I cannot live here. The only reason I can sleep at night is the thought that I can leave the country if he wins.''

Robert Boleyn, a 35-year-old independent consultant from Los Angeles, says he hears people ''all the time' 'saying they will emigrate if Mr. Bush wins.

''But I think it's often more a measure of frustration with the last four years than a real intention to leave,'' he added.

Voluntary exile as a political statement is nothing new. Democrat-supporting celebrities have a habit of making (usually empty) threats to leave should the election not go their way. Robert Redford, a vocal critic of Mr. Bush's policies, was reported this month to have vowed to move to Ireland, where he owns homes near Dublin, if Mr. Bush is re-elected. Before the 2000 poll, Alec Baldwin's then wife, Kim Basinger, told Germany's Focus magazine the actor ''might leave the country if Bush is elected ... and then I'd probably have to go, too.'' Mr. Baldwin did not leave.

The only public figure to carry out his promise was Pierre Salinger, the White House press secretary during the Kennedy administration, who died last month. Before the 2000 election, he said: ''If Bush wins, I'm going to leave the country and spend the rest of my life in France.'' He did.


TOPICS: Canada; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: canada; hollyweird; jgarofalotheflag; liberals; radicalleftists; rats; socialists
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PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE follow through your promises!

(and close the door on your way out).

1 posted on 11/01/2004 5:45:25 AM PST by SolutionsOnly
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To: SolutionsOnly

Buh-bye!


2 posted on 11/01/2004 5:46:57 AM PST by snarks_when_bored
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"''As a woman, the current climate is becoming intolerable. Bush has just appointed a man to the FDA reproductive health panel who believes that women with medical trouble should pray to Jesus for relief. If this is what America is becoming, I cannot live here. The only reason I can sleep at night is the thought that I can leave the country if he wins."

James Carvile has it bass akwards. This woman is just plain stupid.


3 posted on 11/01/2004 5:47:28 AM PST by OpusatFR (Let me repeat this: the web means never having to swill leftist garbage again. Got it?)
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To: SolutionsOnly
Already posted here.

Search is your friend.

4 posted on 11/01/2004 5:47:35 AM PST by VRWCmember
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Bye bye LOSER. Canada's health care and tax system beckons
5 posted on 11/01/2004 5:47:49 AM PST by DAC22
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To: SolutionsOnly

Hit the road, Jack. And dontcha come back, no more, no more, no more.


6 posted on 11/01/2004 5:47:53 AM PST by The G Man (Are Osama Bin Laden and Saddam Hussein better off now then they were 4 years ago?)
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Better they go, than me. Of course I am staying no matter what. :-)


7 posted on 11/01/2004 5:48:02 AM PST by AmericanMade1776 ( (( John Kerry is in full retreat)))
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Prayer request that these people see the light, and its in Canada or the EU...please, please, please!


8 posted on 11/01/2004 5:48:27 AM PST by jb6 (Truth = Christ)
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Goodbye!!! Have a nice life in Canada, but don't get sick and need an operation like a heart bypass, etc. You might have to wait for three years before they schedule one!!!


9 posted on 11/01/2004 5:48:37 AM PST by JLAGRAYFOX
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GRRRRRRREEEEAAAAAAATTTTT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


10 posted on 11/01/2004 5:48:47 AM PST by jneesy (certified southern right wing hillbilly nutjob)
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This would be awesome! I really, really hope the lefties DO leave if Bush gets reelected. Let them take another stab at socialism somewhere else.

You won't be missed.

11 posted on 11/01/2004 5:48:53 AM PST by Another-MA-Conservative
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Move to a do-nothing country, the minute Canada gets in trouble, it would come whining to America to defend it.


12 posted on 11/01/2004 5:49:05 AM PST by tkathy (There will be no world peace until all thuggocracies are gone from the earth.)
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ALL ABOARD!


13 posted on 11/01/2004 5:49:21 AM PST by Puppage (You may disagree with what I have to say, but I shall defend to your death my right to say it)
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One can only pray that these people will move to Canada. Even better, I think that they should move to France.


14 posted on 11/01/2004 5:50:15 AM PST by Nosterrex
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Is Alec Baldwin still here?


15 posted on 11/01/2004 5:50:16 AM PST by wordsofearnest (St. Louis bring back Torre.)
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Please, enjoy the socialist paradise of France and Germany. Our coalition partners in the United Kingdom have been much too good to us to have our dross inflected on them.
16 posted on 11/01/2004 5:50:30 AM PST by Talking_Mouse (Indeed I tremble for my country when I reflect that God is just... Thomas Jefferson)
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See ya! Hope you enjoy socialized medicine - make sure you make your appointments at least 9 months in advance...


17 posted on 11/01/2004 5:51:00 AM PST by 2banana (They want to die for Islam and we want to kill them)
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Perfect, go there and get yourself taxed to the point of castration. We won't care.


18 posted on 11/01/2004 5:51:13 AM PST by SMARTY ('Stay together, pay the soldiers, forget everything else." Lucius Septimus Severus, to his sons)
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Promises, promises.


19 posted on 11/01/2004 5:51:13 AM PST by myheroesareDeadandRegistered (You can't trust a Poodle to operate a grenade laucher or a Nuclear Football!)
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yeah yeah yeah (sarcasm). So just EXACTLY where are those who said the same thing the last time now, hmmm??

If they think their presence on American soil is helping, I think its the opposite. The actually think all their whining about the USA and Bush is helping, but its actually helping America's enemies.

Come to think of it, even they dont even realize that that are part of the forces against America and America's enemies love to use them for their own means.

20 posted on 11/01/2004 5:51:31 AM PST by prophetic (What do u call someone who flip-flops so much? A Politician? No, a HYPOCRITE!!)
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"Some left-leaning Californians say they would rather leave the United States -- and go to Canada or elsewhere -- than stay with George W. Bush as president."

Cool. That means the GOP can have CA back. Ring up 55 EVs in '08.


21 posted on 11/01/2004 5:51:52 AM PST by The Hound Passer (Sitting home in protest this Nov is a vote for Kerry and Co.)
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At first, the threat was little more than a joke.

Whoa! Somebody call Tom Ridge & the g-men!

22 posted on 11/01/2004 5:52:04 AM PST by elli1
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To: SolutionsOnly

We ought to collect a fund to buy their plane tickets.


23 posted on 11/01/2004 5:52:04 AM PST by TBarnett34 (Can I get an UNNNGH?!)
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I wonder how much losing these layabouts will drive down unemployment. :P


24 posted on 11/01/2004 5:52:11 AM PST by Constantine XIII
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It's too bad they can come to my country.

But then again you poor people have to put up with Peter Jennings and John (the former VJ) Roberts.

BTW health care in this country is not as bad as people make it out to be.

25 posted on 11/01/2004 5:52:16 AM PST by hawkaw
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To: SolutionsOnly
Adios Amigo!
26 posted on 11/01/2004 5:52:20 AM PST by tobyhill (The war on terrorism is not for the weak!)
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BON VOYAGE!





The Short Bus is Waiting!


27 posted on 11/01/2004 5:52:44 AM PST by Dallas59 ("A weak peace is worse than war" - Tacitcus)
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Leave now!!!!!


28 posted on 11/01/2004 5:53:08 AM PST by sweetiepiezer (We have to stop Kerry for our grandkids sake!!!!!!!! GO W)
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Dont let the door hit ya where the good Lord split ya.

AMF


29 posted on 11/01/2004 5:53:33 AM PST by sgtbono2002 (I aint wrong, I aint sorry , and I am probably going to do it again.)
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Aww, they're teasin' us again. Every election they get us all excited, then they don't perform down to expectations. Our evil money and freedom isn't that bad afterall.


30 posted on 11/01/2004 5:54:26 AM PST by RushLake (Permission from the UN...we don't need no stinking permission slip from the UN.)
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To: SolutionsOnly; eyespysomething

If you don't like it, you can g-g-g-get out!


31 posted on 11/01/2004 5:54:42 AM PST by SittinYonder (Tancredo and I wanna know what you believe)
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Please take all your friends!


32 posted on 11/01/2004 5:54:47 AM PST by Dallas59 ("A weak peace is worse than war" - Tacitcus)
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''I have a good friend who is adamant he will leave if Bush is re-elected. He's picked two countries and will definitely go to one should this happen.''

NOW I REALLY want Bush to win...yuk, yuk.


33 posted on 11/01/2004 5:54:56 AM PST by BillyCrockett
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Is this good news or what?


34 posted on 11/01/2004 5:55:45 AM PST by DOGEY
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I love the voluntary walkouts. Thanks for making life a little bit easier. Besides its better you get out now before Homeland and John Ashcroft uncover the dirt you have been hiding for all these years. Its so amazing that rats love to run and hide in france when the heat/ or lights are on. Just go away!
35 posted on 11/01/2004 5:56:48 AM PST by ruready4eternity (P.C. war is over! Let the carpet bombing campaign begin!)
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I love the voluntary walkouts. Thanks for making life a little bit easier. Besides its better you get out now before Homeland and John Ashcroft uncover the dirt you have been hiding for all these years. Its so amazing that rats love to run and hide in france when the heat/ or lights are on. Just go away! An American PURGING of the rats. Let em roll!
36 posted on 11/01/2004 5:57:10 AM PST by ruready4eternity (P.C. war is over! Let the carpet bombing campaign begin!)
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To: Dallas59

I wish they had all left when Gore lost.


37 posted on 11/01/2004 5:57:17 AM PST by surrey
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gillian anderson of the xfiles is the only celeb I know of from the last election that actually moved to london after the last election. What a bunch of blowhards. I keeps saying shutup and sing :) and don't let the door hit you on the way out.


38 posted on 11/01/2004 5:57:37 AM PST by genxer
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"I can't in good conscience allow myself to support another Bush government, even benignly"

This guy hit the Liberal Tri-fecta!

1. Self-righteous
2. Arrogant
3. Hypocritical

All in 14 words - less than one sentence!


39 posted on 11/01/2004 5:57:45 AM PST by Cedric
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Another good reason to elect Bush. I wish they would have said so sooner so I could have made some signs.


40 posted on 11/01/2004 5:57:47 AM PST by whershey (www.worldwar4.net)
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bump


41 posted on 11/01/2004 5:58:06 AM PST by foreverfree
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These people are not real Americans. They don't even know what America is all about. Please go. Canada will love you!!


42 posted on 11/01/2004 5:58:37 AM PST by Cricket24 (Kerry & his war protestor friends were not the Majority.)
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I don't want to start a vanity thread, so I'll ask here:

Has anyone ever entertained the notion of moving to/living in Australia?

I did a cursory search of homes/home prices, and they're about what I'd expect to pay here in the U.S. At present, the exchange rate is very favorable.

In my heart, I don't believe I'm ready to become an expatriate, but keeping my options open is... an option.

Thanks in advance for your input. Feel free to FreepMail.

President Bush will win, making this post moot, I'm sure.


43 posted on 11/01/2004 6:00:53 AM PST by Pete'sWife (Dirt is for racing... asphalt is for getting there.)
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They're like 3 year old kids who threaten to run away from home if they don't get their own way. Unfortunately, these characters won't run away. They are going to cause trouble in the streets and in the courtrooms if, I mean when, Bush wins.


44 posted on 11/01/2004 6:00:58 AM PST by ladyjane
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Your transportation is ready....


45 posted on 11/01/2004 6:01:01 AM PST by Dallas59 ("A weak peace is worse than war" - Tacitcus)
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''Do you think Great Britain would give us political asylum?'' a woman in Starbucks asked. ''It's just ... I don't think I can stay if Bush wins again.''

If I stayed during the Carter and Clinton farces, this cow can stay four more years. Or cut her wrists, for all I care.

46 posted on 11/01/2004 6:01:14 AM PST by Gorzaloon (Thereza-Heinz-DiazDeBovar-Greenberg-Wang-"O"'Kerry: PROOF that even the Rich can marry a failure.)
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I think came back...


47 posted on 11/01/2004 6:01:26 AM PST by Dallas59 ("A weak peace is worse than war" - Tacitcus)
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Pack your bags and don't let the door hit you on your way out. Good riddance!
48 posted on 11/01/2004 6:01:26 AM PST by kassie ("It's the soldier who allows freedom of speech, not the reporter..")
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"Crawford said it would be a difficult decision to move his nine-year-old son from his elementary school. ''But if I feel he's going to be living in an environment that's not safe for him, then I will do it. First and foremost I'm a dad."

No, first and foremost, you are an imbecile. Good riddance to you, but I pity your nine year old having to grow up in a family with such an angry hate-filled father.

49 posted on 11/01/2004 6:01:34 AM PST by Hoof Hearted
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Don't let the doot hit 'ya where the good Lord spit 'ya!


50 posted on 11/01/2004 6:01:44 AM PST by Bulldog1967 (Who is John Galt?)
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