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DNC threatens Florida poll watchers in legal letter
Democratic National Committee | Nov. 01, 2004 | livius

Posted on 11/01/2004 10:56:48 AM PST by livius

[DNC logo} IMPORTANT LEGAL NOTICE

To all Republican Party Election Day poll watchers:

Your name has been filed to serve as a poll watcher on Election Day, on behalf of the Republican Party or a Republican candidate. The Democratic Party recognizes the legal rights of poll watchers, under Florida Election Law, to perform their lawful duties.

We want to make sure that all poll watchers recognize the importance of their role in this process and understand the repercussions for abusing that role. As a poll watcher, you have the ability to protect one of the most sacred rights of our democracy. Regardless of party affiliation, we can all agree that no citizen should be deprived of their right to vote without good cause. Whatever the outcome on Election Day, the challenge process must not be abused as a means of harrassing or intimidating voters, or of obstructing the ability of lawfully qualified and registered citizens tovote safely, efficiently and conveniently.

You should be aware that, under Florida law, a poll watcher must explain in writing and under oath the basis of a challenge. This affirmation requires that the poll watcher have personal knowledge of the facts upon which the challenge is based.

Florida law provides that a challenger is to be removed from the polling place if his or her activities slow down the voting process or intimidate voters. Indeed, it is a crime under Florida law to be in a polling place to "intimidate, threaten or coerce or attempt to intimidate, threaten, or coerce, any other person for thepurpose of interfering with the right of such person to vote." (Fla. Stat. Sec. 104,0515(3)). Therefore, should a challenger knowingly make a false challenge, that person could be subject to criminal prosecution.

Please be advised that the National Democratic Party and the Florida Democratic Party will insist on strict enforcement of that law. You have now been provided notice of the law, and thus, please govern yourself accordingly.

(Italics and bold in original)


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This is stunning. We poll watchers just received this letter today from the DNC. Unbelievable! Just when you think they can't get any worse.
1 posted on 11/01/2004 10:56:48 AM PST by livius
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To: livius

I believe they sent those here in Ohio too...last night I had a GOP rep call me to see if I had received one.


2 posted on 11/01/2004 10:59:25 AM PST by Sunshine55 (The W stands for WHOOPASS!)
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To: Otta B Sleepin; mariabush; DuoDamsel

Ping to some people who were interested in poll watcher topics earlier. Please ping others, especially anybody you know who is a poll watcher.


3 posted on 11/01/2004 11:00:30 AM PST by livius
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To: livius

I will be pollwatching. You are only suppose to talk to the Poll Clerk who has been doing this for years, years, years. If you have a complaint about something just bring it to the poll clerk's attention, you cannot challenge anyone directely anyway.


4 posted on 11/01/2004 11:01:49 AM PST by TurtleStink
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To: livius

What's the problem? Were people planning to issue baseless challenges? Or challenges based on perceived color of the voter? (Remember is was stuff like that that drove Rice's father over the GOP when the Dems did it.)


5 posted on 11/01/2004 11:02:29 AM PST by Doctor Stochastic (Vegetabilisch = chaotisch is der Charakter der Modernen. - Friedrich Schlegel)
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To: livius

Why are people surprised .. the law only applies to repubs .. and the dem's standard mode of operation is INTIMIDATION.


6 posted on 11/01/2004 11:02:39 AM PST by CyberAnt (Election 2004: This election is for the SOUL OF AMERICA)
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To: livius
Poll watcher intimidation? Would that the DNC were so scrupulous about legalities when people showed up to vote.
7 posted on 11/01/2004 11:03:10 AM PST by atomicpossum (If there are two Americas, John Edwards isn't qualified to lead either of them.)
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To: livius

8 posted on 11/01/2004 11:06:02 AM PST by Main Street (Stuck in traffic.)
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To: livius

It's called intimidation. I guess it's ok for them to try to intimidate poll watchers with threats of legal action. Well, guess what DemWIPES ... we've got lawyers too.


9 posted on 11/01/2004 11:08:09 AM PST by TexasGreg ("Democrats Piss Me Off")
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To: livius
Regardless of party affiliation, we can all agree that no citizen should be deprived of their right to vote without good cause.

Well, I'm a poll watcher tomorrow and I couldn't agree more.

Good cause certainly includes:

  1. Not having a valid voter's registration card
  2. Not having a valid photo identification with signature
  3. Any person or persons who may be decieving any election official (e.g., having an id with a Birth Date of 1/1/1920, but the person at the poll is 20 years old)
  4. Refusing to sign the affadavits required to be signed in cases where identification or other issues are present
If people are registered to vote, have their picture ID with signature, and abide by the election laws and rules, then I don't see what the problem will be.

I will note that if the democrats weren't famous for having dead people vote, having voter registration activists register "Mickey Mouse", "Mary Poppins", and the like, having voter registration rolls hundreds of thousands over the actual populations of the given counties, etc., then these watching wouldn't be necessary.

So, if it weren't for all of these situations, I'm fairly sure that we wouldn't have to do this. Unfortunately because of that, we do.

10 posted on 11/01/2004 11:08:28 AM PST by mattdono ("Crush the democrats, drive them before you, and hear the lamentations of the scumbags" -Big Arnie)
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To: livius

How is reminding you of the law a threat? It is crass certainly, but would you expect anything else from the DNC?


11 posted on 11/01/2004 11:09:09 AM PST by green iguana
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To: mattdono

And, I should echo FREEPER TurtleSink's comments. Procedurally, it is correct that no poll watcher will challenge the voter in any way. The proper procedure is to alert the precinct captain/clerk as to possible discrepancies.


12 posted on 11/01/2004 11:10:18 AM PST by mattdono ("Crush the democrats, drive them before you, and hear the lamentations of the scumbags" -Big Arnie)
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To: livius

Hey Rats - 4Q.


13 posted on 11/01/2004 11:12:26 AM PST by Denver Ditdat (Ronald Reagan belongs to the ages now, but we preferred it when he belonged to us.)
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To: livius

Stunning? Yes. Surprising? No.


14 posted on 11/01/2004 11:13:04 AM PST by Born Conservative (20 years of votes can tell you much more about a man than 20 weeks of campaign rhetoric-Zell Miller)
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To: green iguana
TexasGreg had it right. It is a form of intimidation. No one wants to be sued. And, it will cost the democrats nothing to file, en masse, a lawsuit against every poll watcher that signs up.

Most hard-working people wouldn't have the money to afford a lawyer.

The demoCREEPs are hoping that they 1) intimidate them from going altogether or 2) intimidate them from doing anything when they are there (i.e., rightfully challenging an inapproriate vote, such as not being a registered voter).

It's crass. But, it is intimidation too. It's, perhaps, a subtle threat, but it's a threat no less.

15 posted on 11/01/2004 11:14:14 AM PST by mattdono ("Crush the democrats, drive them before you, and hear the lamentations of the scumbags" -Big Arnie)
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To: livius

Any and all 'legal' letters generated by the zealots in the Kerry campaign should be ignored. At this point they are desparate and will say and do anything. They will send out mass mailings of threatening letters. They didn't choose the unqualified John Edwards for nothing. They have a strange belief that they can litigate their way into the white house, despite the wishes of the voters.


16 posted on 11/01/2004 11:14:54 AM PST by orangelobster
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To: livius

This reminds me of the terrorists when they scream, "It's a Holy site" in order to protect weapons caches and God knows what else.


17 posted on 11/01/2004 11:15:11 AM PST by monkeywrench
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To: livius

Translation: You may look (with your blindfolds on), but don't mumble a word, question anything you do see, get anywhere near voting booths, or question all the extra ballots that are being wheelbarrow dumped into the voting boxes.


18 posted on 11/01/2004 11:15:31 AM PST by Sleeping Freeper
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To: livius

Send this on to John Gibson Fox News and any others you can think of!!


19 posted on 11/01/2004 11:15:44 AM PST by nannaj34
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To: nannaj34

It's a 'nuanced' threat.


20 posted on 11/01/2004 11:21:41 AM PST by Stashiu ( Yeah, I am a Vietnam Vet, not a War Criminal.)
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To: livius

As if an oath means anything to a RAT!


21 posted on 11/01/2004 11:22:37 AM PST by Redleg Duke (Stir the pot...don't let anything settle to the bottom where the lawyers can feed off of it!)
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To: green iguana; livius
How is reminding you of the law a threat?

In this case, if the letters were sent to only Republican poll watchers and not to Democrat poll watchers, it could be considered a form of "Profiling".

22 posted on 11/01/2004 11:23:26 AM PST by elbucko ( Feral Republican)
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To: livius

Someone should remind the DNC that it's also illegal to fraudulently register to vote, to misrepresent one's identity to vote, and to knowingly allow dead people to vote.


23 posted on 11/01/2004 11:25:02 AM PST by Sender (I love watching the final spastic throes of the Kerry faithful...as they ravage one another...)
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To: livius

bump


24 posted on 11/01/2004 11:25:56 AM PST by Stellar Dendrite (They should rename it to World Hugh instead of World Series!!!!)
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To: livius

They would be better served to have addressed this petter to ALL poll watchers. I hope Republicans sent a similar letter.


25 posted on 11/01/2004 11:27:01 AM PST by Fester Chugabrew
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To: mattdono
So, if it weren't for all of these situations, I'm fairly sure that we wouldn't have to do this. Unfortunately because of that, we do.

Absolutely. They managed to get poll watchers kicked out of OH polls by a judicial decision this morning, and this attempt to intimidate us in Florida indicates that they're planning on a heck of a lot of cheating and don't want anybody to see it - or dare to report it. I found the last paragraph particularly offensive.

26 posted on 11/01/2004 11:27:23 AM PST by livius
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To: livius

Any possibility of posting the letter, scanned?

Without your PI of course.


27 posted on 11/01/2004 11:27:51 AM PST by DBrow
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To: green iguana

The threat is that it comes on a page entitled "Important Legal Notice," it implies that any attempt to challenge a vote in and of itself is intimidation and hence illegal, and then it makes it clear that the DNC intends to look for excuses to prosecute.

We have all been instructed on what to do and what not to do, and are well aware of the law. The DNC is implying a threat here and hopes that some of our more timid volunteers will simply not go to their polling places tomorrow.


28 posted on 11/01/2004 11:30:00 AM PST by livius
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To: nannaj34

I'm in the process of informing the Florida GOP headquarters at the moment.


29 posted on 11/01/2004 11:30:48 AM PST by livius
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To: livius

They would be better served to have addressed this petter to ALL poll watchers. I hope Republicans sent a similar letter.


30 posted on 11/01/2004 11:31:50 AM PST by Fester Chugabrew
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To: Fester Chugabrew

Dang double post. I've never done that before.


31 posted on 11/01/2004 11:33:41 AM PST by Fester Chugabrew
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I'll see if I can do it, but I'm not very good at posting scanned things.

At the bottom, it reads:

"Paid for by the Democratic National Committee, www.democrats.org. The communication is not authorized by any candidate or candidate's committee."


32 posted on 11/01/2004 11:34:06 AM PST by livius
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To: green iguana
How is reminding you of the law a threat?

How about we post the law and penalties about illegal voting at the polling place. Oh yes, we can't. They consider it intimidation.

33 posted on 11/01/2004 11:43:41 AM PST by T. P. Pole
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To: livius
Just as only those who are not among government-certified minorities can be guilty of "racism", only Republican poll-watchers can be guilty of "intimidation", no matter how many loud, abusive union goons and antiwar freaks the DNC has stationed in front of the door.

They learned their Alinsky well. He taught that rules are a weapon to use against them as believe that the rules matter.

34 posted on 11/01/2004 11:52:58 AM PST by thulldud (It's bad luck to be superstitious.)
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To: livius

For all those who signed up as poll watchers, myself included, do not be deterred by this threat. We must stay strong and stay together we are not fighting this battle alone. Dont let these empty threats scare you - fight the good fight. The democrats are scared wear this as a badge of courage. Thank you each and everyone of you who are voting and working the polls for the re-election of Bush.


35 posted on 11/01/2004 11:57:22 AM PST by sasafras (sasafras (The road to hell is paved with good intentions))
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To: livius

For all those who signed up as poll watchers, myself included, do not be deterred by this threat. We must stay strong and stay together we are not fighting this battle alone. Dont let these empty threats scare you - fight the good fight. The democrats are scared wear this as a badge of courage. Thank you each and everyone of you who are voting and working the polls for the re-election of Bush.


36 posted on 11/01/2004 11:57:40 AM PST by sasafras (sasafras (The road to hell is paved with good intentions))
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To: livius
Send these idiots a registered letter back with the succint response:

Dear DNC Operatives,

You are in no position to lecture me on the subject of your last letter.

Tend to the beam in your own eye before chasing after imagined motes in mine.

Sincerely,

Joe American
"If I want any lip from you morons, I'll rattle my zipper."

(Okay, the last two lines are optional...)

37 posted on 11/01/2004 12:20:02 PM PST by Prime Choice (Laura Bush is like everyone's sweetheart. Teresa Heinz-Kerry is like everyone's mother-in-law.)
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To: livius
I got mine today as well, I'll be at precinct 24e in Coral Springs, FL. Ya'll at the dnc come on by and visit. But, don't mess with me. I will make sure every one who has the LEGAL RIGHT and IDENTIFICATION gets to vote. This letter really PI$$ED ME OFF...... I think I will use it this saturday out at Markham park, after a three day party celebrating a 300+ EV win.
38 posted on 11/01/2004 12:20:27 PM PST by Armed Civilian ("Extremism in defense of liberty is no vice, moderation in pursuit of justice is no virtue.")
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To: livius
I got mine today as well, I'll be at precinct 24e in Coral Springs, FL. Ya'll at the dnc come on by and visit. But, don't mess with me. I will make sure every one who has the LEGAL RIGHT and IDENTIFICATION gets to vote. This letter really PI$$ED ME OFF...... I think I will use it this saturday out at Markham park, after a three day party celebrating a 300+ EV win.
39 posted on 11/01/2004 12:21:06 PM PST by Armed Civilian ("Extremism in defense of liberty is no vice, moderation in pursuit of justice is no virtue.")
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To: livius

Another example of pre-election day SKERRYANTICS
coming on fast and furiously.

Is anyone else getting hungry?


40 posted on 11/01/2004 12:46:11 PM PST by Paperdoll ((on the cutting edge ....Don't forget to fast and pray today!)
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To: Prime Choice

ROFLMAO...especially about the "optional" last lines!


41 posted on 11/01/2004 1:42:19 PM PST by pharmamom (They can't riot if they're stuned in disbelief.)
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To: livius
I just got my mail today, and here it is. I got the letter, too. They are scared because they know we are watching, and we will not let them commit fraud. Bring it on, DNC!
42 posted on 11/01/2004 2:06:15 PM PST by Dixie Mom (FOUR MORE YEARS!)
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To: livius

These letters have one purpose: intimidation of the poll watchers. It's another cheap shot by the Dems.

Thanks for the ping, livius.


43 posted on 11/01/2004 2:30:07 PM PST by Otta B Sleepin (Every time that panicky feeling washes over me, I'm regarding it as a prompt to PRAY!)
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To: livius

WHY is it that every time we hear a news story about voter fraud that 99.999% of the time it's the Rats doing it???

And now they think leaning on Republicans with threatening letters will dissuade poll watchers from keeping them honest?

...SOB's


44 posted on 11/01/2004 2:37:14 PM PST by Humidston (Cheney cleaned the floor with that little GIRLY BOY Edwards!!!)
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To: livius

"Search the Florida Statutes: Search Results for: "104.0514" - (0 returns)"

Here is what my search for the cited statute turned up, i.e. no such statute found. This could be a problem with the search, but I can't tell what I did wrong.


45 posted on 11/01/2004 2:37:26 PM PST by Bahbah (Proud member of the pajamahadeen)
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To: livius
"...you have the ability to protect one of the most sacred rights of our democracy." (voting)

Ok, let's clear this up right now.

  1. Voting is NOT a most sacred right. In fact "voting" as a 'right' isn't even mentioned in the Constitution until the 14th Amendment. Ergo if 'voting' was so sacrosanct it would have been in the Bill of Rights. You know, like Gun Ownership! (sarcasm)
  2. The USA isn't a DEMOCRACY.
  3. Lastly, voting if anything is TOO EASY. There should be qualifiers prior to allowing one to vote.

    Intelligence should be one. Property ownership another (as it used to be), as why the *%$#^ should some slug in Section 8 housing have the 'right' to RAISE MY PROPERTY TAXES! And KNOWLEDGE of the issues and/or Candidates.

In short, DOLTS should NOT be voting - period.
46 posted on 11/01/2004 3:22:27 PM PST by Condor51 (May God have mercy upon my enemies, because I won't. - Gen G Patton)
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To: Condor51
Property ownership another (as it used to be)

The hell you say. I write a four-figure check every year to the IRS, and you want to disenfranchize me because I'm a renter? Think again.

47 posted on 11/01/2004 3:50:38 PM PST by stands2reason
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To: livius
You have now been provided notice of the law, and thus, please govern yourself accordingly.

BRING IT ON!

48 posted on 11/01/2004 3:57:54 PM PST by Flyer (Prosecute Vote Fraud! [68%])
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To: Bahbah

I was typing pretty fast, copying the letter so that I could post it, and it could be that I copied the number wrong.

I gave the letter to the local Republican Party chairman, and he was going to talk about it in a TV news station interview tonight.


49 posted on 11/01/2004 3:58:14 PM PST by livius
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To: livius

DNC Brownshirts. I mean that. Pure intimidation attempt. This has to stop.


50 posted on 11/01/2004 3:59:14 PM PST by BoBToMatoE
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