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Most families don't comprehend layoffs until it happens to them
The Pittsburgh Tribune-Review ^ | Tuesday, November 2, 2004 | Anne Michaud

Posted on 11/02/2004 8:38:08 AM PST by Willie Green

I ran into a relative at a wedding this weekend. We hadn't seen each other since the last family wedding, three years ago. I asked how her daughter was doing, and this story came pouring out.

Her daughter's husband was laid off in July from a company where he had worked for 28 years. He will miss out on his pension and faces job-hunting now at age 52. His wife is working 50 hours a week and fears making any missteps at her job because she is now carrying the family's health insurance. He's depressed and is a scatterbrained substitute mom to their two busy teenagers.

This is a sad story, to be sure, but a common one. Three years ago, when I last saw this relative, my husband was out of work. At that time, she asked, "Can't he just take another job? Oh, well, I guess he can't accept just anything."

I didn't go into sad detail with her back then. I don't like to retail my misery -- unless, of course, I can do so in the pages of a newspaper and get paid for it.

(Excerpt) Read more at pittsburghlive.com ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Culture/Society; Editorial
KEYWORDS: despair; eeyore; employment; families; globalism; grapesofwrath; joebtfsplk; killmenow; miseryindex; outsourcing; repenttheendisnigh; sackclothandashes; stagflation; suicidesolution; thebusheconomy; wearedoomed
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1 posted on 11/02/2004 8:38:09 AM PST by Willie Green
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To: Willie Green

The resident FR Bush hater rears his head on Elecion Day.


2 posted on 11/02/2004 8:40:16 AM PST by finnman69 (cum puella incedit minore medio corpore sub quo manifestus globus, inflammare animos)
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To: Willie Green

You are my sunshine my only sunshine
You make me happy when skies are grey
You'll never know dear how much I love you
So please don't take my sunshine away

The other night dear as I lay dreaming
I dreamt that you were by my side
Came disillusion when I awoke dear
You were gone and then I cried

You are my sunshine my only sunshine
You make me happy when skies are grey
You'll never know dear how much I love you
So please don't take my sunshine away

You told me once dear there'd be no other
That no one else could come between
But now you've left me to love another
You have broken all my dreams

You are my sunshine my only sunshine
You make me happy when skies are grey
You'll never know dear how much I love you
So please don't take my sunshine away


Happy Election Day Willie!


3 posted on 11/02/2004 8:40:17 AM PST by Tijeras_Slim (I want to have fanatical henchmen when I grow up.)
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To: finnman69; Tijeras_Slim

Heheheh.


4 posted on 11/02/2004 8:41:37 AM PST by EggsAckley (........my Birthday is on Election Day.......Should I post a Vanity??.........)
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To: Willie Green

"He will miss out on his pension and faces job-hunting now at age 52."

I don't understand how he will miss out on his pension.
After 28 years he must be vested!


5 posted on 11/02/2004 8:42:00 AM PST by ghitma (MeClaudius)
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To: Willie Green

Willie,

If we had some eggs we could fix bacon and eggs ... if we had some bacon.

Damn, you sure are a gloomy SOB


6 posted on 11/02/2004 8:42:39 AM PST by tx_eggman ("There is no safety for honest men but by believing all possible evil of evil men." --Edmund Burke)
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To: EggsAckley
of course Bad News Willie left off the best part of the article:

We pulled out of it, and we're back on our feet. The experience has made me braver because I know that I can make it through tough times. When my current boss is difficult, I think to myself, "What can you do to me, take my job?" I've been there. I can go there again.

Last year, we started college savings plans for our daughters and bought them dress coats they could wear to the ballet. I tell people that the coats are my middle class dream, and then I laugh with relief and a little sadness. Most people don't get the joke, and I hope they never have to.


7 posted on 11/02/2004 8:43:41 AM PST by finnman69 (cum puella incedit minore medio corpore sub quo manifestus globus, inflammare animos)
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To: Willie Green
Remember - all Americans are entitled to a job from the day they turn 18 until the day they turn 65.

Layoffs are immoral and should be illegal.

Power to the people.

Workers of the world unite - you have nothing to lose but your chains.

8 posted on 11/02/2004 8:44:10 AM PST by wideawake (God bless our brave soldiers and their Commander in Chief)
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To: Tijeras_Slim

...;)


9 posted on 11/02/2004 8:45:24 AM PST by MEG33 (John Kerry has been AWOL on issues of national security for two decades)
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To: Willie Green

This person is a whiner, but it is a valid observation about a lot of life's losses. I was one of the first I knew to be laid off in '01 (post Clinton's stock market crash). People had a "So sorry, but glad it wasn't me" attitude... Until it started to happen to them. I don't understand how her one relative is an unemployed nurse practitioner. On what planet would that happen on?


10 posted on 11/02/2004 8:45:45 AM PST by conservative cat
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To: Willie Green

Laid off after 28 years and forfeits all pension rights, "Yeah right"

Hello Troll,

Before you go, make sure to add, "Layoffs will be outlawed under Kerry, and he will make minimum wage 100.00 an hour, so we'll all be wealthy."


11 posted on 11/02/2004 8:46:11 AM PST by NavVet (“Benedict Arnold was wounded in battle fighting for America, but no one remembers him for that.”)
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To: Willie Green

Life is tough. The same thing happened to a friend of mine when Clinton was president - fired the month before he became eligible for a pension, after working for a company 19 years.

There have always been deceitful employers and always will be. And people will get laid off, get disabled, and run into financial trouble - That is why God gives us brains, to prepare and deal for the hard times when they come. And families to give us a hand.

People somehow always seem to think that good times are the natural way of life, and they are entitled to always do well. But the natural law is that nothing stays the same, good or bad, and you better be ready to deal.


12 posted on 11/02/2004 8:46:18 AM PST by I still care (America is not the problem - it is the solution..)
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To: Willie Green

No problem here.

I'm self employed. Because of that I don't have access to the "social safty net".

Maybe instead of "Get a job" it should be "Make your own darn job".


13 posted on 11/02/2004 8:47:10 AM PST by PeteB570
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To: Willie Green

Still campaigning for Kerry I see.


14 posted on 11/02/2004 8:48:33 AM PST by Protagoras (Hating Kerry doesn't make you a conservative.)
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To: NavVet

Willie isn't a troll..He just posts every layoff in the US.


15 posted on 11/02/2004 8:48:37 AM PST by MEG33 (John Kerry has been AWOL on issues of national security for two decades)
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To: I still care

I can't see how, because he could have just taken a 1 year leave of absence to become pension eligible, if he just needed one month. unless you are saying he needed 1 year, 1 month, to qualify.


16 posted on 11/02/2004 8:48:49 AM PST by oceanview
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To: Willie Green

Go find a damn job!


17 posted on 11/02/2004 8:48:55 AM PST by RAY (They that do right are all heroes!)
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To: conservative cat

I second your experience....


18 posted on 11/02/2004 8:50:48 AM PST by traumer
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To: MEG33
Willie isn't a troll..He just posts every layoff in the US.

Of course he is. And he's been trolling for a long time on this site.

He's campaigning for Kerry on election day, if that isn't a troll, what is?

19 posted on 11/02/2004 8:50:51 AM PST by Protagoras (Hating Kerry doesn't make you a conservative.)
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To: Willie Green

Oh.....My.....God. Some guy got laid off. Bush has got to go.

28 years and no vested pension? Maybe he should have done a 401k. My projected 401k after 28 years is in excess of a million dollars.


21 posted on 11/02/2004 8:51:42 AM PST by L98Fiero
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To: finnman69

Most people don't get the joke, and I hope they never have to. <<<


I never heard the lay off joke during Reagans years in office, but I personally heard that Joke TWICE during clintons admin. With the Bush Admin., I not only did not hear the joke, I get to keep more of my earned money.


22 posted on 11/02/2004 8:52:36 AM PST by hushpad
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To: I still care

sure, fine.

But we are doing our fellow americans a dis-service if we think that there aren't some massive dislocations going on in the job market out there, and that people aren't hurting. because there are, believe me. and this is one area where Bush, in a second term, has to do better. the private sector middle class is the core of the republican party.


23 posted on 11/02/2004 8:52:38 AM PST by oceanview
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To: finnman69
The resident FR Bush hater rears his head on Elecion Day.

As you well know, I disagree with the economic policies of BOTH globalist candidates. Neither one has the best interests of the American Middle Class at the top of their priority list.

24 posted on 11/02/2004 8:53:06 AM PST by Willie Green (Hawkins/Tonnelson in 2004!!!)
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To: Willie Green
Thanks Willie for strengthening my resolve to volunteering 2 more hours today in offering rides to the polls.You are a great motivator!
25 posted on 11/02/2004 8:53:20 AM PST by afnamvet (Tuy Hoa AB RVN 68-69 Jet Noise...The Sound of Freedom!)
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To: finnman69
From the article....The layoff was hard on our marriage. I started to wonder whether my husband really was a loser, as the job market would have had us believe.

What a horrible person. My wife has been laid off, and a thought like "My wife is a loser" would never cross my mind. How can anyone believe the author, after they make a statement like this?

26 posted on 11/02/2004 8:54:15 AM PST by wbill
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To: shellcracker

"Well then explain why someone who has a good work record and attendance record should be laid off just to make his employer more money or improve his stock rating."

If laying you off saves an employer money, you evidently weren't contributing much to the business, now were you?


27 posted on 11/02/2004 8:54:26 AM PST by L98Fiero
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To: oceanview

I don't remember the exact timing, except that to get a pension you needed 20 years. And I remember the house operator (who had been around a long time, and was privy to all the businessplace gossip) telling him they had a history of firing people just before they became eligible for the full pension - so to be careful and look out.

I left at that time, but going back a few months later to visit, sure enough people told me he had indeed been "let go".


28 posted on 11/02/2004 8:54:31 AM PST by I still care (America is not the problem - it is the solution..)
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To: Willie Green

Give it a rest.


30 posted on 11/02/2004 8:54:47 AM PST by Max Combined (I gave back, I can't remember, six, seven, eight, nine...)
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To: Willie Green
Her daughter's husband was laid off in July from a company where he had worked for 28 years. He will miss out on his pension and faces job-hunting now at age 52.

Wow! What happened? Did Bush outsource this guys pension to the northern alliance warlords in Afghanistan?

32 posted on 11/02/2004 8:56:14 AM PST by VRWCmember (Although rare, elections lasting longer than 4 weeks require immediate legal attention.)
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To: Willie Green

My two cents: The jobs that are going or gone are not coming back, no matter who wins. This is what happened when the smokestack jobs left in the 80s and it's happening now with the outsourcing of jobs to the third world. It's not fair and it's not nice, but it really is the way things are at this point in our history.


33 posted on 11/02/2004 8:56:39 AM PST by durasell (Friends are so alarming, My lover's never charming...)
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To: shellcracker

"SAVING money and making more money are not the same thing."

A penny saved is a penny earned.


35 posted on 11/02/2004 8:57:46 AM PST by L98Fiero
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To: shellcracker

I'm not saying it is fair. I'm just saying this is the way it is.

One of my mother's favorite sayings - Life isn't fair.


36 posted on 11/02/2004 8:57:55 AM PST by I still care (America is not the problem - it is the solution..)
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To: durasell

They're hiring in Mexico, Willie. Good luck on your job search.


37 posted on 11/02/2004 8:58:05 AM PST by Elvis van Foster
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To: shellcracker

I was kidding. Layoffs should never be illegal. Such a law would communist.


39 posted on 11/02/2004 8:59:23 AM PST by wideawake (God bless our brave soldiers and their Commander in Chief)
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To: I still care

it depends on the rules in that particular company. all I am saying now, is that with the family/medical leave act in place, in most cases, if you get within one year of eligibility, you can take leave to cover the gap.


40 posted on 11/02/2004 8:59:35 AM PST by oceanview
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To: hushpad
I never heard the lay off joke during Reagans years in office

Of course not.
Ronald Reagan was principled and handled economic issues seriously.

but I personally heard that Joke TWICE during clintons admin. With the Bush Admin., I not only did not hear the joke,

"Compassionate" conservatives snicker when they "feel our pain".

41 posted on 11/02/2004 9:01:10 AM PST by Willie Green (Hawkins/Tonnelson in 2004!!!)
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To: L98Fiero

God forbid that we are responsible for the decisions we make, or don't make, in our financial lives, or personal life that may effect our funds.

If you cannot make it in America, then it is not America's fault, but your own.


42 posted on 11/02/2004 9:01:13 AM PST by roses of sharon
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To: shellcracker

That isn't going to happen. And anyone who picks up that particular political mantle would be a fool. He might as well promise sunshine and free candy.


44 posted on 11/02/2004 9:02:21 AM PST by durasell (Friends are so alarming, My lover's never charming...)
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To: Willie Green
Willie,

This has been going on for years. This is not Bush's fault and he can't fix it. Neither can Kerry.

It is not within their power.

I got laid off from Motorola 2 years ago at age 50.

Many companies just seem to want to get rid of older employees and hire folks right out of college.

If you want to blame anyone, blame the corporate bean counters and MBA's who think they're getting a great deal hiring someone right out of school for $10,000/yr less and laying off someone with 20 years of experience.

Generally speaking, it's no bargain, but then the folks who make these decisions are seldom held accountable. They can just show the CEO how much money they "saved", and don't have to explain piss poor quality, waste, ignorant mistakes, etc.

CEO's just focus on next quarters profits since thats what their bonuses are based on.

Experience counts, but most US companies don't know how to measure its value.

Government CAN'T fix this crappy situation.
45 posted on 11/02/2004 9:02:21 AM PST by EEDUDE (Time flies like an arrow. Fruit flies like a banana.)
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To: oceanview

Don't hold your breath.....once he shoves through the FTAA there'll be even more job dislocation, outsourcing and increased illegal immigration. Anyone who thinks otherwise is dreaming.


46 posted on 11/02/2004 9:02:27 AM PST by american spirit
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To: Willie Green

"Compassionate" conservatives snicker when they "feel our pain".<<<

What? Did I miss a joke? I felt the laddies pain allright, I just never whined about it in public. Rather than complain, I hung on until the democrat was booted.


48 posted on 11/02/2004 9:04:09 AM PST by hushpad
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To: durasell

not true. if we could get some civil strife up and running in china, US corporations which are currently pouring money there to build technology companies, would freeze up, and redirect back home.


50 posted on 11/02/2004 9:04:59 AM PST by oceanview
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