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The 7 Hour Presidency of JFK2 (Politcal Pros React to Network Exit Polling Debacle)
MSN News ^ | 11/04/04 | Kaus

Posted on 11/03/2004 10:09:40 AM PST by gopwinsin04

The following email from a anonymous very knowledgeable source seems to summarize yesterday quite effectively:

'The people behind the Voter News 2000 disaster and the complete collapse of the VNS in 2002 must be overjoyed with the utterly dreadful performance of the much ballyhooed National Election Pool.'

They f***** up the national poll, countless state polls, (Virginia a tossup?) and God knows what elese.

The entire mainstream news media goes on a completely misguided goose chase for SEVEN FREAKING HOURS from 2PM to 9PM.

Since few of them have no idea how to read a county vote table, many of then kept pumping up the Kerry wins fable well into the night.

It's an unelieveable f*** up.

(Excerpt) Read more at slate.msn.com ...


TOPICS: Extended News; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: District of Columbia
KEYWORDS: dirtytricks; exitpolls; mediabias; msm; polls; rats; turnout; votersuppression
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So even the libs knew it was a fraud when they read the county by county results!
1 posted on 11/03/2004 10:09:40 AM PST by gopwinsin04
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To: gopwinsin04

Another couple funny comments by Kaus:

"Bush 51, Kerry 48: [Dem] Pollster Ruy Teixeira demands that these raw numbers be weighted to reflect party I.D.!"

"Is Zogby Nailed to the Perch? He waits until 5:00 P.M. on Election Day to make his '2004 Predictions,' and still gets it all wrong!"


2 posted on 11/03/2004 10:12:53 AM PST by Numbers Guy
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To: Numbers Guy

Zogby is finished! 311 EV's for Skerry..


3 posted on 11/03/2004 10:14:36 AM PST by gopwinsin04
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To: gopwinsin04

Susan Estrich bought it hook line and sinker. I saw her of Fox with her head bobbing while she was telling the boys that she know Kerry was going to pull it out in the end. She took her stoopid pill twice yesterday.


4 posted on 11/03/2004 10:16:24 AM PST by Thebaddog (Dawgs can smell a winner. W!)
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To: Thebaddog

Judy Woodruff smiled like she was at her Junior Prom for about 2 hours last night..


5 posted on 11/03/2004 10:17:33 AM PST by gopwinsin04
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To: gopwinsin04

I believe the fraud was purposed to dis-enchant the Bush voters of Central, Mountain and Pacific Time zones. If this could be proven, is there a law that's been broken?.....


6 posted on 11/03/2004 10:18:54 AM PST by Red Badger (Ask not for whom the Freeper freeps, they freep for thee........)
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To: Red Badger

The head exit poll guy used to work for CBS News and polled 59% female/41% male..


7 posted on 11/03/2004 10:22:24 AM PST by gopwinsin04
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To: Red Badger
Yeah but at least they sued the votes in New York, California and Illinois so that those states are now safe from attacks by Bin laudin and company.
8 posted on 11/03/2004 10:22:37 AM PST by fella
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To: gopwinsin04

Poor Judy WoofWoof. All dressed up for the prom and nowhere to go.


9 posted on 11/03/2004 10:24:06 AM PST by carl in alaska (Once a Chargers fan, always a Chargers fan....)
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To: Thebaddog
Estrich kept screeching, "Either John Kerry wins big or the polls are wrong."

Guess we know that answer now...

10 posted on 11/03/2004 10:25:25 AM PST by Wyatt's Torch
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To: Thebaddog
Susan Estrich bought it hook line and sinker. I saw her of Fox with her head bobbing while she was telling the boys that she know Kerry was going to pull it out in the end. She took her stoopid pill twice yesterday.

When Susan E-screech was on I said to the lovely and gracious Mrs. Theknow (can you tell she is still PO'ed about the washing machine for her birthday) that Susie was either off her meds, over-medicated or damn near commode-hugging drunk.

After a few more seconds, aforementioned beauty said, "She IS plastered!"

11 posted on 11/03/2004 10:25:58 AM PST by N. Theknow ("We will take your money and use it for the common good.")
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To: gopwinsin04

CNN Radio was giddy in reporting how SC and NC had "not yet been called" for Bush at 8:45 pm. "This could be a long night for the President."


12 posted on 11/03/2004 10:26:42 AM PST by Guillermo (OJ is innocent because Mark Fuhrman said the "N" word.)
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To: Guillermo

I tuned into CNN to see just how giddy they were, even Tucker Carlson bought the exit polls hook line and sinker..


13 posted on 11/03/2004 10:28:22 AM PST by gopwinsin04
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To: gopwinsin04

"Judy Woodruff smiled like she was at her Junior Prom for about 2 hours last night.."

Poor Judy! LOL!


14 posted on 11/03/2004 10:28:29 AM PST by ShandaLear (Vindication in mine, sayeth the Dubya!)
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To: Numbers Guy
"Is Zogby Nailed to the Perch? He waits until 5:00 P.M. on Election Day to make his '2004 Predictions,' and still gets it all wrong!"

EXCELLENT Python reference.

15 posted on 11/03/2004 10:29:04 AM PST by Petronski (Kerry cannot have lost....the Redskins won on Sunday!)
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To: gopwinsin04

Tinkerbell Tucker is turning into a leftist, and will be fully out of the closet shortly.

I was listening to CNN radio while driving. Fox had the best election coverage. Local Fox had Shepard Smith and Fox News had Brit Hume. I would have figured that order would have been reveresed.


16 posted on 11/03/2004 10:30:03 AM PST by Guillermo (OJ is innocent because Mark Fuhrman said the "N" word.)
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To: Wyatt's Torch

Hearing Estrich screeching "Cuyahoga County" over and over last night almost drove me to madness.


17 posted on 11/03/2004 10:30:26 AM PST by Petronski (Kerry cannot have lost....the Redskins won on Sunday!)
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To: carl in alaska

Now Judy's in "Funeral Black".


18 posted on 11/03/2004 10:30:50 AM PST by balk (Martin's goin' down (just you wait!))
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To: Guillermo
Tucker actually predicted Skerry would win last night!
19 posted on 11/03/2004 10:31:31 AM PST by gopwinsin04
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To: Petronski

She was infatuated with the scenario. Good thing Michael Barone completely debunked her theory immediately after she left the screen. He was great to watch.


21 posted on 11/03/2004 10:37:26 AM PST by Wyatt's Torch
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To: gopwinsin04

Before exit polls media had something called key precincts. Ones that could be counted on to provide quick final tallies and were consistent in their results year to year. A sharp reporter, and there used to be many, could look ath a half dozen key precincts in a state and make a good judgement as to how the state would go that evening. No voters were intimidated by pollsters. No results were skewed by knowledge of the polling reaults. Of ourse you didn't have the bells and whistles of how the left handed lesbian paperhanging vote would move, but it was always quite an educational experience watching the results. Reporters asked why something happened and had to come up with an opinion based on THEIR knowledge. Always a chancy job, and today an unheard of one.


22 posted on 11/03/2004 10:40:19 AM PST by xkaydet65
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To: Wyatt's Torch

Michael Barone was by far the smartest commentator on TV last night. It was scary how he seemed to know the swing states county by county, almost precinct by precinct. And he was loving it. By the early morning hours he looked like he was on his fifth gallon of coffee.


23 posted on 11/03/2004 10:43:13 AM PST by colorado tanker ("medals, ribbons, we threw away the symbols of what our country gave us and I'm proud of that")
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To: Guillermo
Tinkerbell Tucker is turning into a leftist, and will be fully out of the closet shortly

I must send him and David Brock a wedding present, (whoops) They are quickly running out of states to travel to.
24 posted on 11/03/2004 10:54:20 AM PST by sharkhawk (It's 5 O'clock somewhere)
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To: gopwinsin04

I knew it was a fraud at 8:00 pm, when you could already see Bush's margins in Ohio and nationwide.

He was winning by 5% more in every state reporting over 2000. They could have called the election right then and there. I did.


25 posted on 11/03/2004 10:56:11 AM PST by Hermann the Cherusker
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To: xkaydet65

Bingo, there was a guy on NBC5 here in Chicago who could nail the numbers. This was good in 2 ways, No monkey business of trying to swing the votes either way. They could even tell if a precinct was having an off night versus the prior election results. This is basically what Barone was doing last night, except he only had the county data, and had to sort of guestimate the precincts


26 posted on 11/03/2004 10:59:18 AM PST by sharkhawk (It's 5 O'clock somewhere)
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To: N. Theknow

My bride asked for a welding kit for her last birthday. Mrs. Theknow is in good company on this site. How can you ever say I love you without power tools or major appliances?


27 posted on 11/03/2004 11:03:59 AM PST by Thebaddog (Dawgs can smell a winner. W!)
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To: Thebaddog
Susan Estrich bought it hook line and sinker.

I couldn't stand watching the witch. She was so sure of her absolute infallibility. What was really funny was that every single projection and prediction she made was proven wrong in every single way as the night progressed. I didn't watch things closely enough to see if Brit ever shoved her previous statements into her face. I really hope he did.

28 posted on 11/03/2004 11:31:49 AM PST by zeugma (Come to the Dark Side...... We have cookies!)
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To: Petronski
EXCELLENT Python reference.

Ya. The 2nd funniest line ever said on television is ... "This is an ex-parrot!"

Do you know the funniest line ever said on TV?

29 posted on 11/03/2004 11:35:48 AM PST by zeugma (Come to the Dark Side...... We have cookies!)
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To: colorado tanker
Yeah...there were a lot of smart math/statistics types behind him as well. I stopped everything I was doing when he came on. Very good stuff.

Brit also did a nice job asking Barone questions and making quick interpretations. They made for a good duo.

30 posted on 11/03/2004 11:39:56 AM PST by Wyatt's Torch
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To: Red Badger
If this could be proven, is there a law that's been broken?.....

What is the value of a 100 point loss on the DJIA?

31 posted on 11/03/2004 11:48:35 AM PST by Mike Darancette (Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.)
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To: Wyatt's Torch

Barone was awesome. With the exception of him, though, I thought that Fox and Hume were off their game. Greenfield at CNN was great too. I was flipping back and forth between Barone and Greenfield; I thought everyone else was just doing a circle jerk.


32 posted on 11/03/2004 11:49:30 AM PST by Looper
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What is the value of a 100 point loss on the DJIA? Depends on whether you were selling short or not......
33 posted on 11/03/2004 11:52:11 AM PST by Red Badger (Ask not for whom the Freeper freeps, they freep for thee........)
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To: Wyatt's Torch
Good thing Michael Barone completely debunked her theory immediately after she left the screen. He was great to watch.

All hail to Michael Barone. What a pro!!! He appears to have intimate knowledge of every political demographic nook and cranny in America.

34 posted on 11/03/2004 11:54:03 AM PST by Plutarch
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To: Looper

"Barone was awesome. With the exception of him, though, I thought that Fox and Hume were off their game"


---I did not turn TV on until about 2:30am today....I got all my news right here and was more confident by doing that as it turned out.


35 posted on 11/03/2004 11:54:55 AM PST by MichelleWSC
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To: Thebaddog
Susan Estrich bought it hook line and sinker. I saw her of Fox with her head bobbing while she was telling the boys that she know Kerry was going to pull it out in the end.

A Couple observations about that...

The first. It was Hilarious and disturbing at the same time, They need to be checking her basement for bodies about now.

By then Kristol, and Brit were on to the fact that the polls were F*d, but as Dick Morris notes, prior to last night they were taken as the gospel truth, but Susan looked like she was completely over the edge.....

36 posted on 11/03/2004 12:03:51 PM PST by hobbes1 (Hobbes1TheOmniscient® "I know everything so you don't have to" ;)
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To: Hermann the Cherusker

Me too, I knew then it was Bravo Sierra..


37 posted on 11/03/2004 12:14:52 PM PST by gopwinsin04
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To: zeugma

"As God is my witness I thought turkeys could fly."


38 posted on 11/03/2004 12:25:56 PM PST by stands2reason
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To: zeugma
That's "as God as my witness"
39 posted on 11/03/2004 12:28:13 PM PST by stands2reason
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To: zeugma

EXCELLENT Python reference.
Ya. The 2nd funniest line ever said on television is ... "This is an ex-parrot!"

Do you know the funniest line ever said on TV?

Here it is: "I'm John Kerry. And I'm reporting for duty!"


40 posted on 11/03/2004 12:29:47 PM PST by strider44
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To: zeugma

EXCELLENT Python reference.
Ya. The 2nd funniest line ever said on television is ... "This is an ex-parrot!"

Do you know the funniest line ever said on TV?

Here it is: "I'm John Kerry. And I'm reporting for duty!"


41 posted on 11/03/2004 12:30:40 PM PST by strider44
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To: gopwinsin04

What's Chris Matthews up to today?


42 posted on 11/03/2004 12:32:15 PM PST by Saundra Duffy (,)
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To: MichelleWSC
No TV here. Just listened to Hugh Hewitt. He was great.
He too, had Barone on.

4 more years!!!
43 posted on 11/03/2004 12:36:27 PM PST by woody9
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To: stands2reason
"As God is my witness I thought turkeys could fly."

Bingo! I get a chuckle just thinking about it after all these years.

44 posted on 11/03/2004 12:44:48 PM PST by zeugma (Come to the Dark Side...... We have cookies!)
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To: hobbes1
The one thing I noticed about Susan last night was that she seemed to be wearing extra makeup. I guess she wanted to look her best when "Kerry won".

Just goes to show that there's not enough makeup to hide a special kind of ugly.

Incidental, the early exit polls actually motivated me to make sure that every Bush supporter I knew got themselves to the Polls. Looks like it's going to pay off here in New Mexico.
45 posted on 11/03/2004 12:57:19 PM PST by CougarGA7 (Do you think Teressa is going to cut Johns allowance for not making her First Lady?)
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To: Thebaddog

Did anyone see CNN Wolfe Blitzer give Kennedy 20 minutes of air time to try to demoralize Bush voters saying it was clearly a Kerry win...how great it was to have the Sox win the World Series.....culminating in a lavitra induced shiver of ecstacy call the name of President Kerry. THe MSM is the biggest looser in this whole buisness. Dan Rather is still in denial. He resides in a paralell univerise. He is a pathetic shell of a journalist.


46 posted on 11/03/2004 1:05:20 PM PST by Texas Songwriter (Texas Songwriter)
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To: N. Theknow

Ms. Estrus was highly incensed when Brit referred to her as a know-it-all. She didn't accept his tangential apology he offered after he realized he hurt her feelings. Will toughen up bitch.


47 posted on 11/03/2004 1:07:52 PM PST by Texas Songwriter (Texas Songwriter)
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To: N. Theknow

Ms. Estrus was highly incensed when Brit referred to her as a know-it-all. She didn't accept his tangential apology he offered after he realized he hurt her feelings. Well toughen up bitch.


48 posted on 11/03/2004 1:08:10 PM PST by Texas Songwriter (Texas Songwriter)
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To: Saundra Duffy

That reminds me to watch Chrissy after my nap..


49 posted on 11/03/2004 1:09:05 PM PST by gopwinsin04
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To: gopwinsin04
The head exit poll guy used to work for CBS News and polled 59% female/41% male

Not only that but they only polled in big cities.
50 posted on 11/03/2004 1:11:53 PM PST by Republican Red (A Global Freak'n Test ???????)
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