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Boro Park turns out for Bush
Haaretz ^ | 02:33 04/11/2004 | Shlomo Shamir

Posted on 11/03/2004 5:08:51 PM PST by Former Military Chick

NEW YORK - Toward the end of the day, as the lines at most of the other polling booths in New York grew longer, those at Public School 180 in Brooklyn's Boro Park started to thin out. There were mainly women in the line, ultra-Orthodox women in long black dresses, with covered heads or wigs. Most of them were pushing baby carriages and trailed behind them a string of small children - until they had to go behind the curtain of the polling booth.

In Boro Park, it was time for studying the daily page of Gemara, and no Haredi man would miss that.

"There was a lot of activity here during the day," one of the women at the registration table notes, before hurrying over to help a very elderly man who entered the hall slowly. But Alex Steinberg, aged 90, does not want assistance and is eager to fulfill his civic duty. "I voted Bush," he says proudly, as he leaves a few minutes later. He straightens his back. "Four years ago, I voted for Al Gore. Then I was afraid George W. Bush would go in his father's footsteps and be bad for Israel." He switches to Yiddish. "Now everyone knows that he is a great friend of Israel."

Steinberg, a Holocaust survivor who came to America 60 years ago, has a son in Jerusalem. "I'm going to Israel soon," he says.

P.S. 180 is located between 56th and 57th Streets on 16th Ave - a crowded neighborhood where, until 15 years ago, mainly Italians lived. But the natural increase in the Haredi population has turned it into one of the most densely populated religious quarters in the Jewish world. Hundreds of rabbis and Torah sages are active there and they are revered far and wide. But not one of them interfered in the election, and no yeshiva head was heard telling his students for whom to vote.

When Haaretz asked one local activist why there were no such calls, he laughed. "No rabbis intervene in politics here, at least not openly. We don't have an Ovadia Yosef in Boro Park."

But in conversations with Jewish voters there, it was clear there was no need for this.

"I don't see how any Jew could not support Bush," one said. This was echoed by many others coming out of the polling booth. Some 10,000 voters are registered in Boro park and it was estimated that 7,000 would have cast their ballots there by the end of the day.

"The vast majority of voters here are registered Democrats," says Congressman Dov Hikind, who represent the borough. "In 2000, more than 50 percent voted for Gore and Joseph Lieberman. I expect some 90 percent to vote Bush [this time]" he says.

Hikind, a Democrat assemblyman, is also up for reelection. He tries not to stand near the polling booth but corners voters on their way to the school. "Vote Bush," he urges them. This is the third time Hikind is promoting a Republican. The other two were Rudolph Giuliani for New York mayoral race and George Pataki for governor.

On the other hand, the vast majority of Boro Park voters is believed to have given their support to Democratic Senator Charles (Chuck) Schumer, who was seeking a second term. "You can count on the Boro Park voters," one activist said.

Asked whether the vast majority of New York Jews who voted for John Kerry do not care about Israel, local activists responded: "Heaven forbid. They also support Israel. But their care for Israel is not their prime consideration, perhaps their last."

Ze'ev Hollander, a yeshiva student, comes beaming out of the polling booth. "Kerry went to speak to Arabs in Washington and attacked the separation fence," he says with disdain. "Make a note - here everyone voted Bush because we care about Israel more than the Israelis care about themselves."

Rabbi Yehoshua Berger says that it is obvious Bush must be supported because "he has proven himself as Israel's friend." But he admits that the voters are aware that votes for Bush in New York are actually lost votes. "Still, we have to express gratitude."

Tonia Castro also voted for Bush. She is not Jewish but has lived in Boro Park for many years and works in the municipal sanitation department. "I am a devout Christian and support Bush because he opposes abortion and single-sex marriages," she says, holding my arm. "He can't stand homosexuals."

Late into the night, a Jew in a silk coat and with a long and well-cared-for beard left the polling booth. He had long side curls and refused to give his name. But he did admit to voting for John Kerry. He is aware that he is among a small minority in the neighborhood.

"The Democrats are interested in education, and that is most important," he says. The man is a rabbi in a nearby synagogue. "I also have a disabled child who needs a grant for his special education," he adds.


TOPICS: Extended News; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: New York
KEYWORDS: bush; gwb2004; jewish; jewishvote; nyc; religiousvote
I really think it is the dawn of a new day. OK for some of us, it is the sunset of the new day.

This is a topic worthy of future discussions.

Yet, I just feel like our country has found its map.

1 posted on 11/03/2004 5:08:51 PM PST by Former Military Chick
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To: Former Military Chick
I think our country has finally just decided 'we have had enough' We the traditionalists are also the ones who don't want to govern every minute of your life, we are the tolerant. But you who hold the power on the left have moved too far, you are not satisfied to have others just accept that you want to live your life in your way, you took the step to say that ALL must live life in your way, that OUR children must be educated in your image, OUR faith must be converted to your belief.

We have finally had enough, and our instinct to protect that which makes us who we are - the legacy of the Founding Fathers- has finally awakened and we are fighting back to stop the destruction of this great country.

2 posted on 11/03/2004 6:00:37 PM PST by Ruth C (learn to analyze rationally and extrapolate consequences ... you might become a conservative)
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To: Former Military Chick

Too bad vote-fraud ridden New York won't post timely precinct results so we could check the Boro Park precincts totals!


3 posted on 11/03/2004 6:21:31 PM PST by hlmencken3 (Think good and it will be good!)
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To: Former Military Chick; SJackson; Alouette; veronica; Bella_Bru

Hey, where are all the "Jews vote for commies and drink KoolAid" nuts on this thread?


4 posted on 11/03/2004 7:09:43 PM PST by Cinnamon Girl (OMGIIHIHOIIC ping list)
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To: Cinnamon Girl
They'll be here.

Though on a Brooklyn (I think Boro Park is there) thread they'll be Jews=Russian mafia posters.

A shame the Dodgers left for the wastelands.


5 posted on 11/03/2004 7:15:41 PM PST by SJackson ( Bush is as free as a bird, He is only accountable to history and God, Ra'anan Gissin)
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To: 1bigdictator; 1st-P-In-The-Pod; 2sheep; 7.62 x 51mm; A Jovial Cad; A_Conservative_in_Cambridge; ...
FRmail me to be added or removed from this Judaic/pro-Israel ping list.

WARNING: This is a high volume ping list

6 posted on 11/03/2004 7:22:00 PM PST by Alouette (Schadenfreude--it's better than prozac!)
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To: Alouette
"Schadenfreude" Sounds like something my gramma used to say...

This must be a type of strudel or pastry? Right?

I will google it and find a recipe.
7 posted on 11/03/2004 7:38:42 PM PST by Esther Ruth (Thank you Lord for George W. Bush!!!)
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To: Former Military Chick; Alouette
"Yet, I just feel like our country has found its map."

Thanks for the ping, Alouette.

FMC, that is an excellent way to put it!
We have been floundering along accepting whatever the liberals want to shove down our throats.
No more! It's time to fight back - yesterday, today, and everyday!

It's very encouraging to see the Jewish voters turning away from the liberal lies.

8 posted on 11/03/2004 7:44:14 PM PST by TexasCowboy (COB1)
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To: Cinnamon Girl

I believe that the great majority of observant religious Jews voted for Bush. It's the progressive secular Jews who voted for kerry.

What does it mean to be a Jew? Part of it is in the blood. Part of it is a matter of simply choosing to be a Jew rather than repudiating your heritage.

But to me, as an outsider, the most important thing for a Jew is to observe the Covenant.

"This day I call heaven and earth as witnesses against you that I have set before you life and death, blessings and curses. Now choose life, so that you and your children may live."

--Deuteronomy 30:19


9 posted on 11/03/2004 7:46:41 PM PST by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: Former Military Chick
I really think it is the dawn of a new day.

Ha'aretz actually wrote a pro-Haredi article! I'm going to faint.

10 posted on 11/03/2004 7:46:49 PM PST by Alouette (Schadenfreude--it's better than prozac!)
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To: Former Military Chick
Late into the night, a Jew in a silk coat and with a long and well-cared-for beard left the polling booth. He had long side curls and refused to give his name. But he did admit to voting for John Kerry. He is aware that he is among a small minority in the neighborhood.

WOW, surprise, surprise, surprise.

Usually those voting for Republicans try to stay in the closet.

11 posted on 11/03/2004 7:47:24 PM PST by Aquakat
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To: Esther Ruth
"Schadenfreude"

This must be a type of strudel or pastry? Right?

You bet! No carbs or calories, just Democrats moaning and wailing.

12 posted on 11/03/2004 7:48:15 PM PST by Alouette (Schadenfreude--it's better than prozac!)
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To: Former Military Chick

Thanks for posting this. I posted on Monday that Orthodox and Hasidic Jews would vote for Bush.

It's nice to find out I was right.


13 posted on 11/03/2004 7:52:44 PM PST by Palladin (Proud to be a FReeper!)
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To: Cacique; rmlew; BrooklynGOP; The Scourge of Yazid

Ping!


14 posted on 11/03/2004 8:04:29 PM PST by Clemenza (AKA The Avenging Disco Godfather)
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To: Alouette
Until quite recently, I lived in a nabe that adjoined Borough Park. This is good news.

Now get out there and convert some of your more secular minded bretheren! ;-)

15 posted on 11/03/2004 8:05:53 PM PST by Clemenza (AKA The Avenging Disco Godfather)
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To: Clemenza
Now get out there and convert some of your more secular minded bretheren! ;-)

My sons are out already doing that in the former Soviet Union.

16 posted on 11/03/2004 8:17:42 PM PST by Alouette (Schadenfreude--it's better than prozac!)
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To: Alouette

Happy to hear that. Tell them to say hello to Lev Leviev (sp) for me.


17 posted on 11/03/2004 8:19:53 PM PST by Clemenza (AKA The Avenging Disco Godfather)
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To: Esther Ruth
"Schadenfreude" Sounds like something my gramma used to say...This must be a type of strudel or pastry? Right?...I will google it and find a recipe.

Sweet, though not a pastry.

You're going to love it!

And you already know the recipe.

18 posted on 11/03/2004 8:21:44 PM PST by SJackson ( Bush is as free as a bird, He is only accountable to history and God, Ra'anan Gissin)
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To: Alouette

Ha'aretz has a new religious editor (since mid-summer).


19 posted on 11/03/2004 8:36:11 PM PST by Piranha
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To: Former Military Chick
Boro Park has always been one of my favorite neighborhoods in NYC...and I'm not even Jewish.
20 posted on 11/03/2004 8:43:36 PM PST by FreeReign
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To: Piranha

Ilan Shachar got axed?

Jerusalem Post has taken a left turn and Ha'aretz is turning right?

We'll see who's the first to report that Arafat has achieved room temperature.


21 posted on 11/03/2004 8:44:43 PM PST by Alouette (Schadenfreude--it's better than prozac!)
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To: Cicero

Shalom.


22 posted on 11/03/2004 8:47:29 PM PST by Edgewood Pilot
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To: Former Military Chick
"Now everyone knows that he is a great friend of Israel."

More Jews voted for President Bush than in 2000.

The more pious, the more likely to vote Bush !

23 posted on 11/03/2004 8:49:37 PM PST by af_vet_1981
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To: Alouette

I don't know Ilan Shachar, but here's an article about David Landau. He's religious, but left wing. Also, I was wrong about the date. The change happened in February (glad I checked).

http://allisonkaplansommer.blogmosis.com/history/020995.html


24 posted on 11/03/2004 8:51:07 PM PST by Piranha
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To: Alouette

It looks like Shachar is the daily features editor:

http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/pages/QA.jhtml?qaNo=85&_loopback=1


25 posted on 11/03/2004 8:53:02 PM PST by Piranha
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To: Alouette

LOL!


26 posted on 11/03/2004 8:54:03 PM PST by Yehuda (G-d Bless our Troops!)
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To: Former Military Chick

Anyone know the total percentage of the Jewish vote that went to Bush? I hope it's better than last time.


27 posted on 11/03/2004 10:59:36 PM PST by Tabi Katz
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To: Former Military Chick; Clemenza
"The vast majority of voters here are registered Democrats," says Congressman Dov Hikind,

Dov, who happens to be a friend of mine (I went to school with him) Is a state assemblyman, not a congressman. The congressman that represents his district is unfortunately Jerrold Nadler, who easily won re-election.

28 posted on 11/04/2004 1:12:22 AM PST by Cacique (quos Deus vult perdere, prius dementat)
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To: TexasCowboy

Thank TC for the kind words. It was early and sometimes I type faster then I think, or is the other way around, but you get the idea.

I am so thrilled that the Jewish voter realizes that there is room under the GOP tent.

We own a home in Owings Mills Maryland. Many Jewish families and along with their being Jewish they were very liberal democrats. Two terms ago Sauerbrey (sp) ran for Governor. We lost and not until Earlich won have the folks moved somewhat to the center.

Perhaps when we return, some have found a home in the republican party.

Again, thank you for your thoughtful post.


29 posted on 11/04/2004 8:37:56 PM PST by Former Military Chick (-"There's no limit to what a man can do or where he can go if he doesn't mind who gets the credit.")
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To: Chieftain; Ragtime Cowgirl; gatorbait; GreyFriar; americanmother; The Mayor; Seadog Bytes; ...

Jewish vote for Bush **ping**


30 posted on 11/04/2004 8:39:00 PM PST by Former Military Chick (-"There's no limit to what a man can do or where he can go if he doesn't mind who gets the credit.")
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