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11-03 | M. Peach

Posted on 11/03/2004 6:23:56 PM PST by M. Peach

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To: M. Peach

Rural folks either do live closer to the land or still have a perspective and mentality that comes from living close to the land.

Another way of saying that is--rural people are more likely to be more personally responsible for their choices, actions and associated consequences.

Even research has demonstrated conclusively that when responsibility is diffused, many people become irresponsible. I believe that dependency is also maximized amidst masses of people.

Certainly the DIMRATS are gods of the irresponsible and the dependent.

. . . and those traits are major seduction tools of satan. And satan spawn like Shrillery and SKerry are gifted at using such in the best demonized Machiavellian form.


101 posted on 11/03/2004 6:53:36 PM PST by Quix (PRAY! PRAY! PRAY! PRAY IN THE SPIRIT! SPEAK UP IN WALMART LINES! INFLUENCE ALL YOU CAN FOR GOOD!)
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To: M. Peach

High concentrations of minorities, colleges with mush headed students, the blatantly liberal teachers, and then there are the unions.


102 posted on 11/03/2004 6:53:41 PM PST by TASMANIANRED (What did Kerry know and when did he know it?)
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To: M. Peach
The answer to your son’s question lies in a simple history lesson.

The 19th century brought the shift from an agrarian economy to an industrial economy. In this shift, people massed in cities that provided easy access to labor, skills, resources and markets that drove the industrial economy. The influx of people to cities in search of jobs required the creation of large quantities of new housing. The vast majority of this housing was built at the turn of the last century and used lead-based paint. Quite simply, many children growing up in cities grew up eating lead-based paint when they were teething. Additionally, the industries in the urban centers produced toxic waste and pollution. The combination of lead-based paint, toxic waste and pollution lead to a vast proportion of urban populations being brain damaged.

103 posted on 11/03/2004 6:54:04 PM PST by PattonReincarnated (They say only 10% of Muslims are extremists - that's only 100,000,000+ people)
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To: M. Peach

The fresh air clears the mind and purifies the soul....a COUNTRY KID!!!!!


104 posted on 11/03/2004 6:55:12 PM PST by winker
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To: M. Peach
Out in the country, you're more likely to be on your own. That affects your thinking, bringing it into line with the conservative ideals of self-reliance, honesty - a handshake seals the deal - and an additional reliance upon God - there's no one around when the skys turn dark and the winds pick up, forcing one to his knees in prayer. The latter leads to a desire to know God through His Word.

In the city, there are so many people it's easier to hide. Self-reliance and honesty are not required for survival when theft provides a viable alternative. Temptations abound. The very values espoused by the agrarian posit a barrier to such fleshly pleasures. Many of the consequences lead to despair.

God's creation mandate to man was this: be fruitful and multiply, and rule and subdue the earth. Farmers are more in obedience to this command. Moreover, many of the problems that lead to false assumptions of overpopulation (and therefore create false demands for birth control and abortion). Such would not be the case at urban levels in an agrarian society.

105 posted on 11/03/2004 6:55:36 PM PST by Lexinom (Patty Murray: Too extreme for the United States of America)
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To: M. Peach
There is a lot of "group think" involved here. People are afraid to be different and they think that the most popular view is liberal. I have been traveling through PA and NJ every week since about May and for the few weeks I have worn my Bush-Cheney shirt in the airport. What I see are people who want to talk to me, but most seem afraid. Sometimes, they will only whisper to me. People somehow fear that being Republican is equated to being a bigot or it is something to be ashamed of. In rural areas, frankly, people are not as concerned of what others think of them. They say what they mean and mean what they say. They know if they do not work that day, then they may not be able to provide for their families, and that is what is important. Welfare systems are not part of their thought process.

Another thing is that something like 80% of the US believes in God, but fewer people in high population cities actually attend church, where as in the rural communities it is part of life. Since morals are important to people that attend church more, voting based upon morals becomes relevant, which was shown in this election. A big difference between Bush and Kerry in this election is that Kerry had to prove that he went to church, but Bush did not. It rings hallow to believers if you have to prove to people that you actually go to church.

Another point that I was reminded of just today is that liberals think that rural people are stupid. Yesterday, Juan Williams on Fox said the reason why they could not call NC (my state) was that there has been a recent influx of highly educated people into the state so that skews the predictions…the result was 56/44. Another guy (I heard the sound bite on Rush from Joe something) said that “now that we have fixed slavery, then we should let the south succeeded.” Both of these are insulting, but since the liberals think they are right, then they feel no need to apologize.

Just my two cents…I have a few more if you need them…
106 posted on 11/03/2004 6:55:43 PM PST by jrestrepo
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To: M. Peach

One factor is narcissism.

It's hard to be a narcissist in a rural area. Sure, there are some, but it's difficult to maintain. The backbone of the economy in rural areas tends to be the land, in one way or another. It may be farming, forestry, mining, or tourism, but the land is generally the commodity that sustains people.

If one has a belief in one's own superiority, it's difficult to work on the land. The land is humbling. A farmer can't say "with my genius, I can insure that this land will have the greatest yield it's ever had!" In general, a farmer has to use time-tested techniques to the best of his ability and hope for the best.

Someone running a resort by a natural wonder can't wake up and say "I'd like to do a deconstructionist theme this week" and hope to attract tourists. The resort owner knows that people are coming primaily to see the natural wonder, and all he can do is cater to their needs as best as possible.

Urban environments have room for narcissism. Perhaps someone wakes up with a belief that their personal vision in art or religion or policy is the best for the world. Because of the increased contact with people, the narcissist can sustain himself by convincing a small percentage of people he meets to buy into his vision.

Now, what does this have to do with politics? Conservativism is repugnant to narcissists. The conservative philosophy does not require an elite group. The emphasis is on the limitations to what humans can do. Experts can't decide prices as well as the marketplace, for example.

Likewise, liberalism attracts narcissism. Liberals believe people can change the world and that "experts" can do things that people can't do on their own.

Thus, narcissistic people tend to seek the cities and those with some humility will tend to seek the country. Millions of people living in the cities once lived in the country, and vice versa.


107 posted on 11/03/2004 6:55:50 PM PST by Our man in washington
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To: M. Peach

it's about ownership. many urban types rent,lease, or if they own, do so on a short term basis and are very transient.Ever hear of the "broken window" theory? Look it up some time. If you have a stake in the game( you own your home and property) , you care about it and the way it looks. How many hi-rise, low-rent apartments look well kept and clean? If the local politician can get the new arrivals
poor and in the city,believing they are destined to be dependent and needy on said pol, it's easier to keep a thumb on them.
Give them a vehicle and a road and they're out of there.
Race has less to do with it than how they you're raised.


108 posted on 11/03/2004 6:56:45 PM PST by Rakkasan1 (Justice of the Piece: Hope IS on the way...)
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To: hemi dawg; M. Peach

My daughter asked me about it too. I told her about the lab rat experiments we did in college. When too many of them were confined in a too small of a space, they got crazy and exhibited anti-social behaviors. I am serious. I believe this explains some of the problems with large cities.


109 posted on 11/03/2004 6:57:40 PM PST by Samwise (This day we fight! For all that you hold dear on this good Earth, I bid you stand, Men of the West!)
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To: hiredhand

Ping to 105. If I'm not mistaken, you (like many of my closest friends) farm for a living. Your insight would be valuable...


110 posted on 11/03/2004 6:57:42 PM PST by Lexinom (Patty Murray: Too extreme for the United States of America)
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To: PattonReincarnated
The combination of lead-based paint, toxic waste and pollution lead to a vast proportion of urban populations being brain damaged.

Oh, brilliant! You realize that one of the largest groups of Freepers is based in California ... the urban areas. I know as I have Freeped with them for years.

Your theory is ignorant and just plain stupid.

111 posted on 11/03/2004 6:58:41 PM PST by BunnySlippers ("F" Stands for FLIP-FLOP ...)
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To: digger48

I think your response is ignorant and unworthy the ether it travels on... Take your racism elsewhere...


112 posted on 11/03/2004 6:58:53 PM PST by RedWing9 (No tag here... Just want to stay vague...)
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To: M. Peach

Because everyone knows one another in rural areas. The 'rats can't cheat there.


113 posted on 11/03/2004 6:59:39 PM PST by Bush2000
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To: fuzzthatwuz

Somewhat moderate, not a surrogate voter for the Democrat party machine.


114 posted on 11/03/2004 6:59:39 PM PST by faithincowboys
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To: M. Peach

Most of the big 'Rat cities are coastal. These urban areas have a mix of factors that tend to attract (over a long time) a lot of the people cranked out in the interior that, for one reason or another, can't subsist on real, asset producing work.

Over the ages these people collect around institutions like Universities and "Think Tanks" like the rime of scum around the water line of a seldom cleaned toilet. There they are fed off of government and rich prior attendees and patrons handouts. They have a lot of time and mind altering substance access which enables them to think up grandiose, utopian schemes and ideas which will "make life better for the rest of us" or "make us more equal" or "save the earth from our destructiveness" while they drift net in hoardes of youth (frequently our own) to convert to their way of thinking.

If you look at the county map of the countries electoral results you can get a handle on it by considering the country as a host organism and all of the blue areas are a virulent parasitic infestation or a particularly nasty fungal infection. The biggest question is whether it's gotten rid of by eradication (revolution, which hurts the host organism) or, like common house ants, by securing the food source (money in the form of entitlements, grants, etc...) against them and allowing them to drop off or migrate to a new host organism.


115 posted on 11/03/2004 6:59:49 PM PST by Axenolith (This space for rent.)
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To: WineGuy
Actually, what Murray and Hernstien said about IQs in urban areas is that they are higher than in less densely populated areas, not lower.

I think that this is very dependent on ones' definition of "urban area". Do you mean the deep inner city, the city and surrounding suburbs, large cities like New York, or medium-sized cities like Cleveland or Nashville? There are some enormous differences in the demographics that occur with these different characteristics.

116 posted on 11/03/2004 6:59:55 PM PST by meyer (Our greatest opponent is a candidate called Complacency.)
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To: M. Peach

It's the Rat effect. It has been shown that overcrowding of Rats in captivity causes insanity.


117 posted on 11/03/2004 6:59:58 PM PST by angry elephant (Endangered species in Seattle)
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To: M. Peach

People who live in the rural communities are much more self-reliant. They understand the gun ethic and view themselves as independent.

People who live in the large metropolitain areas are much more likely to see themselves as part of the global community. "Can't we all just get along?" These people view guns as anti-social.

IMO, single moms with kids are much more likely to live in large metropolitain areas. Minorities in inner cities learn to survive on government programs. Once you've had regular government checks coming for a few years, the idea that safety net wouldn't be there for you really bothers people.

The liberal politicians have demagogued government handouts for generations. Minority leaders have convinced their constituents that the government must help them.

Government workers live in large metropolitain areas. Union workers live in large metropolitain areas. University professors generally live in large metropolitain areas.

The dynamics of inner city life, the large collective mentality that overwhelms people in the cities, is very pervasive. Living in the city, one is much more likley to become involved with the psychoanalysis community at some point in time.

The liberal influences in the settings I've mention above, are nearly unavoidable. Women who see themselves a nuturing are much more easily swayed by other entities that feign a nurturing component. Bill Clinton really cared. He wanted women to be able to choose. Big nanny government is there for you. Women buy into this. That's why women voted for Clinton around 65%. I realize that this wasn't supposed to be about women, but women who remain in the rural setting generally get married, start a family and fend for themselves. They can bounce their ideas off their husbands. Single women in the city feel vulnerable. Whether they realize it or not, big government many times becomes their husband by proxy, it providing income, health services and other things a good husband should help provide.

Well, this is the way I see it.

Take care.


118 posted on 11/03/2004 7:00:15 PM PST by DoughtyOne (US socialist liberalism would be dead without the help of politicians who claim to be conservatives)
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To: M. Peach

Urban dwellers tend to rent rather than own their home, and rely on, or look for, government services. The Democrat Party is in the business of making people dependent on government services, and offers the help of the Party to help secure government services, in exchange for political support


119 posted on 11/03/2004 7:00:23 PM PST by SauronOfMordor (We are going to fight until hell freezes over and then we are going to fight on the ice)
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To: M. Peach
One reason I've seen is that in the cities, people need to rely on the expected good order of everyday public things -- like roads, sewers, water, sanitiation, police, etc.

And in that expected good old reliable order, big in that, is the establishment press, the major media.

In the cities and dense areas people are exceedingly unwilling to deny that those they have long trusted, are comfortable with as infalliable reporters of what needs be reported are in all fact not so, but instead are unreliable, cravenly schemeing and mind stealing bastards.

When people voted for Kerry against Bush it was because they were unwilling to and unable to deny that old comfort. The old comfort has insisted and insisted and insisted that Bush was the sum of all evils.

To question that is to question all the expected and normal day-to-day infrastructure of life.

That is unbearably hard for most people.

120 posted on 11/03/2004 7:00:38 PM PST by bvw
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To: M. Peach

I'm going to dodge your question, but make a related comment.

The urban-rural divide implies that a better system of government for the United States would be a decentralized federal country partitioned into urban-rural districts, rather than the existing division of states.


121 posted on 11/03/2004 7:00:58 PM PST by IStillBelieve (G.W. Bush '04: Biggest popular vote victory in history!)
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To: M. Peach

Because Urban areas have less Oxygen and therefore can't think as clearly.


122 posted on 11/03/2004 7:01:15 PM PST by DoctorMichael (The Fourth Estate is a Fifth Column!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!)
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To: steplock
to be apolitical - the reason is simple - compare the large cities with beehives or ant colonies - they require a communist/socialist organization simply to survive - they know NOTHING else.

Actually, it can be traced back to WELFARE. Welfare created a dependency amongst the lowest economic strata. Back in the 60's during the civil rights movement, white guilt allowed the handouts to become a way of life for blacks. Welfare also encouraged the breakdown of black families (the more kids the bigger the check). When dependent on welfare, its a lot easier to live in center city USA due to lack of car ownership and the convenience that cities offer.

As crime went up in major cities, white plight took money and small businesses out of the cities. The population left behind were mostly government-dependent people. They elected local "leaders" that promised more government programs and handouts - there's nothing like voting yourself a raise and a few more bennies.

Nationally, the democrats latched onto blacks as a voting block. Today we have race pimps Sharpton and Jackson. The democrats as a party have made race baiting and exploitation of the social achievement gap an artform. So if you are in the lower economic strata and are told from the day you are born that your situation is what it is because of whitey, big business, big oil etc., you will vote for the people that allegedly are looking out for you.

123 posted on 11/03/2004 7:01:21 PM PST by Go Gordon (US Armed Forces in Iraq are kicking a$$ and taking hyphenated names)
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To: Looking4Truth

amen -- and it's a good thing to be interreliant, but a bad thing to be so slavishly.


124 posted on 11/03/2004 7:01:57 PM PST by bvw
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To: johnandre

That was a pretty bold essay that's hard to disagree with - You don't mince words, do you? I laughed when I read it, however even though I resemble one of the categories you mentioned - your candor is refreshing.

Is that you A+bert? Are you back again?


125 posted on 11/03/2004 7:02:39 PM PST by M. Peach (eschew obfuscation)
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To: M. Peach
Reason;
Public schools for the masses in big cities is mass production.
With emphasis on pushing them though not educating them at all.. The schools get money for student count not for how well the student is educated.. Rural schools are 180 degrees out from that mostly..

Get the federal gov't out of the school business like it used to be.. and America will right itself.. ignorance breeds traitors and where there is a lot of traitors there will be many to others "service them".. (Bill Clinton, Al Gore, Jesse Jackson, Al Sharpton, Arlen Spectre, Jim Jeffords, Dan Rather, Tom Dascle and so many others the list could be a library of categorys), there are some others reasons ALL bought to you by your "friendly" local democrat party.. and a few republicans too..

126 posted on 11/03/2004 7:03:44 PM PST by hosepipe (This propaganda has been edited to included some fully orbed hyperbole....)
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To: Republicanus_Tyrannus

I am quite impressed with your analysis. Well written also. I think you have nailed the 'New York' style ward boss' mentality of the democratic machine. Terry McCaufilie is nothing more than a modern day "Boss Tweed". For those of you who aren't familiar here is a snippit worth reading.

'While political corruption had been a problem in the Democratic party since its founding, the activities of Tweed and his associates went far beyond the petty graft of his predecessors, and soon could not be ignored. The New York Times, then a Republican paper, began raising such impertinent questions as how Tweed could afford a town house on Fifth Avenue, an estate in Greenwich, all on his $2500 a year Street Commissioner's salary. Times cartoonist Thomas Nast mercilessly attacked Tweed in political cartoons. The Tweed scandals were a great blow to Tammany Hall, the Democratic Party, and more generally to the NYC. The City's home rule charter was quickly revoked and its ability to govern itself was hampered for the next sixty years. And Democratic reformers for the first time beat the machine. However the reform movement could never hold on to govern mainly because it came from two dramatically opposite factions 1. Wealthy businesses seeking to reduce taxes. 2. Social and labor reformers seeking to increase social services and business regulations.'


127 posted on 11/03/2004 7:03:51 PM PST by ChinaThreat
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To: M. Peach
No, not consciously at any point. I've always considered entitlements as bribery. Just hadn't (until recently) realized that it has such a scent of the slave collar as well.

Hmmm..Democrats - weren't those guys the ones who owned a bunch of slaves way back when?

Just sayin'.

128 posted on 11/03/2004 7:04:38 PM PST by Republicanus_Tyrannus
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To: ChinaThreat

Forgot to post the attribution for the snippit in my previous post.

http://www.midtownmedia.com/ndc/Civilwar.html


129 posted on 11/03/2004 7:05:03 PM PST by ChinaThreat
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To: Lizavetta

Not quite so ...
Make an ordered list of the states which net plus of their federal tax dollar, and it will (I suspect) strongly mesh with the percentage Bush won. That is the BLUE areas are the burdened dolers, the RED are the lighter burdened dolees.


130 posted on 11/03/2004 7:05:43 PM PST by bvw
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To: Axenolith
like the rime of scum around the water line of a seldom cleaned toilet. There they are fed off of government and rich prior attendees and patrons handouts.

And why do you think, Einstein, that one of the biggest groups of Freepers come from urban California?

131 posted on 11/03/2004 7:06:25 PM PST by BunnySlippers ("F" Stands for FLIP-FLOP ...)
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To: PattonReincarnated

LOL! You forgot to mention that damned rap music.


132 posted on 11/03/2004 7:06:42 PM PST by M. Peach (eschew obfuscation)
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To: M. Peach

Concentration of minorities and welfare whores.


133 posted on 11/03/2004 7:07:33 PM PST by TheBattman (Islam - the cult of Satan)
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To: truth_seeker
Thus democrats can be found in centers of low IQ.

They sure as hell don't think that. Check this reply I got on a mailing earlier today from one of the cogs. The arrogance and hubris is blood boiling. I shall thrash them mercilessly soon enough... BTW, my sister-in-law thinks like this too, and she's a TEACHER!!!

I must confess that I was always pessimistic about the chance of unseating Bush and the boys. I taught college for years, supposedly exposed to the more educated of the country, and I know that cause and effect relationships elude most people. I learned from my years teaching, that a large majority do not know how to look at evidence and draw conclusions. Simply put, you will never beat God and guns, feelings and faith, by presenting facts and analysis of situations. Rove knew that. Kerry and others didn't.

Keep on thinking. Regards from the Wavewidow


134 posted on 11/03/2004 7:07:39 PM PST by Axenolith (This space for rent.)
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To: DoughtyOne

Than you, DoughtyOne, for the most reasoned response!


135 posted on 11/03/2004 7:08:28 PM PST by BunnySlippers ("F" Stands for FLIP-FLOP ...)
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To: M. Peach

Democrats are basically lazy.


136 posted on 11/03/2004 7:08:32 PM PST by auboy (Bye bye Daschle, bye bye Kerry, you can go now, please don't tarry.)
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To: TChris

bump


137 posted on 11/03/2004 7:09:03 PM PST by foreverfree
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To: BunnySlippers

"Your theory is ignorant and just plain stupid."

BunnySlippers - I'm sure he was being facetious - you really couldn't take that comment seriously.


138 posted on 11/03/2004 7:09:46 PM PST by M. Peach (eschew obfuscation)
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To: johnandre

There's a lot MORE hard-working paycheck-to-paycheck regular folks in the cities than all those categories you listed combined, afaict.


139 posted on 11/03/2004 7:10:44 PM PST by bvw
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To: M. Peach
Why do urban centers vote Democrat, and rural Republican?

Reds crave independence.

Blues crave dependence.

140 posted on 11/03/2004 7:11:23 PM PST by Dont_Tread_On_Me_888 (John Kerry--three fake Purple Hearts. George Bush--one real heart of gold.)
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To: BunnySlippers

Thank you. I appreciate it.


141 posted on 11/03/2004 7:14:15 PM PST by DoughtyOne (US socialist liberalism would be dead without the help of politicians who claim to be conservatives)
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To: M. Peach
Easy answer most of the minorities (Blacks and Latios) are concentrated in large cities - and they vote overwhelmingly for the DUs
142 posted on 11/03/2004 7:14:34 PM PST by VRWCTexan (History has a long memory - but still repeats itself)
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To: M. Peach

There might be a mindset that drives people to the "big city" to "make a name for themselves". If someone is motivated by such a prejudice, they're going to be in a somewhat elitist mindset, wanting to differentiate themselves from us "hicks in the boondocks" in philosophy, morality etc.


143 posted on 11/03/2004 7:15:36 PM PST by Brett66 (Dan Rather, the most busted man in America.)
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To: M. Peach
I did not see the smilie. With all due respect, look at the responses you are getting. Onr VERY big over looked area is apparently people who are conservatives who live in urban areas.

I was approaching the subject with the intent of exploring the differences in red and blue areas. Some others join in to be obnixious.

144 posted on 11/03/2004 7:15:44 PM PST by BunnySlippers ("F" Stands for FLIP-FLOP ...)
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To: DoughtyOne

Thank you Doughtyone - well thought out and reasoned. I'll pass this on to my son.


145 posted on 11/03/2004 7:15:56 PM PST by M. Peach (eschew obfuscation)
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To: M. Peach

Urban residents don't know their neighbors. They are basically "me" people. Unlike rural folks who have strong social interactions usually over long periods of time with several generations of families.


146 posted on 11/03/2004 7:16:14 PM PST by TXBubba ( Democrats: If they don't abort you then they will tax you to death.)
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To: Vigilantcitizen
I have also heard quite a few times your post is the reason the founders came up with the electoral college. They knew the large metro areas would become socialist cesspools, and the college gives the rural areas, the lovers of freedom and independence, at least some influence over national elections.

It's a Red/Blue thang, proven again yesterday. And, it's why the flaming liberals would love to do away with it, and can't, because even small, liberal states won't give up that freedom. Brilliant.

147 posted on 11/03/2004 7:16:33 PM PST by FlyVet
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To: DoughtyOne
Living in the city, one is much more likley to become involved with the psychoanalysis community at some point in time.

Meaningless speculation.

If you want to meet really strange crazy people the most rural precincts are where to go. Outside day-to-day social experiences they are easier become estranged from what most accept as in the range of normal behavior.

Yet they don't see shrinks -- it's a long drive and the shrinks don't market well -- and concentrated market has more of any service provider, pumblers or shinks and folks using thereof.

148 posted on 11/03/2004 7:17:47 PM PST by bvw
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To: BunnySlippers
The combination of lead-based paint, toxic waste and pollution lead to a vast proportion of urban populations being brain damaged.

Oh, brilliant! You realize that one of the largest groups of Freepers is based in California ... the urban areas. I know as I have Freeped with them for years.

Your theory is ignorant and just plain stupid.

One of the side effects of lead poisoning is that it renders people without a sense of humor.

149 posted on 11/03/2004 7:18:06 PM PST by PattonReincarnated (They say only 10% of Muslims are extremists - that's only 100,000,000+ people)
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To: VRWCTexan

Why?


150 posted on 11/03/2004 7:18:54 PM PST by bvw
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