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Why do urban centers vote Democrat, and rural Republican?
11-03 | M. Peach

Posted on 11/03/2004 6:23:56 PM PST by M. Peach

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To: M. Peach

People who care about property rights get away from cities if they can.


51 posted on 11/03/2004 6:36:10 PM PST by Sloth ("Rather is TV's real-life Ted Baxter, without Baxter's quiet dignity." -- Ann Coulter)
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To: M. Peach

Because urban areas are largely populated by many people who are in many ways on the public dole, and also by uneducated people who fall for liberal "promises" of one sort or another. It's a maddening situation, but we are making some inroads here. It's also the reason why the electoral college exists, so a high density population center cannot dictate policy to rural areas.


52 posted on 11/03/2004 6:36:30 PM PST by yooper (If you don't know where you're going, any road will take you there......)
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To: M. Peach
Because Communists congregate in cities where they can control the rest of the country.

They know that if you get masses of asses in to a small area...they are easliy controlled and can be mad to be dependent on government for their survival.

They then work on controlling the center of government to control the rest of the country.

Country Boys can survive!!!!!!!!!

53 posted on 11/03/2004 6:36:58 PM PST by Radioactive
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To: M. Peach

The city dwellers look around them, and behold all that the taxpayer has bought for them; and they want more. Let's face it, city dwellers realize benefits far in excess to their individual tax burden.

They see the Billion dollar subway system, and they want it made new again. I mean, it only costs them 50 cents to ride; and they 'deserve' the best. It's Democrats who take the tax dollars, and spend it so the city dwellers can live in convenience and luxury. Do you think the farmers and people outside the city limits enjoy all that the mighty taxdollar has wrought.

The city dwellers see the handouts, the low income housing, the free clinics, food stores, new roads, sports stadiums; and then do the math. "Hey, I can use the stadium any time I want, and it's cheap for me" is as far as their train of thought will go. They never consider the fact that people on the other side of the state were taxed to build stadiums, airports, roads, free clinics, Planned Parenthood, malls and other things; that these people will neither ever use, or even be told of their existance.

Now, add to that the bums looking for handouts; the Unions who thrive in non-competitive city environments, the students brain-washed by liberal professors; and it all starts to make sense.


55 posted on 11/03/2004 6:38:17 PM PST by Hodar (With Rights, comes Responsibilities. Don't assume one, without assuming the other.)
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To: M. Peach
"Why do urban centers vote Democrat, and rural Republican?"

Two words: work ethic

56 posted on 11/03/2004 6:38:22 PM PST by fightu4it (conquest by immigration and subversion spells the end of US.)
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To: Ptarmigan
Houston doesn't vote republican (not the city itself). The previous mayor (before the current liberal mayor) was a black carpet bagger liberal democrat and he got elected. The outer suburbs are republican, but the city is democrat.
57 posted on 11/03/2004 6:38:54 PM PST by Hendrix
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To: M. Peach

Lefties love to be in charge of things, and there are TONS of things to be in charge of in big cities. That doesn't mean they are good at running all those things. They stink. But they don't care. They just loving have stuff to command. Have you ever worked with a lefty in an office? They work in the office like they would work in the Dept. of Crap and Junk. "Here, let me copy this for you." "Here, let me call for a staff meeting."

Idiots.

That's why I now work for myself and moved to Texas, where there is a ton of Red County land.


58 posted on 11/03/2004 6:39:13 PM PST by TheBigTown
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To: M. Peach
UNIONS. (Although just one factor.)

The big city trade unions indoctrinate the members into thinking that the union is their sole means of support and without the union, they would have no job. (And in some cities that is true - if you are a plumber, you are not going to work in Philly if you are not a union plumber.)

Then you have the government employee unions. The Democrats run the cities and since the unions are in bed with the RATS, it is a symbiotic relationship.

The union mentality is groupthink, and when the union leadership says "vote DemocRat", many of them do.

(I have a friend who is afraid to vote Republican because he thinks the union will find out he did. This is a grown man - and I'm not so sure he's not crazy. I've read stories about how unions check the voter rolls to make sure their members have registered with the "proper" party.)

59 posted on 11/03/2004 6:39:15 PM PST by Mannaggia l'America
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To: M. Peach

The rural areas are primarily homeowners. We feel the pinch when the gov't reaches into our pocket. Therefore, we desire a smaller, less intrusive gov't. The urban areas do not pay property taxes and usually get gov't handouts. They then tend to vote for the person who promises them everything. Its call redistribution of wealth or socialism.


60 posted on 11/03/2004 6:39:16 PM PST by 82Marine89
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To: formercalifornian

Actually I think it is that criminals tend to be demokrats.


61 posted on 11/03/2004 6:39:17 PM PST by ottothedog
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To: M. Peach
I refer to Alexander Tyler....

"A democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of government. It can only exist until the voters discover that they can vote themselves money from the public treasure. From that moment on the majority always votes for the candidates promising the most money from the public treasury, with the result that a democracy always collapses over loose fiscal policy followed by a dictatorship. The average age of the world's great civilizations has been two hundred years. These nations have progressed through the following sequence: from bondage to spiritual faith, from spiritual faith to great courage, from courage to liberty, from liberty to abundance, from abundance to selfishness, from selfishness to complacency from complacency to apathy, from apathy to dependency, from dependency back to bondage."

62 posted on 11/03/2004 6:39:36 PM PST by Vigilantcitizen (#40)
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To: Hendrix

"Houston doesn't vote republican (not the city itself). The previous mayor (before the current liberal mayor) was a black carpet bagger liberal democrat and he got elected. The outer suburbs are republican, but the city is democrat."

2 words. Sheila Jackson.


63 posted on 11/03/2004 6:39:49 PM PST by TypeZoNegative (Isn't it ironic that the spleen, most useless organ in our body is also on the left side of our body)
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To: faithincowboys

What is a "normal American"?


64 posted on 11/03/2004 6:40:03 PM PST by fuzzthatwuz (To question John Kerry is to question his patriotism)
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To: Republicanus_Tyrannus

Excellent mini-essay - did you steal any of this from Ann Coulter? This really makes sense.


65 posted on 11/03/2004 6:40:53 PM PST by M. Peach (eschew obfuscation)
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To: All

Urban areas originally spawned social welfare programs. Unfortunately, many consider the entitlement mentality to have evolved from these programs. Out in the rural areas, our forefathers weren't bickering or complaining that government owed them something. Problems were solved by hard work and little dependency on government (not to say that government has never helped).


66 posted on 11/03/2004 6:41:04 PM PST by NotADove (My heroes wear fatigues)
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To: M. Peach

I believe that cities provide the anonymity necessary to behave without personal accountability.

By contrast, in a small town, or suburb, people often know who you are, who your family is, where you work, etc.

In the city, you're just another face. Or... just another gay man, godless individual, foul-mouthed neanderthal, woman that has an abortion, etc... No one "judges you" because there is no "you." You are anonymous.

Take away accountability, and people tend to do whatever they want, creating a moral and ethical enviornment that is much different than that of smaller communities.

IMHO, of course.


67 posted on 11/03/2004 6:41:29 PM PST by ConservativeWarrior
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To: TypeZoNegative

The reason why I was at first liberal was because everybody around me was liberal, and if you were conservative, you were seen as some sort of "race traitor."

Now that I've grown up, paid taxes and have spent 5 years away from public schools, I've simply seen liberalism for the crock that it is.


68 posted on 11/03/2004 6:42:04 PM PST by TypeZoNegative (Isn't it ironic that the spleen, most useless organ in our body is also on the left side of our body)
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To: M. Peach
As someone born and raised in dirt poor rural central Missouri, lived since in Raleigh, Toledo, Phoenix, DFW and now in a very liberal pocket of New England...... this one is very easy.

Generally speaking (and stereotyping of course), the rural folk are raised in a largely self reliant atmosphere with very little need nor desire for government or social assistance.

The opposite is true in densely populated areas (whether urban high crime or not). Densely populated areas simply rely more on a higher degree of governmental "management" and support.

69 posted on 11/03/2004 6:42:20 PM PST by Lloyd227 (American Forces armed with what? Spit balls?)
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To: truth_seeker

What you write makes sense - I wonder if any study has been done pertaining to I.Q. and/or profession and how it correlates with one's choice of political parties?


70 posted on 11/03/2004 6:42:45 PM PST by M. Peach (eschew obfuscation)
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To: M. Peach
City living is surreal.
All thought processes are corrupted from birth ... the first sounds, sights, smells ... nothing is conducive to calm, logical thought.
survival is taught to be living and real living is portrayed as weird.

Insanity is the norm so it's easy to align with socialist ideology and rhetoric.

71 posted on 11/03/2004 6:42:55 PM PST by knarf (A place where anyone can learn anything ... especially that which promotes clear thinking.)
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To: M. Peach

Greater density and percentage of people who live off government largesse?


72 posted on 11/03/2004 6:43:09 PM PST by jejones
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To: M. Peach

Believe it or not, this is a serious answer to your question. A friend from New York explained it to me a couple of years ago. She said that, basically, because the city of New York is (without question) one of, if not THE, centers of commerce and culture in the world, New Yorkers are raised to believe that it is a very special place and they are very special people. As she said, "We are taught from the day we are born that we are better than other people anywhere". She is not flamboyant, so I believe she was telling me the truth. As to California, it is similar, but with a slightly different twist (I lived there for years, so I can speak to this). There is a definite, deeply ingrained idea that we are smarter because we had the brains to "come in from the cold weather", i.e. anywhere that has four seasons. Believe it or not.


73 posted on 11/03/2004 6:43:47 PM PST by hardworking
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To: M. Peach

Urban centers vote Democrat because they are filled with democrat leaning minorities (Blacks, Dominican/Puerto Rican Hispanics, Jews, Homosexuals, Irish Catholics).

In the areas of urban centers that are filled with ordinary middle class white Protestants and Italian/German/Polish Catholics, the vote looks just like in rural areas.

Think Staten Island, Northeast Philadelphia, parts of Cincinatti, etc.


74 posted on 11/03/2004 6:44:03 PM PST by Hermann the Cherusker
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To: M. Peach

Urbanites - get their nails manicured.
Ruralites (is that a word?) cut and haul cedar.

U - never see an animal either give birth or die
R - watch the entire life cycle and understand it, participate in it

U - families are distant things
R - families are who you eat dinner with Sunday after church

U - pay $150,000 for an apartment (guessing on that price)
R - pay $150,000 for 20 acres

Just my first thoughts, not really fleshed out.


75 posted on 11/03/2004 6:44:37 PM PST by Day Kay
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To: M. Peach
Generally speaking, most of our ancestors who had courage weren't afraid to be self-reliant and strike out on their own to settle new lands. Most of the people who stayed behind in the larger population groups did so because they were afraid of Indians, bears, bunny rabbits, fieldmice, etc.

Like generally begets like. The brave people who set out on their own into the wilderness usually raised brave offspring; those who were afraid to leave the safety of numbers usually raised cowards who were afraid of their own shadows.

76 posted on 11/03/2004 6:44:49 PM PST by jrewingjr (WWLAD - What Would Lee Atwater Do?)
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To: M. Peach
Hmm ...not sure. Born and raised in Los Angeles. I live in Hollywood and have for years ... work in the stockmarket for over 30 years. I know there is a wide rift of rich and poor. When I drive to work in the morning there are people who are asleep on the pavement on Sunset Blvd ... up the hill, huge homes.

There are a lot of gays who live in the neighborhood. I KNOW gays gravitate to urban high-pop areas for the anonymity. It's tough being gay in a little town.

There are lots and lots and lots and lots of immigrants here in L.A. Yeah, I'm sure that they are living with some public assistance. On the other hand they live around people who have a lot ... in Los Angeles there are people who have nice jobs and a lot of money and flaunt it.

So I think proximity of living, immigrants, poverty-wealth.

BTW, when I was 20 I joined Head Start and lived in a little town of 5,000 people in AZ working on the White River Apache Reservation. Very different. Life is different in small towns.

77 posted on 11/03/2004 6:44:51 PM PST by BunnySlippers ("F" Stands for FLIP-FLOP ...)
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To: M. Peach
Think about it this way… why do married couples move to the suburbs to raise children?
It is the same reason that you don’t bring a child to an R rated movie.
78 posted on 11/03/2004 6:44:52 PM PST by Heartlander
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To: ConservativeWarrior

"In the city, you're just another face. Or... just another gay man, godless individual, foul-mouthed neanderthal, woman that has an abortion, etc... No one "judges you" because there is no "you." You are anonymous. "

But you're not "Just another conservative." in the city. You're a 'Nazi", especially in Minneapolisgrad.


79 posted on 11/03/2004 6:44:53 PM PST by TypeZoNegative (Isn't it ironic that the spleen, most useless organ in our body is also on the left side of our body)
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To: M. Peach

I should add that in days of old before the blacks had moved north from the south, northern non-Irish filled cities were Republican.


80 posted on 11/03/2004 6:46:08 PM PST by Hermann the Cherusker
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To: M. Peach
Self-employed are more likely to be self-starters and are less likely to be on the union or city collective dole. They are also more likely to be republican and they are more likely to be successful as a result.
81 posted on 11/03/2004 6:46:53 PM PST by quantim (Victory is not relative, it is absolute.)
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To: M. Peach

anonymity in a crowd & acceptance among similar deviants...

the lunatic fringe are the overall minority yet a congregated majority


82 posted on 11/03/2004 6:47:06 PM PST by DBeers
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To: Hodar

Excellent essay - thank you.


83 posted on 11/03/2004 6:47:21 PM PST by M. Peach (eschew obfuscation)
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To: M. Peach
In psychology there is a principal called "learned helplessness". If you live in an urban area you are more dependent on others for your survival. In many big cities people can't even travel without a bus or a subway. Everything they need for life comes from someone else. They also tend not to own anything of substance like land or a home.
So they are susceptible to people who say they are going to help.
84 posted on 11/03/2004 6:47:25 PM PST by ProudVet77 (W stands for Winner)
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To: M. Peach

The real questions are:
Why did all the conservatives leave the cities? Simply to get away from the liberals. To get away from their rudeness and taxing government.

And, why didn't the liberals follow them? It is more expensive to live out side the cities, and the parasites cannot follow their hosts easily.


86 posted on 11/03/2004 6:48:17 PM PST by Born to Conserve
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To: mr_griz
Alternatively, maybe city folk are just all messed up. Why else would they opt to live in such cesspools to begin with?

Well, Griz, I can only speak for myself. But I was born and raised in Los Angeles ... since the 40's. And it is not a cess pool.

There are terrific advantages to living in a big city ... and a down side. As there are advantages and a down side to living a rural life.

87 posted on 11/03/2004 6:49:20 PM PST by BunnySlippers ("F" Stands for FLIP-FLOP ...)
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To: M. Peach

uh, black.


88 posted on 11/03/2004 6:49:50 PM PST by MrChips (ARD)
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To: M. Peach
Big cities contain the dims base, single women, gays, lesbians, government workers, union workers, blacks, Hispanics, and those on welfare.

No offense is meant here, just answering the question.

89 posted on 11/03/2004 6:49:56 PM PST by HoustonCurmudgeon (I early voted 18 Oct 2004 and took a car full with me.)
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To: Hermann the Cherusker

I've noticed an urban stereotype about small towns, that how small towns are bastions of racism. That's the exact opposite of what I've noticed when I travelled to small towns. When I travelled to a small town in rual Minnesota, I was shocked at how friendly the people were. It impressed me so much that now I'm thinking about moving to that town after I establish my buisness down in Florida.


90 posted on 11/03/2004 6:49:56 PM PST by TypeZoNegative (Isn't it ironic that the spleen, most useless organ in our body is also on the left side of our body)
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To: ottothedog
It is not "urban centers". It is high crime areas. :)

That is accurate. You'll note that urban and suburban areas that are well-kept and low crime are also generally Republican. Its the more run-down, crime-ridden areas that vote Democrat. And for good reason - its the laziest among us that look to others to provide for the needs that they don't wish to provide for themselves.

91 posted on 11/03/2004 6:50:06 PM PST by meyer (Our greatest opponent is a candidate called Complacency.)
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To: M. Peach

Urban areas are where all the Social Services are centralized......the base of the Democratic (Socialist / Communist) party.


92 posted on 11/03/2004 6:50:24 PM PST by Navydog
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To: M. Peach

Having lived, for years, in a rural area.....yet worked across the country in urban areas, it is my opinion that it can be summed up in one phrase.

Urban voters suffer from a type of faux-intellectual elitism.

And that translates into a type of "bleeding" for every type of "cause" they can create. They view themselves as "victims" on every level. And thus if THEY are victims, then of course everyone around them in their urban bubble, is a victim too. And if you view yourself as a victim...you want everyone to make it "all better" for you. In order to make it all better for you.....you have to make it "all better" for everyone else.

I see it as a self-perpetuating cycle of mutual victimhood that feeds on itself.


93 posted on 11/03/2004 6:50:49 PM PST by justshe (Become a monthly donor.....eliminate Freepathons!)
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To: SamAdams76
In contrast, people in urban areas are generally dependent on others for just about everything. They are not very self-sufficient. Most city folk I know can't even change a tire. They call AAA when they get a flat. They expect the government to plow their roads, fix their potholes and run city buses for transportation. Without these government services, they would be lost. So they respond favorably to politicians who promise more of this type of thing and they tend to vote against any politician that speaks of "cuts" and "downsizing" of government freebies.

I thin kyou may be onto something here. At the same time I am appalled at some of the absolutely ignorant comments I see on this thread!

94 posted on 11/03/2004 6:51:38 PM PST by BunnySlippers ("F" Stands for FLIP-FLOP ...)
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To: M. Peach
Blue big cities are where most of the parasites live, the ones who live off of the parasitic "hosts" that live out in the red areas.

Put another way, those of us in the red zone are the wagon pullers, and the blue zone denizens are the ones riding in the wagon. Oh yeah, and the guilt ridden 2nd & 3rd generation wagon owners, who are also blue, live in palaces in the blue zone, ruling over their parasite sheep-like subjects.

95 posted on 11/03/2004 6:51:50 PM PST by MCH
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To: M. Peach

Cities contain greater concentrations of "the entitled" who are bought off by the rats entitlement programs.


96 posted on 11/03/2004 6:51:56 PM PST by 6ppc (Pajamas are for wimps! Freep naked!)
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To: shaggy eel
I may find out why Iowa wasn't defined as Democrat or Republican in the run up to voting. I thought of it as midwest, a lot more rural than urban and wondered why it wasn't either Party's territory. Earlier today I saw the votes for Republican easily outweighed Democrat... but I'm still not sure why it couldn't be predicted sooner.

STILL hasn't been called on the Fox website!

97 posted on 11/03/2004 6:52:14 PM PST by PLK
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To: WineGuy

"Actually, what Murray and Hernstien said about IQs in urban areas is that they are higher than in less densely populated areas, not lower. You should have read that book more carefully before quoting it, but then, it was a big book."

I read it entirely, about nine years ago.

I was trying to be sarcastically funny, about democrats being low IQ. Actually I think democrats attract both the lowest and highest IQ (if same can be guaged by education).


98 posted on 11/03/2004 6:52:19 PM PST by truth_seeker
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To: M. Peach

Urban areas are heavily populated with people trying to get close to the center of government. They want the government to take care of them. Rural areas are populated with people who want to pave their own way, live their own way, worship their own way. They want the government to keep them safe, build some roads and keep their hands out of their pockets.


99 posted on 11/03/2004 6:52:48 PM PST by elizabetty
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To: M. Peach

Rural = self reliance, individualism, private property, broader experience, common sense

Urban = crowd thinking, gang mentality (us vs. them), survival instincts, community property, fight for yourself because nobody else cares


100 posted on 11/03/2004 6:52:58 PM PST by TChris (You keep using that word. I don't think it means what you think it means.)
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